Federal gun laws didn't block shooter

Navy Yard shooting prompts new round of calls for action from lawmakers
Associated Press
Sep 17, 2013

The gunman in the mass shootings at the Washington Navy Yard, Aaron Alexis, had a history of violent outbursts, was at least twice accused of firing guns in anger and was in the early stages of treatment for serious mental problems, according to court records and U.S. law enforcement officials.

But Alexis apparently managed to exploit seams in the nation's patchwork of complicated gun laws designed to keep weapons out of the hands of dangerous people to buy a weapon. He was able to buy a shotgun in Virginia with out-of-state identification, even though that would have prevented him from buying a handgun.

It is illegal for gun dealers to sell handguns to such out-of-state buyers, but the Firearms Owners' Protection Act, passed by Congress in 1986, opened up interstate sales for shotguns and rifles. Virginia gun laws require only that an out-of-state buyer show valid identification, pass a background check and otherwise abide by state laws in order to buy a shotgun in the state. Alexis was never prosecuted for the two misdemeanors involving guns.

Alexis bought the shotgun at Sharpshooters Small Arms Range in Lorton, Va. on Sunday, according to a statement from the attorney for the gun range.

Michael Slocum said in an email that Alexis rented a rifle, bought bullets and used the range before buying the shotgun and 24 shells. Slocum said Alexis passed a federal background check.

Law enforcement officials visited the range Monday, reviewing the store's video and other records.

"What the 1986 Firearms Owners' Protection Act did was it made it more convenient for gun buyers," said Kristen Rand, the legislative director at the Violence Policy Center. "That's the road we've been on for a while: The convenience of gun owner always seems to trump the right of victims not to be shot."

Federal gun laws bar the mentally ill from legally buying guns from licensed dealers. But the law requires that someone be involuntarily committed to a mental health facility or declared mentally ill by a judge, and that information must be reported to the FBI in order to appear on a background checks. In the wake of the 2007 shooting at Virginia Tech, state authorities changed state laws to make it tougher for the mentally ill to buy guns there.

But like other recently accused mass shooters, Alexis was never declared mentally ill by a judge or committed to a hospital. He was being treated by the Veterans Administration as recently as August, according to two law enforcement officials, but the Navy had not declared him mentally unfit.

The Virginia Tech shooter, Seung Hi Cho, was declared mentally ill by a judge, but nobody ever reported it to federal authorities to get him included in the database of banned purchasers.

After the December massacre at a Connecticut elementary school, U.S. lawmakers pushed to overhaul gun laws. Among the proposals was a ban on military-style rifles, including the popular AR-15, and high-capacity ammunition magazines. There was also a plan to expand background checks to make sure anyone who wanted a gun got the approval of the federal government.

No legislation has moved forward in Congress, despite urgent pleas from the president, some lawmakers and victims' families.

President Barack Obama has made a few narrow administrative changes, but those are not likely to impact the kinds of guns most often found at crime scenes.

Asked Tuesday about whether the shooting would renew consideration of new gun laws, Obama spokesman Jay Carney said the president hasn't stopped pushing for reform, was making executive changes to federal rules and reiterated his commitment to strengthening gun laws, including expanding background checks to sales online and at gun shows.

"He has not in the least hidden his displeasure and disappointment in Congress for its failure to pass legislation that's supported by 80 percent to 90 percent of the American people," Carney told reporters. "You could not define a case of Congress — or a minority in Congress, a minority in the Senate — taking its cues from a narrow special interest, better than this."

Monday's shooting prompted a new round of calls for action from lawmakers.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and Sen. Joe Manchin, D.-W.Va., the author of a bill on background checks, both said they would like to see a vote on the background checks bill, but the votes aren't there for passage at this time.

Still, Reid said he hopes to get another gun control vote this year. "I don't want any more bad things to happen, you know. Something's going to have to get the attention of these characters who don't want any controls."

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., a leading advocate for tougher gun control in the Senate, said in a statement that the shooting "is one more event to add to the litany of massacres."

"Congress must stop shirking its responsibility and resume a thoughtful debate on gun violence in this country. We must do more to stop this endless loss of life," she said.

Some congressional Democrats and family members of shooting victims planned to gather at the Capitol on Wednesday to renew their push for background check legislation. The trip, organized by the Newtown Action Alliance, was previously planned to mark the nine-month anniversary of the Connecticut school shooting.

For Obama, it was at least the seventh mass shooting of his presidency, and he mourned the victims while speaking at the White House on Monday.

"We are confronting yet another mass shooting, and today it happened on a military installation in our nation's capital," Obama said. "It's a shooting that targeted our military and civilian personnel. These are men and women who were going to work, doing their job protecting all of us. They're patriots, and they know the dangers of serving abroad, but today they faced the unimaginable violence that they wouldn't have expected here at home."

 

Comments

Darwin's choice

He used the shotgun to shoot an officer, and take the officers AR-15, he did not purchase it. That was left out of the story. But, I'm sure that will be fodder for the advocates for gun control.....

coasterfan

Nope, Darwin. The fodder is self-evident. Guns were once again used for a mass killing. For me, end of story.

Darwin's choice

So, hide your head in the sand, you'll be safe with obama.

Darwin's choice

1000 stright days of gasoline prices ABOVE $3.00 a gallon. You should be so proud of the massive Obama failure!

Democrat proud!

deertracker

So exactly how did that protection from the security guard work out? This is about mental health not gun violence or gun control. There's no need to start with the Obama comments.

JudgeMeNot

If Obama had a psychotic homicidal gun-toting younger brother he'd look like Aaron Alexis.

looking around

How so dumb a$$?

Mum-of-One

For the past 20 years, studies have consistently estimated that almost half of all individuals with schizophrenia or bipolar disorder are receiving no treatment for their mental illness at any given time. According to recent estimates, this means that approximately 3.5 million such individuals are receiving no treatment. We cannot change what we do not acknowledge.

looking around

We have to re-register our vehicles every year, re-new our drivers licenses every five years we pay a fee to cover these costs. Many other licenses and permits as well are held to a renewal where questions may be asked regarding ones mental capacity, medical condition, drug dependency, problems with infractions of law. Some renewals require a physical examination by a doctor whom will look for signs and perform tests to determine if anything seems wrong. These are done at the expense of the individual, time lines between examinations vary on circumstance. In some cases further or recurrent training is required. I see no reason why gun ownership shouldn't be monitored in the same manner. Where in the constitution does it say that you have an unconditional right to own and bare arms irregardless of mental incapacity or failure to be a law abiding citizen or have not received proper training? I don't give a rat what the NRA or the gun lovers say it's time to take action make some responsible changes to current laws. I would go one further, If you own and store weapons you should by law be required to maintain an insurance policy wherein it would be stated how these weapons would be safely stored. Funds from these policy's would be used to provide services to victims of crimes committed with stolen firearms. All at the expense of the gun owner.

coasterfan

Agree 100% with Looking Around. Polls show that more than 90% of Americans favor increased background checks for gun purchases, yet the NRA struts around as if they are the voice of the people. The gun industry has an obvious reason to oppose common sense gun control, since it would hurt their sales. The NRA is their irresponsible media shill, and their policies only make America a less safe place for us all.

Darwin's choice

Common sense will tell you that where there's a will there's a way. If not a gun, a knife, or car. Typical knee jerk from the head jerk.

abigbear

IT IS NOT THE GUNS that are KILLING PEOPLE
in all fairness please read http://www.thesmokinggun.com/bus...

deertracker

@looking
Agreed!

grumpy

"We have to re-register our vehicles every year, re-new our drivers licenses every five years we pay a fee to cover these costs."

None of which are Constitutional rights. Guns, actually handguns NFA firearms, and FFL's are the only things that are protected by the Constitution that require a license. A drivers license is a privilege, not a right, let alone a Constitutional right.

deertracker

You are right grumpy but this is the 21st century. We need to adjust to the times!

JudgeMeNot

This man was fueled by hate and the entitlement mentality promoted by the democraps and the media.

looking around

And you know this how dumb a$$?

looking around

Many Constitutional Rights are governed by laws and or regulations, there is a reason, it guards against abuse....and at the same time protects the rights of others.

Simple Enough II

Because owning a weapon is a right, drving a vehicle is a privilege.

sandtown born a...

Delusional to think any law will keep a firearm out of the hands of a person with the ill intent.

looking around

If gun ownership required more responsibility and had consequences for those that were irresponsible, less weapons would fall into the hands of those with ill intent.

2cents's picture
2cents

"If gun ownership required more responsibility"

I think the same should go for violent video games these yahoos use to train themselves with how to kill without a conscience!

Simple Enough II

Those laws and penalties are out there.

coasterfan

I advocate an all-of-the-above approach. Tighten background checks to cover ALL purchases, to keep more guns out of the wrong hands in the first place. Enforce already existing gun control laws, and increase penalties for all occasions in which the laws are broken. Outlaw sales of assault rifles to the general public (until the deer start shooting back, no one needs something that shoots a zillion rounds a minute). Increase funding for mental health screenings (this would require Republicans to support increased funding for something, of course).

Darwin's choice

More blathering from the Obamabot. More legislation doesn't work.

Simple Enough II

Agreed.

arnmcrmn

An assault rifle is just like my 200 dollar semi .22LR (wood stock with a clip) except it looks all military like. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you are going to spout off information, please spout off the correct stuff.

And here you go again. You want everyone else to pay for someone's problems.

looking around

Not me! I want the gun owners to pay their own freight to exercise their second amendment rights. You want to own a gun pay for required training, background checks, continued renewal of permits on a calendar basis, provide safe secure storage. Tie your name as with Motor Vehicles to the national data base, you have a problem with law you need to report the infraction within thirty days even if you have not already heard from authorities so that your status can be reviewed. If you have a medical issue that is listed as being mandatory to report do it or be prepared to have your right revoked. Your gun is missing? It's your responsibility to report it and be answerable for the circumstances it became missing. Me pay for your problems? Not with my life.......

JudgeMeNot

PREDICTION: Liberal idiots like you will keep preaching gun control which causes more Americans to buy AR-15's. you lose.

looking around

We will see!

JudgeMeNot

George Zimmerman should change his name to George Benghazi then no one would ever mention him again.

deertracker

Except you!

Simple Enough II

You have a point there!

LabMan

NRA is raffling off 12 "banned" guns now. Go to www.NRABannedGunsRaffle.org

Nor'easter

If Obama would lead an effort to change or revoke portions of the HIPPA law, the health professionals could flag those needing mental health help and prevent these tragedies. The way the current law reads, if a health professional talks about any patient and their needs without specific written permission from the patient, (Which they are not about to give.) The health professional is subject to fines, loss of job, and prison time. Which do we want? Absolute privacy and killings or common sense and a safer country??

devilsadvocate

When I renew my driver's license or plates - no one checks to see if I am still competent. They just take my money after making sure I am still alive.

No one can protect everyone from everything. If he drove a car into a crowd of people (like was recently done in California) do we ban cars?

coasterfan

Weak comparison. Cars are transportation devices. When used as designed, they will get you from one place to another. Guns are weapons. When used as designed, they kill and maim.

Darwin's choice

Again, if the will is there, a way can be found. This is clearly a case of Obama-fail, this man was frustrated beyond reason with the governments failure, Obama's agenda doesn't work.

Sam

More people are killed by drunk drivers and other reckless drivers than guns every year.

arnmcrmn

Great point Sam and one that EVERY LIBERAL on this forum forgets. Cars intent = transportation, yet the death ratio isn't even close when comparing cars vs gun violence.

Nobody has a problem with background checks. Hell, Im surprised they haven't started doing checks when you buy ammo.

Nothing will stop all violence. Look in the paper each and every day. People are killed left and right.

America is too BIG with too many people and too many crazies.

The answer is more common sense good people carrying. Nothing else is working.

looking around

When you renew your licenses you are asked questions pertaining to your health and current state of your driving privileges as well they can see if you are flagged by the national data base. For your plates you need proof of insurance and proper identification. It's not quite apples to apples but with proper gun regulation in place it could be.

Simple Enough II

Having and driving a vehicle is a privilege, not a right.

YoMamma

The real question is how did this nut job keep his security clearance? If one has a history of randomly shooting weapons, how is DOD not kept in the loop??

arnmcrmn

Does is surprise you with this administration. Everything has been a letdown.

looking around

This administration? These type of security clearances have not been given proper oversight in twenty years.

grumpy

"This administration? These type of security clearances have not been given proper oversight in twenty years."

Correct. This is how gov't performs some of its most sensitive operations. Is it any wonder why some folks wish to limit the scope of what gov't does? Thanks for pointing this out to us all. It is just typical gov't perfromance of it's responsibilities. Who wants to give them more responsibility?

The Big Dog's back

Yep pooh, let's get rid of the Navy. Awww hell, the whole military.

Centauri

"Alexis was never prosecuted for the two misdemeanors involving guns."

There it is folks. Lack of prosecution. The gun laws were ignored.

"He was able to buy a shotgun in Virginia with out-of-state identification, even though that would have prevented him from buying a handgun."

He did what Biden said to do. "Buy a shotgun"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...
Gun Joe Biden Says No Need To Own Assault Weapons: 'Buy A Shotgun

ladydye_5

I wondered who would be the first to bring that up! LOL. He did say that.

Nemesis

""He was able to buy a shotgun in Virginia with out-of-state identification, even though that would have prevented him from buying a handgun."

The only way he could buy a gun as an out of state resident is if he bought it from an FFL holder, which would require the background check of which coaster and others seem so enamored.

Centauri

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...
"He sought treatment with the Veterans Administration for paranoia and hearing voices in two states."

Azure Ray

That's because there is no need for anyone to have guns. Ban them! Oh wait, we can't, because we can't trust our government.

grumpy

You are welcome to amend the Constitution. There is a set schedule of how that is done. Be my guest to start it up and see what the rest of the country thinks of that idea.

shucks

"... we can't trust our government"...is an understatement.

More like full tilt, screaming through the streets , paranoia of the government by the "gun loving" conspiracy theorists.

coasterfan

I concur. If they are that afraid of our government, why don't they just leave. There isn't a fence keeping them in, and frankly, the people who should truly feel unsafe are the rest of us, who have to share our country with a bunch of nutcases with itchy trigger fingers. Seriously, if you weren't worried during the Bush/Cheney administration, you don't have much reason to be worried now. Gotta give those Fox people some snaps; they sure know how to whip their dittoheads into a frenzy, don't they?

shucks

"...they sure know how to whip their dittoheads into a frenzy, don't they?"
..............They sure do.

Darwin's choice

You two fools are prime examples of failure by the democrats. Can't show some positive answer, throw out some Obama bs, and drink the kool-aid, It will be better then.

arnmcrmn

agree Darwin. Same daily rant by these two. Guess whats next....name calling.

Darwin's choice

Think about it....

Alleged former 'shill' admits that trolling operations are real

Then there is the occasional confession by a former employee of the government who fesses up about what is really taking place in secret behind the scenes. A recent public posting on a "conspiracy theory" forum -- conspiracy websites are typically the most heavily targeted by government officials -- admits that individuals are constantly being recruited and hired by shadowy groups and government-affiliated agencies to manipulate online discussions.

"Shills exist," writes this anonymous ex-shill following a lengthy explanation of how he was hand-selected to pose as a normal commenter and basically lie on forums and in comment sections. "They are real. They walk among you ... You should be aware of this," he adds.

It should be noted that the alternative news website where this confession was recently re-posted was asked by the conspiracy website where it was originally posted to take it down, claiming that it is "libelous and utterly false," even though it does not name any specific names or identify who is behind these and other shill operations. When asked for an explanation, the conspiracy website in question simply stopped responding.

Anyone here? Obamabot's?

Centauri

"A recent public posting on a "conspiracy theory" forum -- conspiracy websites are typically the most heavily targeted by government officials -- admits that individuals are constantly being recruited and hired by shadowy groups and government-affiliated agencies to manipulate online discussions."

I am aware of paid shills on foreign news online site. I suppose that there are paid shills posting comments on American online sites also. I have come across many of these shills here and also on other American newspaper online site. If anyone can provide links on these paid American shills, I would like to see them.

Meanwhile Feinstein wants to go after unpaid journalists and bloggers who post comments. I guess that being a paid shill would be protected by Feinstein actions. I have no idea how this super rich ruling class hag keeps getting elected to office. People need to get a clue in California and boot her butt out of office. She keeps taking rights away from the people and giving more powers and rights to the rich ruling class.

http://watchdog.org/100682/feins...
"In a proposed amendment to a media shield law being considered by Congress, Feinstein writes that only paid journalists should be given protections from prosecution for what they say or write. The language in her proposal is raising concerns from First Amendment advocates because it seems to leave out bloggers and other nontraditional forms of journalism that have proliferated in recent years thanks to the Internet."

This super rich hag keeps taking your rights away and now going after freedom of expression and speech. She should be tried for treason.

Centauri

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20...
"A petition submitted to the White House's "We the People" website calling for Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) to be tried in a federal court for treason has reached the requisite 25,000 signatures for an administration response."

shucks

So what ?

"We the People," a wack website.

Centauri

American Jew Feinstein learned nothing from Hitler. History will repeat itself.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/...
"According to Senator Diane Feinstein (D-CA) and her backers, you’re not a real journalist unless you work for a corporate mainstream media organisation, and do so as your ‘primary source of income’. That means you can only express an opinion or expose corruption in Washington and elsewhere… if you belong to a government-approved media outlet. Does this sound familiar? It’s the same system championed by the Nazis in Germany, and by Stalin in the old Soviet."

shucks

Another wack website.

Simple Enough II

I really don't care what here religion is, but I want to know if and why she would have armed security?

shucks

You two fools (Darwin's choice /arnmcrmn) are prime examples of failure by the Republicans. Can't show some positive answer, throw out some Republican bs, and drink the kool-aid, It will be better then.
Same daily rant by you two. I can guess what's next for me....name calling.

deertracker

They both have a master's degree in stupidity!

arnmcrmn

Ahhh, thanks for proving me right. Name calling, what the liberals turn to when all else fails.

Sam

More Fox envy, the liberal networks like PMSNBC can't get ratings, liberal talk radio has failed at every attempt. Gun violence has increased under the messiahs administration, spin that fact. Rather a ditto head than a far left wing wacko.

shucks

More Fox ratings = more people watching = more idiots

JudgeMeNot

oh shut up with your rubbish. The world does not revolve around you.

shucks

JudgeMeNot

You are a waste of time

shucks

JudgeMeNot

You are a waste of time

Sam

Typical far left wing nonfactual response. When they lack facts they revert to name calling.

deertracker

@4shizzle
.....= Darwin, Judge, pooh, GI Joe and all the usual suspects!!!!!!!!

shucks

Republican kool aid drinkers

Darwin's choice

Not a Republican, just can't stand your stupidity.

shucks

Gotta love the moron telling me that I'm stupid.

The Answer Person

If only all of these people had been armed, they could have defended themselves...just like in Sandy Hook...if those kids had only had more guns they would be alive today. yep...we need more guns...

man4451

why Thanks Republican President RONALD REAGAN for re-cutting the Federal Budget that set FREE these mentially ill cases, and medicine FREE so they don't get CARE they need. Lets not forget the Affirmative action Law where as employers have to hire Quota.
You should search of ALL the great things Republican President Ronald Reagan has done, you would be shocked.

grumpy

"why Thanks Republican President RONALD REAGAN for re-cutting the Federal Budget that set FREE these mentially ill cases, and medicine FREE so they don't get CARE they need."

You should also thank The ACLU for also helping to let out the mental patients out of the institutions they were in. They got many released when they were on the meds they need to be "normal/controlled" and be considered sane. Being sane they could not be held. When released many, not all went off the meds, and reverted into their mental state that got them institutionalized in the first place. Now they get put back in till they stabliize, pass as sane, get released, go off the meds and go back in... it is a circle.

It wasn't just the ACLU, budget cuts, or changing views of the mentally ill, it was the combination of those and more. It will never get the genie back in the bottle.

The Big Dog's back

Spreading that bullspit again huh pooh. raygun opened the gates of hell.

2cents's picture
2cents

Just remember public outcry wanted rehabilitation, not confinement. The trend became to rehabilitate in stead of lock up. Well, we see the result and I personally tried to get someone put away for their own safety on a temporary basis but could not!

http://mentalillnesspolicy.org/m...

https://www.aclu.org/organizatio...

Sam

Washington D.C. and Federal military bases have the most restrictive gun regulations in the nation. Another example where only law abiding citizens obey gun laws. Liberals again using a tragedy to spin their agenda.

arnmcrmn

agree. spin away libs.

deertracker

^^^^^^^^^^Pot meet the kettles!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

abigbear

IT IS NOT THE GUNS that are KILLING PEOPLE
read http://www.thesmokinggun.com/bus...

The Big Dog's back

Guns with bullets kill people.

OMG.LOL.WT_

Whenever this subject comes up, some will bring up the Constitution and the "right to bare arms". Makes a person wonder. The word is bear!!!!!!!http://www.thefreedictionary.com...
Get a dictionary.

gene44870

I have said it before I will say it again. If a person is going to use a gun to kill , they are not going to get it registered , there for what good can really come out of the law that was placed on the books . All that law does is make it harder for one to defend themselves against people like this

looking around

Gene, the problem is most of the guns used to commit crimes were at the onset purchased legally and possibly registered depending on the requirements in the state of acquisition. They then were either stolen from their lawful owners or the said owner either used the weapon in the commission of a crime, or enabled someone else to gain access to their guns to commit a crime. If you create a system of ownership that promotes responsibility on the part of the owner with legal circumstances as recourse against irresponsible gun owners, less legal guns would fall into the hands of those who would commit a crime. Simple as that, you are right they won't use a gun registered in their name to kill someone....they will use yours.

Sam

Where is Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Eric Holder on this cold blooded killing, oops wrong agenda. Is Erie Holder looking into a hate crime or violation of civil rights on this one?

deertracker

Go to the edge of a very high cliff and take two steps forward and they will be right there!

arnmcrmn

more name calling...how adult like. More 3rd grade replies from deer and crew.

Sam

3rd grade, you insulted 3rd graders. Clearly from their constant posts throughout the day it doesn't interrupt a job.

shucks

arnmcrmn here's a name for you: DELUSIONAL.

No one has called you a name.
What names are you hearing inside that thick skull of yours ?

You wouldn't happen to be an undiagnosed paranoid would you?

Sam

Once again the typical far left rant when the facts are against them. Similar to the community organizer minus his teleprompter. The far left continues their envy and hate agenda.

The Big Dog's back

Oh and you right wingnuts are so professional in your responses.

Centauri

Are you a paid blogger Big Dog? I can find out. I am not a Republican from the far right.

What kind of job do you have?

I could find out. If you are poor and on assistance, that is OK with me.

If you refuse to answer then I will see fit to put the "tail on" you.

The Big Dog's back

centroid, I'll give you a pass on what you said. Only one.

Darwin's choice

Just for you Big Dog.....

New Presidential Seal.....

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The eagle has been replaced by this.....the Skunk..!!!

It's half black, half white and everything it does, stinks.

Obama Administration's take on an old biblical passage:
If you give a man hope of getting a job, he will vote Democrat for a year. If you give a man a welfare check, a free cell phone, free Internet, food stamps, section 8 housing, free contraceptives, ninety-nine weeks of unemployment, free health care and free medicine... He will vote Democrat the rest of his life and several more times after he's dead.

Sam

On the day of this tragedy, the community organizer gives a partisan speech instead of a leaders message.

looking around

Sam, you obviously didn't listen. The President addressed all issues, the ongoing tragedy while the investigation and police action was still underway and also issues on the agenda for the scheduled address. The world didn't stop turning.

Sam

looking around, obviously you missed the point, a competent commander in chief would never give a highly unrelated partisan speech while a tragedy of this type was unfolding on a military base..

shucks

Who the hell do you think you are ?

Centauri

"Who the hell do you think you are ?"

Centauri

Big Dog!

Tell me what is the TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LIE to me and I will come after you!!!!!!!!!!!!

shucks

Threats from somebody who spys on everybody using gov't records but doesn't want others or the gov't to spy on him.

Amazingly hypocritical.

Centauri

Too bad. Government records are public records.

Internet trolls and flamers are fair game.

Obama, Holder and NSA work for the US citizens. They need to be reminded.

Centauri

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20...
"Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said Thursday that the top secret court order for telephone records is a three-month renewal of an ongoing practice. She spoke to reporters at a Capitol Hill news conference."

Feinstein approves of this message. Give her a big smooch.

http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediase...

The Big Dog's back

Wackadoo.

Sam

That's the pot calling the kettle black.

shucks

Rubbish, Centauri

"Internet trolls and flamers are fair game."
.................. just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them a troll or flamer.

You are a failure at being the judge and jury.

Darwins choice and contango are pinnacle examples of trolls and flamers.
You don't threaten them because they don't push back.

Searching and snooping on people is ok when YOU decide it's ok - when it serves YOUR pleasure , oh defender of the 4th amendment.

Great hypocrisy on your part.

Darwin's choice

Azzhat!

shucks

Hi , SHITfor-brains.

Centauri

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...
Hitler Survivor Condemns Gun Control 'KEEP YOUR GUNS, BUY MORE GUNS' - Katie Worthman

Published on Feb 19, 2013

hitler worthman | Katie Worthman was born in Austria, and lived there for seven years under Hitlers brutal regime, and after world war II, she also lived three years under Soviet communist occupation. Needless to say, but Mrs. Worthman is someone who has an acute awareness of how media distorts things and tyranny comes to power. Mrs. Worthman, not only says that the media was wrong about how Hitler came to power, but she says that "In the beginning, Hitler didn't look like, or talk like a monster at all. He talked like an American politician."

She says that the story of Hitler overthrowing governments and people in order to come to power just simply isn't true, but rather the Austrian people elected Hitler with 98% of the vote at the ballot box. Mrs. Worthman then goes on to say that the Austrian people had guns, but the government began to say that they were dangerous, so they began to implement gun registration. Then she said this was followed by turning in their weapons to the police station in order to cut down on crime, and if citizens didn't... there would be capital punishment.

Mrs. Worthman says that the dictatorship, "didn't happen over night, but it took 5 years, gradually, little by little, to escalate to a dictatorship."

She then goes on to say that, "When the people fear the government, that's tyranny, but when the government fears the people, that's liberty."

As a Nazi survivor, what is her advice to us... "Keep your guns, keep your guns and buy more guns."

Centauri

http://abundanthope.net/pages/Tr...
This article is not intended to be anti-semitic. It's only purpose is to to bring attention to global issues effecting everyone, Jewish or non. It is also not the intent to place specific blame for any incident/s on persons of any faiths, groups or organizations. There are bad and good people in all faiths and in all people regardless of their heritages.

Centauri

http://fightingforliberty.ning.c...
Israeli Dual Citizen Dianne Feinstein Forced to Resign as Chairperson Because of Her Insider Trading/Treason

http://www.theguardian.com/world...
"Details of the intelligence-sharing agreement are laid out in a memorandum of understanding between the NSA and its Israeli counterpart that shows the US government handed over intercepted communications likely to contain phone calls and emails of American citizens. The agreement places no legally binding limits on the use of the data by the Israelis."

Centauri

http://www.viewzone.com/dualciti...
"Dual Citizenship -- Loyal to Whom?"

shucks

Looks like a demonizing campaign against her just because she wants tougher gun control.

Darwin's choice

Forget what you were going to bs about? Or, your tongue stuck on Big Dogs but?

shucks

loser

arnmcrmn

more name calling from the liberal crew. Name calling and no links. Just ramblings, entitlements and give me more of your money attitude. How pathetic.

Texx Reloader

This tragedy should make it quite obvious gun control don't work. If they can't get AR15's, they will get shotguns, if not shotguns, axes, knives, etc. China is the most controlled population in the world and you still have a significant number of people each year running amok with stabbing and slashing instruments, killing people. As long as we continue to glorify violence in the media, simpletons will act it out. Even the stronger minds will adopt the negative connotations of such imput. It is possible to create drama in a manner people don't get killed by others. Take the movie Backdraft. There is a market for that, and it should be grown. People used to think a movie couldn't be good unless it was filled with profanity. Pressure was brought to bear, and I didn't even realize some of the movies I was watching were just as good without it, until recently. It can be done.

Centauri

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/...
"Feinstein Uses 'Fast and Furious' to Make Case for National Gun Registration"

"Making a case for national gun registration, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said “perhaps mistakes were made” in the botched gun-walking program known as Fast and Furious, but she said trying to assign blame misses the larger problem."

"“My concern, Mr. Chairman, is that there’s been a lot said about Fast and Furious, and perhaps mistakes were made,” Feinstein said. “But I think this hunt for blame doesn’t really speak about the problem. And the problem is, anybody can walk in and buy anything.”

"anybody can walk in and buy anything" is not true at all. Feinstein is a LIAR!

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/0...
"Democratic California Sen. Dianne Feinstein told a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing that lax gun control laws, not Obama administration malfeasance within the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF), was the real problem uncovered by Operation Fast and Furious."

LIAR Feinstein cannot handle the truth!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/...
"On Sunday night, the Spanish-language Univision News aired a “bombshell” hour-long report on their investigation into Operation Fast and Furious, revealing brand new evidence of international weapons smuggling by the U.S. government.

In other words, Univision News took on the job that the mainstream media in the U.S. has failed to do thus far. They also displayed extremely disturbing images of the bloody carnage that occurred as a result of the misguided program."

Those "Fast and Furious" guns are still killing people in Mexico and also Americans in states such as Arizona. The problem is that American news media will not report the facts because it would hurt the image of Feinstein, Holder, Obama and many others. Those military grade weapons are no match for people in Arizona trying to protect themselves with shotguns, bolt action rifles and low capacity semi-autos. Some people in Arizona cannot find ammunition for their guns due to shortages. Homeland Security is buying up all of the ammo so that the citizens cannot use their guns against the drug cartel criminals who cross into Arizona and other states at will, kill Americans and then run back to Mexico. The American news media refuses to report this. Feinstein is a domestic enemy of the United States.

I consider some of the people here posting comments in support of Feinstein to also be domestic enemies as well. They fully support to slowly take all weapons away from Americans. They also tell us to "move" to another country if we do not agree with Feinstein's agenda and others who slowly take away our rights.

At one time, Americans owned military grade firearms, the same type that soldiers used during the American Revolution, Civil War and the first World War.

Our firearms are useless if ammunition cannot be bought for them. Some Americans cannot afford the high prices of ammunition. A .22 Long Rifle bullet is no match against the high powered firearms of the Mexican drug cartel. People in Arizona are very afraid of the "Fast and Furious" weapons paid for by the American taxpayers.

Centauri

It is a shame that a foreign news media prompts a Congressional inquiry.

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univis...
"Univision News' Fast and Furious Investigation Prompts Congressional Inquiry"

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitba...
"The Full Devastating Fast And Furious Exposé By Univision"

Centauri

News from the people of Arizona

http://standwitharizona.com/blog...
"Today is National Remembrance Day for Americans Killed by Illegal Aliens"

"More than 50,000 Americans have been killed by illegal aliens since 9/11."

"More than 6,000 U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan since that same date. But nearly ten times that number have been killed right here at home as a consequence of the Federal government’s failure to secure our borders and protect its citizens, in direct violation of the Constitution’s Article IV Section 4:"

"More than 50,000 dead as a direct result of this violation. Yet the media ignores the victims. And politicians don’t recognize the loss of tens of thousands of families."

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/...
H.R. 3168 (112th): Illegal Alien Crime Reporting Act of 2011

The Bill died.

Americans are being murdered by illegals everyday yet Feinstein doesn't care.

https://ssl.congress.org/congres...
"Letter to Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-California): Courts and Sanctuary Cities Sit Idly By As Illegal Aliens Kill Americans"

"Unfortunately, neither the US Government nor the states track illegal alien crime against Americans. The only way to get a flavor for how bad the situation has become is by doing research on your own. If you attempt this, you may find that you have to dig however. That's because the mainstream press often leaves out information regarding the immigration status of criminals in the stories they write."

The Big Dog's back

Wackadoo.

Centauri

Troll and flamer. I have a way of dealing with trolls and flamers with my bag of dirty tricks. :)

Centauri

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G...
Anonymous - #OpNSA: Senator Dianne Feinstein

Ned Mandingo

I love how you sheeple repeat the Main Stream medias opinion that they brain wash into you.

Simple Enough II

Maybe the answer is euthanization? For all those prochoice folks out there think of it just as a "late term" procedure and for those that support the death penalty just consider it "pre-emptive execution". What do we do with the high cost of dealing with "mentally ill" people. The cost is not cheap and the hard part is ensuring that those folks stay on their meds, heck we have folks that get their government check and then off to the crack house they go, now doesn't that just make you all tingley inside. Yes i know not all mentally ill people do that, but plenty do. So what do we do, lock them up for their own good? sounds like we are taking their right of choice away from them aren't we? But once again gun control isn't the answer, I'm sure there were all kinds of warning signs about this guy and everyone one just ignored it "as this is not my problem", "I don't want to get involved" or " let someone else deal with it".

Centauri

http://www.newyorker.com/online/...
"An Avoidable Tragedy: Aaron Alexis and Mental Illness"

"Stigma haunts the whole field of mental health. Very few people with mental illnesses commit crimes, and it is misleading and unhelpful to suggest otherwise. It needlessly shames people with legitimate complaints and causes them to hide their mental-health status from those around them."

"Screening is virtually nonexistent. Alexis was clearly depressed, and he was also delusional. The story of his complaining that microwaves were being sent through the hotel ceiling to keep him awake is a story of someone with escalating psychosis. The story of his fight at the airport in Virginia, where he accused a woman he didn’t know of laughing at him, reflects acute symptomatic paranoia. The issue of his getting so angry that he fired bullets into the tires of the car of someone who had disrespected him is indicative of extremely labile mood states. And on and on. Not long ago, he went to a V.A. hospital with acute insomnia, which is sometimes a sign of underlying mental disorders, and yet no one screened him there for mental illness, not even for P.T.S.D., which should be a standard procedure at V.A. hospitals."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-5052...
"Navy Yard suspect Aaron Alexis sought treatment for mental issues"

"There were mental issues that he sought help for from the VA a number of times. He was ... acting normally during work and then having these episodes for which he was trying to get treatment."

The Big Dog's back

The NRA convention in North Carolina was weapons free. None allowed inside. Can you say HYPOCRITES!

Centauri

The NRA obeyed North Carolina state law about weapons at the convention center. You failed to mention that truth.

"North Carolina State law prohibits the carrying of firearms in the Charlotte Convention Center, and the Time Warner Cable Arena. In addition, the Rules and Regulations of the Charlotte Convention Center prohibit the carrying of firearms in the Center. Pursuant to Time Warner Cable Arena policy, all individuals entering the Arena will be subject to a magnetometer security check."

http://static.charlotteconventio...
7.30 DANGEROUS WEAPONS

http://www.ncdoj.gov/getdoc/3234...
NORTH CAROLINA FIREARMS LAWS

EZOB

No guns necessary as long as there are no "Crazy Liberals" around. Crazy Left-Wing Liberal are the ones responsible for all the Mass Murders. As long as you vote Republican or Indepenent you should be issued a gun if you don't already own a few.

registerer

Chicago, the democrat's home base, has arguably the toughest set of gun laws in the country. How's that working for them? bahahaha. Not very well as it has the second highest murder rate and they aren't being committed by rolled up newspapers.