Liberals assess 2016 race as Clinton weighs bid

Former first lady is getting elbowed by other members of her party
Associated Press
Jul 16, 2014

 

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren told a group of young Democrats Wednesday that the political system was "rigged" by powerful lobbyists and the wealthy and made an impassioned case for reducing burdensome student loans. Vice President Joe Biden said he had been on the front lines of debates over income inequality, climate change and gay marriage.

"I've been at the center of most progressive battles for a long, long time," Biden said, in a lengthy speech to Generation Progress. He heard shouts of "We love Joe," as he exited the stage.

Hillary Rodham Clinton remains the dominant figure in Democrats' early 2016 discussions but she is beginning to get elbowed by liberals in her party as she considers a second run for the presidency. Potential 2016 rivals like Biden, Warren and Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley are in the middle of a summertime tour of Democratic constituencies, frequently appealing to liberal activists who want a more populist approach to the economy and question the deporting of an influx of immigrant children from Central America.

Clinton, who dominates early 2016 polls, may avoid a significant primary challenge if she runs for president. Biden has kept all options open, Warren has repeatedly denied interest, while O'Malley promotes his record in Maryland as a model in the party and is actively exploring a campaign. But the jousting shows an interest in an alternative, and preparations in the event Clinton doesn't run.

"Ongoing current events give her potential opponents an opportunity to position themselves in contrast to her," said Democratic strategist Tom McMahon.

Biden, who will address the liberal Netroots Nation conference in Detroit later this week along with Warren, noted his role as a leading advocate for President Barack Obama's agenda in a wide-ranging speech that touched upon issues like domestic violence, voting rights and the problems of corrosive politics.

Biden said he's often referred to as "middle class Joe," telling the students that the economic bargain of years past had been broken and needed to be restored.

"Folks in the middle, they need to be cut into the deal, not cut out," Biden said. "The folks at the bottom need to know that they have the chance to climb the ladder."

Biden has maintained ties to the early voting states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina and projects a blue-collar image in contrast to the former first lady's recent stumbles over discussions of her family's wealth.

Warren has become a hero of the party's economic populists, railing against high student loan debt at a time when Clinton has received six-figure speaking fees on college campuses. She passes them along to her family's foundation.

In her speech, Warren detailed "how Washington is a rigged game" and said her bill to help students refinance their college loans at lower rates had been blocked by Senate Republicans and she cast blame on Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.

"Our voices matter and it's time to use them. Together that's how we make sure that our government works," Warren said.

Warren has turned into a go-to surrogate for Senate candidates, campaigning for Democrats in Oregon, Kentucky and West Virginia. She planned to raise money for Rep. Gary Peters, who is seeking Michigan's open Senate seat, during her trip to Detroit for Netroots Nation and was ending the week in Los Angeles at the National Council of La Raza, where immigration will be a leading topic.

O'Malley has made trips to Iowa and New Hampshire in the past month and notably distanced himself from both Clinton and Obama on the crisis along the Mexican border.

"We are not a country that should turn children away and send them back to certain death," O'Malley told reporters in Nashville, Tennessee, during a weekend meeting of the National Governors Association.

Clinton cited the need to reunite the children with their families but said during a CNN forum in June that the U.S. needed to "send a clear message: Just because your child gets across the border doesn't mean your child gets to stay."

During her book tour, Clinton has frequently cited the economic struggles of many Americans who have yet to partake in the recovery and pointed to the broad-based growth in jobs during her husband's two terms in the White House. In an interview with German news magazine Der Spiegel, Clinton said the work of Thomas Piketty, the economist and best-selling author, showed that income inequality was "threatening to democracy."

That message could help her connect with liberals, who have been wary of her ties to Wall Street and the corporate support of the Clinton Foundation. Liberals are closely watching how Clinton might frame an economic agenda in a potential presidential campaign.

"She has to figure out what's her message for a new American electorate: African-Americans, Hispanics, young people, women, all of whom are suffering," said Roger Hickey, co-director of the Campaign for America's Future.

 

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Darwin's choice

Big piece of sheet.

obama/dog failing

holysee

Darwin's choice
WED, 07/16/2014 - 9:45PM
Big piece of sheet.

obama/dog failing

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JACKEL
WED, 07/16/2014 - 10:11PM
They always say if you can't say anything good about someone, don't say anything !

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holysee
WED, 07/16/2014 - 11:01PM
The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.
Ronald Reagan
Say it isn't SO ronraygun!
Reagan IS STILL an incompentent culo viejo enojado

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KnuckleDragger
THU, 07/17/2014 - 7:06AM
Well, Reagan is often thought of as one of the most popular Presidents, while your messiah is down at the bottom of the heap with Jimmy Carter. Thank goodness school is almost back in session so we can finally be rid of your nonsensical garbage. Now back to your chores, I think I hear your mommy calling.

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holysee
THU, 07/17/2014 - 8:39AM
Nice try. Reagan IS STILL an incompentent culo viejo enojado.
Reagan is
"thought of" by nastolgic teabagging rupuglicans only.

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coasterfan
THU, 07/17/2014 - 12:15AM
We liberals are acutely aware that the gap between the richest 1% and the rest of us began to seriously ramp up during the Reagan years. It stuns us that he is seen by some today as a great President, since a decided majority certainly didn't think of him that way while he was in office, due to the huge Iran Contra Scandal (a REAL presidential scandal) and the Federal Deficit, which ballooned during his time in office.

It's perhaps understandable that a disillusioned Republican Party, who hasn't nominated a strong candidate in 20+ years, now seeks to inflate Reagan far past mythological proportions. Anything to distract us from the George W.Bush years, and the failed McCain & Romney campaigns, ya know?

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THU, 07/17/2014 - 2:57AM
***INCOMING BLATHER!***

1980 Election Results:
Reagan got 44/50 states, 489 electoral votes, and 50.8% of the pop. vote

1984 Election Results:
Reagan got 49/50 states, 525 electoral votes, and 58.8% of the pop.vote

But, you may say, "Iran-Contra occurred inside the second term!" To which you'd be correct.

However, when we look at this chart (http://int.danville.k12.pa.us/te...) it shows that after ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY for the actions, President Reagan didn't even dip to his lowest point in his entire time as President. When he left office, he was around 55% "approved" which is only about 5% under when he was first elected.

So I fail to see where this "decided majority" exists. It appears that for perhaps 2-3 years of his 8 he was under 50%. Look coasterfan, I have no clue why you as a teacher have an absolute phobia of posting citations or trying to back up your painfully partisan points. I also feel terrible that I, a mere upstart youth, have to correct a former teacher of the year and perhaps come across as patronizing to an elder (who on some other things I agree).

But I can't just let your unsupported claims go, especially not as someone who once held a position of trust and guidance over young minds.

Tell me, coaster, would we EVER see a speech like this come from our current President? - http://youtu.be/R67CH-qhXJs (This is how a President takes responsibility for the things that have happened on his watch.)

Flash forward with me to our current President. One who hasn't had a 50%+ approval rating for five of his six years served with two more to go. I wonder, then, where the decided majority lies?

Oh I'll agree with you that the Republicans put up horrendous candidates. They're getting theirs, I assure you. But there is no comparison especially, ESPECIALLY, because for as much as "you liberals" are aware of the "1%" it would seem that the trend you claim started under Reagan (you know, pulling us out of the poo-hole we were in before with Carter #justsayin) has only flourished and thrived under both separate and simultaneous liberal-majority Congresses and Presidencies. Feel free to add in a "no thanks to Republicans" if you wish. I'll poke my head out the window and see if that changes anything.

Let's not constrain the deficit AND debt both increasing while this so-called "1%" also flourishes.

Now correct me if I'm wrong (http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/) because I don't usually cite my sources, but it would seem that 7/10 top-ten-richest members of Congress are "we liberals".

At least in 2012 numbers, here you go: http://ballotpedia.org/Net_worth...

I suppose one must be judged on intentions and feelings, and not actual results? After all, our President signed a rollback of the STOCK Act provisions last year (http://www.opensecrets.org/news/...) that help to hide more information from the public especially when it comes to insider trading. If you bothered to look at any of the previous financial charts, you'll see that real estate and investments are (except trusts mostly for D elected persons) seem to be the largest sources of income in their portfolios.

I can only wonder how it feels for you to wrap yourself in these blankets and just ignore anything that you don't personally think is right, relevant, or factual. I will credit you this, you certainly don't flinch when you plunge your political knife into someone. You stare at them straight in the eyes, smiling, and whisper, "I'm just trying to help you." as the honey you pour in their ears displaces the blood (money) seeping from their wounds.

You are welcome to point out Republican shenanigans all you want, but don't you dare suppose that Democrats are any better nor any less hypocritical of what they do compared to what they say.

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Now that that is over, I'd like to ask you where you got the solar panel for your Prius as I'd be interested in looking at getting one for mine. Thank you.

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KnuckleDragger
THU, 07/17/2014 - 7:15AM
LOL. For a teacher Coaster sure is ignorant. Don't expect a response from him. When confronted with facts he usually clams up and moves on to some other nonsensical blather. Until he removes the obamaprobe from his backside he is not likely to respond to facts.

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Darwin's choice
THU, 07/17/2014 - 8:01AM
Coasterfan is just another democrat azzhole troll.

Think about what you've said, he taunts, twists, blatantly lies, and makes fairy tale references to some almighty democrat kingdom.

He's nothing more that a paid puppet, just like obama.

obama/coaster/fail

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Darwin's choice
THU, 07/17/2014 - 8:01AM
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Contango
THU, 07/17/2014 - 8:15AM
Reminds me of the ol' bankrupt and defunct "Air America."

I used to listen occasionally and HOPE for some 'intelligent' liberal discussion and viewpoints.

Inevitably after a couple of minutes, pretty much regardless of topic, the hosts and their guests would descend to a conclusion with something like: Can we all agree that it's Bush's fault?

Mindless chatter, not unlike what spews from the above progressive-socialist.

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Contango
THU, 07/17/2014 - 6:43AM
Re: "Reagan years."

Off-topic (per usual), however:

H*ll, EVERYONE was goin' broke during the Carter malaise which is why he got creamed at the polls.

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holysee
THU, 07/17/2014 - 8:40AM
Show some evidence.

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KnuckleDragger
THU, 07/17/2014 - 7:12AM
RE: 1%. You should be acutely aware because most of the 10 richest members of Congress are liberals. That's part of the reason that liberals only give lip service and do nothing. You are naive if you think the liberals in government have an altruistic bone in their collective bodies. Nonetheless things aren't looking good for the dems to regain control of the house, as well it appears that they will lose control of the Senate. Can't wait to see both you and the mutt melt down again.

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Contango
THU, 07/17/2014 - 7:23AM
Re: "altruistic bone in their collective bodies,"

Did you see this one?

"Workers struggle in Hamptons, playground for rich":

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

Four of the five districts are represented by Dems.

How's the construction of that affordable housing coming? NIMBY perhaps?

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THU, 07/17/2014 - 4:05AM
"Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren told a group of young Democrats Wednesday that the political system was 'rigged'..."

"...they need to be cut into the deal, not cut out,..."

"She has to figure out what's her message for a new American electorate: African-Americans, Hispanics, young people, women, all of whom are suffering,"

So this is what to expect from Democratic candidates? Rigged systems, different messages/"promises" to different people based not on common humanity but gender or skin color? Ladies and gentlemen, this is garbage. Pure, hot garbage. Every single quote is divisive. What's worse is those who are open to it are allowing someone else to tell them they aren't as good as the person next to them!

Are you a woman? Well, apparently all that matters to you is free birth control. Are you of Hispanic descent? The only thing you care about is letting illegal immigrants into the country. Are you black? Well you're just screwed because supposedly after fifty plus years of "fairness" nothing seems to have actually gotten fairer. But vote for them because next time they'll give you whatever you want. Five more minutes of recess and chocolate milk on Fridays.

Despicable.

Oh and Republicans? The same ones who can only parrot "no Obamacare, no Obamacare" while doing nothing about it? The same party who wants to involve the JUDICIAL BRANCH unnecessarily between the legislative and executive ones?! The needling, immoral campaigners in Kentucky and Mississippi who use the same tactics they decry their Democratic opponents use only against fresh blood? The same ones who are so anti-government that they tell their constituents that if they don't vote the [establishment] Republican incumbent in that their state's piece of the pie is threatened?!

Whether holysee realizes it or not, his jester simulation touched upon one of the best political speeches of the current times. A speech that doesn't divide the population. A speech that doesn't treat blacks differently than whites, men differently than women. A speech that actually tries to unify the population by illustrating a common purpose against a small number of people who think they're better than you.

Those same people - benevolent masterminds - who will tell you who to hate. Who hates you. THEY will tell YOU how you live and that you are poor or insufficient by their measures. That THEIR system is rigged against you because you are too stupid to do any damn thing yourself! You just have to trust them to fix it...

"A Time for Choosing" (transcript: http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/arc...)

YouTube: http://youtu.be/qXBswFfh6AY

Let me expand only a bit on holysee's quote, only a portion of this powerful speech as chronicled above (and second possibly to his first Inauguration Speech: http://youtu.be/LToM9bAnsyM)

"This is the issue of this election: Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capitol can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.

You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between a left or right. Well I'd like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There's only an up or down—[up] man's old—old-aged dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. And regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course.

In this vote-harvesting time, they use terms like the "Great Society," or as we were told a few days ago by the President, we must accept a greater government activity in the affairs of the people. But they've been a little more explicit in the past and among themselves; and all of the things I now will quote have appeared in print. These are not Republican accusations. For example, they have voices that say, "The cold war will end through our acceptance of a not undemocratic socialism." Another voice says, "The profit motive has become outmoded. It must be replaced by the incentives of the welfare state." Or, "Our traditional system of individual freedom is incapable of solving the complex problems of the 20th century." Senator Fullbright has said at Stanford University that the Constitution is outmoded. He referred to the President as "our moral teacher and our leader," and he says he is "hobbled in his task by the restrictions of power imposed on him by this antiquated document." He must "be freed," so that he "can do for us" what he knows "is best." And Senator Clark of Pennsylvania, another articulate spokesman, defines liberalism as "meeting the material needs of the masses through the full power of centralized government."

Well, I, for one, resent it when a representative of the people refers to you and me, the free men and women of this country, as "the masses." This is a term we haven't applied to ourselves in America. But beyond that, "the full power of centralized government"—this was the very thing the Founding Fathers sought to minimize. They knew that governments don't control things. A government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they know when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. They also knew, those Founding Fathers, that outside of its legitimate functions, government does nothing as well or as economically as the private sector of the economy."

Why can't we have, D/R/L or I, someone as articulate and impassioned as this? Someone who wants to empower YOU to live YOUR life and not seek to control or have you wait for someone else to do something with it? Someone who wants you to be inspired by your country and the wisdom of its Founding in the Enlightenment?

Instead...instead we have the garbage in the article above and none better from most Republicans. As a young person I am very saddened and disappointed.

P.S. - Here's the transcript to the inauguration address: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/w...

I'd challenge you all to read or watch this and see just how eternal these words are, almost as an eerie omen of today.

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sugar
THU, 07/17/2014 - 6:33AM
Yes Hero Zone we are all waiting for that one inspiring person. It would be wonderful for 2016. I don't see it coming from the right and what the left has to offer is "it's her turn".

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Contango
THU, 07/17/2014 - 6:53AM
Last night I saw a commercial for a new TV series entitled "Madam Secretary," with a blonde haired Tea Leoni.

(Interestingly, she was formerly married to a satyr.)

On the surface it certainly looks like subtle campaign propaganda.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3501...

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KnuckleDragger
THU, 07/17/2014 - 7:02AM
I hope she runs. With all the dirt on her she isn't likely to win. Funny how she is now trying to distance herself from Obama. Even she is smart enough to know that if she wants to make a Presidential run that she needs to get as far removed from the most unpopular President since WWII as possible. Being tied in any way to Obama is likely to equal failure in 2016.

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worddrow811
THU, 07/17/2014 - 8:39AM
Black black black black black! the separation of races by color description is WRONG on so many levels that it threatens the unity of our country if there is any unity left.

We are all of the human race and until the politicians focus on that, Barney, the dinosaur, may as well be president because no one is being effective in reuniting our American citizens of any heritage.

Africans, Hispanics, Germans, English, Japanese, Chinese, French or whatever all have the same body parts. We can change if we want to and I want to know why some of them don't want the same things for children?

Hillary will make a better president than any man out there and we should give her the chance to prove it. I think the men are all cowards and afraid of her because they know she is the best person for the job.

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Darwin's choice

"hillary will make a better president than any man out there and we should give the chance to prove it"

Absolute proof you're the biggest moron in the State of Ohio.

obama/failing

KnuckleDragger

Liberal guilt. First they had to prove they weren't racist (despite the overwhelming history to the contrary for democrats), now they have to prove they aren't sexist. Next go around they will have to prove they aren't homophobic by trying to elect the first transgendered President.

worddrow811

You need to look at the three fingers pointing at you when you call anyone names. your male insecurity is showing big time.

jazzbo

It's not a male.

JACKEL

They always say if you can't say anything good about someone, don't say anything !

holysee

The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.
Ronald Reagan
Say it isn't SO ronraygun!
Reagan IS STILL an incompentent culo viejo enojado

KnuckleDragger

Well, Reagan is often thought of as one of the most popular Presidents, while your messiah is down at the bottom of the heap with Jimmy Carter. Thank goodness school is almost back in session so we can finally be rid of your nonsensical garbage. Now back to your chores, I think I hear your mommy calling.

holysee

Nice try. Reagan IS STILL an incompentent culo viejo enojado.
Reagan is
"thought of" by nastolgic teabagging rupuglicans only.

KnuckleDragger

Really? Are you like 12? Nice try using Spanish to get past moderation. I will take it that since all you can do is name call that you have no proof of your assertion.

coasterfan

We liberals are acutely aware that the gap between the richest 1% and the rest of us began to seriously ramp up during the Reagan years. It stuns us that he is seen by some today as a great President, since a decided majority certainly didn't think of him that way while he was in office, due to the huge Iran Contra Scandal (a REAL presidential scandal) and the Federal Deficit, which ballooned during his time in office.

It's perhaps understandable that a disillusioned Republican Party, who hasn't nominated a strong candidate in 20+ years, now seeks to inflate Reagan far past mythological proportions. Anything to distract us from the George W.Bush years, and the failed McCain & Romney campaigns, ya know?

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***INCOMING BLATHER!***

1980 Election Results:
Reagan got 44/50 states, 489 electoral votes, and 50.8% of the pop. vote

1984 Election Results:
Reagan got 49/50 states, 525 electoral votes, and 58.8% of the pop.vote

But, you may say, "Iran-Contra occurred inside the second term!" To which you'd be correct.

However, when we look at this chart (http://int.danville.k12.pa.us/te...) it shows that after ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY for the actions, President Reagan didn't even dip to his lowest point in his entire time as President. When he left office, he was around 55% "approved" which is only about 5% under when he was first elected.

So I fail to see where this "decided majority" exists. It appears that for perhaps 2-3 years of his 8 he was under 50%. Look coasterfan, I have no clue why you as a teacher have an absolute phobia of posting citations or trying to back up your painfully partisan points. I also feel terrible that I, a mere upstart youth, have to correct a former teacher of the year and perhaps come across as patronizing to an elder (who on some other things I agree).

But I can't just let your unsupported claims go, especially not as someone who once held a position of trust and guidance over young minds.

Tell me, coaster, would we EVER see a speech like this come from our current President? - http://youtu.be/R67CH-qhXJs (This is how a President takes responsibility for the things that have happened on his watch.)

Flash forward with me to our current President. One who hasn't had a 50%+ approval rating for five of his six years served with two more to go. I wonder, then, where the decided majority lies?

Oh I'll agree with you that the Republicans put up horrendous candidates. They're getting theirs, I assure you. But there is no comparison especially, ESPECIALLY, because for as much as "you liberals" are aware of the "1%" it would seem that the trend you claim started under Reagan (you know, pulling us out of the poo-hole we were in before with Carter #justsayin) has only flourished and thrived under both separate and simultaneous liberal-majority Congresses and Presidencies. Feel free to add in a "no thanks to Republicans" if you wish. I'll poke my head out the window and see if that changes anything.

Let's not constrain the deficit AND debt both increasing while this so-called "1%" also flourishes.

Now correct me if I'm wrong (http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/) because I don't usually cite my sources, but it would seem that 7/10 top-ten-richest members of Congress are "we liberals".

At least in 2012 numbers, here you go: http://ballotpedia.org/Net_worth...

I suppose one must be judged on intentions and feelings, and not actual results? After all, our President signed a rollback of the STOCK Act provisions last year (http://www.opensecrets.org/news/...) that help to hide more information from the public especially when it comes to insider trading. If you bothered to look at any of the previous financial charts, you'll see that real estate and investments are (except trusts mostly for D elected persons) seem to be the largest sources of income in their portfolios.

I can only wonder how it feels for you to wrap yourself in these blankets and just ignore anything that you don't personally think is right, relevant, or factual. I will credit you this, you certainly don't flinch when you plunge your political knife into someone. You stare at them straight in the eyes, smiling, and whisper, "I'm just trying to help you." as the honey you pour in their ears displaces the blood (money) seeping from their wounds.

You are welcome to point out Republican shenanigans all you want, but don't you dare suppose that Democrats are any better nor any less hypocritical of what they do compared to what they say.

- - - - -

Now that that is over, I'd like to ask you where you got the solar panel for your Prius as I'd be interested in looking at getting one for mine. Thank you.

KnuckleDragger

LOL. For a teacher Coaster sure is ignorant. Don't expect a response from him. When confronted with facts he usually clams up and moves on to some other nonsensical blather. Until he removes the obamaprobe from his backside he is not likely to respond to facts.

jazzbo

KnuckleNutz , you are really dishonest.

Coaster doesn't clam up and dodge. He always gives clear and thoughtful answers ...unlike you and your ilk.

So , did you do are real good job polishing the 10th Mountain Division's boots ? Did you lick em ? I hope they put a few of them up your ass.
They didn't find WMD's now , did they ?
Funny how you clammed up and didn't respond.

sugar

You NEVER offer anything jazz I but ignorant childish insults. Are you an adult? No doubt you are the liberal version of an adult.

jazzbo

Ef - you.

Darwin's choice

queer.

KnuckleDragger

^^I think this pretty much proves your point sugar. Apparently his mom isn't doing a very good job of monitoring his internet usage.

The Big Dog's back

You have nothing knucklehead. Just your same old right wingnut bullspit.

KnuckleDragger

Another 12 year old with no proof of anything, only insults. Apparently his mommy isn't doing her job either. Nice crack on my 21 years of military service. Since you can't ever seem to offer up any proof to your assertions, I'm not going to bother posting the numerous reports of both WMDs and evidence of WMD production that are easily found with some research. So now you bring up the 10th mountain division when just a short time ago you had to be told that there was no such division as the 101st mountain division? Whatever jizzbo, you're a moron.

The Big Dog's back

You didn't have 21 years of military service you liar.

KnuckleDragger

That's all ya got? Pathetic. Loser.

jazzbo

@ KnuckleNutz

"I'm not going to bother posting the numerous reports of both WMDs and evidence of WMD production that are easily found with some research."

-- Just post one... I dare you... give me just ONE link...I DARE you!

PS

And don't think I haven't noticed your attempts to qualify your statements.

jazzbo

@ KnuckleNutz -

I knew you had nothing to support your claims.
All you had to do is give just ONE support link.
Youre a liar and a phony.

21 years in the service -- another lie.

"I will take it that since all you can do is name call that you have no proof of your assertion."
-- Eat it.

The Big Dog's back

I'm so sick of you right wingnuts and all of your crap. Be a man and think for yourself.

KnuckleDragger

This from the man who let's the democrat party think for him.

Darwin's choice

Coasterfan is just another democrat azzhole troll.

Think about what you've said, he taunts, twists, blatantly lies, and makes fairy tale references to some almighty democrat kingdom.

He's nothing more that a paid puppet, just like obama.

obama/coaster/fail

Darwin's choice

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Contango

Reminds me of the ol' bankrupt and defunct "Air America."

I used to listen occasionally and HOPE for some 'intelligent' liberal discussion and viewpoints.

Inevitably after a couple of minutes, pretty much regardless of topic, the hosts and their guests would descend to a conclusion with something like: Can we all agree that it's Bush's fault?

Mindless chatter, not unlike what spews from the above progressive-socialist.

meowmix

Air America was actually alot like the Stephanie Miller show---based largely on humor. Unlike Beck/Limbag etal. Also, Air America and S. Miller wasn't/isn't afraid to allow conservative callers on the air--unlike the B & L. I've been lucky enough to hear TWICE- liberal callers who somehow managed to squeak past the Limbag screener and I swear, the SOB stammered and got so PO'ed I thought he was going to explode and ooze out my radio.

Got a reply to that Contango because you know it is the truth!

sugar

Squeeze past? Snerdley let's them in. Rush rips them to shreds, I love when libs are on! Funny as he**!

Contango

Re: "---based largely on humor,"

If so, it was sophomoric, uninteresting and a costly failure.

So the message of progressivism is best expressed as humor?

You may be correct; it IS a joke.

The Big Dog's back

It's true that Reagan is popular more than two decades after leaving office. A CNN/Opinion Research poll last month gave him the third-highest approval rating among presidents of the past 50 years, behind John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton. But Reagan's average approval rating during the eight years that he was in office was nothing spectacular - 52.8 percent, according to Gallup. That places the 40th president not just behind Kennedy, Clinton and Dwight Eisenhower, but also Lyndon Johnson and George H.W. Bush, neither of whom are talked up as candidates for Mount Rushmore.

KnuckleDragger

But miles ahead of your messiah who will likely end up at the bottom. Maybe the Dems can have him put on Mount Rushmore...you know, to prove they aren't racist?

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What Big Dog fails to, again, do is cite the source of his copy/paste. Since I'm a nice guy I'll do it for him: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...

I presume he didn't mean to cherry pick a three year old poll that references "last month" and then go on to note even cite what he blatantly ripped off it to present as if it were his own AND current.

P.S. - This article is from February 4, 2011.

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So what?

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It's both disingenuous to not cite your source (trying to pass as your own?) as well as try to deceive readers with a snapshot poll in which "last month" was 42 months ago.

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hz, do you want a medal? OK, you can be teacher's pet for the day. And wow, you can look things up. Happy, happy, joy, joy.

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I don't want a medal, I want you to cite your sources and provide context for the things you say. Also I have to be good at looking things up because of all the misinformation out there as well as biased or dishonest disseminators of said info. Teacher's pets are yes men, I am hardly such an entity.

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Whatever.

Contango

Re: "Reagan years."

Off-topic (per usual), however:

H*ll, EVERYONE was goin' broke during the Carter malaise which is why he got creamed at the polls.

holysee

Show some evidence.

KnuckleDragger

Why don't you? Oops that's right, you can't.

Contango

Re: "evidence."

Gov. Reagan - 51%

Pres. Carter - 41%

Quite a shellacking politically for a sitting pres.

So why'd voters throw Pres. Carter out of office?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uni...

sugar

Evidence of Carter hell? I lived it, layoffs, gas lines, interest rates at 16%, I can't forget.

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The biggest reason Carter lost was because of the Iran hostage crisis. And low and behold raygun and his ilk were secretly negotiating illegally with terrorists. And it wouldn't be the last time raygun negotiated with terrorists.

Contango

Re: "Iran hostage crisis,"

That and the crummy U.S. economy.

Bright guy, lousy president.

anthras

Bdog says"The biggest reason Carter lost was because of the Iran hostage crisis. And low and behold raygun and his ilk were secretly negotiating illegally with terrorists. And it wouldn't be the last time raygun negotiated with terrorists.

Please show the proof of what you are saying.

Actually the reason I did not vote for double digit Jimmy is because of double digit unemployment, double digit inflation and double digit interest rates.

KnuckleDragger

RE: 1%. You should be acutely aware because most of the 10 richest members of Congress are liberals. That's part of the reason that liberals only give lip service and do nothing. You are naive if you think the liberals in government have an altruistic bone in their collective bodies. Nonetheless things aren't looking good for the dems to regain control of the house, as well it appears that they will lose control of the Senate. Can't wait to see both you and the mutt melt down again.

Contango

Re: "altruistic bone in their collective bodies,"

Did you see this one?

"Workers struggle in Hamptons, playground for rich":

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

Four of the five districts are represented by Dems.

How's the construction of that affordable housing coming? NIMBY perhaps?

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The top 2 richest members of Congress are Repubs. Out of the top 20 they are split 10 and 10. What's your point?

Contango

Re: "The top 2 richest members of Congress are Repubs."

So what? 7 out of the 10 richest are Dems - meaning the majority of the top 20 are Repubs and POORER.

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So what deuce pooh. So what.

Contango

Re: "So what."

Hypocrisy blather dog, hypocrisy.

Shouldn't 'rich Dem' be an oxymoron?

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"Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren told a group of young Democrats Wednesday that the political system was 'rigged'..."

"...they need to be cut into the deal, not cut out,..."

"She has to figure out what's her message for a new American electorate: African-Americans, Hispanics, young people, women, all of whom are suffering,"

So this is what to expect from Democratic candidates? Rigged systems, different messages/"promises" to different people based not on common humanity but gender or skin color? Ladies and gentlemen, this is garbage. Pure, hot garbage. Every single quote is divisive. What's worse is those who are open to it are allowing someone else to tell them they aren't as good as the person next to them!

Are you a woman? Well, apparently all that matters to you is free birth control. Are you of Hispanic descent? The only thing you care about is letting illegal immigrants into the country. Are you black? Well you're just screwed because supposedly after fifty plus years of "fairness" nothing seems to have actually gotten fairer. But vote for them because next time they'll give you whatever you want. Five more minutes of recess and chocolate milk on Fridays.

Despicable.

Oh and Republicans? The same ones who can only parrot "no Obamacare, no Obamacare" while doing nothing about it? The same party who wants to involve the JUDICIAL BRANCH unnecessarily between the legislative and executive ones?! The needling, immoral campaigners in Kentucky and Mississippi who use the same tactics they decry their Democratic opponents use only against fresh blood? The same ones who are so anti-government that they tell their constituents that if they don't vote the [establishment] Republican incumbent in that their state's piece of the pie is threatened?!

Whether holysee realizes it or not, his jester simulation touched upon one of the best political speeches of the current times. A speech that doesn't divide the population. A speech that doesn't treat blacks differently than whites, men differently than women. A speech that actually tries to unify the population by illustrating a common purpose against a small number of people who think they're better than you.

Those same people - benevolent masterminds - who will tell you who to hate. Who hates you. THEY will tell YOU how you live and that you are poor or insufficient by their measures. That THEIR system is rigged against you because you are too stupid to do any damn thing yourself! You just have to trust them to fix it...

"A Time for Choosing" (transcript: http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/arc...)

YouTube: http://youtu.be/qXBswFfh6AY

Let me expand only a bit on holysee's quote, only a portion of this powerful speech as chronicled above (and second possibly to his first Inauguration Speech: http://youtu.be/LToM9bAnsyM)

"This is the issue of this election: Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capitol can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.

You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between a left or right. Well I'd like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There's only an up or down—[up] man's old—old-aged dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. And regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course.

In this vote-harvesting time, they use terms like the "Great Society," or as we were told a few days ago by the President, we must accept a greater government activity in the affairs of the people. But they've been a little more explicit in the past and among themselves; and all of the things I now will quote have appeared in print. These are not Republican accusations. For example, they have voices that say, "The cold war will end through our acceptance of a not undemocratic socialism." Another voice says, "The profit motive has become outmoded. It must be replaced by the incentives of the welfare state." Or, "Our traditional system of individual freedom is incapable of solving the complex problems of the 20th century." Senator Fullbright has said at Stanford University that the Constitution is outmoded. He referred to the President as "our moral teacher and our leader," and he says he is "hobbled in his task by the restrictions of power imposed on him by this antiquated document." He must "be freed," so that he "can do for us" what he knows "is best." And Senator Clark of Pennsylvania, another articulate spokesman, defines liberalism as "meeting the material needs of the masses through the full power of centralized government."

Well, I, for one, resent it when a representative of the people refers to you and me, the free men and women of this country, as "the masses." This is a term we haven't applied to ourselves in America. But beyond that, "the full power of centralized government"—this was the very thing the Founding Fathers sought to minimize. They knew that governments don't control things. A government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they know when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. They also knew, those Founding Fathers, that outside of its legitimate functions, government does nothing as well or as economically as the private sector of the economy."

Why can't we have, D/R/L or I, someone as articulate and impassioned as this? Someone who wants to empower YOU to live YOUR life and not seek to control or have you wait for someone else to do something with it? Someone who wants you to be inspired by your country and the wisdom of its Founding in the Enlightenment?

Instead...instead we have the garbage in the article above and none better from most Republicans. As a young person I am very saddened and disappointed.

P.S. - Here's the transcript to the inauguration address: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/w...

I'd challenge you all to read or watch this and see just how eternal these words are, almost as an eerie omen of today.

sugar

Yes Hero Zone we are all waiting for that one inspiring person. It would be wonderful for 2016. I don't see it coming from the right and what the left has to offer is "it's her turn".

anthras

Re:"Yes Hero Zone we are all waiting for that one inspiring person. It would be wonderful for 2016. I don't see it coming from the right and what the left has to offer is "it's her turn".

You might want to read a little about Dr Ben Carson he does seem different than a lifetime politician. Very intelligent and sincere he also does offer his opinion of things to do in lieu of just criticizing others. Better yet you may wish to read his book "America the Beautiful"

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I thought you Repubs wanted a Professional President?

KnuckleDragger

You sir are a racist.

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I did get and read his latest book. However he has yet to make an announcement on running and I'm not getting sucked into sensational non-candidate support like certain other people. I can hope he'd win, but he can't win a race in which he isn't running.

Contango

Last night I saw a commercial for a new TV series entitled "Madam Secretary," with a blonde haired Tea Leoni.

(Interestingly, she was formerly married to a sex addict.)

On the surface it certainly looks like subtle campaign propaganda.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3501...

KnuckleDragger

I hope she runs. With all the dirt on her she isn't likely to win. Funny how she is now trying to distance herself from Obama. Even she is smart enough to know that if she wants to make a Presidential run that she needs to get as far removed from the most unpopular President since WWII as possible. Being tied in any way to Obama is likely to equal failure in 2016.

worddrow811

Black black black black black! the separation of races by color description is WRONG on so many levels that it threatens the unity of our country if there is any unity left.

We are all of the human race and until the politicians focus on that, Barney, the dinosaur, may as well be president because no one is being effective in reuniting our American citizens of any heritage.

Africans, Hispanics, Germans, English, Japanese, Chinese, French or whatever all have the same body parts. We can change if we want to and I want to know why some of them don't want the same things for children?

Hillary will make a better president than any man out there and we should give her the chance to prove it. I think the men are all cowards and afraid of her because they know she is the best person for the job.

KnuckleDragger

You should join some of the online groups I'm in. You would be surprised at the number of people of all races and ethnicities that are starting to wake up and see exactly what the two major parties are trying to do. The few imbeciles on here that keep pulling the race card are in the minority, they've not yet awoken.

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"Race card"? Spoken by a true racist.

deertracker

True!

KnuckleDragger

How's it feel spending your day attached to the little mutts nuts?

KnuckleDragger

Really? Read your comments on Ben Carson. I see you decided to sign in with your alter ego deerturd to agree with yourself.

deertracker

What are you talking about? Dr. Carson said he is not interested in running. You guys really aren't interested in another Black President. You idiots are so transparent.

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Yes they are. They think they are the smartest in the room. They don't know jack.

KnuckleDragger

Actually, like most Americans we just aren't that interested in the failure if a President we have now.

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Deer, speaking for myself I'm not interested in a black President. I'm not interested in a woman President. I'm not interested in a white Episocpal male President nor a Jewish, Asian, or Mormon President.

I am interested in a President who will serve the solemn office as the Commander-in-Chief, promote communication and dignity to all people (even those that don't vote for him/her), and is willing to place fundraisers for political parties aside en lieu of using the station afforded to him/her to regrow respect back for our Federal government within our country and among the other countries on the global stage.

Pigmentation, genitalia, and/or epicanthic fold are irrelevant to me.

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We have one now hz. What's your point?

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Who might that be? My point was rather clear and made in a record four or less paragraphs.

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Obama. You don't like him because he doesn't believe in your right wing nuttism? I didn't know that he was suppose to espouse right wingnuttism.

jazzbo

That is a problem.

You are ok if you accept right wing nuttism.

You are not ok if you don't accept right wing nuttism.

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Either of you are welcome to point out which of my views are "nutty".

holysee

Darwin's choice
WED, 07/16/2014 - 9:45PM
Big piece of sheet.

obama/dog failing

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JACKEL
WED, 07/16/2014 - 10:11PM
They always say if you can't say anything good about someone, don't say anything !

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holysee
WED, 07/16/2014 - 11:01PM
The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.
Ronald Reagan
Say it isn't SO ronraygun!
Reagan IS STILL an incompentent culo viejo enojado

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THU, 07/17/2014 - 7:06AM
Well, Reagan is often thought of as one of the most popular Presidents, while your messiah is down at the bottom of the heap with Jimmy Carter. Thank goodness school is almost back in session so we can finally be rid of your nonsensical garbage. Now back to your chores, I think I hear your mommy calling.

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holysee
THU, 07/17/2014 - 8:39AM
Nice try. Reagan IS STILL an incompentent culo viejo enojado.
Reagan is
"thought of" by nastolgic teabagging rupuglicans only.

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THU, 07/17/2014 - 12:15AM
We liberals are acutely aware that the gap between the richest 1% and the rest of us began to seriously ramp up during the Reagan years. It stuns us that he is seen by some today as a great President, since a decided majority certainly didn't think of him that way while he was in office, due to the huge Iran Contra Scandal (a REAL presidential scandal) and the Federal Deficit, which ballooned during his time in office.

It's perhaps understandable that a disillusioned Republican Party, who hasn't nominated a strong candidate in 20+ years, now seeks to inflate Reagan far past mythological proportions. Anything to distract us from the George W.Bush years, and the failed McCain & Romney campaigns, ya know?

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THU, 07/17/2014 - 2:57AM
***INCOMING BLATHER!***

1980 Election Results:
Reagan got 44/50 states, 489 electoral votes, and 50.8% of the pop. vote

1984 Election Results:
Reagan got 49/50 states, 525 electoral votes, and 58.8% of the pop.vote

But, you may say, "Iran-Contra occurred inside the second term!" To which you'd be correct.

However, when we look at this chart (http://int.danville.k12.pa.us/te...) it shows that after ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY for the actions, President Reagan didn't even dip to his lowest point in his entire time as President. When he left office, he was around 55% "approved" which is only about 5% under when he was first elected.

So I fail to see where this "decided majority" exists. It appears that for perhaps 2-3 years of his 8 he was under 50%. Look coasterfan, I have no clue why you as a teacher have an absolute phobia of posting citations or trying to back up your painfully partisan points. I also feel terrible that I, a mere upstart youth, have to correct a former teacher of the year and perhaps come across as patronizing to an elder (who on some other things I agree).

But I can't just let your unsupported claims go, especially not as someone who once held a position of trust and guidance over young minds.

Tell me, coaster, would we EVER see a speech like this come from our current President? - http://youtu.be/R67CH-qhXJs (This is how a President takes responsibility for the things that have happened on his watch.)

Flash forward with me to our current President. One who hasn't had a 50%+ approval rating for five of his six years served with two more to go. I wonder, then, where the decided majority lies?

Oh I'll agree with you that the Republicans put up horrendous candidates. They're getting theirs, I assure you. But there is no comparison especially, ESPECIALLY, because for as much as "you liberals" are aware of the "1%" it would seem that the trend you claim started under Reagan (you know, pulling us out of the poo-hole we were in before with Carter #justsayin) has only flourished and thrived under both separate and simultaneous liberal-majority Congresses and Presidencies. Feel free to add in a "no thanks to Republicans" if you wish. I'll poke my head out the window and see if that changes anything.

Let's not constrain the deficit AND debt both increasing while this so-called "1%" also flourishes.

Now correct me if I'm wrong (http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/) because I don't usually cite my sources, but it would seem that 7/10 top-ten-richest members of Congress are "we liberals".

At least in 2012 numbers, here you go: http://ballotpedia.org/Net_worth...

I suppose one must be judged on intentions and feelings, and not actual results? After all, our President signed a rollback of the STOCK Act provisions last year (http://www.opensecrets.org/news/...) that help to hide more information from the public especially when it comes to insider trading. If you bothered to look at any of the previous financial charts, you'll see that real estate and investments are (except trusts mostly for D elected persons) seem to be the largest sources of income in their portfolios.

I can only wonder how it feels for you to wrap yourself in these blankets and just ignore anything that you don't personally think is right, relevant, or factual. I will credit you this, you certainly don't flinch when you plunge your political knife into someone. You stare at them straight in the eyes, smiling, and whisper, "I'm just trying to help you." as the honey you pour in their ears displaces the blood (money) seeping from their wounds.

You are welcome to point out Republican shenanigans all you want, but don't you dare suppose that Democrats are any better nor any less hypocritical of what they do compared to what they say.

- - - - -

Now that that is over, I'd like to ask you where you got the solar panel for your Prius as I'd be interested in looking at getting one for mine. Thank you.

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THU, 07/17/2014 - 7:15AM
LOL. For a teacher Coaster sure is ignorant. Don't expect a response from him. When confronted with facts he usually clams up and moves on to some other nonsensical blather. Until he removes the obamaprobe from his backside he is not likely to respond to facts.

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THU, 07/17/2014 - 8:01AM
Coasterfan is just another democrat azzhole troll.

Think about what you've said, he taunts, twists, blatantly lies, and makes fairy tale references to some almighty democrat kingdom.

He's nothing more that a paid puppet, just like obama.

obama/coaster/fail

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THU, 07/17/2014 - 8:01AM
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Contango
THU, 07/17/2014 - 8:15AM
Reminds me of the ol' bankrupt and defunct "Air America."

I used to listen occasionally and HOPE for some 'intelligent' liberal discussion and viewpoints.

Inevitably after a couple of minutes, pretty much regardless of topic, the hosts and their guests would descend to a conclusion with something like: Can we all agree that it's Bush's fault?

Mindless chatter, not unlike what spews from the above progressive-socialist.

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THU, 07/17/2014 - 6:43AM
Re: "Reagan years."

Off-topic (per usual), however:

H*ll, EVERYONE was goin' broke during the Carter malaise which is why he got creamed at the polls.

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holysee
THU, 07/17/2014 - 8:40AM
Show some evidence.

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THU, 07/17/2014 - 7:12AM
RE: 1%. You should be acutely aware because most of the 10 richest members of Congress are liberals. That's part of the reason that liberals only give lip service and do nothing. You are naive if you think the liberals in government have an altruistic bone in their collective bodies. Nonetheless things aren't looking good for the dems to regain control of the house, as well it appears that they will lose control of the Senate. Can't wait to see both you and the mutt melt down again.

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THU, 07/17/2014 - 7:23AM
Re: "altruistic bone in their collective bodies,"

Did you see this one?

"Workers struggle in Hamptons, playground for rich":

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

Four of the five districts are represented by Dems.

How's the construction of that affordable housing coming? NIMBY perhaps?

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THU, 07/17/2014 - 4:05AM
"Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren told a group of young Democrats Wednesday that the political system was 'rigged'..."

"...they need to be cut into the deal, not cut out,..."

"She has to figure out what's her message for a new American electorate: African-Americans, Hispanics, young people, women, all of whom are suffering,"

So this is what to expect from Democratic candidates? Rigged systems, different messages/"promises" to different people based not on common humanity but gender or skin color? Ladies and gentlemen, this is garbage. Pure, hot garbage. Every single quote is divisive. What's worse is those who are open to it are allowing someone else to tell them they aren't as good as the person next to them!

Are you a woman? Well, apparently all that matters to you is free birth control. Are you of Hispanic descent? The only thing you care about is letting illegal immigrants into the country. Are you black? Well you're just screwed because supposedly after fifty plus years of "fairness" nothing seems to have actually gotten fairer. But vote for them because next time they'll give you whatever you want. Five more minutes of recess and chocolate milk on Fridays.

Despicable.

Oh and Republicans? The same ones who can only parrot "no Obamacare, no Obamacare" while doing nothing about it? The same party who wants to involve the JUDICIAL BRANCH unnecessarily between the legislative and executive ones?! The needling, immoral campaigners in Kentucky and Mississippi who use the same tactics they decry their Democratic opponents use only against fresh blood? The same ones who are so anti-government that they tell their constituents that if they don't vote the [establishment] Republican incumbent in that their state's piece of the pie is threatened?!

Whether holysee realizes it or not, his jester simulation touched upon one of the best political speeches of the current times. A speech that doesn't divide the population. A speech that doesn't treat blacks differently than whites, men differently than women. A speech that actually tries to unify the population by illustrating a common purpose against a small number of people who think they're better than you.

Those same people - benevolent masterminds - who will tell you who to hate. Who hates you. THEY will tell YOU how you live and that you are poor or insufficient by their measures. That THEIR system is rigged against you because you are too stupid to do any damn thing yourself! You just have to trust them to fix it...

"A Time for Choosing" (transcript: http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/arc...)

YouTube: http://youtu.be/qXBswFfh6AY

Let me expand only a bit on holysee's quote, only a portion of this powerful speech as chronicled above (and second possibly to his first Inauguration Speech: http://youtu.be/LToM9bAnsyM)

"This is the issue of this election: Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capitol can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.

You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between a left or right. Well I'd like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There's only an up or down—[up] man's old—old-aged dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. And regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course.

In this vote-harvesting time, they use terms like the "Great Society," or as we were told a few days ago by the President, we must accept a greater government activity in the affairs of the people. But they've been a little more explicit in the past and among themselves; and all of the things I now will quote have appeared in print. These are not Republican accusations. For example, they have voices that say, "The cold war will end through our acceptance of a not undemocratic socialism." Another voice says, "The profit motive has become outmoded. It must be replaced by the incentives of the welfare state." Or, "Our traditional system of individual freedom is incapable of solving the complex problems of the 20th century." Senator Fullbright has said at Stanford University that the Constitution is outmoded. He referred to the President as "our moral teacher and our leader," and he says he is "hobbled in his task by the restrictions of power imposed on him by this antiquated document." He must "be freed," so that he "can do for us" what he knows "is best." And Senator Clark of Pennsylvania, another articulate spokesman, defines liberalism as "meeting the material needs of the masses through the full power of centralized government."

Well, I, for one, resent it when a representative of the people refers to you and me, the free men and women of this country, as "the masses." This is a term we haven't applied to ourselves in America. But beyond that, "the full power of centralized government"—this was the very thing the Founding Fathers sought to minimize. They knew that governments don't control things. A government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they know when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. They also knew, those Founding Fathers, that outside of its legitimate functions, government does nothing as well or as economically as the private sector of the economy."

Why can't we have, D/R/L or I, someone as articulate and impassioned as this? Someone who wants to empower YOU to live YOUR life and not seek to control or have you wait for someone else to do something with it? Someone who wants you to be inspired by your country and the wisdom of its Founding in the Enlightenment?

Instead...instead we have the garbage in the article above and none better from most Republicans. As a young person I am very saddened and disappointed.

P.S. - Here's the transcript to the inauguration address: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/w...

I'd challenge you all to read or watch this and see just how eternal these words are, almost as an eerie omen of today.

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sugar
THU, 07/17/2014 - 6:33AM
Yes Hero Zone we are all waiting for that one inspiring person. It would be wonderful for 2016. I don't see it coming from the right and what the left has to offer is "it's her turn".

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THU, 07/17/2014 - 6:53AM
Last night I saw a commercial for a new TV series entitled "Madam Secretary," with a blonde haired Tea Leoni.

(Interestingly, she was formerly married to a satyr.)

On the surface it certainly looks like subtle campaign propaganda.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3501...

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KnuckleDragger
THU, 07/17/2014 - 7:02AM
I hope she runs. With all the dirt on her she isn't likely to win. Funny how she is now trying to distance herself from Obama. Even she is smart enough to know that if she wants to make a Presidential run that she needs to get as far removed from the most unpopular President since WWII as possible. Being tied in any way to Obama is likely to equal failure in 2016.

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worddrow811
THU, 07/17/2014 - 8:39AM
Black black black black black! the separation of races by color description is WRONG on so many levels that it threatens the unity of our country if there is any unity left.

We are all of the human race and until the politicians focus on that, Barney, the dinosaur, may as well be president because no one is being effective in reuniting our American citizens of any heritage.

Africans, Hispanics, Germans, English, Japanese, Chinese, French or whatever all have the same body parts. We can change if we want to and I want to know why some of them don't want the same things for children?

Hillary will make a better president than any man out there and we should give her the chance to prove it. I think the men are all cowards and afraid of her because they know she is the best person for the job.

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meowmix

Well put holy-

Contango

Re: "Well put,"????

You actually read that? Can you boil Holey's copy and paste down to twenty words or less?

sugar

What is his point? Idiot.

Donegan

So copy and pasting a entire plethora of posting and at the end of it say "Such and such would be better and men are cowards" Is that great of a post?
You people are mental. You picked Obama over Hillary and see what we got, No reason to listen to you people again for a long long time.

Contango

Re: "they know she is the best person for the job."

So why'd the Dems throw her under the bus in '08?

H*ll, I'd rather have Sen. Warren. She's fresher and much more politically interesting.

Mrs. Clinton is a retread.

KnuckleDragger

RE: throw her under the bus.

Because they had to prove they weren't racist first.

deertracker

You guys are so dumb. Blacks know there are racists out there and really don't care.

Contango

Re: "You guys,"

Trading in your Obama anal probe for a Hillary one eh, nitwit?

deertracker

Next election you get my vote pooh!!!!!! You have ALL the answers!!!!!!

Donegan

You voted for Obama for one reason only, He is Black. That makes you a racist along with millions of other racist that voted for him based on the color of his skin. Of course you don't care now your counted as a racist.

The Big Dog's back

You voted for the white guy because he was white. Now what.

meowmix

Touche BD!

Dr. Information

Liberals getting creamed on here once again.

I personally would like to meet coaster on day and straight up throat punch him for being so stupid. Lol

meowmix

Oh brother. Creamed? Hardly.
I need not go into a long winded boring rebuttal as to why you are wrong. I also don't need to paste web sites for you to visit that are sanctioned by Fox Snooze. I only need to type again for your reading pleasure what I have typed before and that is:

Hillary in 2016: When all the racists become sexists.

Get used to saying "Madam President" there Dr. NoInfo. It is really going to happen.

KnuckleDragger

LOL ^^ Of course you won't. One of the Liberals mantras "It feels good...therefore it must." Maybe later when you can pull your rebuttal from the Rachel Maddow show?

meowmix

I will, just as soon as I see that you're quoting Limbag again. Your moniker suits you quite well.

KnuckleDragger

LOL. I don't even listen to Limbag and have never quoted him. Nice try though.

jazzbo

You certainly don't think for yourself.

jazzbo

Fox Snooze...LOL

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The Hero Zone

Meowmix, I certainly hope your tagline is sarcastic. If you actually believe that then you are quite close-minded and presumptive of other people. To reduce political disagreement to only being about pigmentation or genitalia is insulting. Sure, to other people but to yourself too when no other counterpoint can be made other than something like "oh well he's just a racist for not doing exactly what the President wants".

You may as well have made just as ignorant a statement as Dr. did by wanting to throat punch someone instead of appealing to their intelligence and imagination as a human being. If you'd like to be better than someone, please don't sink to their level. Encourage them to come up to you.

The Big Dog's back

Truth bites you again hz.

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The Hero Zone

Is this supposed to be some kind of reply? Did a full thought or sentence get cut off? Or are you reading to me the fortune cookie statement you got in some take-out?

jazzbo

@ Miss Information -

No , Miss Information , you hate Coaster because he refutes you and your idiot ilk with intelligent answers ...and you cant stand it.

Bottom Line

Coaster has intelligent, fact-laden responses and comments as often as you do. Never.

jazzbo

Go Ef- yourself.

Donegan

You proved his point .

jazzbo

Ef-you too , waste of time.

Donegan

Aww, Take heart racist hypocrite, There are millions of brainless drones out there who will be willing to vote for Clinton and make you feel better about "Winning". The sad thing is you will still be poor and she will be richer and the cycle will continue of you morons thinking you have won something in the face of the facts that you have only proven how stupid you actually are by believing in a politician.

jazzbo

Incoherent nonsense- a sign of mental illness.

sugar

Of course you would see the truth as incoherence and nonsense, look who you support in elections.

jazzbo

Since you were unable to figure it out , I was referring to Donegan's state of mind - you qualify also.

Darwin's choice

And deerteracker, bigdog, holyqueer, and manyothers!!!

Let me give them a chance to use their "obamacare".......bunch of queer sissies!

obama/failed

The Big Dog's back

Still listening to the gayway pundit goof?

deertracker

Dog, doofus is not worth my typing time!

Darwin's choice

Yet, here you are sissy!!!!!

obababots/still failing

jazzbo

Darwin wears dresses.

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The Hero Zone

Throat punching people doesn't solve anything. You may not agree with him but he's a human being. Instead, simply try to have civil conversation with him, point out flaws in his logic, or otherwise provide factual counterpoints to those with which you disagree.

meowmix

HZ- that is what we all like to think but quite frankly, I absolutely LOVED jazzbo's "ef-you" comment-- sometimes that just sums up everything perfectly. :}

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The Hero Zone

I get your notion but in practice how can one be taken seriously if they aren't (mostly) serious themselves? It's a boy who cries wolf. Comments like jazz's or Dr.'s don't do anything to advance civilization or solve our problems. Why it bugs me is because each have posted better before but then shift into implied personal violence and insult. So I was disappointed.

sugar

They've resorted to posting that way because they have nothing left to defend the mess in the WH. It's desperation.

jazzbo

Hero-
That's all that one can say to some of these jackasses.
They earned it and deserve it.
It beats a whole lot time of wasted on typing.

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The Hero Zone

I'd rather see you make replies full of logic, citation, and proof to counter their claims. That leaves them to dash against your rocks like waves. You'll be seen as mature and the long-term victor since they can't keep up with you logically, philosophically, nor mentally.

Let people call each other names. Demand better of them by holding yourself to a higher standard. I don't know if you despise me, are neutral towards me, or like me in some capacity. But regardless of that view I hope you'll see that I've been consistent in my message delivery and tone.

The Big Dog's back

Conveniently, the Treasury Department working paper they’ve referenced does measure tax changes as a percentage of GDP. By this single best measure, the largest tax increase in modern history was under their conservative hero, President Ronald Reagan, in 1982, and was 25% larger than President Obama’s proposal

Contango

Re: "25% larger than President Obama’s proposal,"

Off-topic, blather dog. However:

Apples and oranges.

Pres. Reagan had a Dem Congress (compromise), Pres. "My way or the highway" Obama (currently) has a split Congress.

Remains to be seen what happens to the Senate in Nov.

Donegan

Look at all the hypocrites who dislike the 1% throw their support behind someone worth 80 million. Hillary is a know scam artist who term as secretary of state has lead to the overseas crises we now see. Hypocrites.

Contango

Clinton for President 2016 campaign slogan:

"What difference at this point does it make?” lol

Bottom Line

Who has accomplished less for their respective voters? Hillary Clinton or Marcy Kaptur?

jazzbo

.

KnuckleDragger

^^He had to go look up Marcy Kaptur because he didn't know who she was. Stay tuned folks for more nonsensical insults.

The Big Dog's back

No nothing knucklehead.

Darwin's choice

Careful, dog. You're only a heartbeat away......

obama/failing

jazzbo

Drop dead , Darwin.

Dr. Information

Although I don't think America is down for another full of lies Clinton, she would be a step up better than what we have now. At least I think she would attempt to bring Congress somewhat back together than isolating parties against each other and then leading this country like a dictator like Obama has.

Obama has fooled everyone, he is smarter than most of you. He single handily has split Congress like God parted the Red Sea so that he has complete control and does what he wants while everyone around him isn't paying attention and fighting.

Contango

Re: "Clinton,"

Gov. Clinton said that when voters elected him, they got a two-for-one.

So, she's already served 8 yrs., PLUS she had "Hillarycare" blow up!

Then, the black guy that the Dems passed her over for in '08 got his version of her boondoggle passed.

Mrs. Clinton is a retread - NEXT!

Stay home and spoil the grandbaby.

The Big Dog's back

Man, you right wingnuts will go totally bananas, 1st a Black man then followed by a woman. BOOM!

freespeech1

Half black dog. And even if he was a white guy he would still suck as president.

Donegan

Only a sexist would vote for someone because of their gender. I guess that would make you either a
1. A racist,sexist hypocrite.
2. Retarded (By that i mean a unthinking Democrat)
Your choice.

jazzbo

Big Dog -

If , and probably when , Hillary becomes president.... can you imagine how crazy and rabid all these rightwing jackasses are going to be ?
They'll literally be foaming at the mouth.

The Big Dog's back

Oh yes they will. They will jumping off buildings and bridges. Yea!

Contango

Re: "Hillary becomes president,"

Hubby was and is very cozy with Wall St. It appears that the Mrs. will be little different.

If you want a 'good' leftist, Sen. Warren is your best bet.

"Dem base: Fine with Hillary Clinton, pining for Elizabeth Warren,"

http://www.politico.com/story/20...

Contango

The title is a typo. It should read: Liberal '*sses.' :)