Perkins Schools to try for levy third time this year

Board members place identical levy on November ballot, appoint Chris Gasteier as Meadowlawn Intermediate School principal
Alissa Widman Neese
Aug 7, 2013

 

Perkins Schools is going back on the ballot.

At a meeting this morning, school board members approved placing a 10-year, 6.73-mill emergency operating levy on the November ballot. The deadline to place the issue on the ballot is this afternoon.

The proposed levy is identical to the levy that failed Tuesday, with 54 percent voting against it.

Also at the meeting, board members agreed to appoint Perkins Schools communications director Chris Gasteier as principal of Meadowlawn Intermediate School for the upcoming school year.

Dean Stanfield, the school's former principal, was appointed Perkins High School assistant principal to fill a vacancy after Nick Neiderhouse, former Perkins High School assistant principal, resigned this summer for a job at Maumee Schools.

Pick up a copy of tomorrow's Register to hear reactions about the levy's failure from community members who attended Wednesday's meeting.

Note: This post has been modified to reflect it will be an emergency levy. 

Comments

queenjhb

beesknees, clever :)

Bherrle

-1.

The correct answer is:

"Are very unfairly maligned and judged, for virtually donating their time to help run the school district, with nothing personal to gain in it for them expect that most of them have children in the district. They were also willing to impose higher taxes on themselves than that of the average home owner."

29% of registered voters is hardly a mandate, in my opinion. The board is perfectly within it's right to continue to put the issue back on the ballot. The funding issues are not going away, and neither are the facility issues. All in my opinion.

Pecwilliamsen

Vote, thats the way the system is set up. This is directed to those registered voters in Perkins who "chose" NOT to vote yesterday. Only a 45.8% turn out at the polls, in this day and age with absentee, early voting, less than 50% of the registered voters, voted? Those against accounted for 24.58% of the entire registered voters in the Township, those for, 21.4%. Certainly not a mandate either way. This election only had an additional 675 voters vote over the May election. So remove the recent HS seniors, the college students and the OVH veterans (5 voted in May, 30 voted on Tuesday, 10.26% of those registered in PER#5) means that less than 400 addition registers voted in this important election. The apathy that exists in the voting process in the country make no sense. While others in the world are fighting for the right to vote, here the masses do not take it serious, keep it up people. The challenge to ALL on BOTH sides would be to get people to the polls in November.

Stop It

Put your hand on the very orange glowing thing on the top of the electric stove for the third time. Maybe this time you will be able to erase your fingerprints forever?

donutshopguy

I agree. But, remember the old saying; You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

Bherrle

DSG,

That's an opinion, and the same thing could be said from the other side of the coin. Time will tell.

Bherrle

I agree Pecwilliamsen.

Transplant1

Well put.

Cross

This has to be an ethics violation submitting the same failed levy over and over. I'll be searching the legal code and also writing a letter of complaint to The Ohio Ethics Committee for elections.

My thoughts

What did you find out legal eagle? They can put a levy on the ballot every single time--and they will.

Bherrle

It is not an ethics violation.

Centauri

To the 2,142 pro-levy voters:

You may want to think about some things. Think about how you are perceived by undecided and the "no" voters. You all appear to lack empathy. Do you know what that word means? It means having the ability to understand and share the feelings of another person or persons.

Try this for a better explanation:
http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/...
"The term “empathy” is used to describe a wide range of experiences. Emotion researchers generally define empathy as the ability to sense other people’s emotions, coupled with the ability to imagine what someone else might be thinking or feeling."

For the past few days prior to the election, I and others were posting comments and asking a lot of questions. Without naming anybody, I will try to explain my own feelings while I commented and asked questions here on this newspaper comment section.

Here is a question to all of you. How do you perceive somebody who refuses to answer questions related to the schools and the tax levies?
How do you perceive somebody who tells you to look up the answers yourself? How do you perceive somebody who tells you how you should vote and how you should spend your money?

I asked somebody about the name of the Ohio county where their friend worked. I received no answer. I wasn't asking any personal information, I only wanted to research the other Ohio county auditor's online site and maybe even email or call that county auditor to see if what the SR commenter said had any truth to it. Another SR commenter stated that I should not have that information.

If you want to pass a levy, you have to be very open and honest with the voters. You don't tell them that the questions asked "were already answered" or to look up the answers on the schools internet sites. What would be so hard to post a link or to copy and paste the answer to the questions? The Perkins Levy online sites was taken down. http://perkinslevy.com/

QUESTION: Why was the information deleted from that site? Misleading information perhaps? If you put all that work into it, then why delete it? It could have come in useful for the next levy election.

QUESTION: Why didn't the pro-levy voters participate and answer the questions that I and others asked?

Empathy is a good word to know the meaning of.

My perception of somebody who refuses to answer questions, side steps or tap dances around the question is lacking in empathy, honesty and integrity.

Somebody mentioned being "furious" with the "no" voters. That person should look in the mirror. He will see the person who was responsible for many of the undecided voters decide to cast a no vote.

All of you pro-levy voters need to look in the mirror and ask yourself if your lack of participation, rude comments or not entirely true comments caused many of the undecided voters to cast a no vote.

If you are going to act arrogant and be rude to people, they will think of you in a very negative way.

Bherrle

Centauri,

You make some very good points. However, with all due respect, don't those points apply to both sides of the issue?

If just because someone Voted Yes, they lack empathy, then why doesn't that apply to those who Voted No? I understand what the word empathy means, and while I won't deny the debate was heated on both sides at times, including from me, I would argue that the Vote No side made the debate much more personally attacking than the Yes side did. That is not to say that we, or I, was perfect.

Why is it Ok for the same questions to be asked over and over again, the same baseless accusations made over and over again, with no proof? The burden of proof in this country lies with the accuser, not the accused. I understand that this is the "Court of Public Opinion", not a "Court of Law", but wouldn't the community as a whole be better served to follow the Rules of Law in any debate, rather than making accusations and creating the impression of impropriety simply by making a comment or asking a question?

It was I who made the comment about being furious. And earlier today I corrected it. I am furious with myself. I'm still asking myself, what else should I have done, could I have done, could we have done. But again, looking in the mirror goes both ways. This was a 340 vote defeat. Rude comments from the Vote No's mobilized the supporters. I would argue that there was arrogance on both sides.

You seem to be a fair individual, and I'll be interested in your comments.

doc5798a

School board taking lessons from the GOP with their votes on Obamacare!

VOTENO

I wonder if the parents of kids in sports will still support Chett & Matt's and Ghostly Manner as much as they have in the past. Those fees Gunner and the Board imposed might have a negative impact on those pro levy businesses.

Bherrle

I will support them more, at the expense of supporting those who didn't pick a side less.

Cross

That's just dumb, VOTENO. Having an opinion is fine. I respect people who want this levy to pass and I have kids in Perkins. On the other hand, I dislike the shady manner of shifting millage around, and I especially dislike the brute force levy approach the board has taken. It may be legal, but it's pretty rude to just submit the same failed levy over and over.

VOTENO

I disagree. The yes voters used this analogy against the no voters. They told us we should cut back on the pizzas and one less night out a month. They also said we should smoke less, buy one less six pack and stop drinking Starbucks so we can afford the higher taxes. I am wondering if a failed levy will have a negative impact on those businesses. It's a fair question.

Bherrle

I will support them more, at the expense of supporting those who didn't pick a side less.

JACKEL

I got a good idea,let's make the kids suffer because we don't like someone !Grow up for God's sake ,you put up with that Bozo Pres.and he is costing you your freedom.Now he is reading a book written by one of his Muslim Brothers,Post America !Now that should scare you more than a lousy couple bucks a year !

Rosa

Get over the presidential election, this has nothing to do with this ridiculous levy. Focus on here and now...

Webster

Why not ask employees of the board of elections about the veterans in the Alzheimer unit at OVH, who were taken to the polls, most were not able to vote when asked their name they could not respond, officials from the board of elections were called to stop this, how can anyone treat veterans in this disrespectful manner and what was their agenda?

VOTENO

Is this true?

Sandusky Register, can you confirm this, and if so, please run a story on this?

I find it hard to believe they would stoop this low. Please let this be untrue.

nonicork

I do know that residents were offered assistance to get to the polls if they wanted it but I highly doubt the Alzheimer units were included. Even family members can't get in there without being buzzed in and no one leaves those units without being signed out and it is way too much of a liability to let that happen for voting. OVH does have rules for the benefit of the Veterans!

Bherrle

I've seen a number of comments regarding OVH Voting. I've seen no one offer proof that anything wrong was done. A statement from a Board of Elections official is not proof. The Board of Elections was obviously not impartial from start to finish regarding this election, which I will get into in another post.

Below are the instructions that the Levy Campaign received from OVH, and that there sent out and shared with all volunteers. They are very straight forward and explicit.

"OVH will have its own polling place open from 7A to 7P. Being that as it is, no volunteers can wear anything (clothing, pins, badges) or have any materials (signs, brochures, etc.) supporting any party or position (I.E. Vote Yes Perkins Levy).

No volunteer can discuss anything regarding the election or demonstrate any preference for any particular candidate or position.

There are 13 units in OVH. Volunteers will travel to each of the units and ask the nurses as to which residents have chosen to vote and only assist those residents the nurse indicates.

To do anything more or less could be considered violation of the voting laws in Ohio and punishable as a crime (they are serious about this).

citizen

Wow, if that is true, that is unbelievable.

Alissa- can you get on this? That would be a much more relevant and breaking story than individuals being told they couldn't wear Perkins logo gear to vote.

VOTENO

I truly hope this is not true.

citizen

Alissa, can you get a statement from Gunner or the Board?

Yellow Snow

All schools do this, not just this time. If you were in a nursing home would you enjoy an opportunity for a bit of time out and a ride? They'll be registering non-tax-paying kids who will be 18 by November elections. Schools are very organized in getting new voters. Vanilla or chocolate?

lifetimeresident

I wouldnt be celebrating just yet all of the No voters. Whats going on with a re count at one of the districts.

fifteenthgreen

From what I'm being told, the loss was even greater than first reported.

VOTENO

My best guess is the loss would be greater. Look at the spread in the absentee ballots.

True Blue

Sandusky Register, Contact the Board of Elections to get the rules and regulations about wearing shirts, buttons, or pins to your precinct while voting. I seen a poll worker approach a lady who had worn a pro levy shirt to her voting precinct. She was asked to turn the shirt inside out. She was very xissed. Maybe an explantation from the Board of Elections will inform these pro voters what's illegal and this won't happen again. The poll worker was only doing her job.

Rosa

SHAMEFUL, SHAMEFUL EVENTS BY PERKINS CRAZY "WE WILL GET THE LEVY PASSED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER" ALSO, SHAMEFUL THAT THEY WILL PLACE IT ON THE BALLOT ONCE MORE IN NOVEMBER....

colverdi

I purposely refrained from entering the verbal sparring surrounding this levy. I have been a Perkins supporter most of my adult life. I still have a fondness for the Pirates. It grieves me to see such a onetime great school community dragged through mud, public slander, humiliation, name-calling, and just downright meanness by both supporters and opposition. The polarization of the Perkins community will eventually lead to the downfall of the school district. On one hand, I hear interesting phrases quoted from the superintendent such as, "ground floor of training students for jobs not yet invented," "forward thinking educational processes," "cutting edge of global community," and "21st century learning." My goodness, sounds quite lofty and messianic. Then, in re-reading and re-reading the supporting posts, I saw the phrase preceding all this verbiage: "In my mind." BINGO (or CLICK, if a Catholic word bothers you). This superintendent really believes he is the anointed one, a Moses, if you will, ready to lead the masses into the promised land. The Perkins BOE believes. They have bent over backwards to accommodate this prophet of educational prowess, allowing him to reside out of district, paying extra travel expenses, following his vision of how the chosen people shall travel to that promised land of milk, honey, not yet invented careers and global community and cutting edge educational expertise.

In the meantime, money was spent on a football field. Inside millage was moved to support the vision of a new, complete, cutting edge facilities, a Taj Mahal of educational nirvana that would be worthy of the adoration of all the people.

But he forgot something. He forgot the people he was hired to serve, the people of Perkins Township and their children. In his quest for supremacy, he alienated those who really do care for their community by threats, layoffs, impossible fees, rudeness, arrogance, and perhaps even fraud. He used people. Good grief, he used KIDS. Now the community is fractured. Now the kids WILL suffer. It did not have to be this way.

One has to learn to lead a horse to water, that he may drink. One does not force a horse's head into the water expecting him to be thankful for the opportunity to relieve his thirst. Show the horse the water. "Explain, explain, and explain" to the horse why this particular water is in his best interest. Do not berate the horse when he balks. Smooth him. Reassure him. A true leader leads, the horse will follow willingly.

Years ago in a land far away, a superintendent insisted a new middle school was needed. It did not matter that the new high school was less than five years old, with the old high school becoming the middle school, as was "tradition." The old high school was immaculate in design. Its facade looked like a castle, complete with two towers with pointed roofs on each end. It was a beautiful building and wonderfully landscaped. But this superintendent wanted a new school. It was voted down. Three times. Suddenly the State Fire Marshall "declared" the middle school (old high school) hazardous and condemned the building. I saw this superintendent present slides at a Kiwanis meeting to show the leaking classroom windows, peeling hallway ceiling paint, paper towels strewn on the floors in a couple of boys' restrooms, and a water fountain that did not work in a hallway. His presentation did not have the effect he wanted. The "special" election for a new middle school (by now the 4th) lost by a margin of 89% against, a total thrashing. That summer the old school was torn down. The community was outraged. That superintendent was fired within six months. The BOE was totally replaced within a year. The community made do with a pieced together school building and temporary trailers for classrooms. Classes were held in shifts. Certain grades went in the mornings, certain grades in the afternoons. It took that community FORTY years to pass a levy for a new middle school. I know. It was MY school. That all happened in 1972. THIS fall, 2013, that new middle school will open its brand new doors, and I will be there in tears welcoming our new students into their new world.

I can only hope and pray the Perkins kids learn that the adults in this situation are NOT looking out for THEM, but for themselves and their own egos. They are watching, listening, and learning. What are you really teaching them. Think. Think. Think again.

Good luck kids. I wish you a future bright with hope and fortune. GO PIRATES!!!

underthebridge

Excellent summary!

The New World Czar

How many of these "recent graduates" that are out of or not in college and registered under their parent's household (recruited by the pro-levy committee) voted? If they don't live in the district, isn't this against voting laws?

My thoughts

Are you implying that recent grads who have established residency elsewhere (living at college does not count) registered in Perkins and voted? If so, report the person(s) as this is a serious offense.

OH-IO

Leave Perkins! Period!

God Of Thunder

Today's feature show is "Pinocchio"

Starring:
Jim Gunner as Geppetto
and
The Perkins Board of Education all as Pinnoccio

Storyline....

Geppetto creates puppets and attaches strings to them to act out his fantasies, and to blow smoke up a communities a** and makes them think what he thinks. They all respond quite willingly and become robots with no CPU...

fifteenthgreen

Can a teacher/coach that has been laid off and is currently drawing unemployment, work or assist any program they were associated with...for free? Was his name/position used as a pawn to get votes?

My thoughts

Who are you talking about-Burrows? Anyone who passes a BCI background check is able to volunteer to help a program. He may even continue to be the track coach if he and the Athletic Department both want to continue the relationship, assuming you inferring about Burrows.

Doug7880

Well voters I guess you were not smart enough to get it right the first 2 times soooo we will let you try again.....LOL

local man

If people chose to enroll their students in another school program due to not being able to pay the pay to play fees I would get an attorney involved with the matter if they were denied eligibility to play sports. The purpose of the sit down rule is to deny recruiting between schools. There is a student who transferred from Perkins to play for Sandusky and did not sit out a season, I watched him on ESPN several times during NCAA baseball. Fees to be in concert Band and Concert choir, to be a cheerleader, 15K in salaries for Boys Basketball, what a joke!

My thoughts

He and his family moved to Sandusky.

beborcott

I contacted the Veterans Home about the issue. They said the claim was untrue.

Still, I would not put this past the Perkins administration to allow. I am highly considering contacting both Fox 8 and WOIO, for what it's worth, to investigate further.

Rosa

The poll workers said it was true....And they stopped it...

beborcott

The Erie County Board of Elections has confirmed there was an issue.

My thoughts

You go girl, or guy. Right those wrongs.

God Of Thunder

The high school gives extra credit to kids, if they are old enough to vote, to go to the polls and vote FOR the Perkins issues. This has gone on for years, and I don't want any backlash because you supporters out there probably know this is true.. Of course it will be denied, so believe what you want.

beborcott

As a graduate of Perkins, I can vouch for this.

citizen

Shameful. Perkins Schools bribing votes.

God Of Thunder

Thank you...some actual honesty in this whole mess.. I vote for you for future board member and I will support you as interim superintendent.

beborcott

Credit was given for all those who showed proof of voting whether it be a yes or no. Although, I believe it was implied that all students would show their "pride" with a yes vote.

fredinperkins

They are also transported to their respective voting precincts via a school bus. I have no problem with this from an educational standpoint provided they are not coerced on how to vote.

fifteenthgreen

Liability and costs associated with this practice?

fredinperkins

Approved class field trip.

fifteenthgreen

My apologies. I misunderstood you. Please disregard!

PTBarnumWouldBeProud

This is patently false.

There was a district in Southern Ohio, which provided a list of candidates of only one party to their voters when they took them to the polls. This is the reason that this legislation was passed in 2011.

http://www.bricker.com/documents...

Prior to this did we take students to the polls via bus (if they chose to go during school)? Yes.

Were they compelled to go during the school day? No they weren't.

Did anyone traveling with those students tell them how to vote? Nope.
How do I know this? Because I was one of those individuals that traveled with them prior to the passing of this legislation in 2011.

Did the students get to look at a copy of what the ballot they would be handed prior to going to the polls? Yes they did, not unlike any other registered voter who can see what the sample ballot looks like.

If you have legitimate reasons for being displeased with the administration, that is absolutely your prerogative, but resorting to lying about this to attempt to sway people who may take your statement at face value, without checking, is undignified.

Wald

Is there an official list of the 14 teachers that were cut anywhere?

fifteenthgreen

I hope they'll bring some back.

WesTaylor
man4451

I think they have TO many levies PERIOD, they should allow only 2 times to vote, and everything should be done on them TWO days, when we vote for President, and the mid term vote. VOTING for a school levy 4 times a year is a little TO much. Isn't there ANY attornys that CARE? to change this!

citizen

I went to their website just now to make a copy of the cuts (dismantling of the district) Gunner will be forced to do if the levy failed.

They have already taken it off their website.

Does anyone have a copy of this? We need to monitor exactly what Gunner's threats were and see how many he does not fulfill so we can call his unfounded threats this November exactly what they are... unfounded threats.

WesTaylor
VOTENO

I was just on Perkins Schools website. I went to the Athletics site and Strohl is still the AD. I tried to find info on the pay to play fees like when it is due and how much exactly. I can't find it anywhere. Anyone have this info?

My thoughts

Why do you care about the pay to play fees? You moved your kids out of the District-correct? Also, Strohl's job was moved from the list of cuts at the Board meeting where the cuts were announced.

citizen

Here is how Perkins can eliminate all the pay to play fees. I call on all of the Perkins Athletic head and assistant coaches to volunteer their time for their love of their sport, their love and passion for their school, and of course, FOR THE KIDS! It'd only be what... one night out per month, a 6 pack of beer, and a couple cups of Starbucks? Come on Perkins coaches- put your money where your mouth is. It's time to step up- FOR THE KIDS and PERKINS PRIDE!

Wald

Why don't the supporters all donate? Where are the donations of StrongSchools, RMyer and Bherrle? Why don't you pony up? Times are tough, but, you know, it's for the kids! Skip a Starbucks or a pizza from Chet and Matt's!

Bherrle

I am ponying up Wald.

citizen

To the School District I hope, and not the next tax increase committee. And to the School District operations fund, not in the form of Pay to Play.

Bherrle

I am contributing to the School District Citizen. Pay to play fees go into the operating fund Citizen, to offset the schools costs. If that doesn't fit your definition of contributing to the school, then so be it, we disagree.

Wald

Hopefully other supporters follow your generous example of giving above and beyond what is required. After all...it's for the kids.

citizen

It's stunning. It is as if the levy never happened. There is NOTHING on their website about this.

In fact, their newsletter reverted back to the one from Fall 2011! And all pay to play fees have reverted back to last year's levels ($35 per student!). Was Gunner lying about all of the cuts that will be coming down. Remember, he said he will have to dismantle the district...

My thoughts

and you seem happy about that.

WesTaylor

Why are you acting like a website is the Bible? Have some common sense! I have a son in football at Perkins, and he was told that the money is due, and that it had to be paid before he tries out for any other sport.

beborcott

humpty dumpty sat on a wall....

Free Man

please we must educate the children or they will be doomed to work at nasa plumbrook.

samiam

A Sandusky student who is open enrolled should be able to participate in extra curricular activities without having to pay the "pay to play" fees. A Sandusky student brings $5,700 to the district. If you subtract the $730 fee, the district still receives more than twice the $2100 that follows a Perkins student who open enrolls in another district. My numbers may not be exact, but they are close.

eriemom

By your logic Perkins students should not have to pay the fees either. They bring over $9,000 to the district. All of these activities (and more) are not state minimum. None of them need to be financed by the district.

sugar

Sitting out a year is not about money it came to be because schools would recruit kids from other schools to play on their sports teams and create a super team. There was one private school that did it frequently, offered a no tuition bribe to get the kids to play for them.

fifteenthgreen
citizen

http://www.perkinsschools.org/pr...

That is a list of the cuts that will become permanent with failure to pass the May and August levies.

So, if the Board did not lie to the taxpayers, these cuts are now permanent.

fifteenthgreen

A second special Board meeting was established for Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 6:00 pm in high school room 805. During this meeting the Board intends on sharing the results of their discussion held on Thursday, May 16th. The Board will also adopt an updated 5-year forecast, announce a proposed Phase III list of reductions, listen to community feedback, and potentially take action on further reductions that evening. This meeting will be an open public meeting where community members are invited and encouraged to attend.

fifteenthgreen

Citizen - Look at the item list provided on the first phase of cuts. The items in red were added after the May failed levy.

VOTENO

Is there any updated information after today's meeting? When are the pay to play fees due? Which classes will my kids not have this year?

My thoughts

Again--I thought you moved your kids to another District?

eriemom

I may be wrong, but here's my guess...
Fury and Meadowlawn will not have art, music, band, pe, chinese, computer. The school day may be shortened by at least an hour.

Briar and PHS look to have larger classes, fewer councilors. Maybe no Chinese,Spanish, health, computer and less music/band,(art?) at Briar?

Wald

If a student who lives in and attends Perkins enrolls at another school, they are only required to sit out half a season in the sport in which they participate, not a full season as Perkins coaches have been telling their athletes today. This was put in place by the OHSAA. This may help some families make an "informed" decision about where to attend.

http://ohsaa.org/eligibility/Tra...

VOTENO

An "informed" and "educated" decision. Sound familiar?

Wald

That's just for high school. Middle school can play right away. We don't want any "misinformation" out there.

Edwin Ison

Any entering 9th grader can transfer and play right away also.

fifteenthgreen

Unbelievable!

fifteenthgreen

Wow, is right!

Wald

Wow.

fifteenthgreen

These kids are smarter and more intelligent than their leaders. There is hope!

VOTENO

ATTENTION SANDUSKY REGISTER: Please get the athletic director on the record IMMEDIATELY about this! I hope this isn't true!

VOTENO

If the Register won't, I know Fox 8 or 19 Action News will!

citizen

Now Alissa, THAT'S a story.

Not children being told to turn inside out their Perkins Pirates shirts at the voting booths.

The Perkins AD forcing student athletes to go to OVH to help elderly residents vote, who some, according to a Perkins student athlete did not know there was a levy and thought they were voting for a new United States President.

That should be red meat for any true journalist.

And on top of that, and the threats, the levy STILL didn't pass. Even with $730 pay to play. When is the Board going to wake up? Gunner needs to go.

Yellow Snow

THIS IS PERKINS LEVY WEBSITE ON OF JULY 25, a cache (previous) shot of the levy website, prior to the vote, maybe you can find the previous info. you're looking for. You'd better print it now, cache only stays for a week or two. You can edit copy/edit paste into Excel (Portrait) and adjust. Best would be to print it though. Cache, your best friend or your worst nightmare.

http://webcache.googleuserconten...

Stop It

If it's on the Internet, it's there forever.

Yellow Snow

No, if it's removed or changed, it's only available as cache for a week or two. Print it if you want it.

citizen

I was looking for the Perkins School District site which listed out exactly the cuts that will be made or made permanent with failure to pass the August tax levy increase.

Gunner has removed that from his site. Obviously, he will not be following through with the threats he made... as we predicted.

Yellow Snow

go to the website I gave you. Near top of page it tells you how to search. Just use "cuts" as your search, they're a bunch, you'll just have to check them for what you're looking for.

Centauri

Yellow Snow,
Thank you for posting the now deleted Perkins Levy link. I will repost the link so that the Perkins voters can print it out for future reference.

Pecwilliamsen

Wald, please review the link you posted, while you are correct in the timeframes, the ByLaw call out ONLY of one of the exceptions is met. If no exception can be met the language is pretty clear; No ruling is required from the Commissioner’s Office, and no paperwork is necessary if a student transfers and cannot meet an exception to the transfer bylaw.

Moving schools, i.e.; open enrollment is not one of the exceptions and the OHSAA language that the coaches have been using would be correct today.

INTER-DISTRICT TRANSFERS

· Bylaw 4-7-2, Exception 1 - Parents' Bona Fide Move into a New Public School District
· Bylaw 4-7-2, Exception 2 - Change of Legal Custody
· Bylaw 4-7-2, Exception 3 - School Closes/Discontinues Program After Grade 9 or Annexation/Consolidation
· Bylaw 4-7-2, Exception 4 - Self-Supporting Student
· Bylaw 4-7-2, Exception 5 - A student transferred to the State School for the Blind or State School for the Deaf shall be eligible upon enrollment.
· Bylaw 4-7-2, Exception 6 - New Construction - Home Not Ready for Habitation

Wald

What you listed are exceptions to the athlete sitting out half the season. If any of those exceptions are met, the athlete doesn't have to sit out at all. The coaches were incorrect.

From OHSAA:
"The basic transfer bylaw is quite simple. If a student transfers (changes) high schools at any time after establishing eligibility as a ninth grader (either by attending a school for five days or playing in a fall sport prior to the beginning of school), the student is INELIGIBLE at the new high school for the first fifty percent (50%) of the maximum allowable regular season contests in those sports in which the student participated during the twelve(12) months immediately preceding this transfer. NOTE: For purposes of this bylaw, a student is considered to have participated in a sport if he/she has entered, if for only one play, a scrimmage or contests at any level of competition/contests (e.g. freshman, junior varsity and varsity). No ruling is required from the Commissioner’s Office, and no paperwork is necessary if a student transfers and cannot meet an exception to the transfer bylaw. Understanding that basic rule is fundamental to dealing with transfer students."

Centauri

ATTENTION PERKINS SCHOOL VOTERS. Please PRINT the now deleted Perkins Levy online site for future reference.

Yellow Snow
Wed, 08/07/2013 - 11:08pm

THIS IS PERKINS LEVY WEBSITE ON OF JULY 25, a cache (previous) shot of the levy website, prior to the vote, maybe you can find the previous info. you're looking for. You'd better print it now, cache only stays for a week or two. You can edit copy/edit paste into Excel (Portrait) and adjust. Best would be to print it though. Cache, your best friend or your worst nightmare.

http://webcache.googleuserconten...

I have posted information about the Perkins Schools compared to other schools in Erie County. The now deleted Perkins Levy website also compared schools within Erie County, Ohio.

Check out all of the information before it is gone forever. I question why the Perkins Levy website was taken down.

Go down to the "Tax Rate Comparison" chart.

Question: Tax Rate Comparison

What do Perkins Township Residents pay (millage rates) compared to other districts in our area and statewide?

Answer:

The spreadsheet below illustrates both the residential/agricultural tax rates and commercial/industrial tax rates for all schools in Erie County. The statewide average for residential/agricultural tax rates to support schools across the state is 35 mils, higher than almost all school districts in Erie County.

Notice the millage rates for the Perkins Schools for Permanent Improvement.

Class I (Residential/Agricultural) 6.916652 mills
Class II (Commercial/Industrial) 6.742074

Check out this comment:
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http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...
RMyer
Mon, 08/05/2013 - 10:11pm
None of the school districts you list here are considered "similar" to Perkins by the state. Comparing Perkins to Shaker Heights or Huron or BerlinMilan is comparing apples to oranges. When comparing operations of school districts, one must look at similar districts due to demographics, student population counts and so forth. The only two districts near us that are considered similar are Port Clinton and Benton-Carroll-Salem. When Perkins operations such as tax load, expenditures per pupil and so on are compared to similar districts, our district is below the averages for similar districts (see middle column of report linked above for Perkins) due to proper fiscal management.

In my opinion, to compare to non-similar districts is not valid for all info.
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QUESTION: Is RMyer the former union representative for the Perkins School employees?

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...
"Bob Myer, union spokesman, said Perkins Education Association members feel vindicated that the arbitrator's decisions are similar to the positions they proposed at the end of last summer."

Unless the Perkins Levy website is restored with all of the information, I would still advise a STRONG NO to the Perkins School levy.
http://perkinslevy.com/

UPDATE--It appears that the Perkins Levy website is back online. I don't have the time to verify if any information was deleted or added. You can compare it here:
http://webcache.googleuserconten...

Bherrle

Yes, RMyer is Bob Myer.

Centauri

Thank you for the information.

sunflower1

Geez... I believe these people pushing this levy never learned that NO means NO. Take a hint and stop putting it on the ballot.
You are wasting time and money.

Stop It

When NO means, YES = Rape.

Wald

I saw the list of candidates for the school board in today's paper. Jason Bennett is one of them, and I think he was in charge of the levy committee, so I'm definitely not voting for him. What are the names of the two incumbents? I will not vote for them either. I think that leaves me with two other choices.

Bherrle

Terry Chapman is in the only incumbent running for re-election. Brian Printy decided yesterday not to run for re-election.

I find it interesting that you consider yourself informed, yet don't know the names of the current school board members when compared to the list of those running. Not being smart, just pointing out fact.

Wald

That's why I asked. I'm constantly educating myself. Besides, you're the one that is obsessed with knowing people's names. As for me, I don't need to know specific names to know that the board as an entity is not to be trusted for their fiscal irresponsibility. The majority of voters in Perkins stand with me.

Pirate Mom

Michael Ahner is a Perkins grad and nephew to the late Chris Smith. Jason Bennett and Rick Uher worked on the recent levy campaign and are parents to children in Perkins. J Franklin is a parent to a senior and graduate of Perkins and placed a Vote No sign in his yard.

My thoughts

Kick save and a beauty. I don't like the school board, whoever those guys or gals (there are none) are.

Wald

I don't need to know their names to know that, as an entity, they have acted in a fiscally irresponsible manner.

Centauri

Who cares what the names of the BOE are. It is the actions of the BOE that matters. I wonder how many of the pro-levy people know the names of the Perkins Schools BOE or those running.

fifteenthgreen

Printy leaving the board speaks volumes!

Bherrle

Yes, it does, I will elaborate later.

fifteenthgreen

Hopefully, as a public figure he will elaborate. Good family.

Centauri

CORRECTION: A former Perkins Schools BOE member DID NOT write a letter to the editor criticizing the laptop computer program about its cost and the way school funds were used?

My apologies. I was given incorrect information.

My thoughts

Who was that? I agree it's return on investment is lacking.

Centauri

Here is the letter(s). Correct me if I am wrong about the letter author being a former Perkins Schools BOE member.

CORRECTION. A former Perkins School BOE member DID NOT write the letters to the editor.

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/... May 24, 2010
"Perkins Schools recently began to implement its adoption of the one-on one laptop program. Some Perkins taxpayers mistakenly believe the required laptops are a freebie funded by a federal grant."

"To answer this question, I encourage all Perkins voters to take a good hard look at recent board decisions regarding expenditures on technology in light of the forecast of a nearly $6 million cash deficit by 2013 which is indicated in the Perkins five-year forecast adopted by the board this past May."

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/... May 24, 2010
"The Board of Perkins Local Schools needs to live within its means."

"Spending over $1 million of taxpayer money on laptops for staff and all students from the 6th grade to 12th grade is ludicrous given the treasurer's forecast that the district will be operating substantially in the red in the near future."

TellTheTruth

Centauri: Your assumption is not correct.

Centauri

Thank you. I have made the correction and apologized for the error.

Wald

"We've demonstrated a strong track record of being very disciplined with the use of our cash. We don't let it burn a hole in our pocket, we don't allow it to motivate us to do stupid acquisitions." -- Steve Jobs, 2010

Centauri

Has the Sandusky Register posted the contract of the Perkins Schools superintendent? It is a public record. I have seen a few comments stating that Mr. Gunner is given extra money for travel expenses from Oregon, Ohio. Is this a true fact?

My thoughts

I suspect he is paid for District travel at the IRS approved mileage rate but not for commuting. If he is paid for his commute that should be added to any reporting of his salary which i believe is $127K if I remember the District mailing that came to my house. Remember, an employer can pay any perks it sees fit to an employee. However, a public entity is obviously opening itself up to alot of scrutiny if they were paying him mileage for his commute and paying for his meals (unless out of town on District business). I kept waiting to see what other perks we were going to be told he gets from some on these boards.

EZOB

Centauri,
I guess it's a sad fact.
Bherrle,
Many don't really know their names becuase they don't see or negotiate with them on a regular basis. That said, many just choose to give a name that seems to fit everyone on the board including yourself. It might seem negative so I'll just let you imagine what it is, you do have an excellent imagination.

Centauri

"I guess it's a sad fact."

Do you have a dollar figure? What are the specifics? By that I mean money for gasoline, miles traveled, travel time and so forth.

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...
"Gunner said he will start the relocation process with plans to move his wife, Carol, and children, Matthew and Emily, into the district."

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...
"Perkins Local Schools' new superintendent Jim Gunner could part ways with the district only months after accepting his contract."

Hey Sandusky Register, how about posting Mr. Gunner's contract to inform the Perkins School voters.

Centauri

I am transferring this comment here because I feel that the previous story will soon be taken down from the "Top Comments"
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EZOB
Thu, 08/08/2013 - 1:17am

believeit,
You remeber all the fine points but you could have elaborated a little further. How about the Gym and swimming pool that were going to be open 24 hours for all of Erie County. It was like we were footing the bill to replace the YMCA. Was it a new High School? Workout Center? Maybe a Year round Exercize Center. I was at the Meeting and have to admit that I was really confused. Just what in the heck is going through these people's minds? Voters will never approve this and Some of us were ridiculed in a round about way. I sat at a round table and they made sure to place a school supporter at each table. Every time we tried discussing money, extravagance, or the real need of a new school these "ADVISORS" cut in a knew it all. I finally said that I wish she would just keep quiet as you weren't really invited to sit with us. Oh yes, I remember.
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My comment: I am fully aware of these "plant" tactics at a public meeting. These planted people are there in order to mislead or function secretly. These "plants" try to influence the behavior of people seated nearby and also act to observe or spy on the people. The plants also hog up a question and answer session to use up allotted time at a meeting. Sometimes they will use intimidation tactics.

Nemesis

The word you're looking for is 'schill.'

Centauri

Thank you. Shill is a better word. I believe that "schill" is the Scottish spelling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill
"A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization."

Cross

Bherrle, simple question, but do you support moving the 5.2M inside millage back to operations from improvements? Wouldn't that be the best thing for our children?

Bherrle

No, I do not. While that would help to solve the short term operations fund problem, it would completely abandon the facility issues. There would be nothing set aside to deal with facilities, renovation or any form of building new. I do not believe that it is in the best long term interest of our children, teachers, and staff to move forward with no significant means or plan to address the buildings.

I believe what was in the best interest of our students and entire community was to have passed the Nov 2010 levy. The second best thing would have been to pass the May 2013 new levy. The third best thing would have been to pass this August levy. We are down to number 4 now.

The programs made available to our children are equally as important as the long term safety and adequacy of the buildings they are being taught in. If you feel that the facilities are fine into the foreseeable future, then we disagree with each other.

If you feel that educating our children the same way we were 20, 30, 40 years ago is what you want Perkins Local Schools to be, then we disagree with each other.

Two days after this vote, I am still very saddened by its defeat. I hope that I am wrong, but I feel that our district is headed for very bad times, and that it will not be the district we felt it would be, long term, when we picked Perkins.

We agree with the administration. We do not agree with the 28-29% of registered voters who voted no.

Tuesday night, I was very upset, and I said something that I really did not mean. I am not furious with the 2,482 who voted no. I am upset that I was not more effective in changing more minds, and in getting more voters out to the polls. Call me any name you want to, I believe in dr gunner and this board. I am saddened that Dr. Printy will not run again, but I understand his decision.

PyrkinsPyrate

calling you the names you deserve to be called is no fun because a few minutes after posting you get a "Moderators have removed" message anyways.

Bherrle

Pyrate,

What is it that you have so personally against me, and why do you feel attacking me furthers your cause? I suspect me know each other.

Would any No Voter care to back up Centaur's statement earlier about rude comments?

fifteenthgreen

Hey. Please give me your opinion on the OVH veterans situation. I'm sure it's legal, as Centauri has proven but I'm curious as to how you personally feel about it. Thanks.

Bherrle

I've seen a number of comments regarding OVH Voting. I've seen no one offer proof that anything wrong was done. A statement from a Board of Elections official is not proof. The Board of Elections was obviously not impartial from start to finish regarding this election, which I will get into in another post.

Below are the instructions that the Levy Campaign received from OVH, and that there sent out and shared with all volunteers. They are very straight forward and explicit.

"OVH will have its own polling place open from 7A to 7P. Being that as it is, no volunteers can wear anything (clothing, pins, badges) or have any materials (signs, brochures, etc.) supporting any party or position (I.E. Vote Yes Perkins Levy).

No volunteer can discuss anything regarding the election or demonstrate any preference for any particular candidate or position.

There are 13 units in OVH. Volunteers will travel to each of the units and ask the nurses as to which residents have chosen to vote and only assist those residents the nurse indicates.

To do anything more or less could be considered violation of the voting laws in Ohio and punishable as a crime (they are serious about this).

VOTENO

You're pathetic.

fifteenthgreen

I'm speaking of ethics and morals. Should the student athletes really be involved in this process? They didn't feel right about it, specifically the girls basketball team. Also, do we take the kids out there during other non Perkins related elections?

fifteenthgreen

This campaign needs the original Bherrle back, for both sides sake!

citizen

Bherrle- It is difficult to change minds when the facts are against you. Revenue has doubled for Perkins in the last 14 years, and increased 13% in the last 5 years alone. It is a cost management issue.

I agree education has changed from 40 years ago. Because the educational models have changed DOES NOT mean, taxpayers need to fund new buildings and facilities every 40 years.

It is also difficult to change the minds of people when Jim Gunner and Board chose new buildings over educating the district's children. If Gunner had not moved millions away from operations, there would not have been 14 teachers laid off and students paying $730 per activity. It is Gunny's backward priorities that continue to cause the decline of the District.

Centauri

"If you feel that educating our children the same way we were 20, 30, 40 years ago is what you want Perkins Local Schools to be, then we disagree with each other."

Interesting comment. A hundred years ago, we went from one room school houses to larger school buildings. I can see having elementary school buildings for younger children. But bricks and mortar school buildings are becoming obsolete. Twenty years ago, I had no concept of the internet or computers. With computers and online learning, bricks and mortar school buildings are becoming obsolete.

I welcome your opinion, bherrle.

Nemesis

It's also noteworthy that the general knowledge level of the average high school graduate has declined significantly in the last 40 years, and even more so in the last 100. At the same time, the incidence of every social pathology among youth has increased. Apparently, 40 years ago, they were doing SOMETHING right. Among other things, they weren't sacrificing honest evaluation on the altar of self esteem.

Nemesis

"While that would help to solve the short term operations fund problem, it would completely abandon the facility issues. There would be nothing set aside to deal with facilities"

That's ridiculous. How did the schools deal with their facilities until the millage was switched? Magic? Fixed term facilities levies are routinely renewed throughout the state by comfortable margins with little to no campaigning. This millage switch was done in clear defiance of the voters' denial of bond issues intended to replace perfectly serviceable buildings in service of Gunner & Co.'s edifice complex. The cream of each generation receive the most coveted of education at elite universities in buildings that were older than Perkins HS when the Constitution was written. SMCC does a great job in a building at least 100 years old. The community has overwhelmingly and REPEATEDLY said no to new buildings. What part of the board's being subordinate to the voters do you fail to grasp?

Cross

The voters have repeatedly said we do not want new buildings at this time. The board has moved it's operational funds from inside moneys and tried to sell this levy as for operational expenses which is simply not true.

I respect you want a new facility. I regret the fact that the board and you do not respect voters and your answer is to distort the truth and keep pummeling voters with inaccuracies. The schools do need maintenance. We do not need a brand new campus, and we should not have leadership who try to get what they want instead of representing the people in this township. The kids need teachers and better instruction. They do not need all this money into facilities.

This summer I was ambivalent about the levy. I felt it was one final try to sell this. Now, I have spoken with my neighbors and we will all be actively working to oppose this as well as looking for candidates who will support moving the inside millage back to operational expenses where it belongs.

I'm glad Dr. Printy is leaving the board. I will work hard to support which candidate actually respects the constituents of this county and isn't merely a yes man for those whose goals do not support us who pay for this township.

Edwin Ison

I must refrain from further comment.
It's not worth it.

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