NASA wind farm still blowing in wind

NASA administrators recently hosted a public forum to inform people about the possible installation of 25 wind turbines at the Plum Brook Station.
Andy Ouriel
Sep 30, 2013
Administrators first introduced the concept in 2010. Per federal laws, the space agency needs to seek out alternative, energyefficient methods of power production.

Wind turbines of up to 500 feet high would satisfy this quota.

NASA’s wind farm project manager Bryan Coates answered the Register’s questions about the proposal:

Q: Will the wind farm happen?

BC: At this time, there is no identified developer for the proposed wind farm project at the NASA Plum Brook Station. This past spring, NASA issued a request for information to determine the interest of developers and received 10 responses, all favorable.

Q: What obstacles do you foresee possibly occurring before the project moves forward?

BC: Because of the type of project being proposed, NASA is required to follow procedures specified by the National Environmental Policy Act. To meet (its) requirements, NASA, in consultation with the public and other stakeholders, will have to prepare a detailed statement known as an environmental impact statement.

Development of the proposed wind farm would only go forward if the results of several studies, currently underway, are favorable and completion of an environmental impact statement is accomplished. The studies examine environmental as well as economic considerations. If results of the (statement) are favorable and NASA decides to continue pursuing the proposed wind farm project, a request for proposal will be issued.

Q: When could the wind turbines be installed?

BC: Because NASA has not yet completed the environmental impact statement and a developer has not been identified, we do not have a start date for the project.

Q: How much would this cost?

BC: There will be no cost to the taxpayer. Once a developer is identified, the developer will be responsible for the costs associated with the development and maintenance of the wind farm. The developer will lease the land required for the wind farm project from NASA.

Q: What benefits would the wind farm provide to NASA?

BC: NASA would generate clean renewable energy and would set an example of leadership in environmental and facility stewardship. Also ... federal agencies must increase the amount of electric power generated from renewable sources.

As of this year, NASA as a whole must generate 7.5 percent of its electricity from renewable sources. The available land at (the) Plum Brook Station offers a unique opportunity for NASA Glenn (in Cleveland) to meet the center’s goal and support the agency in helping meet its future renewable energy goals.

Comments

BDupler

Just one of the reasons I cashed out and resigned my position out there. The station wants all kinds of goodies, but does not have the budget to pay for it. Someone else always is supposed to foot the bill.

Not a very comfortable setting for long term employment. Not a very comfortable setting if you want projects to get finished. How is that runway coming along? Or the Route 250 entrance?

Firelandsobserver

Unsure about your grievance regarding the cost of the project as it is stated it would not cost the taxpayers that would benefit from it.

goofus

http://www.reviewjournal.com/bus...
There goes our bald eagle population!!!! Worthless grinders!!!!!

The Big Dog's back

Only a fool would be against alternative energy. Ohhhhh .....

JudgeMeNot

Only a fool would fall for obama's alternative energy plan.

Mr. Sorry I'm N...

500 feet turbines are 6.6 times higher than the turbines that were once at Perkins H.S., if PHS turbines were 75 feet. That is almost seven of those stacked on top of each other. 500 feet turbines are taller than any building in Toledo. One Seagate Tower is 411 ft. The United Nations Secretariat building in New York City is 505, basically the same as NASAs turbines. Thinking of turbines in general, some are used to the turbine near Sandusky police headquarters on Meigs Street,the one in Huron, or those removed from Perkins due to blade failure.
Only 2 public meetings in 3 years for NASAs wind project.
In Oct. of 2010, NASA knew there would be negative impacts to birds, and impacts to our cell phone reception (right now my cell phone is working perfectly),shadow/flicker disturbance to people away from Plum Brook(Rt.250 right there and millions to Cedar Point), noise issues (wow), visual impacts (cute term yet they are not pretty)and construction disturbances to plants and animals (cute term again, yet, some animals and the Native Forest there at Plum Brook will most likely be harmed.
Each NASA station across the country only needs 2-3 turbines to meet their own renewable energy requirement. However, NASA Glenn said they want up to 25 turbines concentrated on 2000 acres in Erie County, Ohio/Plum Brook to produce the renewable energy for all of their Centers from Ames/Moffett in CA, Edwards, CA, White Sands, NM, Johnson, TX, Glenn, Cleveland, Kennedy, FL, and more. If the turbines or solar panels were fairly distributed,or shared, across the nation at all NASA properties, the renewable energy would still be put on the grid, anyway. There just would not be so many birds killed here in Erie County, and the other impacts and hazards would not be so concentrated.

The Big Dog's back

Do we really what to discuss how much wildlife is destroyed by oil?

JudgeMeNot

Big Dope, your not smart enough to discuss anything. Your comments prove that fact.

Firelandsobserver

I would not call the Davis-Besse Nuclear Power Station particularly attractive which can be seen for miles in any direction. Nor would I call it the safest or cleanest possible method of creating energy, which is also non-renewable. Granted there may be some drawbacks to the wind farm but believe it is a step in the right direction.

The Bizness

Opposition to renewable energy is something that I can not wrap my head around.

coasterfan

I agree. When rechargeable AAA batteries first came on the market, I remember a few friends were against those, too...

JudgeMeNot

Coal is King. Ask China.

Restless1

They should be fined one million dollars for each bald eagle they kill. However it's not all bad news, lets reward them with one hundred dollars for each Canadian goose.

Mr. Sorry I'm N...

Pretty sure NASA is advertising for private wind energy corporations to "build, own and operate" the wind farm for 20 to 25 years. What's left for NASA to do after they use federal dollars to pave the way for the private wind Corps? Wondering if NASA Glenn in Cleveland doesn't want the responsibility for protecting people or Erie County from known or unknown problems stemming from a wind farm on the Federal land.

NASA Glenn refers to the 2000 acres of potential wind farm land at Plum Brook as "underutilized." The land area at PBS--that had the 8th largest nuclear reactor in the nation on it--has apparently been restored to "unconditional use." This would mean that Plum Brook Station and/or the "underutilized" land could:

1)Have the potential to go back to the families of the original farmers that were removed when land was needed by the federal government for the WW11 TNT plant on the same property, or

2)Be made into part of the Erie Metro Parks since it is certified safe and natural, and there are native grasses and eagle nests currently on Plum Brook property, or

3)Be a place for corn to be grown for a second or third Green Revolution so that ethanol could be made for NASA's renewable energy requirement. NASA uses nitrogen for a lot of things. Maybe they can find even better uses for it on land and plants, or

4)Put solar panels at Plum Brook Station. They are made in Toledo, and since the Commissioners are all--very rightfully--about jobs & jobs, more taxes would probably be made regionally with solar than if turbine parts came into Sandusky Bay's newly-dredged area from around the world. Solar also has impacts and negatives, however, I would guess, not as many, or as bad as the impacts that turbines do. Still do not know if NASA Glenn ever did an EIS study for solar at PBS. NASA Wallops in VA did a wind study for only TWO turbines and it was determined, due to birds, that solar would be better. Think an article read that Wallops decided to just use less energy to get the 7% energy savings in the meantime until they can get solar there.
Almost once a month The Sandusky Register does an article on birds, wetlands, marshes, bird watching and once, mentioned the important flyway near Erie County for migrating birds. A solar farm, or array, could have been much more helpful as NASA's first thing to fully examine and invite comments from the public on at Plum Brook.

5)Restore Erie County roads. There are roads in Plum Brook that Erie County founding fathers put in that they thought necessary for citizens here to live, conduct business and use for personal ease. It would be nice to drive a more direct route to my hospital of choice, to do business, get licenses renewed or vote an absentee ballot without having to spend more gas and time driving the dog leg around PBS. Open the roads through NASA to make life easier. NASA Glenn and NASA HDQRTS might not have had reason to think about this. The war is over and NASA calls the land "underutilized." There are better ways for Erie County to use that land than to put a 25 turbine wind farm on it.

JudgeMeNot

Windmills don't work when the wind isn't blowing. The wind power lobbyists don't emphasize that point.

Many that are for alternative energies are just ill-informed due to the barrage of propaganda from special interests that still support global warming, climate change and climate disruption.

Pterocarya frax...

OH MY GODDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!! Obama been lying to me! He said them windmills always work...and you tellin me they no work when da wind don't blow?? We been had. I betta start listening to Glennnn Beck so I get the real story! Thanks Judgemental for straightenin me out.

VOTENO

How about turning all the hot air coming out of Washington into some energy?

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2cents

Long shot, no known technology to capture it as fast as it is expelled. If you think a nuclear reactor meltdown is bad, just try to get a hand on that stuff : )

Mr. Sorry I'm N...

Can anyone point out a wind farm-anywhere-that has been totally torn down, or decommissioned, including their bases of millions of pounds of cement? (Decommissioned to where the land is once again termed unconditional use and can be farmed?) I can't find one. Someone told me--check it out--NASA has two turbines still sitting at South Point wind farm on Hawaii. Blades have fallen off.
Search this-UK wants to censor online pictures of rusting turbines.

Incentives and subsidies fall away. Private corporations go out of business. The Kamaoa wind farm on the Island of Hawaii was a ghost wind farm and reverted to Hawaiian unclaimed property for decades. NASA Glenn vacated buildings on the E side of Brookpark Road due to asbestos then built new ones closer to Hopkins Airport across the street. The old contaminated buildings are empty and sitting for sale. Maybe more safe for Cleveland near metro parks if NASA Glenn decommissioned these old buildings themselves.

Don't want to pay more Erie County taxes, or have my children pay more taxes, to tear down the turbines at the end of their lives. The fed gov't doesn't have the money anymore to do this. Need cameras controlled by a third party to show birds & other wildlife on the ground for both wind and solar. Solar is much easier to decommission. Not as much wildlife killed with solar. New PV films and technology make solar very feasible in Ohio. Big solar farm in SE Ohio. Think alternative solar is much better than alternative wind here. Never wrote I do not like alternative energy.

Mr. Sorry I'm N...

Can anyone point out a wind farm-anywhere-that has been totally torn down, or decommissioned, including their bases of millions of pounds of cement? (Decommissioned to where the land is once again termed unconditional use and can be farmed?) I can't find one. Someone told me--check it out--NASA has two turbines still sitting at South Point wind farm on Hawaii. Blades have fallen off.
Search this-UK wants to censor online pictures of rusting turbines.

Incentives and subsidies fall away. Private corporations go out of business. The Kamaoa wind farm on the Island of Hawaii was a ghost wind farm and reverted to Hawaiian unclaimed property for decades. NASA Glenn vacated buildings on the E side of Brookpark Road due to asbestos then built new ones closer to Hopkins Airport across the street. The old contaminated buildings are empty and sitting for sale. Maybe more safe for Cleveland near metro parks if NASA Glenn decommissioned these old buildings themselves.

Don't want to pay more Erie County taxes, or have my children pay more taxes, to tear down the turbines at the end of their lives. The fed gov't doesn't have the money anymore to do this. Need cameras controlled by a third party to show birds & other wildlife on the ground for both wind and solar. Solar is much easier to decommission. Not as much wildlife killed with solar. New PV films and technology make solar very feasible in Ohio. Big solar farm in SE Ohio. Think alternative solar is much better than alternative wind here. Never wrote I do not like alternative energy.

Mr. Sorry I'm N...

Can anyone point out a wind farm-anywhere-that has been totally torn down, or decommissioned, including their bases of millions of pounds of cement? (Decommissioned to where the land is once again termed unconditional use and can be farmed?) I can't find one. Someone told me--check it out--NASA has two turbines still sitting at South Point wind farm on Hawaii. Blades have fallen off.
Search this-UK wants to censor online pictures of rusting turbines.

Incentives and subsidies fall away. Private corporations go out of business. The Kamaoa wind farm on the Island of Hawaii was a ghost wind farm and reverted to Hawaiian unclaimed property for decades. NASA Glenn vacated buildings on the E side of Brookpark Road due to asbestos then built new ones closer to Hopkins Airport across the street. The old contaminated buildings are empty and sitting for sale. Maybe more safe for Cleveland near metro parks if NASA Glenn decommissioned these old buildings themselves.

Don't want to pay more Erie County taxes, or have my children pay more taxes, to tear down the turbines at the end of their lives. The fed gov't doesn't have the money anymore to do this. Need cameras controlled by a third party to show birds & other wildlife on the ground for both wind and solar. Solar is much easier to decommission. Not as much wildlife killed with solar. New PV films and technology make solar very feasible in Ohio. Big solar farm in SE Ohio. Think alternative solar is much better than alternative wind here. Never wrote I do not like alternative energy.

Really are you ...

Hey NASA I can do better than your wind farms or solar panels. I have tried contacting NASA Glen, and NASA Plum Brook. No response. I am getting tired of trying to draw attention to my research, as well as everyone on these blog sites. Smaller better things that produce electricity for a very long timewith zero emissions, and environment friendly. No battery backup required.

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2cents

OMG, you did it? You really did it? You created the perpetual motion machine : )

Really are you ...

No it is not perpetual. Nothing lasts forever, generations is the best I could do.

Mr. Sorry I'm N...

Can someone comment about the NASA Plum Brook pumping station 8 miles away from them at Sheldon's Marsh? The pipe is on the beach at Sheldon's Marsh? Is it for discharge or for taking in free, unmetered water? Have been told they have a second pipe from Plum Brook Station out to the bay near the water treatment plant at the causeway to Cedar Point. Seems a long way for an industry to be using the lake directly and unmetered. Or, does the pumping station meter the water for natural resources records?

ohioengineer

I am old enough to remember when NASA was respected and its work pushed the boundaries of human knowledge. As a kid I dreamed of proudly working there, but the space race ended and my career went in a different direction. Today I am ashamed of what this once heroic organization has become: just another government agency with an agenda and a need to justify its existence. I doubt many kids are dreaming of working there today.

gramafun

I can't help but wonder if getting to MARS isn't the next space race for one and all. But this time it will take the bigger nations combined to get where they are going. Each time I hear about another breakthrough up there, I can't help but wonder if it isn't something they are serious about and I get that feeling I did when the space race was in my childhood.

you may see it at Plum Brook yet. We are on the edge of the future of world travel.