Sandusky ordered to rehire fired police officer

Arbitrator rules he was wrongfully terminated and is due back pay for time off
Andy Ouriel
Apr 19, 2013

Sandusky officials fired police Officer Todd Smith in April 2012 for allegedly exchanging nude photos with a supervisor’s wife via text messaging.

An arbitrator ruled Smith should be returned to the force and receive back pay for his out-of-work period.

Arbitrator Robert Stein’s report said the exchange of nude photos doesn’t violate city policy, nor did it stop Smith from fulfilling his police duties.

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Comments

DGMutley

Agree. His personal life is none of the department's business nor the business of the Sandusky community. Chief Lang was in error releasing the details of this internal department investigation to the public. This incident should have been handled differently.

Best of luck Officer Smith!

Señor Clown

Personal matters become professional matters when you bring them to work. Don't you see any way in which (allegedly) having an affair with a supervisor's spouse could cause problems in the workplace?

arnmcrmn

It could have, but unless they were sleeping together on the super's desk...all of this occurred outside of work.

hazelwood

I agree his personal life is none of the communities or the department's business UNLESS all of this BS was going on while he was on duty. Then it is their business and he should have been disciplined for conducting personal business during work hours. Maybe not fired, but some sort of reprimand. I know in this day and age people just can't seem to survive without their cell phones, but the city should have a policy against personal cell phone usage during work hours.

been-there-done-that

Agree Mutley. Was all to appease the News Paper because their "opinion" is Very Obvious! They should just go back to reporting the news and keeping their opinions (no matter how subtle) out!!

Matt Westerhold

Thanks for the comment been-there-done-that. Generally, community newspapers have published opinion pages daily for about 150 years and continue to do that, and more recently at digital news web sites. The Register's no different.

Here's an excerpt from a Feb. 15 'Between the Lines' blog post on that topic: 

Maybe police Sgt. Steve Ritterbach deserves a second chance on the force and the same might be true for SPD officer Todd Smith. Both were fired last year after a sexting, texting and threats incident involving them and Ritterbach's new wife. 

Maybe they don't deserve their jobs back. Who knows? 

But taxpayers know — and commissioners would be well served to learn — that spending $100,000 on failed disciplinary actions is not a wise use of the public's money, and there's likely to be additional expense when city attorneys mail their invoices to taxpayers.

John Harville

Matt... experience says that unless you're reporting what these anonymous poster want to read/here, the SR is the 'lame stream' media. It seems history in the last year has borne out the morass of governing that is Sandusky.

mikel

be vary, vary careful been there. the last time i spoke against the SR i was banned for a period.

Dont Worry Be Happy

Many of us agree with you been-there-done-that. When people start discussing the SR that's the same thing we all say they need to go back to REAL reporting or come out with their own gossip paper.

MrSandusky

So what we are saying is that it is really the Union that keeps us from cleaning up the SPD (if "cleaning up" is actually a fair way of saying it).

Dont Worry Be Happy

Its sad that the union can help dirty people keep their jobs. I have never been a fan of the union seen way to many people do drugs or drink or just be horrible workers, get fired and get their jobs back.

John Harville

and ALL those you mention were UNION employees. Right? Bull!

Dont Worry Be Happy

Yep

Mr. Harville they were.

YoMamma

The public employee unions are the reason. Is it me or has every arbitrator reinstated the fired employees with back pay?

John Harville

Was the Huron superintendent Union?

John Harville

YoMamma... yeah, it's you.

An arbitrator is to bring parties to an agreement - not judge guilt or innocence.

BOTH PARTIES must agree to enter into arbitration and to abide by the opinion of the arbitrator.

If the City thought it could do better, it would have skipped arbitration - except that most employment contracts (union or non) require arbitration.

Now The Rest of...

An arbitrator makes decisions either binding or non binding depending on the union contract. A Mediator attempts to bring all parties into an agreement. Big difference in authority..

John Harville

YoMamma... yeah, it's you.

An arbitrator is to bring parties to an agreement - not judge guilt or innocence.

BOTH PARTIES must agree to enter into arbitration and to abide by the opinion of the arbitrator.

If the City thought it could do better, it would have skipped arbitration - except that most employment contracts (union or non) require arbitration.

MrSandusky

How can it be "required" but yet have a choice to enter arbitration? You contradict your own post in the same post...

entitled to my ...

He never should have been fired in the first place. And, keep in mind, any money he earned during his time "off" is deducted from the back pay he is going to receive. Also, I agree with DG- this should have been handled "in house". Except for Stookey, has the city EVER won an arbitration case when they have fired an employee? I think the answer is NO! Think about it, must mean these employees SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN FIRED!
Good Luck, Todd!

nobodyfromnowhere

Unfortunately it seems the city likes to go nuclear in their discipline, then when a independent party looks at it they see the obvious overkill and rule against the city. The city needs to exercise a lot more common sense in the disciplinary actions. A couple day suspension would have much more realistic. And cost effective.

Pragmatic

So….does the City need to actually write this into the policy? “Pursuant to common sense and ethical standards, no City employee shall send, trade, or view nude photos of or with other people’s spouses.” What kind of “company” is this if they have to literally spell this out to people?

Hasn’t anyone heard of a “psychological contract”?

You learn about that in college classes. We have a psychological contract for these things because there isn’t any way to write a policy for everything. There is an expectation that people are going to behave in a socially acceptable manner (especially law enforcement). Since this doesn’t always happen, there are measures in place for consequences.

Right or wrong, our society holds law enforcement at a higher standard.
Trust is a real issue in the law enforcement community. This officer certainly didn’t display any intellect in his actions. Why should anyone who is stopped by him for accidentally running a red light or going seven miles an hour over the speed limit actually care what he says? I don't have any respect this person.

Now, this arbitrator is telling the citizens (taxpayers)of Sandusky (and the world) that this behavior is acceptable….there aren’t any consequences in the professional environment when immoral acts occur.

I can’t believe that an arbitrator is so ignorant to contend that the City should have this type of thing written in the policy. If people support this guy…then, you may want to check your own morals. If he violated your life like that….you would view this with different lenses.

Corporate America deals with unethical issues too…just like union jobs. However, when employees are terminated in non-union jobs - - there aren’t any arbitrators to tell the company that they need to rehire a guy who is sending nude photos to his supervisor’s wife.

This is our tax dollars at work….we get to give him back pay for being stupid, unethical, and immoral. No intelligent person can say that this would not affect his workplace environment…it was his supervisor’s wife.

We are emotional creatures – any organizational behavior psychologist would tell you that this had an affect on the work environment to some degree. Nobody would care if he was doing this with his own wife/girlfriend off the clock.

This system is laughable and would provide a great deal of fodder for late night talk show hosts. When you work for the public...IT IS our business!

entitled to my ...

Pragmatic- I think the problem is this: Both Officers involved should have been disciplined, just NOT fired! I am sure, like most places that have a union, there are "progressive" disciplinary steps that need to be followed, unless, of course, the violation is egregious. Which, in this case, and the last few cases the City has lost, were not.
The City spends all this money, hires outside council, and NEVER wins. Before firing a City employee, they need to be sure they can win in arbitration. And the City needs to remember this: the arbitrator is a neutral party. They look at the facts and make their decision accordingly. It may not be the decision that is most popular, but usually it is the RIGHT decision!

nobodyfromnowhere

You got it dead on.

John Harville

Are the supervisor and his wife still married?

asecretlife

no

nobodyfromnowhere

Prag, you speak of what the arbitrator is telling the citizens of Sandusky. Did you read the decision? If so please provide your source, since I haven't seen it posted on line. Or are you just guessing what is in his report?

Also who's life was violated?

PaulYall

Correct me if I'm wrong..but wasnt there a fist fight between the two officers over this? one was in inform?

lor70

No there was no physical fighting involved!

donutshopguy

If we don't figure in morals and ethics he did nothing wrong. I kinda like my policemen to have those traits.

Do you really wonder why people don't respect the police or trust them.

entitled to my ...

Does anybody know if the City is going to waste more money and appeal the decision? And I, too, like my policemen to have morals and ethics, however, that being said, ALL parties involved were consenting adults. The only laws that were broken were God's laws.....

JohnDorian12

Yes it is common knowledge that ard is appealing this, the court will NOT overturn this and it will cost taxpayers anotherb$15-$20k to appeal, plus they will be paying him back pay from this date on, great move Nicole!!

John Harville

Ard can appeal without commission approval of the expenditure?

Now The Rest of...

Binding arbitration is not appealable unless there is prior agreement in the union contract, hence the term "binding" arbitration...

nobodyfromnowhere

I hear to save money she's going to submit the appeal in crayon on a McDonalds napkin.

Buckeye_Nation

this guy is a joke and should have been fired, why would anyone stick up for him, he took inappropriate pics to work, not to mention they were of his superviser's wife, just wrong. if this all happened outside of work, then fine no problem, but the guy is still a dirtbag. i have no respect for him and if i ever see him, will let him know that, but he will probably play "i am a cop you better respect me" card. sorry but trash like you don't deserve respect

lor70

Those of us who care about Todd, know that he is NOT a dirtbag! He made a mistake and paid his dues! I am in no way condoning his behavior, but I have a feeling whoever you are Buckeye_Nation, he doesn't really care if he has your respect or not! He knows who is on his side and that is all that matters!

nobodyfromnowhere

If I'm not mistaken he didn't take or show them at work. They were sent to him by the Sgts wife who the Sgt. wanted Smith to have sex with.

WhyRweHere

Sounds like someone has a bit of a personal vendetta against this guy...this post sounds like it should be written in the manner of, "gee Billy, if I ever see that boy im gonna tell him who's who, that'll show him!!" Plus I think I know who YOU are, if you are who I think you are, im guessing I would place a bet on you never telling any MAN anything to his face...regardless of what "card" he pulled

lor70

LOL!! Good one WhyRweHere! I think I may know who it is....and if I'm right...you hit the nail right on the head!

Buckeye_Nation

and to lor70, how old are you, because you sound like the little kid in school who had the big friends to stick up for and defend him, because he liked to run his mouth, "heheheh good one buddy, you really showed him, now let me go back to being your little lapdog".

Buckeye_Nation

i doubt you know who i am, but good for you for thinking that you "know" something, because "gee Billy, you really sound like an idiot" try not to overwork yourself by thinking too hard if you know who "I" am.

entitled to my ...

What I don't understand is, why go through the process (and cost) of arbitration if the ruling can be appealed? I agree with JohnDorian12, the court will abide by the arbitrator's decision, so why even bother?

007

I have had dealings with arbitrators in the past. In all the cases I have been involved with both parties agree that the decision made is legal, final and binding. This is agreed upon before moving forward with the case. The Arbitrator is usually a retired judge or attorney that both sides agree upon. If the officer would have lost, he wouldn't have the luxury of an appeal. So for Ard to appeal the Arbitrator's ruling tells the taxpayers that she is remedial in her duties as a city manager and has no regard for the waste full spending of taxpayers monies. On the other hand, maybe, just maybe she has another scrap of paper in her pocket like the one that magically balanced the city budget only this one would say AH WE HAVE 20 GRAND JUST LYING HERE, LET'S SPEND IT ON MORE LEGAL FEES INSTEAD OF USING OUR HEADS AS A DOOR STOP!!

Julie R.

"The Arbitrator is usually a retired judge or attorney that both sides agree upon."

This is true. It's why I'm still trying to figure out why Ron Bailey went along with using Erie County's favorite rent-a-judge Joseph Cirigliano in the Nuesse case.

SamAdams

In my opinion, Smith behaved in such a manner -- one involving a fellow employee -- that it absolutely warranted termination. The problem? His acts didn't fall within the parameters set for termination contractually speaking. The City, while the firing is obviously tempting, should have known better!

Helpful note to City Human Resources: AMEND THE FREAKING CONTRACT! All of these "wrongful terminations" are wasting money that could be much better spent elsewhere.

Helpful note to the Union: STOP DEFENDING THE INDEFENSIBLE! It only makes those of us who have a poor opinion of unions in general realize just how right we are.

John Harville

Samandaaaa... Congratulations! Another opportunity for you to attack unions.

Suppose someone alerts your boss to your identity on here and things you write and your employer fires you?

SamAdams

I'm not attacking unions per se, but rather the kind of thing they've become. A union, for example, took down Hostess rather than make necessary concessions. A union HERE has obviously defended dirty pictures being sent to the spouse of a co-worker. When unions defend safety, I'm for them. When unions address LEGITIMATE discrimination, I'm for them. In these cases? Not so much.

As for my boss firing me, well, there's one SURE thing: If I ever sent naked pics of myself to my boss or my boss's spouse, I WOULD be fired. And I'd deserve to be.

sash

It was my understanding that Ritterbach's wife was the one who started the "sexting", with Ritterbach's approval. I really don't understand anyone who sends nude pictures of themselves, but this whole thing was between three consenting adults. Tacky in the extreme, but perfectly legal. Ritterbach apparently had no problems with sex between his wife and Smith, but didn't want texting! It is like a bad soap opera, but personal disagreements between the officers didn't warrant termination. The whole situation is tacky, but Ard needs to let it go.

pavedparadise

@SamAdams.

Take some time and read up on Hostess. You'll find out you are very wrong.

pavedparadise

Hypothetical::

John Doe and Billy Bob work in a factory with 300 employees. John Doe has a flirtatious relation ship, and may lead to promiscuity, with Billy Bob's wife. Billy Bob finds out and threatens John Doe while at work. Do they get fired, reprimanded or separated to different work areas for something non-work related?

Common sense says they are both called into supervisions office separately and counseled or given time off(amount of time dependent upon severity) but not fired.

nobodyfromnowhere

Since so far it's unions:2 city:0 what u think is indefensible is very defensible.

Gardenman

At first I thought this sounded all wrong. BUT when you think it has certain elements similar to the Fred Fox situation in Huron Schools. In this one the City of Sandusky will probably rehire him and avoid further legal legation but in Huron they chose to ignore the ruling and face more leagl battles and legal costs.

Was this not the same officer who had the accident and I am thinking like 2 in a city police car. He did huge damage to one of Sandusky like then new Chevy's when he plowed into the side of an innocent lady driving a SUV? Maybe I am wrong was another officer.

My question is it seems like Sandusky had gotten several of these firing wrong. Where are the legal guidance the City of Sandusky retains. Don't these folks know the law or are they using a different set of law books. There has been several cases where they have gotten it all wrong. I think it time to take a very hard look at the legal advice the City of Sandusky is getting and maybe its time for a change.

lor70

This is not the same officer.

nobodyfromnowhere

Did u see the budget? Submitted on notebook paper. Can you really be surprised?

John Harville

Did all this nude texting occur on a CITY-OWNED computer?
Did either of the TWO parties involved object = as in the case of Wiener's wierner?
If YOUR boss finds out you've been sexting with his/her love interest, is it okay to fire you? Or just beat your asp?

Don't argue for privacy on one hand then argue the right to check someone's email and take job action.

Oh... but why not? Yawl are soooo good at the hypocrisy thing.

mikel

tsk tsk

nobodyfromnowhere

It was on personal cell phones. Both Smith and the Sgt's wife were willing participants. The Sgt started this whole thing when he asked Smith to sleep with his wife.

sandusky2012

lets see ard compensate for this in the budget... sexting is not a crime especially when its your own hotdog you are sending without the bun

JohnDorian12

lets not forget what the supervisor originally asked smith to do with his wife, then gets mad about texts and threatens to shoot him because of them, what would he have done had smith agreed to the original proposition, read the story people...

SamAdams

Haven't forgotten. His butt should have been terminated, too!

WhyRweHere

Uhm they were both terminated Sam

donutshopguy

entitled,

You are 100% correct. Doesn't say much for society as a whole.

Grandpa04

If it wasnt for unions, poeple would all be working for minimum wage and had terrible if any bennifits!

SoldOnAcorns

Educated people that live life in a morally acceptable manner do not need union scum backing them ! I have maintained the same job for the past 20+ years without paying union dues ! I'm sure Orzech will keep the 2 reinstated sexters on a short leash ! Hide yo children, hide yo wife when the sexters are near ! If I were Orzech I would put these 2 on patrol together, maybe they will have a duel off, issue solved for the city of Sandumpy !

JohnDorian12

Wow! Really??

JohnDorian12

Because no one in sandusky has ever been given a second chance right? No one to my knowledge has condoned what these two did...but none of it was criminal so no need to lock up "yo" kids, mr educated person lol

SoldOnAcorns

Trust me, this incident is just the tip of the iceberg with these two ! They are less than stellar human beings but as long as its not criminal it's Ok, right ? I wonder if Todd is still tappin into the slain officers memorial fund, figuratively speaking of course :D

WhyRweHere

Do you have some information we dont SOA? So easy to make accusations when you can hide behind your computer....and yes, I know, I also have an "alias" on here, but I am not spouting off accusations, then shutting my computer off acting like im someone....lol what a joke

lor70

Really?! Why do you feel that it is any of your business what Todd does in his personl life? Did someone get their feelings hurt? Sure sounds like someone is being a poor sport!!

WhyRweHere

Well, Mr. Perfect, please enlighten us on how it is you have remained so PERFECT for 20 years?? We are all just glued to our computers waiting to see how you are so perfect.....lol.....Youre saying what they did should result in them killing each other? How sad and pathetic is your perfect litte life? What color is the sky in your world? I dont know either one of these guys, nor do I know anyone who is on here spouting this crap or do I care to know any of you, but neither of these guys commited a crime and if we were all thrown into the depths of Hell for committing moral crimes, well im guessing SOA, you would be the only one left because for "20+ years" you worked without a union...blah blah blah blah....lol.....maybe you, wally and the beav, can go fishin down by the crick, while the rest of us live in our little immoral imperfect worlds and...dare i say it....in the world of UNIONS!!!! AHHHHH!!!!!! You are SUCH a joke!!

CAST THE FIRST STONE

Wish i could go back and get what i wrote then. I said why are we wasting our time it is just going to be a paid vacation. Union people deciding what unin people get. they will say it is a non bias party but we all know better. Party on wayne. not how you do your job it is taking care of eachother

cugs1

put him back to work asap, since youre paying him to sit at home. and please do not appeal, as you will probably wind up losing and end up paying him even more. even though he is a disgrace to both the pd and the fop, get him back to work so you no longer have to pay him for doing nothing

Just a Girl

So sad, I guess anything goes. I have no respect for arbitrator, referencing "Telemundo." No respect for these officers (by the way, their conduct-even if it was outside the workplace, was unbecoming an officer). Go ahead and do whatever, the union will get you out of it. Just because it isn't illegal, it's OK?! Ethics code out the window. If they can't be put on the same shift, then yes, it's a problem. Shouldn't have to alter police business because of these 2 chuckleheads.

Julie R.

I said back when all these firings were taking place ~ example, the cop that got fired for dishonesty about chewing tobacco ~ that it was nothing but a red herring to appease the sheep over the costly unjustified firing of Kim Nuesse. I predicted the unions would get their jobs back and everybody would then blame the unions.

SoldOnAcorns

Julie R....you are ALWAYS right ! Even when it comes to the corrupt Erie county courts & a certain bank in Huron that fraudulently filed blah, blah, blah ! Getting old honey, getting old.

Julie R.

It's also getting old, sweetheart, how many Sandusky policemen were fired after the expensive Nuesse fiasco (i.e. gee, let's appease the sheep) that have all now managed to get their jobs back.

Exactly as I predicted!

Dont Worry Be Happy

Does anyone else ever wonder if Julie R is Kim Nuesse? Lol

Julie R.

I'm not Kim Nuesse. I just know how the system works in Erie County.

Remember back when they fired a Sandusky police officer not because he was chewing tobacco but because he lied about it? I said the only reason they did that was because the joke 6th District Court of Appeals was getting ready to make public that they were going to deny Nuesse's appeal and go along with the retired rent-a-judges that Nuesse should stay fired "for failure to show absolute honesty." I said the firing of the SPD officer for lying was just to appease the sheep, knowing the union would get his job back.

Was I right? I also predicted how the Nuesse case was going to turn out back when her attorney went along with choosing Cirigliano ~ Baxter & Co.'s favorite rent-a-judge ~ as the hearing officer.

sandusky2012

what about officer unbecomming?
or does not have the proper morals?

sandusky2012

hey lets hire the cop whom raped that girl also !!!!

Julie R.

They probably will when they think the sheep have forgotten about it!

WhyRweHere

You are comparing what he did to rape? Wow...bitter much?

WhyRweHere

Here is the bottom line to this whole story.....ready??? I dont think anyone, including them, thinks what they did was "ok". We can debate about the severity of their actions all we want and we will never agree. The supervisor and his wife are adults and whether we like it or not, they can choose how to live their lives. Smith, made a mistake that was apparantly provoked by some proposition from the supervisor and then when asked about the texts he left out some info...ok....so those of you who are on here, basically crucifying them for this, are out of your minds!! Its either a "I HATE ALL COPS" thing or you are people who know them and regardless of what they do, you will want them to suffer....now, in REALITY (i know that is a hard thing for some of you to take hold of) other than the threats made by the supervisor, whatever his name is, which smith did not pursue, there was nothing criminal done. I have yet to talk to one person who feels either of them should have been fired in the first place, but the city felt they had to so they did....now they have gone through the process that, whether you agree or not, both the city and the union agreed on. They were both ordered to be placed back to work. From the information I have, the supervisor is back to work and if what I am reading on here, which God knows if it is, is true the City Manager is going to spend another $10-$15K to appeak smith's decision. If you have ever been involved with unions, given the nature of this entire incident, there is ZERO chance it gets overturned, why continue to pay him when youre not going to win? Who are you really hurting here?? Anyway, this wont be the first bad mistake the city has made and unfortunately it wont be the last. However, to those who have some personal angst against these two, give it a rest! Until you can say that you have NEVER made a mistake, just shut up!

lor70

Very well put, again, WhyRweHere! People on here are either "holier than thou" kind of people, cop haters or they have a personal "chip on their shoulder" at both men! I really don't think that either of them lose sleep over what these people think of them.

SoldOnAcorns

Heck no they don't lose any sleep over what people think of them ! That's how a narcissist lives their lives....they are the center of the universe ! Why do you think they become Cops ? I'll tell ya ! It makes them feel like they have total control and feeds their narcissistic minds ! This entire situation is ironic actually...karma does exist and is a bitter pill to swallow...I hope they choke on it !

Darkhorse

The city has a chance to correct the loopholes in the contract and let's hope they did. The city leaves themselves wide open when it comes to legal things that need to be taken care of but drag on. In the private sector, the person would be gone. If the city doesn't write it out, it becomes a loophole for the union. The city never got around to doing a proper employee handbook mapping out what should or should not be happening in the work place and they can blame themselves for the outcome.

WhyRweHere

Agreed ^^^^

lifetimeresident

Like I've said in the past. At least our lakes not on fire. Cleveland still wins.

nobodyfromnowhere

You do realize that the Lake Erie in Sandusky and The Lake Erie in Cleveland are the same lake? Your lake is their lake!

Hoss McGee

I really don't understand Todd! His wife is a very beautiful lady. I mean why risk the chance of ruining you marriage with a very beautiful lady for a picture.

JohnDorian12

LOL Right Hoss, Im guessing Todd isnt real threatened by a "person" who hides his identity and calls him out on a blog lol.....you people are funny!! Those who come on here and challenge Steve or Todd in the privacy of their parents basement....easy to bad mouth someone when you dont have to say who you REALLY are...lol JA!!

grandmasgirl

How can anyone have respect for the man as an officer of the law if he will cheat on his buddies? The same goes for any man or woman who cheats on their spouse. If they will cheat the ones they supposedly love, then why should they care for the public? He may have gotten his job back, but getting back respect will take a long time.

sandusky2012

A COP PULLS YOU OVER FOR SPEEDING AND ASK YOU WHAT THE HURRY IS ....
I RESPOND I MUST GET HOME SOMEONE JUST SENT MY WIFE A PICTURE OF HIS *@#*! BY PHONE AND WAS WONDERING WHAT WAS GOING ON?

sandusky2012

I ALSO WONDER IF WE PRINT THE PICTURE OF HIS SMALL JEWELS HE WILL AUTOGRAPH IT? MAYBE THAT COULD BE HIS NEW COP CARD?

sandusky2012

what about moral turpitude?

happycamper01

"Stupid people ought to wears signs," says Bill Engvall. It is true. No one, especially a public servant, should have an affair with a coworker's spouse. Companies have rules against dating coworkers so does it seem right to date your coworker's spouse? Here's your sign... People who display such stupidity should not be allowed to carry a gun (or a badge). Stupid people should not be allowed to bear arms (now wouldn't that help in correcting the gun problem in this country) because as Ron White stated, "YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID."

Nemesis

Exactly - forget morality; the behavior of both officers shows a profound lack of judgement and common sense, both of which are critical requirements for people we send out heavily armed, with both guns and extraordinary power and authority, amongst the populace.

sandusky2012

I thought Ohio was an employment at will state?

SoldOnAcorns

Looks as though WhyRweHere & lor70 might be one these "professionals" little side dish's. FYI- Penicillin will take care of it :P

WhyRweHere

lol, you are such a moron im surprised you have the brain capacity to turn on your computer....I love how if someone comes on here and defends anyone, they MUST be a relative or a friend or a "Side Dish"?? People like you who post stuff on here, insults and your own narrow minded opinion really make me laugh, because you actually believe that your opinion matters to...well anyone really......and what is this symbol :P??? What are ya 12?? lol maybe lor70 does know him, but I just think he is a guy who made a stupid mistake brought on by the other guy, I DONT think he should lose his career over it....sounds to me like youre just wee bit jealous of anyone who may get a little more action than you get....

lor70

What's wrong with sticking up for a fellow human being? I've read so many people ready to crucify these two men for doing something that I bet some of you on here have done! Did you ever hear the saying "Ye without sin cast the first stone"? But to put your "perverted mind at ease"....I do know Todd and I am proud to know Todd.....but I am not one of his "side dishes" as you like to say! I am his sister and have never condoned his behavior! But I believe in giving people second chances! I have seen his struggles this past year and I have seen him become a better person! He deserves to have his job back so him and his family can put this behind them and move on with their lives!

entitled to my ...

lor70: Todd and his family need to stop reading the blogs. Most of the people who comment on here don't have a clue about what is really going on. But, they are entitled to their opinions, and for the most part, they will be negative. By you responding, you are just adding fuel to the fire. My advice to Todd would be to be thank-ful his wife, who is beautiful, is willing to stand by him. The next time, and knowing Todd there will be a next time, the opportunity arises for him to cheat on his wife, he remembers this past year and all the pain he has caused her and his children, and he keeps "it" zipped in his pants!!
I agree 100% he deserves a second chance, I just pray he changes his ways and thanks God for the opportunity!

SoldOnAcorns

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Personal attacks (including: name calling, presumption of guilt or guilt by association, insensitivity, or picking fights).

KURTje

Sandusky 2012, please explain your take on Moral Turpitude. I've asked that question before but get more confused by every lawyers interpretation.

pavedparadise

Hypothetical::

John Doe and Billy Bob work in a factory with 300 employees. John Doe has a flirtatious relation ship, and may lead to promiscuity, with Billy Bob's wife. Billy Bob finds out and threatens John Doe while at work. Do they get fired, reprimanded or separated to different work areas for something non-work related?

Common sense says they are both called into supervisions office separately and counseled or given time off(amount of time dependent upon severity) but not fired.

sandusky2012

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my oh my

but it's ok to make death threats with a firearm especially when done by a fellow officer. the good ole boy system remains in effect....