Democrats, GOP in shutdown staredown

Republicans willing to take risk to kill health care law
Associated Press
Sep 29, 2013

As the government teeters on the brink of a partial shutdown, congressional Republicans vowed Sunday to keep using an otherwise routine government funding bill to try to attack "Obamacare."

Congress was closed for the day after a post-midnight vote in the GOP-run House to delay by a year key parts of the new health care law and repeal a tax on medical devices, in exchange for avoiding a shutdown. The Senate is slated to convene Monday afternoon just hours before the shutdown deadline, and Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has already promised that majority Democrats will kill the House's latest volley.

Since the last government shutdown 17 years ago, temporary funding bills known as continuing resolutions have been noncontroversial, with neither party willing to chance a shutdown to achieve legislative goals it couldn't otherwise win. But with health insurance exchanges set to open on Tuesday, tea-party Republicans are willing to take the risk in their drive to kill the health care law.

The action in Washington was limited mainly to the Sunday talk shows and barrages of press releases as Democrats and Republicans rehearsed arguments for blaming each other if the government in fact closes its doors at midnight Monday.

"You're going to shut down the government if you can't prevent millions of Americans from getting affordable care," said Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md.

"The House has twice now voted to keep the government open. And if we have a shutdown, it will only be because when the Senate comes back, Harry Reid says, 'I refuse even to talk,'" said Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, who led a 21-hour broadside against allowing the temporary funding bill to advance if stripped clean of a tea party-backed provision to derail Obamacare. The effort ultimately failed.

The battle started with a House vote to pass the short-term funding bill with a provision that would have defunded implementation of the health care overhaul. The Senate voted along party lines to strip that out and lobbed the measure back to the House. The latest House measure, passed early Sunday by a near party-line vote of 231-192, sent back to the Senate two key changes: a one year delay of key provisions of the health insurance law and repeal of a new tax on medical devices that partially funds it, steps that still go too far for The White House and its Democratic allies on Capitol Hill.

Senate rules often make it difficult to act quickly, but the chamber can act on the House's latest proposals by simply calling them up and killing them on a nondebatable motion.

Eyes were already turning to the House Sunday for its next move. One of its top leaders vowed it would not simply give in to Democrats' demands to pass the Senate's "clean" funding bill.

"The House will get back together in enough time, send another provision not to shut the government down, but to fund it, and it will have a few other options in there for the Senate to look at again," said the No. 3 House Republican leader, Rep. Kevin McCarthy of California. "We are not shutting the government down."

McCarthy wouldn't say what changes Republicans might make. He appeared to suggest that a very short-term measure might pass at the last minute, but GOP aides said that was unlikely. And rumors Saturday night that GOP leaders might include a provision to deny lawmakers and staff aides their employer health care contributions from the government had cooled by Sunday afternoon. Lawmakers and congressional aides are required to purchase health insurance on the Affordable Care Act exchanges but the administration has taken steps to make sure they continue to receive their 72 percent employer contribution.

Republicans argued that Reid should have convened the Senate on Sunday to act on the measure.

"If the Senate stalls until Monday afternoon instead of working today, it would be an act of breathtaking arrogance by the Senate Democratic leadership," said House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio. "They will be deliberately bringing the nation to the brink of a government shutdown."

In the event lawmakers blow the Monday deadline, about 800,000 workers would be forced off the job without pay. Some critical services such as patrolling the borders, inspecting meat and controlling air traffic would continue. Social Security benefits would be sent and the Medicare and Medicaid health care programs for the elderly and poor would continue to pay doctors and hospitals.

The Senate was not scheduled to meet until midafternoon Monday, 10 hours before a shutdown would begin, and even some Republicans said privately they feared that Reid holds the advantage in the fast-approaching end game.

Republicans argued that they had already made compromises; for instance, their latest measure would leave intact most parts of the health care law that have taken effect, including requiring insurance companies to cover people with pre-existing conditions and to let families' plans cover children up to age 26. They also would allow insurers to deny contraception coverage based on religious or moral objections.

Democrats countered that Republicans were seizing a routine funding measure and holding it hostage, seeking leverage to unfairly jam Democrats into making concessions. Democrats were confident they could hold firm, and some more senior Republicans acknowledged that the situation is rife with political risk for their party.

But tea party forces in the House — egged on by Cruz — forced GOP leaders to abandon an earlier plan to deliver a "clean" stopgap spending bill to the Senate and move the fight to another must-do measure looming in mid-October: a bill to increase the government's borrowing cap to avert a market-rattling, first-ever default on U.S. obligations.

McCarthy appeared on "Fox News Sunday," while Cruz was on NBC's "Meet the Press." Van Hollen appeared on CBS' "Face the Nation."




Oh Grumpy - You'd better check your reading comprehension before you throw stones.

Reread Sham's first sentence.....slowly.

"Slavery was once the law of the land, and it was repeatedly upheld."


Slavery was the law of the land. Where did she say you had to have slaves? Is your problem comprehension or grammar? Maybe you and Piddle Puppy don't understand grammar. Which is it that you don't understand?


So it was a law that you could have slaves... could not have slaves... or a law to choose to have slaves or not ?
That makes a lot of sense , grammar master.


"So it was a law that you could have slaves... could not have slaves... or a law to choose to have slaves or not ?"

That is a correct statement, if you lived in the South where slave ownership was legal. In the North you could not have slaves.

This forum is of the written word. If you can't communicate doing so how can anyone know what you are attempting to say when you don't use accepted grammar? Are we supposed to guess what you mean? Or are we to take what you write as being what you mean? When you and Piddle Puppy don't understand what Sam actually said it is YOUR problem/mistake. Not Sam's or anybody else's. Act like an adult, accept you are wrong, Especially when it is pointed out to you that you are wrong.

Sam didn't say you "had" to own slaves. Last I knew gov't couldn't force to buy anything, that was one of the findings that allowed obamacare. SCOTUS found that it was a tax. One of the arguements against obamacare was you can't be forced to purchase anything. SCOTUS sidestepped that and claimed it was a tax.

Do you wish to keep getting your nose rubbed in the feces from a Piddle Puppy? Keep it up, it is fun rubbing your nose in it.

Really are you ...

I will blog on this in the morning.

It is like our darn quality jobs leaving the states or leaving Norwalk. The workers have no say, there is no compromising. And these people are making 3 to 5 times more a year than the average worker. Maybe this health care package could affect everyone in a negative way like the patriot act, then again maybe not.


U.S. labor force participation rates are matching 35 yr. recession era lows.

Aug. 1978: 63.2%

Aug. 2013: 63.2%

Pres. Obama's economic "recovery" is being produced on the backs of part-time, low paying "McJobs" and massive Federal Reserve money infusions.

The tax base needed to support the expensive, byzantine federal entitlement programs of Soc. Sec'y, Medicare, Medicaid and NOW Obama☭are is dissolving!

This country cannot continue to rack up trillions of dollars in debt through more tax, borrow, print and spend schemes ad infinitum.

Pres. Obama ordered "Simpson-Bowles" in order to get a handle on rising federal debt and then IGNORED their recommendations.

It's not a matter of IF, this govt. eventually fiscally, financially and monetarily grinds to a halt - it's WHEN.


The first cuts should be the salaries of the idiots that can't pass a budget.


Let's see, the Republicans are threatening to shut down the government, which would adversely affect millions of Americans, unless we agree to defund Obamacare, which would adversely affect millions of Americans.

In a related story, Republicans voted to cut funding for food stamps (which currently provides a little more than $4 per day per person), while voting to INCREASE farm subsidies (welfare) for millionaire farmers.

These aren't examples of someone drinking the koolaid. These are examples of conservative politicians knowingly doing things they know will hurt millions of Americans.

All of the things Contango mentioned above were caused by the previous Republican administration, and have been prolonged by the current GOP funding philosophy, which says that during an economic downturn, you must CUT funding (the exact opposite of what most economists say needs to be done).

Rather than listening to Contango blather on with his usual rhetoric, I urge everyone to listen to an actual expert on the subject: please read Nobel-prize winning economist Paul Krugman's op-ed article today.


Re: "his usual rhetoric"


Other than bloviating nonsense, where's YOUR facts Comrade?


A bastardized Keynesian spend, spend, spend nut ball.

What's the title, so I can read it free on the NYT?




Keynesian economics might work on paper and maybe in theory... but NEVER has it worked in the real world. The spenders NEVER cut spending, during good times, and pay off the debts run up during bad times. They have the spending more when times are bad thing down pat. No one has paid back the money borrowed during good times... they want to spend during good times... after all times are good and we can pay it off later... then later never happens. That is the fatal flaw in Krugman's Kenesian economics. they NEVER would pay off the debt. They will kick the can and hope someone else will pay. It doesn't happen in the real world, but it sure looks good on paper. If someone would pay off the debt I would have no problem watching someone try it... but no one will ever pay off the debt so the point is moot.

Notice I didn't speak on parties? They both have a history of spending way too much. The dumb and dumber parties rule.

The Big Dog's back

Disaster Capitalism is working well isn't it pooh?


Yes, Obama sanctioned crony capitalism (fascism) "is working well" for the Ruling Political Class who continue to get richer, while putting responsibility for paying off the debt onto the youth and yet to be born in America.

Remember: Tax, borrow, print and spend, spend, spend to prosperity! LOL!!!


"Disaster Capitalism is working well isn't it pooh?"

Ummm, Piddle Puppy, Keynesian economics and capitalism is not the same thing... They really have little in common Have no idea what you are flailing around trying to make a point about. Care to explain what you are trying to say? Or are you just writing slogans you have read somewhere?

The Big Dog's back


Darwin's choice

Another cheeleader! "Politicians doing things they know will adversely affect millions of Americans"??? Are you kidding me Coasterfan??? That is the Obama mantra!!! Your failure of a leader has set back everything he touches by decades! Here's a list of the previous shutdown's... seems that the end of the world didn't happen. Food stamps will still be paid, however, there STILL be no White House tours!!

And, Bill Clinton legacy..when the government goes down, so do the interns....! Go democrats....!!!


Re: "I urge everyone to listen (sp),"

FYI: This format is visual, not auditory.

The word used should be "read."

And you have the audacity to "claim" that you "were" a teacher? Tsk, tsk.

Hey! Under your desire for a single payer health care system, does that mean that the assets in the STRS & OHCT health care trusts will be confiscated by the govt. ?


Contango- you hate people and America.

You love money and yourself.


^^^ Off-topic nonsense.

Take out your credit cards, borrow as much money as you can and spend, spend, spend your way to prosperity.

Why wouldn't it work for an individual, if it'll work for a govt.?

So your health care benefits are provided how?


When I read all your posts - that's what it all boils down to.
It may be "Off-topic" but it's not nonsense.

Speaking of "Off-topic",
Don't keep asking me about my health care.


Re: "Don't keep asking me about my health care."

That's VERY on-topic.

Why is the govt. shutting down? The fight over funding Obama☭are which will ultimately affect EVERYONE'S health care.

Again: So your health care benefits are provided how?


The self-appointed 'lord of the comment section' demands an answer about my business ?


Re: "an answer about my business?"

It's a simple enough question and you're a BIG proponent of Obama☭are. It only seems reasonable to ask.

Third request: So your health care benefits are provided how?


Put a little sugar on it.


Re: "Put"

Fourth request: So your health care benefits are provided how?

Do you not understand the question?

So WHY do you LOVE Obama☭are?


Say : "pretty please"

The Big Dog's back

pooh sure is nosey.


for sure


He DEFINITELY loves himself and Kessler's!

Dr. Information Obama once again wants "compromise" but is unwilling to compromise himself. Seems like par for the course when speaking about him and the democrats.

Lets keep printing and spending our way to oblivion. I mean its just paper right? When is enough enough? Raise the debt ceiling some more? Why do we have to? Why can't Washington cut to stay within budget? Oh, thats right because they haven't passed a budget in over 4 years. Why? Because the Dems budget is packed with TRILLIONS of taxes on the working Americans. You really think this country can afford that?

The party you liberals support are 1%er's. They have opted out of the ACA and they could care less about you. They have you completely fooled.

Everything the government has touched has turned bad. SS...the well is running dry. on life support. Medicare/Medicaid......abused and run amuck. So why throw another thing into the fire for them to mess up.

You people simply do not get it.