Unofficial results: Perkins levy fails

About 54 percent of township voters opposed tax levy
Sandusky Register Staff
Aug 6, 2013

 

Unofficial results from the Erie County Board of Elections shows the Perkins School District levy lost by about 340 votes. 

The final tally of the 4,624 votes cast, according to the elections office:

• Against the levy: 2,482, or about 54 percent of the total.  

• For the levy: 2,142, or about 46 percent of the total.  

Be sure to pick up Wednesday's Register for reactions and comments from voters and school officials. 

 

Comments

starryeyes83

Education doesn't mean squat when a community doesn't have the long-term good paying jobs.

It's a tourist destination, isn't it?

EZOB

obx8160,
You really do believe that you have the God given right to tell people how to live their lives. It's little wonder that people get elected who refuse to listen to us.
I have some advice: Chris Redfern was just elected back into office by most of (YOU YES) voters. He always speaks about supporting education. Murray just got out and maybe he can be an "Ear" to Redfern. Get a Bill in the House and Channel your efforts to get the "Change" you want. This is where Gunner's efforts should be at this time.

Wald

I'm so proud of the people who had the courage to see through the misinformation and threats to vote NO! Enough is enough!

partyboy

Realtor...right?

Wald

Wrong.

bao

and here come the insults to all the no voters. seriously, how many times will it take to listen to the will of the people? forget about the new buildings and focus on educating the kids. period. the boe knows what needs to be done.

EZOB

beestee,
We might be less educated but we have FAR,FAR, more common sense when it comes to spending and handling money. This school can't be trusted to handle more money and our return onour investments have been very poor, to say the least. I still have a decent memory and to question my judgment only makes me more determined to vote NO in November.

Truth or Fiction

To all those who voted NO. Yes, the school doors will be open this fall but not without consequence. The BOE now has the responsibility to balance the budget. Without additional revenue, the only option is cost reduction. That means cuts. Cuts in support services, cuts in educational offering, cuts in extracurricular activities.

The voters have spoken and I respect those with opposing views. I hope I am wrong and the school we have come to know and cherish continues to thrive.

chongo

Shouldn't it be their job to balance a budget in the first place?? If done correctly, we wouldn't be in the druthers they are in today. We have to balance ours and spend correctly at home, and cut where needs cut. Hence, we have decided to cut via the levy a bit, no new spending. the extras will be fine, yes play to participate, but parents who choose to will do so. I for one would choose pay to play/participate instead of voting yes....

fifteenthgreen

Should have thought of that before misappropriating funds. You have to look ahead, plan accordingly and prepare for a crisis like this. It certainly hasn't been a secret what the state is doing. Instead....they spend!

Bherrle

It is a lie to say they misappropriated funds.

fifteenthgreen

mis•ap•pro•pri•ate (ˌmɪs əˈproʊ priˌeɪt)

v.t. -at•ed, -at•ing.
1. to put to a wrong use.

Good 2 B Me

HA!! Nice one 15!

Bherrle

I understand the words meaning 15th.

Edwin Ison

I just don't think you understand the context in which he used the word.

WeThePeople1965

How about administrative/Super salary cuts? They can cut students' programs, what they're supposedly trying to save, but yet the same people who are desperately trying to save the district can't take a paycut, for the sake of the kids?

fifteenthgreen

Where's Centauri and citizen?

goodtime1212

Get the trust back from the voters, Replace Gunner, come up with a new plan on how to move ahead with the help of the community, not the idea of one man who will never pay the tax he wants.

donutshopguy

It started with the $100 million dollar "Folly with the Fountain". The public voted "NO".

Then the school board thought they could side step the voting public with a millage switch. The public voted "NO" again.

Now the superintendent and school board threatened to "dismantle the school" and charge students $730 dollars for activities. For the third time the taxpaying public voted "NO" and called their bluff.

Isn't this getting a little silly. The taxpaying public does not trust the school board and the superintendent.

Do we need to tell you again?

partyboy

For one time I totally agree with you!! Only this one time

beborcott

Amen

fifteenthgreen

Plus, the next one is going to cost 12.5% more without the states cut to the taxpayers. Difficult passing that one without a clear cut plan and respected leadership!

middleclassworker

Well said !!

Good 2 B Me

Well said DSG and the others! No is the answer. Time to listen to the voters and make the correct changes at the BOE and Gunner.

We will continue to make our stand!

WesTaylor

They aren't threats. They are happening.

fifteenthgreen

They are happening? So the the district really is going to be dismantled? Gunner's comment of why should he move here if the levy fails is true then?

WesTaylor

I don't see any relevance to students losing teachers with a person living in a different town. Something tells me you are giddy about the demise of a school district.......I hope I am wrong.

fifteenthgreen

You are very wrong, Wes. Gunner made the comment that the district will be dismantled if this levy fails and stated he wouldn't want to live here if it does. Seriously? I see your point but in order for this district to come together, changes need to be made and it starts with the top.

WesTaylor

Ok. I understand his comment then. He is not a very good communicator. I am sure he meant that if he were to choose a district around here to move to, he would not live in Perkins....based on the recent education issues.

Good 2 B Me

Do not assume what Gunner meant. You are not him.

He will not live in Perkins because he chose not to.

The BOE allowed it and we suffer for it. If you do not live here, it is not as personal.

NOTME

So it's ok for you to speak for him? I have a great respect for Dr. Gunner! I find it interesting that all of the "no" voters are fine bashing this man when it was not him who voted on these decisions but the board. Please correct me if wrong (as I know you will) but the points most complained about where approved by unanimous decisions by the board.

fifteenthgreen

The SR filmed it and posted it on here. Why would a leader make that comment? Using the word "dismantle". Stating he would not move here should the levy fail. Stand tall, man. Fight. Speak up as the leader of this district. Make the voters believe and buy into your message. What is the message? What is the direction? Who's running the show here? Make yourself be heard and believable! To everyone, not just those that will agree with you. You...not anyone else. You, Mr. Leader!

believeit

Not bringing in the "Folly" is where this community missed its chance and will forever regret. For less money than this failed levy, there would have been an efficient, consolidated campus, property to sell for more funds, lower construction costs, construction jobs when people were looking for them - all part of that forward thinking plan. Now it will be an uphill battle to repair (band-aid) / replace facilities at a much higher cost, as well as cover other operating expenses. But unfortunately that is water under the bridge. I only hope people actually do want to move forward, although it sounds like there will be some other excuse down the road.

starryeyes83

looks as though people in your area are finally opening their eyes a bit.

So much for the old "but it's for the children" BS card,

This happens in every district.

bobshumway92

How much have all these special election votes cost us?

beborcott

Not much more than Gunner's food budget I'm sure.

goodtime1212

They pay him that much in fuel just to drive to work and back to Oregon.

beborcott

I think he stores it all in that triple chin of his to burn off. Pressing the gas pedal burns a lot of calories I hear.

Bherrle

No they do not Goodtime!!! You are either outright lying, or you are just totally uninformed on that subject.

Prove your statement, show me the public document that proves this. Nothing short of a public document will be accepted.

Did I get that right Centauri?

fifteenthgreen

No, but the voters did!

donutshopguy

bob,

It cost us the taxpayers about $13,000 dollars to again say "NO".

bobshumway92

Add them all up and they would only be cutting 13 teachers!

EZOB

I just informed My wife that the Levy failed. I posted earlier that She was amazed that all the kids were at the Polls. She told me that if it wasn't for me she would have voted YES. Now that She witnessed the action at the Poll She is Voting NO in November. You supporters are harming the children by giving poor guidance. Although they support the schools openly, many know where their "Bread and Butter" comes from.

goodtime1212

I voted no early before work, are you saying they had the school kids out at the polls?

Bherrle

What in God's name are you talking about? Parents aren't allowed to take their kids to the polls when they vote? That influences a vote?

KnuckleDragger

Absolutely untrue.

Bherrle

Let me re-phrase. I know that parents are allowed to take their kids to the polls. What I am questioning is, someone is voting no because parents take their kids to the polls with them? That is the basis for a No Vote?

Not the facts, not the issues. Children at the polls is why someone will Vote NO??

I don't get it.

fifteenthgreen

Save jobs!

ProudPerkinsGrad

I am one of those pesky college kids "recruited" by former teachers (some of who have had the biggest of impacts on my life) to vote for a school district that really holds a strong place in my heart. I'm saddened tonight, not only by the vote on the levy, but also thinking about this community's future. It's crazy to think some citizens actually believe that Gunner or any member of the school district has malicious intent against tax payers. Using this as a stance is just a crutch for the real reason of not supporting our schools. I see a small community worried about from where paychecks will be coming, but I also see a full parking lot most evenings at restaurants and bars (not to mention new restaurants coming in). I see the newest iPhone in hand and the best Nike shoes Kobe bryant can put his name on. And, as a whole, I see a community that says all of these things are more important than the education of our students. This is disheartening!
So in ten years, after the school has been taken over, teachers have left or retired, BOEs re elected or changed, and only more levies still on the ballot, what's left of the district? At this point in life, most of my classmates and I will be searching for places to settle down, raise a family, and join a community. Which do you think we'll select? I know I won't be part of one that won't support a school system for my children.
I ask that this is given thought before the next vote is decided.

Good 2 B Me

Kind of like a MacPro Book and a Football stadium? We see where the School's interests are.

Bherrle

Yeah, I see your point. The school is interested in providing a quality 21st century education. And it was interested in repairing a poorly run down stadium and track, to allow our track team to run at home again, and to eliminate safety issues.

Their priorities are so messed up.

Did you catch the sarcasm in my above statement?

fifteenthgreen

The athletic boosters, band boosters and community could have raised the entire amount in time. Other neighboring stadiums were options, as well. How about a loan until the whole amount was raised? We took one out for a building design before the project was approved and funded. The boosters did a fantastic job raising the 1.7 million. Unfortunately, they didn't pay for the whole project knowing the districts dire situation.

Wald

It wasn't interested in "repairing" anything. It was interested in a multi-million dollar palace that it couldn't afford.

That was a great idea for a district on the verge of being "dismantled".

Did you catch the sarcasm in my above statement?

themomx6

^^^^^I'm saddened that one of Perkins graduates turned out to be so gullible.

fifteenthgreen

Wow!

Bherrle

You continue to take things out context 15th, and go over the top. The statement about "dismantling" was not a literal statement. it meant that the districts programs would become a shell of their former selves.

fifteenthgreen

Maybe, just maybe going back to being a shell of our former selves is a good thing! Currently though, it is a necessity until this is all worked out!

Edwin Ison

Mind reader? Bherlle^

Bherrle

No - I get my information right from the source. I've met with Dr. Gunner numerous times. Have you?

Edwin Ison

Bureaucrats love to spout off then say they didn't mean it that way.

He made the comparison to the Perkins police levy... are you saying that they too were exaggerating the demise of the police force?

Lots of half truths and exaggerations going on.

PyrkinsPyrate

Ok so now when they get caught lying their words are not to be taken as being "Literal", you know very well Gunner wanted the people to believe that they had to open their pocketbooks or the State would take over Perkins.

Bherrle

No Pyrate, I do not know that or believe that. But I believe that's what you want the public to think.

F.E.A.R.

False Evidence Appearing Real

bobshumway92

Move the inside millage back. Also shouldn't have built the stadium with tax dollars.

lifetimeresident

Dont move here, there are NO JOBS.

fifteenthgreen

Bingo! Industry/jobs mean tax dollars.

Fromthe419

I see all of the packed restaurants and bars as well. I also see Illinois, New York, Michigan and Indiana plates as well. We are a tourist destination, call your state congressman and tell them to enforce the Ohio Constitution that states that funding school by property taxes is illegal. Put in a bed tax and an earned income tax in and let's have those that come to our area help fund our schools. Look at Florida, they have no income tax due to their state being a tourist destination. This will stop the endless levies coming up at every election.

Good 2 B Me

I agree. The tax dollars that Cedar Point and the other Tourist locations here generate would go far in generating some money to help Perkins. There has to be a way.

Fromthe419

It's in the Ohio constitution, why not use it, a lot of people like to come here for vacation...why not take advantage of it like Florida does? This idea of levies is mental masturbation...why divide our communities when the answer is right before our eyes?

gene44870

Well the voters have spoke once again , when is the Perkins School Board going to figure it out that the township is sick of tax tax taxes ?
They need to lean to live with the Kool-Aid money they get and stop giving the raises that as I recall the school board voted to give .
Its not only a time for change , but its also time tolearn how to budget better then they have been in the past .
The way things are going not only in the twonship but also in country , School boards are having to rethink what will work to keep the schools open , an Perkins as well as Sandusky is no different
You dont have the jobs that have the pay scale we once had , People that had good jobs have lost to plant closing as well as jobs that have been sent over seas and the age of computers that have taken the place of people . when this happens , you lose tax dollars
The thing that bothers me the most about Perkins is that they have the mall and K.B.I even though K.B.I is in danger of closing as well as the medical offices that are all over and Holtels and motels .
And Sandusky due to the lack of leadersship is doing better as far as I know . And the sad part about it , is If I recall right , Got a tax levy approved as well as a grant for One million dollars
The thing that hurt Perkins was the fact that the state wouldbnt be any help due to the school board not appling for help which if I recall they would have gotten and the township elected to place the burden on the all ready over burdened tax payers , which is not at all fair to the tax payers
I dont doubt that the township needs to repair as well as replace some of the schools , but the bottom line is this is a bad time to ask the tax payers for aditional taxes as well as carry the full burden without state funds to build a new school.
Perkins you blew it and onless there are changes to the school board as well as the use of commen sense you can forget any help from tax payers

senioritis

People who know (work at KBI) have admitted that the problems at KBI are not related to the school.

gene44870

I am not saying the problems at that plant are related to the schools , I am saying that due to the lack of people that are working at that plant there is a loss of tax dollrs and that is going to make it more difficalt to get people to vote for new taxes . weather or not its property tax or not dont make any difference . You have to have good paying jobs to get taxes passed , Its like the domino effect , when you looss tax dollars it hurts all the way around

beestee

Proud Perkins Grad...
Well said.

EZOB

15th,
Had they been working instead of walking the streets they could have earned their own money to play sports. My parents didn't buy anything. I paid my own way and so did many more that I know and we all worked hard all our lives. That needs to be taught instead of going door to door begging.

themomx6

Well said!

fifteenthgreen

Agree 100%, EZOB

WesTaylor

But you played sports for free......

fifteenthgreen

Right, but I played on grass.

Good 2 B Me

Better clarify that 15 before one of the 'yes' people think that you mean you played on pot!

fifteenthgreen

Kentucky Blue Grass! :)

NOTME

I'm not sure I understand your comment...I too had to pay my own way. Do you know if your parents ever voted yes to a school levy? I know that while I was in high school my family fell on hard times but my parents voted yes to the levies knowing it might make things a little more difficult in that moment but ensuring the continuing education of their 6 children was worth the sacrifice.

ProudPerkinsGrad

I am one of those pesky college kids "recruited" by former teachers (some of who have had the biggest of impacts on my life) to vote for a school district that really holds a strong place in my heart. I'm saddened tonight, not only by the vote on the levy, but also thinking about this community's future. It's crazy to think some citizens actually believe that Gunner or any member of the school district has malicious intent against tax payers. Using this as a stance is just a crutch for the real reason of not supporting our schools. I see a small community worried about from where paychecks will be coming, but I also see a full parking lot most evenings at restaurants and bars (not to mention new restaurants coming in). I see the newest iPhone in hand and the best Nike shoes Kobe bryant can put his name on. And, as a whole, I see a community that says all of these things are more important than the education of our students. This is disheartening!
So in ten years, after the school has been taken over, teachers have left or retired, BOEs re elected or changed, and only more levies still on the ballot, what's left of the district? At this point in life, most of my classmates and I will be searching for places to settle down, raise a family, and join a community. Which do you think we'll select? I know I won't be part of one that won't support a school system for my children.
I ask that this is given thought before the next vote is decided.

ProudPerkinsGrad

I am one of those pesky college kids "recruited" by former teachers (some of who have had the biggest of impacts on my life) to vote for a school district that really holds a strong place in my heart. I'm saddened tonight, not only by the vote on the levy, but also thinking about this community's future. It's crazy to think some citizens actually believe that Gunner or any member of the school district has malicious intent against tax payers. Using this as a stance is just a crutch for the real reason of not supporting our schools. I see a small community worried about from where paychecks will be coming, but I also see a full parking lot most evenings at restaurants and bars (not to mention new restaurants coming in). I see the newest iPhone in hand and the best Nike shoes Kobe bryant can put his name on. And, as a whole, I see a community that says all of these things are more important than the education of our students. This is disheartening!
So in ten years, after the school has been taken over, teachers have left or retired, BOEs re elected or changed, and only more levies still on the ballot, what's left of the district? At this point in life, most of my classmates and I will be searching for places to settle down, raise a family, and join a community. Which do you think we'll select? I know I won't be part of one that won't support a school system for my children.
I ask that this is given thought before the next vote is decided.

ProudPerkinsGrad

I am one of those pesky college kids "recruited" by former teachers (some of who have had the biggest of impacts on my life) to vote for a school district that really holds a strong place in my heart. I'm saddened tonight, not only by the vote on the levy, but also thinking about this community's future. It's crazy to think some citizens actually believe that Gunner or any member of the school district has malicious intent against tax payers. Using this as a stance is just a crutch for the real reason of not supporting our schools. I see a small community worried about from where paychecks will be coming, but I also see a full parking lot most evenings at restaurants and bars (not to mention new restaurants coming in). I see the newest iPhone in hand and the best Nike shoes Kobe bryant can put his name on. And, as a whole, I see a community that says all of these things are more important than the education of our students. This is disheartening!
So in ten years, after the school has been taken over, teachers have left or retired, BOEs re elected or changed, and only more levies still on the ballot, what's left of the district? At this point in life, most of my classmates and I will be searching for places to settle down, raise a family, and join a community. Which do you think we'll select? I know I won't be part of one that won't support a school system for my children.
I ask that this is given thought before the next vote is decided.

ProudPerkinsGrad

I am one of those pesky college kids "recruited" by former teachers (some of who have had the biggest of impacts on my life) to vote for a school district that really holds a strong place in my heart. I'm saddened tonight, not only by the vote on the levy, but also thinking about this community's future. It's crazy to think some citizens actually believe that Gunner or any member of the school district has malicious intent against tax payers. Using this as a stance is just a crutch for the real reason of not supporting our schools. I see a small community worried about from where paychecks will be coming, but I also see a full parking lot most evenings at restaurants and bars (not to mention new restaurants coming in). I see the newest iPhone in hand and the best Nike shoes Kobe bryant can put his name on. And, as a whole, I see a community that says all of these things are more important than the education of our students. This is disheartening!
So in ten years, after the school has been taken over, teachers have left or retired, BOEs re elected or changed, and only more levies still on the ballot, what's left of the district? At this point in life, most of my classmates and I will be searching for places to settle down, raise a family, and join a community. Which do you think we'll select? I know I won't be part of one that won't support a school system for my children.
I ask that this is given thought before the next vote is decided.

beborcott

Apparently they didn't teach you to only push enter once.

Common Sense

beborcott:
Do you really have to put others down? Is that how you "compensate" your own sel-esteem issues? Grow up.

Julie R.

@beborcott: That was hilarious! Thanks for the laugh.

Bherrle

Or perhaps you don't get the irony of his first sentence. "...one of those pesky college kids?"

Well played ProudPerkinsGrad, well played!

chongo

Exactly how many times do you feel the need to preach to people much older and wiser?

Bherrle

Older doesn't mean wiser Chongo.

starryeyes83

Do the "pesky college kids" pay property taxes , yet?

I live in another town and when I visit I see many parking lots with out of state plates and Ohio plates with county stickers other than "22".

Just stating fact.

Bherrle

So only land owners should get to vote in this country? If I remember my World History correctly, a number of revolutions occurred because of that very fact. The land owners had all the power.

fifteenthgreen

Today, all of the voters did!

starryeyes83

I was simply referring to the point proud perkins grad made about the parking lots.

In other words, Not everyone who fills those restaurant, bars and stores live and VOTE in Erie County.

Hope that's simple enough, now.

Good 2 B Me

Sad news kids. With a 340 vote difference, We need to get out there and push the NO VOTE even harder in November. Vote Against the BOE and send Another Harsh message! We will not go wuietly into the night!

fifteenthgreen

Won't need to now that the district is being dismantled and the state is no longer picking up 12.5% of the voters tax tab!

Good 2 B Me

I know! Now I am scared and will vote Yes! Oh wait...not really! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

goodtime1212

Need to find the " Vote No " signs sooner, they seemed to show up at the last minute on Campbell St.

EZOB

Proud Perkins Grad,
Recruited College Kid? Where are you living Now? You haven't settled down yet?
I'll bet you have an I-Pod and I-Phone, did you or Your parents Buy it. You aren't dry behind the ears yet (Not negative, just referring to your age) so post again in afew years when you are supporting yourself.

Bherrle

And now only land owners are allowed to have opinions too.

fifteenthgreen

Not today. Just the voting public!

Fromthe419

I suggest you call our Congressmen and suggest that they apply the Ohio Constitution that declared funding schools by property taxes illegal. We are a tourist destination, put bed taxes or earned income taxes to fund our schools. We have something here that is in demand, let those that come to our area for vacation help pay like they do in Florida. Florida has no income tax and their schools are fully funded. For us to continue to go through this insanity is beyond me, the answer is quite clear.

starryeyes83

Why not? Since they are the ones paying for it.

Well, renters do too- through increased rent payments,

Do college kids pay property taxes? Not many.

Transplant1

Stop whining, congratulating and playing poor me. Get up off your seats and go to Columbus. You say your State Reps are not helping. March to Columbus. You are not the first district to have this happen, and not the last. If you want schools paid for legally, constitutionally and not by the land owners then get with the other districts and go. That is the only way. You yes and no voters running your mouths need to go to stand together and take the fight south. This is not a win for anyone. There were over 5000 registered voters who did not vote. You yes and no voters who did not get them to vote failed. I have taken men and women off the battle field and delivered them to families in coffins for us to vote. And you yes and no voters cannot get over half of the registered voters to vote? Shows how proud you all are.

ProudPerkinsGrad

Apologies for posting that multiple times, I don't have an iPhone

beborcott

You just don't have patience, young Skywalker....

Consent of the ...

A bully only needs to beat a kid down once to take his/her lunch money, but the kids being bullied have to defend themselves each and every time the bully comes around looking for a little extra coin.

My message to the "kids" tonight; don't back down, keep your heads up, and remember, as you've shown twice already, there is strength in numbers.

fifteenthgreen

Agree Consent. They'll be fine with the hand they've been dealt. Good life lesson!

Bherrle

Yeah, good life lesson.

Boats at houses with "Vote NO" signs. Vote NO signs in front of some very nice homes. Vote no signs at houses I've seen Cadillac's at. People openly stating that my kids are out of school, someone else helped pay for them, but it's not my responsibility to pay for yours now.

People who are openly rude & insult others. People who can't argue a point with just facts.

fifteenthgreen

2,482 people that voted NO regardless of the material items that you've listed and 2,482 people that just ended the argument.....for now!

Fromthe419

So do you propose redistribution of wealth? I don't care if my neighbor has a Cadillac, if he has a good job and worked to earn it good for him. It seems your ideas are collectivist, if you like that solution move to Cuba...how's that working out for them? I know you love Perkins School District, send them however much it would cost if the levy passed, I'm sure they will take the money and every other "yes" voter do the same. Maybe they won't have to come back to the voters in November, and stop looking at my boats, cars and No signs in my yard :)

Lil DAB

What house I live in, car I drive, food I eat is no concern of yours unless YOU contribute to MY income. Since I AM a property owner and work, I DO contribute to the schools, so I DO have a say and MY say is NO more of the 65% taxes that I already SUPPORT my community, schools, kids with! How rude of YOU, Mr Herrle, to insult and be so condescending.

Bherrle

Fromthe419 and Lil Dab,

I do not propose a redistribution of wealth. I am not trying to be insulting or condescending. And I do not begrudge people who have nice things.

What I propose is a community that comes together and takes care of itself. At the moment, I am at a loss to suggest how that is done.

takeastand

maybe St. Mary's can beat Perkins in football since PHS won't have a team this year!

takeastand

maybe St. Mary's can beat Perkins in football since PHS won't have a team this year!

Transplant1

10,106 registered voters minus 4624 voters that voted equals 5482 votes left out there. Could go either way as I see it.

bobshumway92

How many kids will leave the district due to the threats?

Transplant1

I did like the flier that came in the mail from St Mary's a month or so again promoting their school and targeting free activities.

Tribester

Donutshopguy you are a joke! First of all the "Folly" as you call it was a one time chance to get your federal stimulus tax money back in our local community, others like Port Clinton had the brains to take it but this community said no thanks.
There is nothing wrong with moving millage, they were not the first district to do this nor likely the last.
I just had to explain to my crying elementary age children that they will not have their art, music, computer, PE teachers this year because less than 200 people in this community chose to vote no instead of yes for the schools.
So congratulations no voters, you win your pyrrhic victory! I'm sure you are all very proud of yourself and your stand against the unconstitutional school funding system in Ohio. Maybe we can be the agent for change when the state takes over in a few years and merges us with Sandusky. I hope that happens because then your precious millage will skyrocket to the Sandusky rate which always passes due to "all those no good renters"
By the way, a levy will eventually need to pass or the district will cease to exist, and when it does it will cost 12.5 percent more FOREVER due to the end of the state contribution.
Maybe Gunner and the board should resign tomorrow and let you geniuses have a crack at running the district. A new superintendent worth anything would come to the same conclusion, this district is operationally underfunded and has major facility issues that the no voters choose to ignore. Fifteenthgreen - you think this is funny that teachers have lost their jobs and kids will have to quit sports now because of the $730 fee? I am sad for you and the others who will take glee in the children's defeat tonight. This is a sad day for Perkins Pride and this community's future. Hope you get all you wish for with your selfish no vote tonight.

bobshumway92

Sore loser.

Common Sense

No, just letting you know some of the impact of your no vote and the consequences that may follow.

FearistheMindKiller

Bob, did you learn how to spell polls correctly yet? Or you still working on that high school education?

bobshumway92

Still waiting on you to name a time and place to meet face to face. I will only continue my conversation with you in person.

Edwin Ison

You must be furious with Gunner, if he had not moved that money your kids would still have art, music, PE and computers.

Bherrle

Nope - but i am furious with 2,482 other people.

I'm very happy with Dr. Gunner.

fifteenthgreen

If you are going to attempt to pass another levy in November, you are going to need a few of those 2,482, bherrle. Not off to a real good start with the next campaign.

Edwin Ison

Not directed to you Brad.

middleclassworker

The way I see it, any one who wants to financially support the school doesn't need a tax to do so.....open up your check book and write one out to Perkin's school....but don't ask others to support a deceptive administration

Good 2 B Me

Drama Queen!

Consent of the ...

Please spare us the sanctimonious sob story. And when has it been the teacher's place to "explain" something like this to their students? Seems to me that something like that falls under the responsibility of the parents.

Good 2 B Me

The $730 pay-to-play is BS! If the levy passed, the monies would not begin to be collected until 2014. How exactly does that affect the Current Football Season? It all works out the same. Pass or fail, the money is not in until next year.

WesTaylor

They are asking for the money immediately.

Good 2 B Me

No kidding? I am smart enough to figure that out. I also am smart enough to figure out that it was a bullying tactic!

WTG BOE and Gunner talking that they are against Bullies in Schools while being Bullies to the Taxpayers!

fifteenthgreen

No, Tribester, this isn't funny. I'm for keeping teachers over 1.7 mil stadium contributions, 3.5 mil building design loan, millage moves and unnecessary laptop programs. Time to get back to the basics and get a good education like the good old days!

Bherrle

15th,

You seem to think that the answers are real easy. I hope to see your name on ballot for November.

Or would you rather just continue to sit back and criticize from the keyboard?

fifteenthgreen

Today, I stand with the 2,481!

Yellow Snow

Tell your children you will organize and gather tax deductible donations of money from the community. I am sure all yes voters will support you.

Good 2 B Me

I agree. Let the Yes voters cough up my share since they are so gung-ho for it! Come on people, here is your chance to be the Goody Goody that you try to portray! Do the right thing 'Yes' voters and just send the BOE a check. It is your choice!

Rosa

If your children are crying about an election, it must be from whatever you told them to make them feel that way. You are the parent and should make this into a life learning experience. For example more family activities: go to our wonderful library(there are all kinds of activies for the whole family there),involve your whole family in sports activities, go biking, go to the park. With your extra tax dollars, buy a few music lessons for them or art lessons. For the family, this may be a blessing in disguise. But don't try and make NO voters feel guilty because they do not agree with you. Some people may not be as well off as you and need the extra tax dollars for utilities or meds, or something extra they may want, not to pay for your kids to have the extras. Your kids are still getting an education, so be happy. If you show negativity so will your kids. So if anyone is selfish, it is you!

Lil DAB

TRIBESTER had to explain "to my crying elementary age children that they will not have their art, music, computer, PE teachers this year because less than 200 people in this community chose to vote no instead of yes for the schools."
UNBELIEVABLE! "Good leadership" in your home for your elementary age children. (NOT!) Kids taught lessons like that when they are little, grow up and don't accept consequences or adversary in school or the workplace.

takeastand

maybe you should explain to your crying children how democracy works and that schools have to work within a budget just like the average citizen does. May be a good life lesson!

Donegan

When you teach your children that thier happiness depends on others, You are building them up for a miserable life of reality. Why not teach them instead that when times get tough people like to conserve what they have and you cannot depend on forcing people to pay your way. It seems harsh But will teach them common sense and what real life truly is.

FearistheMindKiller

Tribester,

Thank you for sharing your feelings about this vote. I'm with you. Those of us with children still in school have a different perspective.

I wonder how some of these vote no people would feel if we voted no for the roads they drive on, the fire dept. that saves lives, the drones used to kill innocent foreigners, their medicaid, medicare, subsidized auto plants, subsidized farms, etc etc....?

Do any of them know what the concept of pay it forward means? Do any of them understand what it means to invest in training and education?

This township and district is so polarizing, all people like to do is bitch and complain. Who the heck isn't short on money? I am, I'm broke, but I would find a way to squeeze and save to pay for the extra levy costs. Why? I believe education is important and the the future of our community is more important than a few steaks on the grill, cases of beer and pork rinds on the table.

Those who support education, arts, music, science, math and athletics, don't give up. It's okay to move onto other communities where there are those that do support these things exist. Let the rot settle in here and when the abandoned buildings and township starts to resemble parts of old Sandusky then these people can relish and enjoy the wonders of what it's like to always vote no.

VOTENO

Hopefully you're one of the 14 teachers that lost their job. I sure don't want you in the same classroom with my kids. Whacko.

PyrkinsPyrate

My children won the election tonight. More of my money will be in my pocket to spend on them, not spent on the entertainment of people who want the community to pay to amuse their brats. My children won because the excesses and abuses of elected leaders who have lost the pulse of the community and became the puppets of special interests were rebuked. I am so happy.

Yellow Snow

Re:ProudPerkinsGrad as Sandusky's population ages and manufacturing job opportunities leave, can you understand why so many no votes? As your wages are hopefully beginning to grow, many are living on reduced and fixed paychecks. It was good paying union jobs that payed high taxes to support your beloved high school. Those days are, unfortunately gone, and now schools must depend on the rest of us. There are a lot important jobs that need to be done in this country, few of them have retirements as good as teachers do. And isn't that you and I both want out of working years? Our children went to SMCC, where the wage and benefits are much less, but the kids had happy years, and went into life well prepared. Don't confuse money dumped into a school with your children's best interest. You make mortgage payments for 20 years, then plan for retirement. By then, your property taxes are greater than your mortgage.

Rosa

Yellow Snow,
Great Response!!

bao

or maybe you could tell your crying children that their supt and board moved operating funds that paid for their music, art and pe teachers from that fund to another to build a new academy for them and 2482 community members showed their dis approval of that move.

beborcott

lol. truth

Good 2 B Me

Saying that Money equates a better education is quite a story to tell the children. Perhaps the BOE should teach the children and the community how to better budget the money and plan for the future while living within their means.

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