Liberals assess 2016 race as Clinton weighs bid

Former first lady is getting elbowed by other members of her party
Associated Press
Jul 16, 2014

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren told a group of young Democrats Wednesday that the political system was "rigged" by powerful lobbyists and the wealthy and made an impassioned case for reducing burdensome student loans. Vice President Joe Biden said he had been on the front lines of debates over income inequality, climate change and gay marriage.

"I've been at the center of most progressive battles for a long, long time," Biden said, in a lengthy speech to Generation Progress. He heard shouts of "We love Joe," as he exited the stage.

Hillary Rodham Clinton remains the dominant figure in Democrats' early 2016 discussions but she is beginning to get elbowed by liberals in her party as she considers a second run for the presidency. Potential 2016 rivals like Biden, Warren and Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley are in the middle of a summertime tour of Democratic constituencies, frequently appealing to liberal activists who want a more populist approach to the economy and question the deporting of an influx of immigrant children from Central America.

Clinton, who dominates early 2016 polls, may avoid a significant primary challenge if she runs for president. Biden has kept all options open, Warren has repeatedly denied interest, while O'Malley promotes his record in Maryland as a model in the party and is actively exploring a campaign. But the jousting shows an interest in an alternative, and preparations in the event Clinton doesn't run.

"Ongoing current events give her potential opponents an opportunity to position themselves in contrast to her," said Democratic strategist Tom McMahon.

Biden, who will address the liberal Netroots Nation conference in Detroit later this week along with Warren, noted his role as a leading advocate for President Barack Obama's agenda in a wide-ranging speech that touched upon issues like domestic violence, voting rights and the problems of corrosive politics.

Biden said he's often referred to as "middle class Joe," telling the students that the economic bargain of years past had been broken and needed to be restored.

"Folks in the middle, they need to be cut into the deal, not cut out," Biden said. "The folks at the bottom need to know that they have the chance to climb the ladder."

Biden has maintained ties to the early voting states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina and projects a blue-collar image in contrast to the former first lady's recent stumbles over discussions of her family's wealth.

Warren has become a hero of the party's economic populists, railing against high student loan debt at a time when Clinton has received six-figure speaking fees on college campuses. She passes them along to her family's foundation.

In her speech, Warren detailed "how Washington is a rigged game" and said her bill to help students refinance their college loans at lower rates had been blocked by Senate Republicans and she cast blame on Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.

"Our voices matter and it's time to use them. Together that's how we make sure that our government works," Warren said.

Warren has turned into a go-to surrogate for Senate candidates, campaigning for Democrats in Oregon, Kentucky and West Virginia. She planned to raise money for Rep. Gary Peters, who is seeking Michigan's open Senate seat, during her trip to Detroit for Netroots Nation and was ending the week in Los Angeles at the National Council of La Raza, where immigration will be a leading topic.

O'Malley has made trips to Iowa and New Hampshire in the past month and notably distanced himself from both Clinton and Obama on the crisis along the Mexican border.

"We are not a country that should turn children away and send them back to certain death," O'Malley told reporters in Nashville, Tennessee, during a weekend meeting of the National Governors Association.

Clinton cited the need to reunite the children with their families but said during a CNN forum in June that the U.S. needed to "send a clear message: Just because your child gets across the border doesn't mean your child gets to stay."

During her book tour, Clinton has frequently cited the economic struggles of many Americans who have yet to partake in the recovery and pointed to the broad-based growth in jobs during her husband's two terms in the White House. In an interview with German news magazine Der Spiegel, Clinton said the work of Thomas Piketty, the economist and best-selling author, showed that income inequality was "threatening to democracy."

That message could help her connect with liberals, who have been wary of her ties to Wall Street and the corporate support of the Clinton Foundation. Liberals are closely watching how Clinton might frame an economic agenda in a potential presidential campaign.

"She has to figure out what's her message for a new American electorate: African-Americans, Hispanics, young people, women, all of whom are suffering," said Roger Hickey, co-director of the Campaign for America's Future.




Air America was actually alot like the Stephanie Miller show---based largely on humor. Unlike Beck/Limbag etal. Also, Air America and S. Miller wasn't/isn't afraid to allow conservative callers on the air--unlike the B & L. I've been lucky enough to hear TWICE- liberal callers who somehow managed to squeak past the Limbag screener and I swear, the SOB stammered and got so PO'ed I thought he was going to explode and ooze out my radio.

Got a reply to that Contango because you know it is the truth!


Squeeze past? Snerdley let's them in. Rush rips them to shreds, I love when libs are on! Funny as he**!


Re: "---based largely on humor,"

If so, it was sophomoric, uninteresting and a costly failure.

So the message of progressivism is best expressed as humor?

You may be correct; it IS a joke.

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It's true that Reagan is popular more than two decades after leaving office. A CNN/Opinion Research poll last month gave him the third-highest approval rating among presidents of the past 50 years, behind John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton. But Reagan's average approval rating during the eight years that he was in office was nothing spectacular - 52.8 percent, according to Gallup. That places the 40th president not just behind Kennedy, Clinton and Dwight Eisenhower, but also Lyndon Johnson and George H.W. Bush, neither of whom are talked up as candidates for Mount Rushmore.


But miles ahead of your messiah who will likely end up at the bottom. Maybe the Dems can have him put on Mount know, to prove they aren't racist?

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What Big Dog fails to, again, do is cite the source of his copy/paste. Since I'm a nice guy I'll do it for him:

I presume he didn't mean to cherry pick a three year old poll that references "last month" and then go on to note even cite what he blatantly ripped off it to present as if it were his own AND current.

P.S. - This article is from February 4, 2011.

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So what?

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It's both disingenuous to not cite your source (trying to pass as your own?) as well as try to deceive readers with a snapshot poll in which "last month" was 42 months ago.

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hz, do you want a medal? OK, you can be teacher's pet for the day. And wow, you can look things up. Happy, happy, joy, joy.

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I don't want a medal, I want you to cite your sources and provide context for the things you say. Also I have to be good at looking things up because of all the misinformation out there as well as biased or dishonest disseminators of said info. Teacher's pets are yes men, I am hardly such an entity.

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Re: "Reagan years."

Off-topic (per usual), however:

H*ll, EVERYONE was goin' broke during the Carter malaise which is why he got creamed at the polls.


Show some evidence.


Why don't you? Oops that's right, you can't.


Re: "evidence."

Gov. Reagan - 51%

Pres. Carter - 41%

Quite a shellacking politically for a sitting pres.

So why'd voters throw Pres. Carter out of office?


Evidence of Carter hell? I lived it, layoffs, gas lines, interest rates at 16%, I can't forget.

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The biggest reason Carter lost was because of the Iran hostage crisis. And low and behold raygun and his ilk were secretly negotiating illegally with terrorists. And it wouldn't be the last time raygun negotiated with terrorists.


Re: "Iran hostage crisis,"

That and the crummy U.S. economy.

Bright guy, lousy president.


Bdog says"The biggest reason Carter lost was because of the Iran hostage crisis. And low and behold raygun and his ilk were secretly negotiating illegally with terrorists. And it wouldn't be the last time raygun negotiated with terrorists.

Please show the proof of what you are saying.

Actually the reason I did not vote for double digit Jimmy is because of double digit unemployment, double digit inflation and double digit interest rates.


RE: 1%. You should be acutely aware because most of the 10 richest members of Congress are liberals. That's part of the reason that liberals only give lip service and do nothing. You are naive if you think the liberals in government have an altruistic bone in their collective bodies. Nonetheless things aren't looking good for the dems to regain control of the house, as well it appears that they will lose control of the Senate. Can't wait to see both you and the mutt melt down again.


Re: "altruistic bone in their collective bodies,"

Did you see this one?

"Workers struggle in Hamptons, playground for rich":

Four of the five districts are represented by Dems.

How's the construction of that affordable housing coming? NIMBY perhaps?

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The top 2 richest members of Congress are Repubs. Out of the top 20 they are split 10 and 10. What's your point?


Re: "The top 2 richest members of Congress are Repubs."

So what? 7 out of the 10 richest are Dems - meaning the majority of the top 20 are Repubs and POORER.

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So what deuce pooh. So what.


Re: "So what."

Hypocrisy blather dog, hypocrisy.

Shouldn't 'rich Dem' be an oxymoron?

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"Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren told a group of young Democrats Wednesday that the political system was 'rigged'..."

"...they need to be cut into the deal, not cut out,..."

"She has to figure out what's her message for a new American electorate: African-Americans, Hispanics, young people, women, all of whom are suffering,"

So this is what to expect from Democratic candidates? Rigged systems, different messages/"promises" to different people based not on common humanity but gender or skin color? Ladies and gentlemen, this is garbage. Pure, hot garbage. Every single quote is divisive. What's worse is those who are open to it are allowing someone else to tell them they aren't as good as the person next to them!

Are you a woman? Well, apparently all that matters to you is free birth control. Are you of Hispanic descent? The only thing you care about is letting illegal immigrants into the country. Are you black? Well you're just screwed because supposedly after fifty plus years of "fairness" nothing seems to have actually gotten fairer. But vote for them because next time they'll give you whatever you want. Five more minutes of recess and chocolate milk on Fridays.


Oh and Republicans? The same ones who can only parrot "no Obamacare, no Obamacare" while doing nothing about it? The same party who wants to involve the JUDICIAL BRANCH unnecessarily between the legislative and executive ones?! The needling, immoral campaigners in Kentucky and Mississippi who use the same tactics they decry their Democratic opponents use only against fresh blood? The same ones who are so anti-government that they tell their constituents that if they don't vote the [establishment] Republican incumbent in that their state's piece of the pie is threatened?!

Whether holysee realizes it or not, his jester simulation touched upon one of the best political speeches of the current times. A speech that doesn't divide the population. A speech that doesn't treat blacks differently than whites, men differently than women. A speech that actually tries to unify the population by illustrating a common purpose against a small number of people who think they're better than you.

Those same people - benevolent masterminds - who will tell you who to hate. Who hates you. THEY will tell YOU how you live and that you are poor or insufficient by their measures. That THEIR system is rigged against you because you are too stupid to do any damn thing yourself! You just have to trust them to fix it...

"A Time for Choosing" (transcript:


Let me expand only a bit on holysee's quote, only a portion of this powerful speech as chronicled above (and second possibly to his first Inauguration Speech:

"This is the issue of this election: Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capitol can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.

You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between a left or right. Well I'd like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There's only an up or down—[up] man's old—old-aged dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. And regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course.

In this vote-harvesting time, they use terms like the "Great Society," or as we were told a few days ago by the President, we must accept a greater government activity in the affairs of the people. But they've been a little more explicit in the past and among themselves; and all of the things I now will quote have appeared in print. These are not Republican accusations. For example, they have voices that say, "The cold war will end through our acceptance of a not undemocratic socialism." Another voice says, "The profit motive has become outmoded. It must be replaced by the incentives of the welfare state." Or, "Our traditional system of individual freedom is incapable of solving the complex problems of the 20th century." Senator Fullbright has said at Stanford University that the Constitution is outmoded. He referred to the President as "our moral teacher and our leader," and he says he is "hobbled in his task by the restrictions of power imposed on him by this antiquated document." He must "be freed," so that he "can do for us" what he knows "is best." And Senator Clark of Pennsylvania, another articulate spokesman, defines liberalism as "meeting the material needs of the masses through the full power of centralized government."

Well, I, for one, resent it when a representative of the people refers to you and me, the free men and women of this country, as "the masses." This is a term we haven't applied to ourselves in America. But beyond that, "the full power of centralized government"—this was the very thing the Founding Fathers sought to minimize. They knew that governments don't control things. A government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they know when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. They also knew, those Founding Fathers, that outside of its legitimate functions, government does nothing as well or as economically as the private sector of the economy."

Why can't we have, D/R/L or I, someone as articulate and impassioned as this? Someone who wants to empower YOU to live YOUR life and not seek to control or have you wait for someone else to do something with it? Someone who wants you to be inspired by your country and the wisdom of its Founding in the Enlightenment?

Instead...instead we have the garbage in the article above and none better from most Republicans. As a young person I am very saddened and disappointed.

P.S. - Here's the transcript to the inauguration address:

I'd challenge you all to read or watch this and see just how eternal these words are, almost as an eerie omen of today.


Yes Hero Zone we are all waiting for that one inspiring person. It would be wonderful for 2016. I don't see it coming from the right and what the left has to offer is "it's her turn".


Re:"Yes Hero Zone we are all waiting for that one inspiring person. It would be wonderful for 2016. I don't see it coming from the right and what the left has to offer is "it's her turn".

You might want to read a little about Dr Ben Carson he does seem different than a lifetime politician. Very intelligent and sincere he also does offer his opinion of things to do in lieu of just criticizing others. Better yet you may wish to read his book "America the Beautiful"

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I thought you Repubs wanted a Professional President?


You sir are a racist.