Pay-to-play fees due Nov. 6

Perkins Schools fees, to be fully paid day after November levy election, range from $730 per high school sport to $100 per club
Alissa Widman Neese
Aug 19, 2013

 

Fall athletes at Perkins Schools must pay all their participation fees by Nov. 6, according to guidelines the district released this week.
 
Click the link below to view a chart of data illustrating how Perkins Schools calculated the pay-to-participate fees.
 
The one-page outline details the specifics of the recently hiked fees, which were officially implemented after a majority of voters rejected the district’s 10-year, 6.73-mill emergency operating levy proposal Aug. 6.
 
The fees, according to the guidelines:
•$730 per high school sport.
•$220 per high school music participation (band or choir).
•$185 per middle school sport.
•$100 per high school or middle school club, although the amount approved on the Perkins school board meeting agenda in June was $150.
 
Pay-to-participate fees for athletes will cover transportation fees and coach and adviser salaries, according to the guidelines. They will also cover the athletic director Mike Strohl’s salary and benefits, about $109,000, and athletic secretary Linda Bixler’s salary and benefits, about $27,000.
 
Perkins Schools calculated the cost of pay-to-participate fees by adding the total cost of each sport and dividing by 622, the total number of athletes participating in district sport in the past school year, according to data the Register obtained from treasurer Lisa Crescimano.
 
The calculation means all athletes will pay the same fee, even if one sport is costlier than another.
 
The costliest sport per player is girls basketball, at $1,240, while the cheapest sport per player is cheerleading, at $373, according to the data. Sports cost the district $454,000 total this past school year.
 
If a majority of voters approve the November levy — identical to the levy they rejected in May — all fees paid up to that point will be refunded, according to the guidelines. Pay-to-participate fees will return to $35 for high school sports and $25 for middle school sports. Students participating in band and and choir will no longer pay fees.
 
Perkins Schools administrators will release more information regarding pay-to-participate fees Tuesday. Pick up Wednesday’s Register for details.
 

Comments

Brainiac2007

I hate to tell you Perkins but you FORCE kids to participate in band or choir so that will not be paid at that rate, I believe you guys are truly asking for trouble! I'm not afraid to hire a lawyer. ... you guys are idiots!

fifteenthgreen

2 families sue Ann Arbor schools over fees for 7th-hour classes:

http://annarbor.com/news/educati...

Tool Box

If they are making the kids take the class then it falls under the school curriculum course schedule and additional fees cannot be mandated. Take them to court!

WesTaylor

Band and choir are electives. Students ELECT to take them. They do not need to take them to graduate. Because of choice, it will never hold up in court.

fifteenthgreen

Wrong, Wes. They may be an "elective" but are the same as an art credit, which is required. We just went through it with our daughter. Nice twist. It may be tested in court. Plenty of case law in relation to this crap out there. $220 for choir is ludicrous!

WesTaylor

Do your homework. They do not need to take music or art at all in high school. They fulfill their graduation requirement in 7th and 8th grade. This sucks that I have to PROVE my points, while you just RANT.

fifteenthgreen

How are they going to fulfill your alleged requirement when the programs no longer exist in the middle school? How come my child has to fulfill this requirement at the high school level, and pay for it? Get your facts straight, twister.

Bherrle

Concert choir fulfills the requirement, and is free. My daughter is taking it this year.

fifteenthgreen

Is it accredited in the junior high and waives the necessity to take an art in high school? How many credits/units for concert choir are applied to the five necessary for graduation? Also, this could be considered a major loophole to avoid paying fees at the high school level. Those that didn't previously get these requirements in at the middle school level are being forced to pay for it financially now. Sort of like the grandfather clause, I guess?
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3313.603

Also, does the Middle School Concert Choir use busing for off school performances, i.e. OVH performances, Kalahari Christmas, etc.?

Bherrle

The concert choir course I am speaking of is at the high school.

From the Grave

Just vote yessssssssssssss................

Wald

Why? There's no reason to. As we're seeing, Perkins is doing just fine.

Smoke

Do we need a athletic director at $109,000 for 9 months work? Perkins is a small school.No wonder the school needs money,they spend money like it's OSU.

Fromthe419

Re:Pay-to-participate fees for athletes will cover transportation fees and coach and adviser salaries, according to the guidelines. They will also cover the athletic director Mike Strohl’s salary and benefits, about $109,000, and athletic secretary Linda Bixler’s salary and benefits, about $27,000.

When I was in high school the Athletic Director was also the shop teacher. The AD was a part time job. Has the job changed that much in 25 years? Or is this a case of creating a full time job to help a buddy out?

PTBarnumWouldBeProud

Well, Title IX was in it's infancy 25 years ago.

Tool Box

No need for a director. Coaches can report to the principal like they do in grade school.

WesTaylor

There are no sports in grade school.

Tool Box

I'm sorry, I consider middle school grade school because it is pre-high school.

Raoul Duke

You mean AN athletic director, of course. Good Lord.

fifteenthgreen

Perkins is now one of the highest schools in the state for pay to play:

http://news.cincinnati.com/artic...

Why is Band and Choir being counted as a sport when it is a state requisite?

Coaching/Music/Choir supplemental pay scale:

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

Informed

Neither band nor choir are state requirements. A fine art credit is. That could be art class.

fifteenthgreen

Informed? But "fine art" is and music and choir fall under the "fine arts" classification thus providing those taking the class a credit. They give you the option of either or, meaning art class, music or choir. If music and choir were not credited as fine arts, you would have over two hundred additional kids in art class and band and choir would truly be just a sport and not a recognized, credited class.

So if it is a district and state recognized "fine art" credit, why the excessive fees or any at all? Gas to football games? Two or three contests? Skip the five away games and save the parents some money. In addition, why hold a camp at Kelleys Island when it could be held on the mainland at a minimal cost to the parents? What cost is their camp?

Informed

Agreed. But you originally said either band or choir was required. I was merely pointing out that is wasn't, which is true.

fifteenthgreen

Informed - I would love to see what the parents of students in the band program alone pay per year including this additional $220.

sash

Not sure of the cost this year, but last year was about $340 per kid. All camp costs are paid for by the students and the Band Boosters.

fifteenthgreen

Thank you, sash. Getting expensive when you start adding it all up. You have to admit, an additional $220 for band or choir is a bit much!

fifteenthgreen

Alissa -

Since Band and Choir are credited classes and included in this pay to play program, could you please get a break down of the same said costs per student as the athletic programs. I think the public might be surprised! Thanks.

local man

I would contribute $10 to the cause if someone stopped by with a fundraising card.

fifteenthgreen

Despite Medina school levy defeat, Board cuts in half pay-to-play fees:

http://www.cleveland.com/medina/...

VOTENO

$109k for an athletic director AND he needs a $27k secretary? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Really vote NO in NOvember! What a mess!

My thoughts

Juat an FYI: The $109K is with benefits. Salaries of some local ADs per the Buckeye Institute and their hourly wage using the days and hours listed:

Perkins Strohl $80,724 (38.81)
Clyde Greenslade $63,946 (35.53)
Oak Harbor Grahl $78,095 (45.28)
Sandusky Sackkett $80,724 (46.16) she is no longer there and the new AD's salary isn't listed.
There was no salary for Huron's Camella listed and for Edison's Jeffrey. I could not locate the name of the Port Clinton AD and did not lookup the AD at Margaretta since it is substantially smaller than the other schoole mentioned. In comparison, the Perkins ADs salary is favorable to the others. If you want to argue that all ADs are overpaid and the benefits would skew the numbers I can't find any data to dispute that claim. Also, the Perkins athletic secretary makes $19.16 an hour per the numbers while Edison's athletic secretary (the only other school that lsited one that I saw) was $16.90 an hour.

fifteenthgreen

Thanks. Still too high!

Ithink

You'd be surprised at the 'much smaller' Margaretta AD's salary.

WesTaylor

and the Super's salary.....holy cow! Look up the local superintendent salaries! Gunner is a steal.

fifteenthgreen

Gunner is a what? I guess if he's a steal, we're getting what we pay for!

bobshumway92

Holy moly! Spread the word. Vote no.

Perkins Resident

The word was already out on the streets about the Athletic Director and his secretary's salary. The folks I talked to changed from yes to no voters.

Perkins2060

LOL! They can't be serious. No way a levy passes.

VOTENO

You can't make this stuff up. Gunner needs to be fired.

queenjhb

Perkins pay to play is the highest in the state of Ohio, Its to force parents to vote [yes] in November. Its insulting! Mike Strohl can take a pay cut to save the familys some cash, can't you? Do your own secretarial work , or have some Senior student interns do it as a learning experience. How about volunteer coaches helping out. Athletic Director , DUH.

VOTENO

They need to clean house!

fifteenthgreen

I'm waiting for them to charge for an education beyond "effective".

VOTENO

Maybe they could charge for using the restroom. $2 to take a dump and a buck to take a leak. Maybe charge to park? We could be on to something here. Why not take out the drinking fountains and sell bottled water? I should stop. They just might try it.

tk

That wouldn't work. They would have to hire a restroom monitor to check the toilet.

VOTENO

Maybe one of the numerous administrators would volunteer their time.

CAST THE FIRST STONE

Schools are out of control. Retire at 55 and get 85% no where else on this planet. Stop the madness

Wald

Teachers can retire at age 65 or after 35 years of teaching, whichever comes first.

CAST THE FIRST STONE

i know 2 teachers from norwalk that did retire at 55 so maybe they are different. My friend in dayton will be at age 53 with all bennys

Wald

The 65 or 35 goes into effect this year or next year, I believe.

Edwin Ison

Teachers get no where near 85% retirement and certainly do not keep full benefits.

A teacher retiring at 55 with 25 years only collects 43% of their final average salary.

And even those numbers will be phased out the next four years and become even less attractive.

Teachers will contribute 14% of their salary to retirement by 2016. It is 12% now.

retired teachers are guaranteed NO retirement health benefits, they must purchase health coverage.

VOTENO

NOvember!

CAST THE FIRST STONE

so are you saying vote no

VOTENO

Vote NO in NOvember!

ok

My vote was a yes, now, its a no. Why? I feel like they aren't listening to the people. They are asking for a levy that was already turned down. They are holding people hostage with this pay to play deal. If you pass the levy you wont have to pay the fee? An A.D. that makes over $109 K with a secretary that makes over $27 K. The math tells me they are spending $136K plus benifits for 2 people. I will now vote NO, just on pricipal alone, no matter what they put up.

VOTENO

You are not alone. A lot of others feel the same way. Vote NO in NOvember!

The New World Czar

November 5th is the next levy vote and November 6th the fall sports fees due date...how convenient.

Any possibility that the Athletic Department will be leading up the "Get Out the OVH Vote" program again?>

I'm Done

Here's one for you, I guess there is an anonymous donor that paid for the whole football team and football only. Think about it, no football, no stadium, no sponsors. What about the other fall sports players? I guess they can work money off by volunteering to run concessions, timers, clean stadium and so forth and again, not all sports teams were offered this deal. Where is the money coming from and were the kids who quite due do the cost notified? NO. How wrong is that? Board didn't think the levy was going to go down so now they are scrambling. A bunch of idiots. Totally based on politics and NOT the students.

fifteenthgreen

Disclosure at the bottom of the pay to play policy:

"The Board of Education will accept donations to offset cost. Please
contact the Superintendent or Treasurer for information."

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

I personally think that if someone is going to make such a donation, it should go into a pool lessening the burden on all participants and their parents. If those in favor of said levy would donate what they would have had to pay in taxes should the levy had passed, the fees would be mostly, if not completely, covered.

sash

Must be varsity players only, or only a rumor, because I know the JV players are paying.

WesTaylor

false.

West 99

Don't worry low income families and open enroll- this fee does not apply to you

PTBarnumWouldBeProud

Yes it does.

I'm Done

If the levy passes then are donations refunded or does the district keep the money? Wonder what pot that would go in?

fifteenthgreen

Refunded.

fifteenthgreen

Extortion?

VOTENO

I say all parents don't pay any of this. If everyone doesn't pay, what can they do? Parents stick together and don't pay!

Wald

The donation to football-only fees speaks volumes about priorities in Perkins. Please vote NO in November.

My thoughts

Before the last election the "no" voters were saying that anyone who wanted sports should donate the money to the schools. Now, a rumor on here states that someone did just that and they get ripped for their priorities. If you think Perkins is football crazy take a look East at Huron which has a football only booster club.

Wald

Donating money to the schools would be great, My thoughts. Unfortunately, instead of donating to the schools, who are laying off teachers and cutting programs, it was donated to football only. Like I said, nice set of priorities.

Pirate Mom

The football donation is a rumor. No money was donated to any sport program.

WesTaylor

This didn't happen.

lifetimeresident

I heard SMCC is thinking about purchasing the school. They need more room.

WesTaylor

They just closed one of their buildings to consolidate. Try again.

Gardenman

Lets see the coaches take a 50% pay cut in their supplemental contracts for coaching. Lets tell them the same things we voters heard, Its for the kids, its for the kids well beiing, its only a few cents a day, do what is best for the kids,,,,,, Common on coaches lets see you folks step up to the plate as you wanted we voters to do a couple weeks ago.

Last but not least....$109,000 for an athletic director and a $27,000 secretary to boot. YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING !!!! This guy no matter how qualified is way overpaid. There has to be a person that can do the job just as well for 1/2 or more cut in pay. For that kid of money let the athletic director be his own secretary.

osubuckeyes_1

http://www.tos.ohio.gov/Transpar...

Check out for your self the salaries of other Athletic Directors around Ohio! You will be amazed on how generous this school distict is with its pay to one of its own. Also, take into account how large some of these schools are in size compare to the athletic department at Perkins. Some of these larger schools have other sports programs, (Hockey, bowling, etc) plus the amount of students that participate well exceed the numbers that Perkins AD has to deal with! Ask yourself after looking at this, " Are you as tax payers, getting your Money'$ Worth?"

fifteenthgreen

Band Director One:

Base Salary - $ 76,646.64
Marching Band Supplemental - $4,926.59
Wind Ensemble/Pit Orch. Supplemental - $3,031.97
Music Supplemental - 15 days - $6,214.65

Total: $90,819.85 not including benefit package

Informed

Okay,have you ever been involved in marching band? All the hours of summer and after-school practices, not to mention game nights, are a part-time job, hence the supplemental. I'm not going to defend the others because I don't know what those are. But to expect someone to work 10-20 hours a week extra and not get paid is ridiculous.

fifteenthgreen

Choir Director One:

Base Salary - $66,194.82
Middle School Supplemental: $2,273.98
High School Supplemental: $2,652.97

Total: $71,121.77 not including benefits

fifteenthgreen

Informed - My point is, if you take the $220 Band Pay to Play fee and multiply that times the 160 average number of kids in the program, that's $35,200. That's a lot of gas for five away football games and a few contests.

Let's say roughly 100 kids take choir and multiply that times the Choir Pay to Play fee of $220, that's $22,000 in additional revenue for what? They don't go anywhere. Maybe two contests. That's it.

What are these fees for? Is it to cover supplementals?

Between Band and Choir Pay to Play, that's roughly $57,200 in extra revenue for what?

Informed

Agreed.

ladydye_5

Your comments on the band/choir.......do you have something against them? Or do you just not like them? Are you just PRO sports? These kids deserve just as much attention and support as the sports and other activities. They do go places. They are in just as many contests and competitions. Maybe not at Perkins but other schools are in competitions. There are awards and contests to WIN and scholarships to earn, just like SPORTS. The lessons, dedication, discipline ,friendships, and experiences are just as important as anything they would learn on a field/court.

fifteenthgreen

I agree and I am Pro Arts, especially a successful and prestigious arts program like ours. My point is why the pay to play fees for a class? I consider Band and Choir a class with the band having supporting roles with sports, etc...., i.e. football, basketball, musical, etc... What is the roughly $60,000 in fees going towards? Fuel? Supplementals? I'm simply using this program and salary structure as an example.

Also, if you are for this Superintendent and BOE, why were they so willing to write a check for 1.7 million dollars for a stadium but have not offered to help the music program replace 13 year old uniforms at the cost of $75,000? The band boosters depleted their own funds in contribution to the athletic boosters 1.7 million dollar contribution to same said stadium. I don't see them writing the band a check!!! Or the choir for robes!!!

Hey Sup, BOE and athletic boosters, you going to write these guys a check for uniforms so they can play at your five home halftime shows? You going to cover their expenses so they can play at your five away games? No, you charge them $220 per student for gas!

ladydye_5

I do not even live in Perkins. Just watching the story. I agree with you though. Too much was put into the stadium and football. It is that way in EVERY school. I think too much emphasis is put on sports. There is more to life than football. Good luck with your school.

underthebridge

Excellent post!

citizen

Informed- As the tax increase supporters like to tell us- IT'S FOR THE KIDS!

You must have never worked in a corporate job where you believe it's unheard of to work 10-20 extra hours per week? Welcome to the real world! Man, I wish I got a stipend for every extra thing I did... plus a guaranteed retirement after 30 years!

Informed

This isn't about me, but yes, I have worked salary jobs before--they suck sometimes, sometimes they don't. But in terms of the band director, these marching band duties are in addition to regular duties, not a part of them. Why do you expect someone to do a second job and not get paid for it?
Maybe you should have been a teacher if you wish so badly for those things.

citizen

Why do I expect someone to work extra hours and not get paid for it?

FOR THE KIDS!!!

Isn't that what the tax increase supporters want everyone else to do? Sacrifice... for their kids. A couple less nights out a month, a couple less 6 packs, a few less Starbucks. Because, you know, it's for the kids!

I expect coaches and teachers to give up their stipends... FOR THE KIDS!

Gardenman

I think you have to look at this not as one who is involved in marching band program but a person who pays taxes in Perkins. These are salaries that are just not substainable with current taxes paid as we can see nor are they substainable with continured trips to the polls for ever more increases.

You say a person can not expect to work 10-20 hours and not get paid...lets poll the English teachers, Science teachers, Math teachers you name it and I bet you they work beyond the school day quite a few hours and I bet you they too work 10 + hours. Should we too give them a supplemental for working at home etc, on school matters? Fair is Fair !!!!!

Like it or not the work comes with the job. It means working football games with the band etc. If that is not to one's liking then the answer is fairly easy.....QUIT and find another job !!! I am sure their are others out their that would do the job within a reasonable amount of pay.

Let's face fact....none of these coaches, athletic director, band, supplemental contract holders are God's Gift to Perkins Schools System. If voters are asked to sacrifice so can these employees.

Informed

None of the other teachers have to work beyond their contracted time to get paid, so why would a band director? A band director also works at home beyond the 10-20 (closer to 20) hours of extra marching band time. When do you think they pick out and order sheet music, make-up marching formations, organize their contests and concerts, etc. No other teacher has to be at work in the evenings or weekends (for games, concerts, contests) unless it is a school-wide event, like an open house or parent-teacher conferences. They earn every bit of their marching band stipend. Objecting the base pay, benefits, or retirement is one thing. But do not expect someone to do an extra part-time job that is outside of the scope of the regular job and not get paid for it. If a math, science, or English teacher worked as a school tutor 10-20 hours a week after school and on nights and weekends, they would expect to be paid as well.

Gardenman

Informed you are not selling me or others with the overworked and assume you would say underpaid band director. We could well say picking out and ordering sheet music is a part of prep and like all teachers they have prep period for doing just that.

I don't think the band director or others in similar situation work harder or longer than subject teachers in the classroom. Only difference is they get paid more often for hours worked beyond the school day than the classroom subject teacher. We have very dedicated classroom teachers as we do band directors with each dong their best to impart knowledge on the students who enter their classrooms be it the football field in marching band too.

This might be a good time for those with supplemental contracts to show they really do care about students over their billfolds and take a cut to lessen the impart of pay to participate on the very students they wish to impart knowledge,

Informed

Of course band directors work longer when it's marching band season. Do other teachers spend 12 hours a day for a week with kids in the summer? Do they work with kids for 4-6 hours during games nights? Do they work with them 2-3 hours a day after school or in the evening for practice? You sound clueless.
Of course picking our and ordering sheet music is part of their prep time. I was just giving that as an example of something they might do at home on their own time.
I don't know if the Perkins band director is underpaid or overpaid. I don't know much about him/her. But I do know to expect a teacher or anyone else to do a second job and not pay them is ludicrous!
Teachers did not cause this mess. Gunner and the board did. Place blame where blame should lie.

fifteenthgreen

Informed -

Not sure where this is going. The director(s) teach one evening, Thursday night, from 6-9 pm, from the start of the school year through October and this is by choice, not necessity. No after school rehearsals take place after school unless it is that of the staff, i.e. flag corp, drill team, etc... and they are paid, supplemental employees. Occasionally, a lesson is given by a director. Sheet music and music selection is done during school hours and is no different than preparing a lesson plan. Twelve hours a day during the summer is again by choice and not mandated or necessary to field a band. Camp again is not mandated but takes place due to their own traditions and choice. Again, not necessary to simply field a band for ten halftime shows.

The band director(s) are paid appropriately based on years of service, education, success and results.

My whole point was not to create a band battle or bring negative light to their program or salaries. It's the pay to play that rubs me the wrong way with band and choir classes and these two entities are being used as a pawn to achieve one thing...get votes.

Gardenman

Well said and I too do not believe band directors or choir directors work inordinately more than a classroom teacher. If anyting they are compensated more often than a classroom teacher for the work they do beyond the school day.

I think or founding fathers in creating in the state constitution that a public education will be provided by the citizens felt that school was from the start of the school day till the end of the established school day. Now if parents want their child to play football, basketball, march in the band at football games and those are all outside the normal school day then that should be paid for by the parents.

I don't think the lady who lives next door to me and has only a Social Security income should be saddled with paying for the kid across the street who choses to play on the varsity football tean That is the kid's choice and thus the parent/s responsibility to foot or in this case pay the plat to participate fees.

I am hard pressed to see any reason why any parent in the Perkins City Schools should not feel an obligation to pay for their child to participate in things like sports, clubs, music, etc. that happen OUTSIDE the school day. Those are the options and ornaments to a basid education that the taxpayers provide in a normal school day.

sash

Plus the man has been Perkins band director for 34 years! Give me a break! The system has over a $20 millon budget and completely eliminating band, chorus and ALL the sports isn't going to make up the projected deficit next year. Eliminating sports would only make a tiny difference and music or art is a State requirement for graduation. These are easy targets, however, in the overall budget they don't make much difference. Where do you come up with $3 million in savings?

queenjhb

Gardenman-great points, good ideas. Hey, I hope they lay off the OVH residents, that was shameful.....If my dad was in there and they trotted him out to vote, there would be heck to pay. .Respect the VETS..

queenjhb

15th green- What? $90,819.85..... Band Director?...........Its time to [think of the kids] take a pay cut, c'mon , think of it as a donation , you can do it. We thank you for this donation.

Informed

That's for a full-time job plus three part-time jobs.

citizen

BUT, it's FOR THE KIDS!!! He can work a couple extra hours a week, right?

All the tax increase supporters asked the entire community to do that... sacrifice for the kids!

VOTENO

All teachers, coaches, and staff should take a pay cut. Cut pizza out one night a month. Do without that 6 pack for a week. Cut the number of cigarettes you smoke. It's for the kids. Come on Perkins schools employees. Let's do it for the kids.

Good 2 B Me

Sounding a lot like what they are telling the rest of us to do huh!

VOTENO

It's for the kids!

Good 2 B Me

Support our Students! - Meadowlawn Message Board

VOTENO

Just one less bottle of wine per week. Come on Perkins Schools employees! You can do it! Quit being so selfish! It's for the kids!

VOTENO

Switch from Starbucks over to Folgers! Come on Perkins Schools employees! It's for the kids! We don't want Gunner to dismantle our district! Do it for the kids!

VOTENO

Did Gunner move here yet?

Good 2 B Me

I am going to have to stay the course and VOTE NO!

The Pay for Play money being due the Day after the levy vote? You really must think that we are stupid. Oh wait, youDO THINK THAT WE ARE STUPID! Please. Time for Change! Vote out BOE and then go after Gunner! I might consider voting yes if they could get their S__T together...and get rid of BOE/Gunner!

VOTENO

Voting NO until board is replaced (not Bennett) and Gunner is fired or resigns.

Vote NO in NOvember!

Kenith

Then you should run for School Board in November. It’s very easy to log on to a newspaper website and speak your mind. It’s a lot harder to stand up and do something about it.

Fromthe419

I own a local business, I am willing to take the AD job for free, I posted earlier the high school I went to the AD was a shop teacher and the job AD was supplemental income. I'll do it for free (if you want to give me insurance..I'll take it). If memory serves me correctly, he got about 10k for doing this job to supplement his income being a teacher. How in the world did we end up with full time AD's making 109k?

citizen

Register-

Can we get a final, confirmed listing of the names and positions of teachers that were actually eliminated due to the failed building levy?

Can we also get an analysis as to how the district has been "dismantled" to date... as Gunner was recorded on this very website stating numerous times that was sure to happen if the Aug levy failed.

Fromthe419

Want to eliminate pay to play, put sponsorship on the jerseys, I am sure there are a few local businesses that wouldn't mind having their brand put out there on the jerseys. Let them write it off and the advertising would be priceless. If I was going to buy a car and had a student playing for Perkins and saw a Kasper or what ever name on the jersey, I would go there first knowing they were helping my child play football, basketball etc.

fifteenthgreen

Great suggestion! Probably wouldn't fly advertising on the jerseys/uniforms but maybe getting businesses to sponsor sports, music, clubs etc... would work as long as it was distributed equally. Also, I agree I would strongly support those that would openly do this!

sash

The OHSSA prohibits advertising or promotional insignia on student uniforms.

EZOB

They could have saved another 13,000 by not putting this on the November ballot. This levy will be defeated by a huge margin this time. They keep digging us in deeper and deeper and like the National scene it is going to take awhile before any elected BOE members recieve our trust again.

The New World Czar

The article failed to mention that the due date for the pay-to-play fees is one day after the next levy vote.

Not like anything isn't being held over on anyone this time around...

sash

The balance is due Nov.6, but the first payment of $180 is due by August 30.

citizen

The "balance due"???

Over 75% of the fee for the fall season is due AFTER the fall season.

fifteenthgreen

And after the levy vote!

stepham2009

Perkins Schools Administrators should be ASHAMED of themselves!!! They are LITERALLY holding students HOSTAGE over not getting what they wanted with the levy that just failed...who can actually AFFORD $730 PER SPORT PER CHILD?!?!?!? What if there are more than 1 child that plays sports in a family? You are essentially FORCING parents to CHOOSE which child they allow to play sports!!! This is GREED at it MOST DISGUSTING level!! Why is the AD making OVER $109000 per year? And I agree why does he NEED a secretary??? Sounds just like it is...Positions for "buddies" so they can make an EASY living off the backs of the parents and students in the Perkins School district.....I have a dear friend whose children attend Perkins and she is DEVASTATED over these fees because her family just cannot AFFORD to pay such high prices.....Does the Perkins school board and superintendent REALIZE that some of these kids in sports are DEPENDING on their talent to get scholarships to go to college?? What are they to do now???? SHAME SHAME SHAME on you Perkins for using SCARE tactics to try and FORCE a YES vote in November....I fear your little stunt here is going to BACKFIRE on you TERRIBLY as you will LOSE all of your STAR players to other school districts as well as a good number of your students....It is already happening and you REFUSE to back down and make it affordable for these kids to play because all you see is dollar signs....What will you do when your ENTIRE sports department CRUMBLES because you have NO PARTICIPANTS??? What good will that new stadium be then?????? The ONLY thing you have accomplished by doing this is making the residents in Perkins even MORE angry and MORE against the next levy in November. You have already nailed the nail in the coffin for a future school levy to fail and it is nobody's fault but the school administrations!!!!

fifteenthgreen

Perkins could learn from Medina amongst others! Despite Medina school levy defeat, Board cuts in half pay-to-play fees

http://www.cleveland.com/medina/...

“These activities play a very important role in the overall educational experience that students receive in the Medina City Schools,” said Superintendent Randy Stepp.

Stepp said, “The Medina City School District has as one of its core beliefs the need to provide an array of opportunities for all students both inside and outside of the school day. Due to the difficult economic times that we have recently experienced, the District found itself deciding between competing and conflicting values.

"Our need to be cost effective took priority over our need to provide students with reasonable access to extracurricular opportunities. As a result, the District implemented a pay-to-participate fee that helped the district financially, but hurt students by making it difficult and burdensome for many to participate in a number of activities. We strive to be fiscally responsible and feel that we are with this new fee schedule.

"We project that this fee schedule will meet our budgetary needs due to increased student participation in the various activities. Again, we believe that these developmental experiences are invaluable and should be made available in a fair and reasonable manner to all students.”

Kenith

If you actually read the article it states that his salary and benefits make up $109000. So in actuality his salary is no where near 109000 per year. The benefits which I’m sure include medical coverage, vision, and dental probably account for 60%-70% of that number.

fredinperkins

Base pay - approximately $80,000
14% school contribution to retirement (taxpayer) - $11,200
Subtotal - $91,200
That leaves $17,800 for medical, etc.

And all this for an employee who has been heard to say that some classified staff members make way too much money.

Laughing

Do you really believe this nonsense? No star athletes have left. No team will crumble. Matter of fact anyone want to bet Perkins will still win the all-sports award once again this year?

Wald

Exactly. Parents magically found the money for their kids to play, someone donated the fees for the football team, and cut teachers are being brought back in, which is why we should vote no again in November.

I'm Done

A donation paid for the football team only...word has it....hhmmmmmm

Tool Box

Get these costs under control and get rid of Gunner! There is no clear reason for pay to play and it WILL be challenged along with the amounts. I wouldn't want to be the one who has to explain these to the nickel! But it will be happening SOON!

fifteenthgreen

Agree Tool Box. $220 per Choir student x roughly 100 kids or more. This is an accredited class in the classroom. Approx. $22,000 is generated in fees for what? They don't go anywhere to need buses. No equipment needs. They buy their own music and robes through the music boosters. Where is this money going???

Lil DAB

The article says: "If a majority of voters approve the November levy — identical to the levy they rejected in May — all fees paid up to that point will be refunded..."

that says it all right there!

☼When someone with power seeks payment in exchange for certain actions, that person is said to be peddling influence. Regardless of who initiates the deal, either party to an act of bribery can be found guilty of the crime independently of the other.

Your school board is PEDDLING INFLUENCE!

✰DO NOT BE FOUND GUILTY! IT'S A CRIME! PERKINS VOTERS---✰VOTE NO!✰
http://legal-dictionary.thefreed...

Lil DAB

☼extortion ☼Unlawful exaction of money or property through intimidation or undue exercise of authority. It may include threats of physical harm, criminal prosecution, or public exposure. Some forms of threat, especially those made in writing, are occasionally singled out for separate statutory treatment as blackmail. See also bribery.

✰DO NOT ENDORSE THIS CRIME! PERKINS VOTERS---✰VOTE NO!✰

http://www.merriam-webster.com/d...

Julie R.

Like.

red white and blue

I'm allmost a 100 percent sure this levy will pass in nov.no parent is going to not have there kids play sports and they sure can't afford the fees the board knows the voters will break down and pass this levy

VOTENO

No way it passes! Vote NO!

citizen

Didn't Gunner already try the threats of the pay to play?

People know he will just keep pushing back or eliminating the fees.

And how sad, to think all of this for Gunner's new building.

Wald

The best chance Perkins had to pass their levy was in August, with the cuts and pay-to-play threats staring everyone in the face. Now we're seeing most of the threats were lies and scare tactics. There's no way this levy passes for a while without some major changes/concessions by the BOE.

red white and blue

Voteno the only way and I mean the only way is to have parents not let there kids play refuse to pay the fee there's no way the school will let that stadium sit but I real don't think people will band together

citizen

Is anyone able to state how the district has been "dismantled" as Gunner told us would happen if the buildings levy failed.

fifteenthgreen

Nothing dismantled yet but extracurricular activity fees for sports and clubs. Still trying to figure out why the required classes of band and choir are assessed fees. As far as I know, the schools are open for business on Monday. Everyone has their classes scheduled. Sports are all scheduled and in progress. Band is back from camp. Schools look clean and shiny. Buses washed and fueled up. A few teachers hired back. Sadly, a few lost. Enrollment is up, though. Kids have new shoes and backpacks. 1-1 laptops fired up. Sounds like they're ready to go and business is as usual, Citizen. Not sure what the levy and fuss was for.

citizen

Yea, I'm not sure either.

Gunner told us all repeatedly he would be forced to "dismantle" the school district if the levy failed.

Students still have their own, personal Apple laptop when school starts Monday... yep, sure sounds as if the school is being dismantled.

fifteenthgreen

Holy cow on the new test scores, Perkins. Gunner was right. The district is being dismantled.

ron123rob

The following comments were presented during the public comment portion of the Perkins Board of Education at their Aug. 7th meeting at 7am and was not included in the board report in the Register:
1. Resolve immediately to change the inside millage back to operating millage effective Jan 1, 2014. This would provide approximately $2.2 million in operating funds per year. This inside millage for the Perkins Schools, approximately 5.2 mills, is the foundation of a district’s operating funds, increases with increases in property values, and was fully intended by the state constitution to be used for general operation of the schools and not permanent improvements(new building construction).
2. This would generate $1.1 million January 1 for operating use January-June and $2.2 million per school year each year thereafter.
3. Resolve immediately to rehire most of the teaching and classified staff recently reduced and to reset the exorbitant activity fees to the 2012-13 levels.
4. Reassess the district’s financial status regarding operating funds with the return of the 5.2 mils of inside operating funds in 2014 and determine what additional operating millage is needed to stabilize the general fund budget. An additional 2 mills or so to be voted upon in May 2014 may be needed. If passed, it would be collected beginning in 2015. This along with the return of the 5.2 mills would approximate the 6.7 mills being requested to stabilize the general fund at the previous two elections.
5. Cancel the November levy. The community has spoken three times.
6. Next spring, look at building needs with a “comprehensive district wide building assessment committee” to come up with a new plan, and go forward from there with a building/facilities update plan.
7. The board did not appear receptive to the comments and after dialogue, the board responded that it would still be possible to reverse the inside millage in November if they should so choose. They could cancel the November ballot issue if they wished, but they could not put up a different(smaller) millage in November as no new dollar amount could be certified by the Erie County Auditor in time. This was in reference to an idea for smaller millage to supplement the 5.2 inside mills should they decide to reverse it back to operating funds.

fifteenthgreen

This school district in Michigan actually charges $300 for our "free" laptop program!

http://gawker.com/why-does-it-co...

fifteenthgreen
fifteenthgreen

Parent in North Carolina

"There's a school in NC that they're trumpeting as a success story with 1-1 computing. It laid off a bunch of teachers, saying they can handle larger class sizes, because of the laptops. So you see where this is going. This is another mechanism for transferring education dollars away from teachers and to private companies without good evidence that it will improve education or that it will improve it enough to be worth the exorbitant cost. Or force every parent to buy a Chromebook. Actually in our school system they were going to rent the devices for over $200 a year so I hope that $300 was a one-time cost to the parent."

fifteenthgreen

Other Ohio schools pay to play policies. Huber Heights lowers fees.

http://www.springfieldnewssun.co...

fifteenthgreen

Springfield, OH schools suspend pay to play for three years.

http://article.wn.com/view/2013/...

gramafun

it sounds as if most of you are resigned to paying these fees, but what about the families who cannot pay these? It is going to be hard for them to tell their kids they cannot play because they cant afford this. Truthfully this cant be easy. What most parents should be concerned about is the low ratings your students got on the testing rating just above SHS. Stadiums and new schools and pay for sports isn't going to help that. I am sure the Perkins parents are fair more worried about that then they are these petty problems

perk up

Gunner and BOE you ask the voters to help the students, then you turn around and punish them, if voters don't say yes, by using large fees to the athletes. Do you really care about the students?

Mr. D

ptbarnum. . . You are a bit off with your timeline for Title IX. It was in its infancy in 1972, around 41 years ago. Title IX has been around quite a while!

MsQuarderbitty

Get your Boosters Club members out there asking for donations to defray the cost of pay to play! Isn't that what they are there for? I'm not sure if Perkins has a boosters club, but if they do, this is what their job should be!

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