Three dead, trooper injured in Ohio Turnpike crash

Ohio State Patrol spokeswoman confirms third death; injured Milan post trooper named.
Shawn Foucher
Mar 13, 2014

 

UPDATED 9:00 p.m.

Release from the Ohio State Highway Patrol: The trooper that became pinned between vehicles during the multiple-vehicle crash on the Ohio Turnpike earlier today has been identified as Tpr. Andrew B. Clouser, 29, of the Milan Post. Tpr. Clouser has been with the Patrol since September 2012. He remains in stable, but serious condition and has been transferred to St. Vincent's Hospital in Toledo.

UPDATED: 6:30 p.m.:

Lt. Anne Ralston confirmed a third fatality in a two-mile long crash involving 50 vehicles on the Ohio Turnpike this afternoon.

Also, Ralston said a trooper severely injured during the crash works at the Milan post of the Patrol.

Troopers are not yet releasing names of victims, nor the injured trooper, Ralston said.

The Turnpike remains closed between Ohio 53 and 4, while the Ohio Turnpike Commission is encouraging motorists to avoid the area completely. 

Click HERE for a story and video from the Ohio Turnpike in Townsend Twp. 

Click HERE for more photos from the scene

UPDATED: 4:55 p.m.:

A crash involving more than 50 vehicles on the Ohio Turnpike killed at least two people and severely injured a trooper Wednesday around 1:30 p.m., according to the Ohio State Highway Patrol.

The crash stretched for two miles, near mile marker 102, between County Road 268 and 278 in Sandusky County.

At 2:05 p.m., dispatchers learned a trooper had been pinned  between two vehicles while attending to the wreck, the Patrol said. 

He was taken to Firelands Regional Medical Center for treatment. 

Officials are working to clear the Turnpike, but as of now it is closed in both directions and crews are rerouting traffic. 

 

UPDATED 4:30 p.m.:

The Ohio Turnpike is teeming with disabled and stopped vehicles, cars in ditches, crashes and general mayhem from this afternoon's treacherous weather. 

Law enforcers are also attending to a multi-vehicle, multi-injury wreck near the 102 mile marker on the Turnpike, officials said.  A trooper was injured and initial reports indicate at least one fatality.

Nonetheless, some area roads are starting to improve, said Erie County Sheriff Paul Sigsworth.

"We were real busy there for a bit. It was more sleet and rain, but that squall came in and 20 minutes later it was all snow," Sigsworth said. 

He said near-zero visibility and blizzard-like conditions around 2 p.m. likely caused many of the crashes.

"We got such a heavy volume of snow. Man, you couldn't see," Sigsworth said. 

As of about 4:15 p.m., Sigsworth said road conditions were beginning to improve along U.S. 250, allowing traffic to move at more than a crawl. 

All surrounding areas, however, are still at a Level 3. 

"We're going to stay at three because the visibility is still pretty bad. We can't anticipate at this time when we'll downgrade—it's going to depend on weather," Sigsworth said. 

Check back for Turnpike crash updates.

 

UPDATED 4 p.m.:

Ohio 2 in Ottawa County, between Ohio 163 and Ohio 53 is closed due to multiple accidents.

The City of Norwalk is under a parking ban. Parking on city streets is prohibited when snowfall exceeds or is expected to exceed 2 inches.

Cleveland Road between Sandusky and Huron has been partially closed until vehicles can be reached and removed.

 

UPDATED 3:20 p.m.: 

Cleveland Road is closed between Perkins Avenue and the Sandusky city limits. 

Multiple car pile-up on Turnpike in Sandusky County.

Stretches of Bogart Road are impassable and closed off.

Vehicles in ditches may have to wait until the roads clear up before tow trucks will be able to tow them.

 

UPDATED 2:45 p.m.:

The Ohio Turnpike from exit 91 to 110 are closed in both directions. Numerous semis traveling on the turnpike have jackknifed, forcing authorities to shut down the toll road.

Severe weather likely played a role in a fatal crash at about 2:30 p.m. on the Ohio Turnpike near mile marker 102 in an eastbound lane.

An Ohio State Highway Patrol cruiser was also involved in a crash. It's not known what injuries the trooper sustained.

Numerous accidents have been reported across the Northcoast region. All five counties in the Register's circulation area are at a Level 3, and motorists are urged to stay off the roads for any and all purposes.

Check back here for updates as they become available.

Comments

worddrow811

Why do some drivers think that this means they are the exception?

buckeye45

Sometimes work requires people to drive during L3. I don't think people think they are the exception.

Informed

No work cannot order you to break the law.

buckeye45

I'll pay the fine.

Informed

It's not a fine, it's subject to arrest.
Did any of you stop to think about this--you get in an accident during a Level 3 and you are found to be at fault and someone was seriously hurt. Guess what? You are probably not only going to get majorly sued and lose, you are probably also going to prison.

doppleganger

I have been at work since before 6 am., before the level 3 was imposed. Am I supposed to stay here because I am not allowed on the road? Well, they can arrest me. I am going home.

BabyMomma

If you hit a car on the roadway, you're BOTH breaking the law. Doesn't matter whose fault, if either vehicle had listened to the Sheriff, neither would be crashed!

Informed

One person breaking the law doesn't excuse the fault of the other person doing so. A drunk driver doesn't get off because the person he hit was speeding.

BabyMomma

I didn't say get off. But being sued and prison time seems excessive don't you think?

Informed

No. It happens all the time to people who don't do anything wring except make a mistake while driving. Look at the recent case that was in the paper regarding the guy being charged.

KnuckleDragger

Name one person who had been arrested for traveling in a level 3? I work in public safety and I can tell you the cops I know have been advised not to give citations for being out in a level 3. The only time you may be cited is if you cause an accident. Look it up nobody in Ohio has ever done jail time for this. Any way people are not going to risk losing their jobs by staying home. Some employers are jerks and that's just life.

reddog

Lots of employers will dock employees for not showing up even in a Level 3. There's no requirement that employers must let their employees stay home and who would pay for the wages anyway. OTR truckers aren't always aware of individual counties or cities that have a "level 3" status, too. The fact that the "work day" started out as a level 2 is important, as well. People already went to work and got stuck away from home when the Level 3's were announced. There just isn't an easy answer here.

Hometown 44811

The Ohio Turnpike is the exception! Level 3 does NOT apply to the Ohio Turnpike. So for all the OTR drivers and travelers that were just trying to get across the state, they were NOT breaking any laws.

holysee

Because some of us ARE exceptional.
The pope for example.
Lottery ticket consumers for another.

Simple Enough II

Because I needed to come to work. 20-25 MPH pretty much the whole way in ( its a given that my relief wont come in, I hope it doesn't turn into a double shift). I would like to thank the folks who didn't think they neededto turn their lights on........

Factitious

This was preventable, if not completely, then to a degree. Driver training is deficient. No one "deserves" to experience such a catastrophe, but there can be no question that most of the vehicles involved were traveling too fast for the conditions and in violation of ORC 4511.21

"...No person shall operate a motor vehicle...at a greater speed than will permit the person to bring it to a stop within the assured clear distance ahead."

If you couldn't see what you hit until it was too late to stop, you were driving too fast and breaking the law. Period.

Clearly, too many drivers don't understand this crucial safety principle.

ALL drivers should be required to re-test periodically. That would also solve the problem is removing no-longer-competent elderly drivers, without age discrimination.

Nemesis

Bingo! It's possible to drive safely in these conditions. Unfortunately, in this country we effectively give out licenses as prizes in boxes of Cracker Jack.

Informed

No,you didn't HAVE to go to work. Your employer cannot order you to break the law. People like you think that is an excuse. It isn't. You are supposed to stay off the roads. Period. Then what is the point of having a Level 3.

itsmerachael

Some people have to go to work or they get in trouble or fired. Plain and simple. What about hospitals? Are doctors and nurses not supposed to come to work?

Informed

Doctors and nurses at hospitals are considered emergency personnel and are allowed on the roads. For others, your boss can neither fire you nor discipline you for not coming in during a Level 3. Plain and simple. Follow the LAW!!

itsmerachael

Good luck telling that to the railroad. Some employers think it is essential to have workers come to work... "Under a Level 3, roadways are closed to all non-emergency travel due to extremely hazardous conditions. No one should be on the roadway unless it is absolutely essential to travel or a personal emergency exisits."

Informed

It's simple--you say I am not breaking the LAW to come in. I will be there when the Level 3 is lifted. If you give me a hard time about it, I am contacting a lawyer. End of discussion.

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Spy

You obviously don't live in reality then. Employers can fire you for not coming to work during a Level 3 and there is no law preventing them from doing so. In fact, for the description of a level 3, it says "contact your employer" before coming to work.

Informed

Yes there is and no they cannot fire you.

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Spy

Did you grow up in an area without snow? That's the way it always has been in Ohio.

ladydye_5

Ohio is an "at will" state. They have had attorneys on during the other storms. YES employers can fire you for ANY reason...snow and level 3's included. You can try and sue for your job back, but she said no one has ever really tried or won a case.

DGMutley

Yepper! You're right!

Informed

Well, if know one has ever tried, how would they have won?
Any reason doesn't include violating the sheriff's request.

reddog

This is true.

Informed

Nope, that is for a Level 2.

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Spy

Nope, you are wrong. It does say that for a Level 3. Here are the definitions. Read them yourself.

http://www.weathersafety.ohio.go...

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JD

Level 1 - Roadways are hazardous due to accumulated snow or ice. Drive cautiously.

Level 2 - Roadways are hazardous due to blowing and drifting snow and/or ice cover. Only those who believe it is necessary to drive should be on the roadways. Contact your employer to determine if you should report to work.

Level 3 - Roadways are closed to all non-emergency travel due to extremely hazardous conditions. No one should be on the roadway unless it is absolutely essential to travel. Those operating vehicles on the roadway for non-emergency reasons may be subject to arrest.

Straight from the sheriffs website

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Spy

The state is the one that controls what the definitions. All of the surrounding counties sheriff office websites also have "you should contact your employer" as a party of the Level 3 Emergency definition as well. It is interesting how that is omitted at the Erie County sheriff's website.

Dr. Information

Going to work is considered necessary for most people and I have yet to hear of one person getting arrested for being on the road. Keep being UNInformed.

buckeye45

What if you are the employer and you'd like to make sure customers are satisfied?

BabyMomma

What of you're an employer who has a employee die on the way to work because you were too worried about losing money? No customer is worth someone's life. Someone lost theirs today on the turnpike, it's no joke. The roads are horrible.

buckeye45

Baby Moma - that's why some employers are required at work as the employees have the option to stay home. Obviously the safety of employees is a major concern.

chbh89

Well i work in a hospital and the patients need staff to run hospital so i would say some work is necessary to get to.

123abc456

As an example, here is what my husbands work says about it, in a level 3 you are to come to work. If you feel you can not make it to work, then you can take a vacation day, a sick day, a personal day, or get a point. We live 40 minutes from his work and he has to drive mostly back roads to get there. We are the kind of people that live paycheck to paycheck, so him missing a day of work is not the answer. He does not have a union either, and is at the bottom of the pole, so he doesn't really get a voice in the matter. We cannot afford a lawyer, if we went that route.

KnuckleDragger

They most certainly can order you into work during the level three because there are no repercussions for the employer. You can be terminated for not showing up and have little if any recourse. As I said in a previous post, some employers are just jerks. Just consider yourself lucky you don't have my job where you have to make it in no matter what the weather.

itsmerachael

I have always wondered why people are out driving in these bad conditions, especially under an emergency level. But PEOPLE WORK!! They have to get to their jobs. Employers make them come in because their work doesn't shut down just for snow/ice/rain...like the railroad for example. Product and goods have to be moved. A day can really make a difference in a delivery. Many people are also driving through the area from out of town or out of state and might not realize we are under a level 3 warning. I had no idea what a level 1-3 warning was until I moved down here a few years ago. There is just no way to keep everyone off the roads, even in these awful conditions. We all just need to slow down and be aware of our surroundings.

Informed

Your employer cannot make people drive during a Level 3. And a delivery date is not more important than a person's life. People can go in once the Level 3 has been lifted. And ignorance of the law is no excuse. People are supposed to know the laws where they live.
Slowing down doesn't necessarily prevent all accidents.

Abacus

This is a very good point. Michigan does not have this kind of warning system. I had never heard of it until I read about it in the SR earlier this season. Had I driven to Sandusky this winter and any level had been announced, I wouldn't have had a clue what that would mean for drivers. (I am smart enough to stay off of roads in bad weather, however!)

DGMutley

Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong but we've had the level system longer than just this year.

How many years I don't know but this year seems to be the FIRST year that counties are using the system and expecting people to abide. Even at that it was commented that nobody would be cited.

samiam

That brings up a point...why don't radio stations give their location any more instead of just their call letters and their station number? When someone is traveling and a weather alert comes over the radio how are you expected to know if it affects you if the station doesn't give it's location? This could be about weather alerts or traffic alerts or road closures.

BabyMomma

How did you move DOWN here and not know what a level 3 was?

itsmerachael

I didn't know what a level 3 was because other states do not have emergency levels for snow. That's how.

Abacus

Agreed. I think it's a good idea, but it certainly isn't universal.

ladydye_5

That's ok....I was born and raised here...15/20 years ago we didn't HAVE snow emergency levels at all. You went to work no questions asked.

DGMutley

They didn't even use them last year, did they?

ladydye_5

They did, just never a level 3

Bellevue44811

Some people are trying to get home from work. When they left this morning it was clear out and only level 1 in some spots.

Informed

They need to remain at work until the Level 3 is lifted. Going home from work is even less excuse than trying to get to work.
People are full of excuses as to why LAWS don't pertain to them. Guess what? It doesn't matter.

Bellevue44811

Several weeks back there were posts about it being ok to go home. Sheriff comments that said they wouldn't ticket people just going home from work. It is bad because of the time of day that this weather hit. I pray for all those involved in the countless accidents.

m-ville123

So your saying to stay at work with no food or water, leave the kids at the babysitters and not to worry about letting the dog out and feeding him because its snowing. Informed you are a grade A WUSS.

m-ville123

The main purpose of this law is to keep people with no real agenda off the roads so that it makes roads safer for the people who have to drive on them. It says to contact your EMPLOYER to see if you have to come in to work.

Informed

Nope, try again. That is for a Level 2.

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Spy

Level 3: "All roadways are closed to non-emergency personnel. No one should be out during these conditions unless it is absolutely necessary to travel. All employees should contact their employer to see if they should report to work. Those traveling on the roadways may subject themselves to arrest."

What defines breaking the law in a Level 3 is a gray area.

Informed

That's not what the Erie Co. Sheriff's website states.

Dr. Information

Informed, you just are wrong. Keep plugging your ears and screaming that you are right….we are not listening lol.

Work is considered a top priority and means to get on the road and under the law allows you to travel under a level 3. If you employer says come to work, you can drive. Call a lawyer and ask one. How do I know? Lets just say I know the law very very well.

Drive much slower, don't be on your phone or adjusting your hair or radio. Give plenty of distance and you will be ok.

If you feel you cannot make it in, just call your employer and tell them. Most will understand, but there are plenty of people that can make it to work just fine. Happens every year.

Nemesis

There's no point in reasoning with Informed, whose posting history indicates a strong statist inclination.
In Informed's world, if the government says jump, you say how high.

Stop It

+1...And a bi*chy one at that.

Informed

That is highly offensive. If you call me that because I don't accept people's lame excuses for breaking the law, so be it.

Nemesis

It's because you abdicate your thinking to your overlords rather than acting as a capable free individual.

Informed

I am sure the three people that died today would rather be considered a wuss than be dead.
And I'm not a wuss. I just believe in obeying the law.

m-ville123

Well obviously! Do you think all the other drivers involved in that wreck were arrested? Doubt it.

ladydye_5

Snow levels do not apply to the Turnpike. Unless the state patrol CLOSED the turnpike (which it did not till after the accident) those people were ALLOWED to be driving on it.

Informed

All work places have water, otherwise they are breaking the law. And yes, that means going without food for a few hours, leaving the kids at the sitter for a few more hours, and letting out and feeding the dog a few hours later.

Stop It

Do you run and hide when the tornado alarms sound off?

Informed

I go to my basement. Close enough to one that I don't take my chances.

Stop It

Figured as much.

Informed

I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I am going to take it as a compliment that I am smart enough and prepared enough to know what to do in emergency situations. When we have a tornado warning, one is supposed to go to a safe place. Common sense 101.

m-ville123

What if it stays a level 3 until tomorrow then? Should i just sleep on the concrete shop floor? I do suppose i could drink the water out of the bathroom tap, but nah i think I'm just going to drive home because I grew up in Ohio and know how to drive safely when it snows.

m-ville123

You have no clue about the law. I wonder why my mail ran today. That's a government job and they certainly aren't emergency personnel. You should call them tomorrow and let them know about the snow emergency levels. Maybe you can confuse them also, as you blubber false information. I wonder if the post office puts water in the vehicles for the delivery drivers. Nah the delivery drivers probably have to bring there own water just like a thousand other jobs out there.

KnuckleDragger

LOL. Yeah the level 3 didn't stop the mailman or the UPS guy from delivering the auto part I ordered yesterday.

O Really

Wow.....Clearly you don't have kids....if my county declares a level 3...I am leaving work! My kids are not gonna be left with a daycare for hours or overnight.

Restless1

I drove from Huron to the Cancer Center on 101 for radiation therapy. I handled Rt 2 under 40 MPH. White knuckles-yes. 4wd helped but experienced driving was a must.

just plain disgusted

Healthcare and first responders do "have" to go to work and our employers do tell us the bans do not apply to us.

UK

Informed...get real!!! Apparently you DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING! Healthcare workers are exempt from the law during level 3! Fortunately people like you would have someone there to take care of them even during a level 3. So therefore for people like you who would prob be the first to file a law suit...nurses cannot work continuously. So therefore people need to go to and from work!!!

A Young Adult's...

Correct, Informed is way off base. Level 3 means that you should not be driving for any reason, we get it. However, not everyone has sympathetic or understanding bosses. Some people just need to get to work, no matter the weather. I have no issues with them and admire their dedication. I do have issues with people who drive carelessly in foul weather, though.

I have lived in Ohio my whole life and not until this winter have I heard anything concerning Level 1-3 emergencies. Why is this?

Stop It

They had the level system when I was a kid and they stopped it later because people were confused. They've only recently started it again, because of instant notification.

Informed

You don't need a sympathetic or understanding boss. You need to stand up for what the law requests and not be bullied by a boss or company that doesn't care if you die.

KnuckleDragger

See how far standing up for that law does when your boss gives you walking papers and you can't feed your family. It's apparent you are a stay at home mommy with little experience in the working world. You are truly...Misinformed.

Informed

Yes, I already said that in a previous post, UK. Obviously you don't read. I said doctors and nurses that work in hospitals are considered emergency personnel.

Dr. Information

What about janitors, front office staff, x ray technicians? Hospitals do not run just on doctors and nurses.

doctorsRdrugdealer

informed in most places u are correct. There is a lot of jobs that don't care, so they break the law by firing you, what does that mean your unemployment a go thru?! Semi also pass thru the way our weather works it can be bad here and 20miles down the road there's nothing but open sky. R.I.P. to those that lost there life's today working a job to support their family's!

bigjdawg

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Informed

And all you have to do is contact a lawyer. You will not be punished at work.

KnuckleDragger

Ohio is an "at will" employment state. Unless you are part of a union contract they can fire you for any reason or no reason at all. A lawyer will tell you the same thing. Only firing due to discrimination is exempt from at will employment law. Call a lawyer, they'll tell you the same thing.

LifeIsShort

I thought it was against Ohio law to punish (point) an employee who does not come to work because of weather? Does anyone know the answer definitively? It is also my understanding hourly employees will not be paid and for many folks in this part of the state a missed days wage is not an option as people are barely scraping by as it is. So many people are driving in level 3 situations to feed their families.

Informed

And many are not.

Darkhorse

If people don't have enough sense to lay low with weather the way it is, then the State Highway Patrol should shut the roadways down.

phroggy

I was coming home from work at 5 o' clock well aware there was a level 3. I have a very capable 4 wheel drive truck and as always, drove cautiously to get where I was going. Two idiots in Honda Accords or similar were stuck in the snow right in the middle of the road across from Sawmill Creek. Are you kidding me? No, I refuse to help dig you out. You had NO business driving anywhere in a vehicle like that.

Nemesis

I always kept a tow strap in my truck when I had a truck, and was happy to pull people out.

Afterward some offered me money, others drove off without so much as a thank you. I always contented myself in the knowledge I had done a good deed.

beepx22

@informed yes your company can make you report to work in a level 3

Informed

No they cannot. A company or boss cannot overrule the Sheriff's Dept.

beepx22

LEVEL 3: All roadways are closed to non-emergency personnel. No one should be out during these conditions unless it is absolutely necessary to travel. All employees should contact their employer to see if they should report to work. Those traveling on the All employees should contact their employer to see if they should report to work. roadways may subject themselves to arrest.

All employees should contact their employer to see if they should report to work.

All employees should contact their employer to see if they should report to work.

All employees should contact their employer to see if they should report to work.

m-ville123

Haha he still wont understand.

O Really

Informed must be an attorney. He knows everything!!!!!

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Spy

I don't understand why he is so committed to spreading misinformation. I personally think employers shouldn't require employees to report to work at a Level 3. I am sure he supports that as well. But as the law stands, that just isn't the case.

phroggy

Employers forcing their employees to travel in unsafe conditions can be subject to a lawsuit if the employee being forced were to injure or be injured en route to their job. Generally, employers who have a mild case of morals and at least half a brain that isn't focused on the almighty dollar will agree and just let you stay home.

Dr. Information

@O Really. No, even an attorney would know when to stop. Informed is just a babbling fool.

KnuckleDragger

No, just a bored stay at home mommy who knows not the working world.

Informed

That's not what the Erie Co. sheriff's website states.

MyThoughts

Some peoples comments are so ignorant. It's frustrating to read them sometimes. While I agree, there are plenty of people on roadways that do not need to be what about those caught up in it? I left work before it was a level 3.... headed home, and it was upgraded to level 3 while I was on the road. So what - pull off the road and wait it out? Right. Believe me driving in a whiteout is no fun, quite scary actually. Unfortunately we can't cancel "work" every time there is a winter weather system coming. This winter we would have been home half the winter. So while I agree, some do not stay home when they need to, there's always some - most of us likely would have preferred to NOT have been on the roadways at 1:30 or 2 this afternoon when it was a complete whiteout!

Many thoughts and prayers to the families affected by the accident today on the turnpike as well as the many other people who are still stranded out there. Offer positive thoughts for those affected by this today and less about throwing stones at those who were out driving because it was a "level 3"

Informed

I am not saying to cancel work every time there is a storm. There have been two Level 3's here this winter. Most winters there aren't any. We aren't talking about a frequent occurrence.

MyThoughts

Perhaps Erie Co only went to a level 3 twice. Or wherever you're from.... however several surrounding counties have been at a level 3 more than twice. Don't get me wrong, I agree with the fact people need to stay off the roadways, but you can't assume that just because there is a level 3 declared nobody has to be on a road. Like I said, I was midway home when the they went to level 3 today, what do the people do who are out in it? Simply stated some people have to get from point A to point B.

I think Lucas County has really gotten it right this winter in declaring level 3 status earlier in several cases. This prevents people from leaving in the first place. I wish more counties would follow suit and in turn help keep people off the roads allowing the emergency vehicles and personnel to do their jobs more effectively.

Informed

Well since this is the Sandusky Register site and Sandusky is in Erie County, yes I am referring to Erie County. I don't think Huron, Ottawa, or Sandusky counties have had more than two or three Level 3's.

m-ville123

Huron county has had 4 level 3's so far.

Dr. Information

Informed, wrong again.

KnuckleDragger

MISinformed

worddrow811

You may also want to check your insurance/towing policy if you don't have triple a. They won't necessarily pay for a tow truck if you are violating the level three conditions and if you have a crash, well, just check before you need it.

foundmyway

As a former OTR truck driver, I know first hand that no one is forced to work in a snow emergency. If an employer is penalizing his or her employees for not coming in to work, and the job this employer represents is not qualified as an emergency service, THAT employer is breaking the law. Many people can be coerced into doing what they know they should not be doing. Instead of going to work fearing my boss, I have learned to fear the weather more. No job is worth dying over (unless in service to this country!)

Informed

Exactly! But people try to justify and rationalize their actions.

Nemesis

found, cite the statute.

foundmyway

Informed seems reasonable.

Nemesis

Informed simply can't conceive of the government ever being wrong.

atroublemaker

Level 3 is not an absolute ban or marshal law & would probably be found unconstitutional if challenged.
People do have the right to go to work, you would know this if you if you saw an area sheriff make this statement on the local news.
The method of announcing the weather level advisories is so poor & people traveling through the affected areas have very little chance of knowing the area is under an advisory.

Get a clue people!

slightthroat212

some of these drivers are not residents of this county or near by counties, they are out of state drivers just passing through. They may not understand "level 3" driving conditions, but do understand bad weather driving. They do understand that they have a job to do and just wanted to get it done. Bad weather has no master and ofter takes even the best of drivers. Collisons such as these are terrible. They take lives and just keep going such as these did. Ice, white outs and other such terrible monsters within storms take no prisoners, they just take lives and with no consideration for anyone. Worrying about levels is the least of ones problems in cases such as this. My prayers go out to those who lost loved ones in these cases and to the injured....my prayers for your safe recoveries.

Stop It

"Under a Level 3, roadways are closed to all non-emergency travel due to extremely hazardous conditions. No one should be on the roadway unless it is absolutely essential to travel or a personal emergency exisits. Contact your employer to determine if you should report to work. Those operating vehicles on the roadway for non-emergency reasons may be subject to arrest."

Informed

Read the Erie Co. Sheriff's website.

Stop It

No. I'll go by state guidelines. State trumps county.

KURTje

Since the turnpikes were based on the Autobahn, so too should rigid Autobahn Laws apply to the turnpike. Careless, inattentive & lazy drivers cause accidents for others.

Lawyerintraining

@informed..... Let me INFORM YOU OF THE RULES... Better yet I'll let you look them up and R E A D...I T...S L O W...S O...Y O U....U N D E R S T A N D...T H E M!!!!! http://www.weathersafety.ohio.gov OH!! The call a lawyer yea NOT!!!! Way to many loop holes in the Level 3 YES.. Years ago an employer had to listen but when they started loosing work time they threw a fit and it is now totally up the your place of employment..if they are open and say you have to work then give yourself plenty of time to get where you need to be safely...BOTTOM LINE

Informed

Go to the Erie Co. Sheriff's website.

Stop It

No. I'll go by state state guidelines. State trumps county.

downthemiddle

I am from Alaska... working on the Davis Besse repair. I was pulled over today and was told sternly that it was "Level 3"... I said OK... how many more levels have ya got?

The officer was not amused.

The numbering system is backwards..... FIX IT !!!

Nemesis

I was leaving Big Bear in CA during a snowstorm, and everyone was pulling over and putting chains on. I didn't have any. If a CHP had stopped me and asked me where my chains were, I'd point to where it said OHIO on my license and say that's my chains. The conditions were maybe 5th percentile of my daily winter commute.

Informed can't even conceive trusting one's own judgement over that of our enlightened government masters.

jager5

For the "know it alls", if your place of employment is governed by the government you are exempt and are required to report to work. The employer will pay fines if you are ticketed, but it is still a person choice where safety is a concern. But no one has the right to beat down someone who reported to work before the conditions turned, and I can promise you that I don't like my job enough to stay there and not be with my family.

thirtysomething

Norwalk Reflector just did an article about this last month. Please read... This is the article's title "Sheriff's spokesman: Driving under Level 3 is between you and your boss" (Search it) I realize this is from the Huron co. Sheriff, but I'm guessing surrounding counties treat level 3's pretty much the same way.

Informed

Nope, read Erie Co. Sheriff's website.

Bellevue44811

Since you are so good at replying to everyone's posts, why don't you just post what the Erie Co. Sheriff's website says.

ladydye_5

You do realize that the Sheriff only controls the COUNTY. That would be the roads in HIS/HER county. State, county, township, municipal roads in their county. Interstate and the Turnpike are NOT included. They have NO control over those. They cannot keep you off of those. You can also BE fired for not showing up to work. Ohio is an AT WILL employment state. You can be FIRED for ANY reason.

http://www.weathersafety.ohio.go...
notice level 3 say to contact your employer (you keep saying that is for level 2)

Stop It

No. I'll go by state state guidelines. State trumps county.

KnuckleDragger

Erie treats it the same way as Huron Co. does. They will only give warnings, no tickets have been issued for driving under a level 3 in Erie Co. This from an Erie Co. deputy. You can read the website til your eyes pop out of your head, it doesn't change the facts.

Truth or Dare

Mother Nature's vengeance isn't anything to scoff at, as she'll chew you up and spit you out!

Thoughts and prayers are with those who lost their loved one's on our highways today, as well with Trooper Clouser and his family.

Hometown 44811

While everyone is aware this accident happened on the turnpike, no one has mentioned that the turnpike is exempt from Level 3.

Informed

True, but people have to travel other roads to get to the turnpike, and I can guarantee you that not all of those people got to it in areas that were not Level 3.

Nemesis

There are, at most, 2 turnpike interchanges, out of more than a dozen, that are in the level 3 areas.

I guess you slept through geography class.

Amythe K

People! Stay off the turnpike in bad weather! Its the worst! A big thank you to those super troopers out at the Milan post..they are a bunch of great guys n girls who work hard keeping us safe everyday.

worddrow811

Perhaps we need to return to the boy scout theory of being prepared. We know it's winter, one might get stranded or stuck somewhere and have food and water, blankets and extra clothes in the vehicles. Oh wait, that would require common sense. Prayers to the families of those who died today, three deaths in a level three.

Informed

Don't tell some people that. They equate being prepared and safety-conscious as being a wuss.

m-ville123

Here's what it says on the Erie county website Level 3 - Roadways are closed to all non-emergency travel due to extremely hazardous conditions. No one should be on the roadway unless it is absolutely essential to travel. Those operating vehicles on the roadway for non-emergency reasons may be subject to arrest. NO ONE SHOULD BE ON THE ROADWAY UNLESS IT IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO TRAVEL. Which would include WORK for those people who cant afford to miss days. The world should not and does not stand still when it snows around here.

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m-ville123

I am purely only talking about driving during a level 3 for work purposes. Not for driving to get movies or beer and pretzels. Of course in some cases needing beer can be considered a emergency.

Nemesis

No, but you see being prepared, self-reliant, and capable as criminal.

paco69

I just hope that there are no more fatalities and that everyone stuck out here is doing alright.

Gardenman

I don't think most people who are out on the road are there joy riding...maybe some but not the vast majority. I had a job where it was early to be called due to weather and I could stay home with pay. That I know was not the case for many people. For many its work or lose pay and they have to do what they do. For them I always hope they make it there safely and back home without injury.

WaterStreetCooncat

What about radio/tv station employees? U.S Mail? Will a government Post Office vehicle be pulled over for delivering mail? How about newspaper employees? Gas station employees (police cars need to gas up!) What about the City employee who just got off work from salting/plowing the roads? They are not emergency personel.

Stop It

Informed says OBEY ECSO!! Informed needs to find new thoughts.

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