Fed up with Congress?

Better look in the mirror — we're the ones who sent polarized politicians to Washington
Associated Press
Oct 20, 2013

Hey, fed-up Americans, here's a scary thought after the dispiriting spectacle of the government shutdown: You're the ones who sent these members of Congress to Washington, and they really are a reflection of you.

For all the complaints about Washington, it was American groupthink that produced divided government in the past two elections and a Congress that has been tied in knots lately.

John Adams, who would become the country's second president, wrote in 1776 that legislators "should be in miniature an exact portrait of the people at large."

More than 200 years later, members of the current entangled House "are probably a very accurate reflection of how their constituents feel," says Ross Baker, a Rutgers University political scientist.

Not that people are ready to take ownership of the failings of their representatives.

"Of course not," says Baker. "It's a completely dissociative view of American politics — that somehow there are these grasping, corrupt, tone-deaf politicians in Washington who are totally unconnected to the caring and attentive, compassionate person" that an individual voter has elected to Congress.

With the government now powering back up to full speed and the next budget crisis pushed off at least until January, there is no shortage of speculation about whether voters will retaliate in the 2014 elections against lawmakers for this fall's budget impasse. A lot depends on how the next year goes.

President Barack Obama is expressing hope that the same spirit that ultimately produced a deal to end the shutdown and avert default will allow the country to make progress on other issues such as improving the immigration system.

"If we disagree on something, we can move on and focus on the things we agree on, and get some stuff done," Obama said Thursday.

But the president acknowledged difficulties ahead, what with the challenges of divided government and pressures from the political extremes.

"And," Obama added, "let's face it. The American people don't see every issue the same way."

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, has pledged to continue GOP efforts to "stop the train wreck" that he calls the president's health law.

For now at least, public sentiment toward Obama, congressional leaders and Congress in general is grim.

Nearly three-quarters of voters want to see most members of Congress defeated, a much higher level than at the same point prior to the 2006 and 2010 elections in which control of the House changed hands, according to the Pew Research Center. Also, Pew reports, the share of voters who want to see their own representative replaced is as high as it's been in two decades, at 38 percent.

Republican pollster David Winston says it's particularly notable that voters of all stripes are increasingly saying that the country is headed in the wrong direction.

In a recent Associated Press-GfK poll, 22 percent of those surveyed said the country was heading in the right direction and 78 percent said the wrong direction. That's a pretty stark change from shortly after Obama's re-election last fall, when 42 percent said right direction and 50 percent said wrong direction.

"One of the things that tells you is that the public is paying very close attention," says Winston. "The challenge for everybody — this is true for both parties — is to understand that every word they're saying is being listened to closely."

Yet for all of the public's grousing about polarized politicians, the voters themselves are deeply divided, too. They sort themselves geographically and ideologically. Congressional district boundaries are drawn to accentuate those political divisions.

When legislators answer to such solidly Republican or Democratic constituencies, they are more prone to engage in divisive antics such as those seen in recent weeks.

"We really are a red and blue nation," says Brookings Institution scholar Thomas Mann. "We separate ourselves. We tend to associate with people who think like we do."

The result, he says, is "more and more separation of Democrats and Republicans with distinctive sets of values and world views and then an attachment — almost a tribalistic attachment — to party that leads them to accept whatever the party position seems to be."

Winston thinks voters still have an expectation, though, that their legislators can find a way to both represent their constituents' views and effectively govern.

"It's not so much polarization, it's just that there are real differences of opinion," he says. "How do you work through that and create policy that both sides feel is moving things forward?"

Democratic pollster Peter Hart, too, thinks people still expect their legislators to find constructive solutions to the country's problems. He expects them to make that clear in the 2014 elections.

Says Hart: "My guess is that overall, there will be more change, more volatility, because this manufactured crisis made voters lose faith in the system and recognize that it just did not have to happen."

 

Comments

Contango

Pres. Obama:

"Let's face it. The American people don't see every issue the same way."

Wow! What a profound grasp of the glaringly obvious.

American politics can be acrimonious? Who knew?

He probably only has his college records sealed because he doesn't want to embarrass us by revealing what a genius he 'really' is.

Centauri

"You're the ones who sent these members of Congress to Washington, and they really are a reflection of you."

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"wrote in 1776 that legislators "should be in miniature an exact portrait of the people at large."

The end result of the 2012 election was 51% to 47%, this was no landslide so it shows the people in this country are almost equally divided. I guess you can expect what is going on in DC.

The Big Dog's back

Funny when they thought Rmoney was going to barely win, they were calling it a landslide.

deertracker

All the money spent to defeat the President and they still only got 47%! What a waste!

Smcc Student

Actually, the R's only spent 6.3 million dollars more than the D's. http://elections.nytimes.com/201...

shucks

They spent more then , didn't they ? And the Dems spent less and won.

AJ Oliver

This article is deeply disengenuous in promoting the "false equivalence" meme. It carefully refrains from noting that the American people blame the GOP & Teabaggers FAR more than they do the dems - as well they should. That omission by AP just has to be deliberate. And in arguing that "we" sent the reps to Congress, the article avoids the issue of unfettered money in elections caused by the Supreme Court's Citizens United and other decisions. Further, the ideological gerrymandering has been done by the GOP (as in Ohio), not the Dems to any degree. Finally, only the GOP is willing to deliberately harm the country (costing tens of billions and hundreds of thousands of jobs) by threatening default since 2011. The REAL problem is that the voters have sent to Washington people whose goal is to destroy the government. I hope the voters have learned their lesson !! And, you really cannot trust AP.

The Big Dog's back

The right wingnuts always try to equivocate the Dems and Repubs. The Repubs want legislation that hurts people while the Dems want legislation to help people. Only in a right wingnut mind. It's about time the far right media moves back to the center.

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2cents

http://www.businessinsider.com/m...

And the left nuts seem to be taking a hit for their extremist news creating rather than reporting!

coasterfan

Wow, AJ and Bog Dog hit the nail right on the head. 100% agree.

Contango

Re: "hit the nail right on the head."

Pres. Obama, Feb, 5, 2008:

"We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek."

Keep waitin' and keep seekin', 'cause not everyone is EVER gonna agree with you and your love of Statism.

Better be funding for gulags and re-education camps.

Licorice Schtick

As usual, if you don't agree with Contango, you're a commie

thinkagain

Brutus – Your sesquipedalian usage of the word equivocate has triggered an attack of my hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia. What happened, someone bought you a dictionary?

Truth2u

just like a Dog in thinking that constantly being fed 'treats' from others labors is smart, DUH!

Amazing how you equate stealing from others as being helpful to those receiving the booty.

Smcc Student

@BIGDOG

Over the past two years this blog has made my blood boil over reading these name calling comments made by everyone. They are not wingnuts.. Try to be respectful here. That goes for all of the other bloggers on this site, im not trying to sound bias.

Finally, to answer your ignorant assumption. You are incorrect. We Repubs are not trying to hurt anyone. We are trying to protect the American people from a law that is very costly. This law really hurts small business as well.

Further more, I do support health care. BUT I do not support Obama-Care. I do not think that it is feasible for the common man to be able to afford this, especially with rising premiums. We need to balance the budget before we consider health care. No where in the constitution does it say that "Gov. has to supply universal health care". It is not their duty. Cut Spending, cut taxes for small business, reform welfare, reform SS, call home the troops, and fix our domestic problems before going to other countries and attempting to solve theirs.

The Big Dog's back

So you're a Repub with Repub ideas. I disagree.

Contango

Re: "The REAL problem is that the voters have sent to Washington people whose goal is to destroy the government."

So the antithesis of this statement would be:

“The REAL problem is that the voters have sent to Washington people whose goal is to” expand the intrusiveness and onerousness of the government.

Let us remember together the words from 2003 of St. Hillary:

"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration."

coasterfan

Wasn't it Republicans who made Our government bigger by adding the new, huge Dept. of Homeland Security during the Bush Administration? Isn't the steadily increasing Defense Budget, advocated by Republicans, the best example of Big Government? The answer to both questions is "Yes".

It turns out that the GOP is only against "big government" when it means providing funding for things they don't support. Hypocrisy, thy name is Grand Old Party.

Contango

Re: "adding the new, huge Dept. of Homeland Security."

And no Dems supported the above?

Instead, Pres. Obama has expanded it and the NDAA, while publicly defending the onerous NSA.

Pot, kettle, black.

The Big Dog's back

So if one Dem votes for a bad Repub idea it's the Dem's fault when it turns to sheet? Really?

Truth2u

and wasn't it Obama that increased it and is still increasing it, Google NSA and look at what they built and how much they have spent. Obama has added 10's of thousands of IRS agents, Homeland security agents etc etc. Look at Port CLinton, built under Obama and half those workers I see playing games in their cars, some parked in that so dangerous Huron park waiting for a ship load of terrorists to come in and blow up the town ! Wow, I feel so much safer when I see them sitting in their new SUV's that Obama bought them.

Dr. Information

coasterfan owned again. Dude, are you tired of being owned yet. Do some research first.

coasterfan

My point was that Democrats don't deny that we occasionally make government bigger. We just think it's silly for conservatives to complain about it, since they quite obviously are just as guilty.

When a person trapped inside the GOP bubble of alternate reality thinks I lost an argument, I take that a confirmation that I am on the right track.

Shouldn't your name be Dr. MisInformation?

shucks

That's what I call him , Miss Information.

deertracker

Agreed!

SamAdams

The government SHOULD be destroyed, at least large parts of it. If we got rid of every extraneous (read "not the constitutional purview of government") program, we wouldn't have a debt. We'd have a hefty national surplus.

Does the GOP have all the answers? It used to be closer, but even years ago, it didn't. Do the Dems have the answers? Not unless the question is "how do we make government as big, as expensive, and as intrusive as possible?"

The only way to fix ANYthing is to stop demanding government fix EVERYthing. It hasn't. It won't. And it CAN'T.

Traditional meme: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Government meme: "If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it is."

The Big Dog's back

The Repub meme is that all politicians are the same, and since they all are the same, vote Repubs in.

Truth2u

Dog, it was the Democrats that brought the blacks into this country, sold them into slavery, BOUGHT them at the slave market, started the KKK and you have the nerve to say the Democrats try to help others. Martin Luther King Jr knew better than that and stated that he could never vote for the Democratic ticket. You probably make excuses for Senator Byrd who was a high ranking member of the KKK!
Your either ignorant of these things or are seriously missing some essential necessities upstairs, or you just like receiving stolen goods in the form of taxation of others so you personally don't have to work.

Darwin's choice

I'll go with: "seriously missing some essential necessities upstairs" for the win!

santown419

And now it is the republicans who want to embrace and go back to the Jim crow laws. The dems decided to change in order to survive. Many left the dems because they were going away from this belief. Now it is repub who embrace the same beliefs they keep trying to blame dems for. If Martin was alive I'm sure he would not be a repub.

SamAdams

Please provide links and/or other references that prove there's a movement of one or more Republicans in Congress lobbying for Jim Crow laws. I won't hold my breath...

Truth2u

Are you turning blue yet Sam?

coasterfan

I haven't heard of anything on this, either, Sam. On the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me if any one of a number of rightwing groups (TeaParty, NRA) lobbied for this. Practically every day, someone from one of those groups says something that 80% of Americans thinks is reprehensible or unbelievable.

coasterfan

Have to agree. There is absolutely no way that MLK would be any but a Democrat if he were alive today. Republicans, by definition, are against civil rights/equal rights of all shapes and sizes. From race, to sexual orientation, to income inequality, and a host of other issues, they are always found on the team fighting implementation of equal rights. So, it's hard to imagine MLK being on their team.

coasterfan

In the mid-19th century, Democrats were the conservatives. In other words, today's Republicans would have been Democrats. Bigotry didn't change from one party to the other. It stayed with whichever party was more conservative.

Truth2u

YELLOW JOURNALISM is why the public votes the way it does! So typical for the liberal press to blame the public which acts upon the reports from the news agencies who deliberately manipulate the news, usually by not reporting ALL the facts but only those that shore up their personal political positions.
Google YELLOW JOURNALISM or go to the link and learn how the press has and continues to manipulate society with their distortions, lies, loaded forms of questions that can’t be answered honestly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yel...
Newspaper titan Hurst stated that 'if you give me the pictures ( of the sunken USS Maine) I'll give you the war!" Spain never attacked us but the newspapers influence caused us to go to war and over 58,000 people died because of the NEWSPAPERS LIES, and PEOPLE STILL BOUGHT and continue to by his papers~!

Hurst was directly connected to the Democratic party through Pulitzer. So if someone needs to look in the mirror I would start with them! Its obvious they STILL refuse to print everything necessary to establish a position on Obama and the people who are ignorant will continue to read and believe those who historically have caused the murders of 10’s of thousands and call the ones who know better names.

Award winning publicist Seymour Hersh, when speaking about many in his reporting professions stated: “It’s pathetic, they are more than obsequious… we lie about everything. Lying has become the staple."
We all learned in high school social science that oligarchies control populations with three key areas:

1. Government in order to manage laws and enforcement.
2. Creating what is used for money for their own riches and to pay minions.
3. Media propaganda to “cover” these crimes.

Centauri

"YELLOW JOURNALISM is why the public votes the way it does!"

The corporate owned news media doesn't report the news. They "create" the news by holding back (hiding) the truth and reporting on hearsay. You can use the corporate news as a guide but research and find the truth on alternative news online sites. I use wikipedia as a guide and research the topic in more detail on the internet.

The corporate owned news media helps start wars based on lies (false flags). They also pick the candidates for you to vote into office. The news media will not give any exposure to more honest and qualified candidates.

The corporate owned news media ignored Dennis Kucinich and made him appear like a fool. When Kucinch was mayor of Cleveland, Ohio, he refused to give business to the mobsters. Do you ever wonder why politicians become rich once they are in office?

Like him or hate him, Kucinich will not take money for special favors.

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/p...
Estimated wealth $33,504 in 2010

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/...
Met worth Rank: 429th in House

http://www.columbiacountyobserve...
Kucinich: American Wealth Stolen - Political Theater Diverts Attention

http://therealnews.com/t2/index....
Kucinich: Obama Admin Transferring Wealth to the Few

Truth2u

why repeat what the definition of Yellow Journalism is.
And no one needs to make Kucinich look like a fool, he bankrupted Cleveland! I detest Kucinich, hes a Socialist and 30% of his votes came from Socialists, being an American who believes in freedom I consider Kucinich and his followers treasonous.

Contango

In most polls that I've read over the yrs. regarding Congressional members, one conclusion has tended to be a constant:

Throw out all those "bums," but I like my representative.

I've got a suspicion that it's much the same now and would be confirmatory of this article.

wowbagger

"The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents – #43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic." B. Obama
It is great that he said this because it shows the hypocrisy of the admin and those in charge, Let alone those who flip flop to support the admin.
BTW The Debt is now at 17 trillion, That's 8 trillion more than when Bush left.

SamAdams

Was Senator Barack Obama right? It pains me to admit he's ever been right about ANYthing, but yes. He was dead right.

Is President Barack Obama a blatant hypocrite: Oh, yeah...and to an extent that defies adjectives.

How can you progressives castigate Bush (and I'm not going to argue with you there) and PRAISE Obama? Everything Bush did Obama has done an order of magnitude bigger and badder. Are you prepared to admit you're as much a hypocrite as your idol-in-chief? Or are you too racist yourselves to admit that criticism isn't racist when it's well deserved?

coasterfan

Sam. Really? Has Uneployment grown under Obama? No, it's gotten smaller. Has the deficit grown under Obama? No, it's gotten smaller. Has a new recession occurred under Obama, one that is worse than the one we experience under Bush. No. I'll take a slowly improving economy over the train wreck Bush gave us.

What color is the sky in on the planet where you live?

Centauri

How about some truthful internet links to back up your comments? Internet links give comments more credence. Otherwise, comments are only opinions not based on truthful facts.

deertracker

@Centauri
Really?

santown419

To much TV if its on the internet it has to be true.

Contango

Re: "Has Uneployment (sp) grown under Obama?"

"McJobs"

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Re: "Has the deficit grown under Obama?"

Sequestration - At which he "kicked and screamed" and the Dems want re-funded.

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Re: "Has a new recession occurred under Obama,one that is worse than the one we experience under Bush"

Rhetorical question. However, the economy is sluggish and ONLY with the help of the Fed. Resv. is it limping along.

Fed. Chair Greenspan in an interview for his new book states that NO ONE, not even the Fed with it's economic tools saw the coming of the financial crisis.

"The Federal Reserve has got the most elaborate econometric model, which incorporates all the newfangled models of how the world works—and it missed it completely."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB...

Even then Fed Chair Bernanke said that sub-prime could be contained.

To "pin it" solely on Pres. Bush is nonsensical.

You continue to spew Progressive talking points without documentation.

Pterocarya frax...

"Fed. Chair Greenspan in an interview for his new book states that NO ONE, not even the Fed with it's economic tools saw the coming of the financial crisis."

Bulloney! Even I saw it coming. If you didn't see it coming, you are a moron.

Contango

Re: "If you didn't see it coming, you are a moron."

So when's the next one Carnac?

BTW, Thursday, 17 May 2007:

"Mortgage defaults unlikely to hurt economy, Bernanke says"

http://www.startribune.com/busin...

Pterocarya frax...

I prefer to follow the prognostications of Krugman, not Carnac, since a study a couple years ago showed Krugman to be the most accurate prognosticator.

But while we are at it, here are a few economists that saw the crash coming:

Nouriel Roubini, Robert Schiller, Peter Schiff, Kenneth Rogoff, Meredith Whitney, Stephen Roach, and let us not forget the 8 senators that voted against repealing Glass Steagal, since that was a major factor leading to the collapse. Those 8 (7 are democrats) were Byron Dorgan, Barbara Boxer, Barbara Mikulski, Richard Shelby, Tom Harkin, Richard Bryan, and Russ Feingold.

Contango

SO many mkt. "geniuses" in retrospect.

"repealing Glass Steagal (sp)"

Can't spell "Glass-Steagall" but YOU knew the month, day and the nature of the financial crisis. LOL.

BTW, "St. Paul" asked for a housing bubble.

Mr. Krugman: "And to do that, as Paul McCulley of Pimco put it, Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble."

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/0...

Answer the question:

So when's the next one Carnac?

Pterocarya frax...

Well thank goodness that one keystroke you saved by abbreviating market gave you enough time to spell check my posting, and prove your great intellectual superiority over all liberals. Just think how many keystrokes you would have saved if you had used the historically more accurate plural of genius.

Sorry, no Carnac's here...just an honest, hard working American that believes in the role of government to help create an even playing field for everyone. But my prediction for the next crash is soon after Americans are stupid enough to elect Republicans into majority rule of the executive branch, House, and Senate for 6 years running, just like the last time around.

Contango

Re: "But my prediction for the next crash"

Too vague like ALL Mkt. timing know-it-alls and therefore USELESS.

If you KNEW the causes and the timing of the last one, how is that you don't know the hows, whys and whens of the next one Carnac?

BTW: The tech wreck which Lord Krugman was writing about began in Mar. 2000. Who was POTUS Carnac?

shucks

@ contango

This is what your posts sound like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x...

Darwin's choice

Still polishing turds, eh troll? I'd like to see some backup to your statements also........good luck!

Dr. Information

Might as well start printing those 1 trillion dollar platinum coins. What a joke of an idea.

mikesee

You have fallen hook line and sinker coaster. The deficit has actually increased under the Obama administration. Fool's I say.

santown419

What's up with you and this racist garbage. The only people anyone calls racist is the ones who have no problem calling Obama a monkey, animal, tries to call him a food stamp president etc. You make good points but this false news rush Limbaugh talking point is getting outrageous.

Dr. Information

food stamp president is now racist? that's assuming that most people getting food stamps are black.

mikesee

Food stamps have more than doubled under the Obama administration. The same can be said for those receiving SSI.

To call Obama the "food stamp president" is wrong. He should be called the "entitlement president" as he has increased ALL entitlement funding. Obama is setting up the dems nicely by making those who recieve entitlements "slaves" to him and his party.

coasterfan

That may be ending, Contango. An article in today'sToledo newspaper quotes a number of Bowling Green businessmen. These are people who, in the past, were vehemence Bob Latta supporters. After Latta and Jordan voted with the TeaParty minority during the final shutdown vote, every one of the businessmen were asked for their comments on Latta's vote. To a man, they all replied "No comment".

Many conservatives are starting to realize the the conservative media provides a biased picture. Fox and others cited supposed pre-election bias in the "liberal media" with Obama-Romney polls, and the polls proved to be exactly right. The Fox/Rove coverage on election night were also telling.

The Republican Party is defined most by their inability to perceive what is actually happening, and the comments by conservatives here are certainly indicative of that. Life inside the bubble...

Contango

@ coasterfan:

In political terms, Nov. 2014 is an eternity away and for most, this "dust up" will be history.

deertracker

You mean the "beatdown" the Cons took?

shucks

The Repugnants are going to get more beatdowns.

Truth2u

Just this week the headlines on Drudgereport.com

"U.S. debt jumps a record $328 billion — tops $17 trillion for first time"

The Democrats stated that legislation needs to be 'clean', that is with NO STRINGS ATTACHED> How many banks would make loans with that mentality? No wonder we're in trouble, we have a bunch of libtards who can't understand simple math. Maybe next year Obama will follow Oprah and give EVERYONE a new car with no strings attached, or to use the words of the Democrats, keep the car give away 'clean'

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2cents

Only thing left would be car-bon credits LOL : )

coasterfan

Ah yes, the Drudge Report... Bringing you "news" from inside the conservative bubble...

Contango

Re: "Ah yes, the Drudge Report..."

And THIS from someone who listens to Bill Maher and the Comedy Channel.

The "source" doesn't change the FACTS.

The Big Dog's back

The source doesn't changed the facts? You actually said that? ROFLMFAO!

Contango

Re: "The source doesn't changed the facts?"

So the fed debt would be less than $17T if Bill Maher said it?

Dr. Information

Big Dog wouldn't know a fact if it crawled into his mouth and came out in his poop.

Centauri

http://www.naturalnews.com/03241...
"Are you a Sheeple? Take the Sheeple Quiz and find out"

Become an informed voter. Research the candidates who you send to Congress.

shucks

Is there a quiz to find out if I'm a conspiracy therorist ?

Darwin's choice

Sorry,no. But you do win the eternal azzhat award....goes without saying!

shucks

I have martial arts training too ,Centuri , LOTS .

KURTje

In Huron County only 15% of voting populace exercised their right to vote. If other counties in America are similar, this is why we got the government we deserve.

Dr. Information

That is because 50% are either tied up in the court system for drugs and the remaining 35% just don't care because they are getting handouts.

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AMENDMENT XXVIII

Section I.
No person may serve more than twelve years as a member of Congress, whether such service is exclusively in the House or the Senate, or combined in both houses.

Section II.
Upon ratification of this article, any incumbent member of Congress whose term exceeds the twelve year limit shall complete the current term but thereafter shall be ineligible for further service as a member of Congress.
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Simple. Efficient. Non-partisan. Ensures better representation of all the people no matter where they live or which party affiliation (if any) to which they subscribe. It will allow more thoughts, ideas, and passions to enter the legislative arena instead of having it being a festering cyst of pet projects, long-term grudges, and GOBs.

For more on this, here's a ten minute video that does a good job of explaining even further.

http://youtu.be/3WPg1OJP9x8

SamAdams

I like it! Added bonus: When most in Congress have to actually go back to the REAL world and have REAL jobs after their term, the laws they pass will apply to them and theirs. And THAT means we'll see a little more reason and a little less authoritarianism coming out of the Capitol Building for a change. How refreshing would THAT be?

grumpy

Could we also make it impossible for former Congressmen to be lobbyists, or work for companies that lobby Congress? Might just as well get ahead of the curve on the stampede that will happen if that Amendment ever gets passed. It would make many current, former Congressmen unemployed, as that seems to be the favored job after retiring or getting voted out.

I don't care which of the dumb and/or dumber party they "belong" to. I do realize that politicians "belong" to someone, at least the national politicians, either in office or as former congressmen.

Darwin's choice

For all the democrat turd polishers...you know who you are!

Great Orators of the Democrat Party, recently...

"It depends what your definition of 'Sex' is?'' ~ President William Jefferson Blythe Clinton

"That Obama “ I would like to cut his nuts off." ~ Jesse Jackson, Sr.

"Those rumors are false. I believe in the sanctity of marriage." ~ John Edwards

"I invented the Internet." ~ Al Gore

"The next person that tells me I'm not religious, I'm going to shove my rosary beads up their ass." ~ Joe Biden

"America is no longer, uh, what it, uh, could be, uh, what it was once was, uh, and I say to myself, uh, I don't want that future, uh, for my children." ~ Barack Obama

"I have campaigned in all 57 states." ~ Barack Obama (Quoted 200

"You don't need God anymore; you have us Democrats." ~ Nancy Pelosi (Quoted 2006)

"Paying taxes is voluntary." ~ Sen. Harry Reid

"Bill is the greatest husband and father I know.
No one is more faithful, true, and honest than he is." ~ Hillary Rodham Clinton (Quoted 199

"You have a business. You didn't build that. Someone else did!" ~ Barack Obama (Quoted 2012)

And the most ridiculous gem of wisdom, from the "Mother Moron Superior:"

"We just have to pass the Healthcare Bill to see what's in it."
~ Nancy Pelosi (Quoted March, 2010)

HOW FORTUNATE WE ARE “ TO HAVE SUCH BRILLIANT MINDS IN CHARGE OF OUR ONCE-GREAT COUNTRY

KURTje

"She's not young or pretty enough to be the wife of a president, besides that she has cancer." Newt Gingrich on why he was divorcing his wife.

santown419

Don't forget the repub think tank false news after all there was never a major terrorist attack under bush. I guess that happened under Obama. After all Obama was the reason bush didn't respond to Katrina in a appropriate time manner. But we all can't have time to read all the magazines out there. I wonder when the new superman comes out maybe I should ask Sarah play-em.

Darwin's choice

Here's another one for you to ponder...Obamacare-fail! Not false news, just failure!

shucks

The one thing I ponder is : Who dresses you in the morning ?

Darwin's choice

When you're polishing those turds, which end do you hold on to?

shucks

The ends that you bit off.

Centauri

(_*_) <4shizzle

AJ Oliver

Ahem, quite a bit of thread drift here . .
The original article was an Associated Press bit about Congress.
Please treat AP stories with suspicion, not just this bogus article, but how they regularly bend the news to favor the right wing.
Want proof? They just put out an utterly phony story on the Virginia governor's race. But for a change, this time they got caught! Huzzah!
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/liv...

mikesee

A statement I think we all can pretty much agree on. Out of 250+ million people how are these the best options that we have?

coasterfan

Being President is kinda like being a teacher. You'll have way way more training, intelligence and expertise in your field than the vast majority of the people who complain about you. It's a thankless, underpaid job that most of the few who ARE qualified would not want.

Would you want a job in which millions of less intelligent people complained about you, no matter what you do, and in which radio hosts from the opposing party spend 8 years riling up their listeners with hate-filled rants, in a vain attempt to delegitimize your presidency?

shucks

You're right.

The ignorant rails against the expert.

Contango

Re: "Being President,"

Nah. It generally comes down to which of the candidates can fool the most people with their lies, falsehoods and obfuscations.

Not unlike "so-called" teachers who are mostly "experts" in the art of bull sh*ting which is WHY they're in the public and not in the private sector.

I had one prof I truly respected, who would go on sabbaticals and test out her industrial psych theories in corps.

shucks

Exhibit A just showed up.

Contango

Pres. Obama is the incarnate of H.L. Mencken's cynical prediction.

"As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people.

On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron."

- H. L. Mencken, The Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920

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Enjoyed his ACA infomercial in the Rose Garden the other day.

There's a future for him after the presidency hawking steak knives in the AM hours on cable TV.

Dr. Information

To sum up most democrats, I can give you two scenario's with different results. Take your local school system. We all know most are hurting, and most people believe schools need to make due with what they have….aka staying within budget, making necessary cuts and NO NEW TAXES. When asked for more money….aka new taxes…..these same democrats say NO and say NO very loudly. I do not want to give more money to a school if they aren't addressing the issues of why they are going over budget, say most democrats.

Our government is no different than a school system. They operate this country on a larger scale, pay, spend and tax, yet you get a different reaction from democrats. They think the country is running fine, that borrowing and printing money that this country doesn't have is ok. They think its fine to keep raising taxes to pay for bills and ignore the real issues that is plaguing this country. We have a national spending problem and our government is bloated.

Again, 2 similar situations yet 2 different mindsets for democrats. Crazy.

mikesee

^^like^^

KURTje

Yeah & you miss Jerry Stackhouse.

Centauri

SILENCE!!

QUIET!!

4shizzle has a prepared speech of a little over 2 minutes.

Give 4shizzle your undivided attention for his factual wisdom.

4shizzle has prerecorded his speech. Go ahead 4shizzle

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4shizzle's speaks his factual wisdom.

shucks

Thanks Centauri , I loved it !

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shucks

http://thedamienzone.com/2010/12...

Yeah , you have problems.