Perkins Schools contract cut by $1 million; $11 million left to go

Non-teaching Perkins Schools employees approved a new 5-year contract this week that will save the district nearly $1 million during the next four years.
Alissa Widman Neese
Mar 14, 2013

 

That's one step.

Click here for a previous story about the proposed budget cuts for the district. 

The school board still can't agree on the next step, however, and determining what programs and staff members must be cut to save an additional $11 million remains unresolved.

Board members initially planned to announce two rounds of district-wide cuts last week and approve them this week.

Get the ePaper or buy a Register at a newsstand near you to read about what's next on the road to solvency for the Perkins school district.

After several hours of discussion during executive, closed-door meetings, however, they have yet to release vote for an approved list. 

"There are lots of options we need to discuss," board president Matt Kosior said. "If there was one good option we would have done it a long time ago. None of these cuts are cuts we want to make."

Check back here at sanduskyregister.com for updates on this story and breaking news as it happens.

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Perkins2060

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Pirate2007

Why are you so against this levy may I ask?

Perkins2060

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Kelly

Nope, voting YES!

There you go again

How about...Vote Furloughs!!!

Strong Schools ...

VOTE YES for our community!

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the unsilent ma...

Two no votes from this house. Im also considering adopting the woman from cincinatti who voted 6 times in the last election to vote no also. Oh wait she voted for obama so she doesnt mind reckless spending that goes against the wishes of the people who are supposed to be setting the goverment agenda with their votes.

Talkings hit

Bwahahaha! That didn't take long.

Pirate2007

Why vote no? Yes, I understand taxes will increase by about 20 dollars give or take a few. But, if this levy does not pass teachers will be cut and students education will go down. Is that what you want? If you want to keep teachers and keep the Perkins students education excellent you will vote yes on this levy!

Perkins2060

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bobshumway92

I agree, Vote No!

Pirate2007

Perkins 2060 Why?

Talkings hit

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phslowbrass

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bobshumway92

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Pirate2007

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bobshumway92

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Not Yer Pa

Actually, I fill out the absentee ballot for 3 grandparents and 2 parents. So I will be voting for 6 people on are levies.
(Yes, I know it's our and not are. Simple spelling mistakes amuse me. But then again, if that person is a 2007 Perkins grad, maybe the schools need all the help they can get.)

bobshumway92

That was my point. If that person is a 2007 grad, why give more money to a school that turns out that type of grad? Isn't the school ranked in the bottom in the area?

Not Yer Pa

But Bob, if the leveys fail the kids will loose out on there education. Are kids deserve the goodest things you're money can buy!

oldpirate

Vote yes

bobshumway92

I will cancel your vote by voting no.

Not Yer Pa

I'm going to keep it fair and get drunk as a dispatcher that day and not vote at all.

rukidingme

Why would anyone vote for this levy? I get it that the school is loosing money but why would they continue to hold money to build a school? Now that KBI is laying off, how will these people be able to afford it. It is hard times for everyone except for people on the boe. I am ashamed of our school board and how they are acting, I want it now, now, now!!!!! They seem like they will say anything or do anything to get this school built and if it costs jobs along the way it does not matter, Gunner got his way. I am still voting no and I always will until someone with some sense gets on the BOE.

Brainiac2007

I will definitely vote NO! Im so fed up with ALL school systems around this area, not one of them truly give 2 sh$ts! Im hoping the first thing to go is the sports! Get rid of them, it causes prejudices between children because the adults that run that school encourage it! Im so fed up with the same kids taking slots in any event that goes on, leaving so many others to feel like they do nothing right, and that their not good enough! Nice way to make children feel there STAFF OF PHS! Then you have EVERY school district crying about how broke they are well pss pss because its taking its toll on ALL of us! This is not just Perkins, its everywhere but when the citizens always play into and give them what they want they lay it on thicker the next time they put a levy on the ballot! No offense but as long as Perkins has open enrollment why should we vote yes on anything. My child was put in Perkins and NOT Sandusky for a reason, but yet how many kids are here from Sandusky? If they want to attend Perkins force the parents to move to the township and take on some of the financial burden! Easy as cake, they make their decisions sound so difficult! Put individuals into the decision making seats that can make these vital decisions without the amount of difficulty these fools seem to be having! And last but not least THE SUPERINTENDENT needs to GO! He has no care about what truly goes on in Perkins, he doesn't live here, he doesn't support the township, he's here for his paycheck! I can say from 6 years ago when my kids attended Perkins until now with my youngest child in Perkins there is a big difference in the way things are done! My first two were treated with respect, prospered in several things, 1:1 help given when needed in the classroom, and my youngest son is constantly getting bullied, he's extremely athletic but gets cut from all sports because several Sandusky kids have taken the spots and he doesn't have an "important" name, this time around has been the worst experience ive had in having all of my children pass through the educational system! I will NEVER again support a levy for Perkins until they get their heads out of their a$$es!

arnmcrmn

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Erie Countian

I'll say!

Not Yer Pa

And how!

bobshumway92

SMCC!

Not Yer Pa

Or SHS, his son could play there. Both schools need help. As a bonus he'd be sticking it to Sandusky taxpayers. Click the SHS advertisement and find out what SHS has to offer your son. Or complain anonymously on here and allow your son to be deprived of opportunities. Voting no won't be a cure all. You owe it to your son and to your own mental health.

wiredmama222

@brainiac....if you really feel that your child is being bullied, then that needs to be reported immediately. Take your child to the guidence office and name names! All schools today have a zero tolerance level for that sort of behavior in schools. They can offer assistance in stopping it cold. As for the athletics, if your son is athletic, attend some of the sports he is into and talk to the coach. Ask why he isn't getting some playing time yourself and find out. Maybe he is being bullied there as well and isn't putting forth as much effort as he had once. You will soon find out. Then you will know what to do. That's how I found out. Then you can do something about it. Either way, when bullying is going on, you need to know.

Lil DAB

They won't stop asking until they get the Ohio ten mill levy limit!

Ohio is one of a few states that uses a levy limit expressed in mills over a mathematical formula. Ohio has a levy limit on ten mills as school districts in Ohio cannot ask for more than ten mills of assessed valuation.[8] The ten mill limit is constitutionally protected by Article XII, Section II of the Ohio Constitution since 1953.[9] The required referendum for the ten mill limit did not become law until 1999.[8]

Types of leviesOhio has different types of levies that fall under the ten mill limit.

General levyThe general levy is used to provide operating funds and is known as an operating levy.

PI levyLevies used for permanent improvements are referred to as "permanent improvement" or PI levies.

Emergency levyAn emergency levy is a property tax that serves as a limited operating levy (maximum of five years) proposed for a specific dollar amount. Due to the dollar amount of taxes charged by the levy needing to stay constant, the millage rate increases.

Bond levyA bond levy is a property tax levy used to provide the local revenue for construction purposes.

Dual-purpose levyA dual-purpose levy is a single ballot issue for both a PI levy or bond issue combined with an operating levy. The issue may be continuing or limited. A PI/operating levy may be either a property tax or a school district income tax, but a bond/operating levy must be a property tax. The board, at the time it seeks the ballot issue, must state how much of the tax levy will be used for each purpose.

County financing district levyA county financing district levy is a property tax levy proposed by an educational service center for the support of a specific program or purpose (such as special education). If approved, the tax is levied on all participating districts in the county.

Incremental levyAn incremental levy is a property tax phased in for the full amount of the millage increase; it is also commonly known as a phase-in levy. It is a limited levy, with a maximum term of 10 years. Unlike the operating levy, an incremental levy imposes additional millage on a regular schedule throughout the life of the levy.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/inde...

Wald

I was told that the new Perkins campus (being built even though voters rejected it with the money Gunner stole...I mean moved) includes a parking garage for the students. Someone please tell me this isn't true.

Not Yer Pa

Not true. Laid off KBI employees will be hired to valet park the cars. Wash and wax services will be available, weather permitting.

observer

I'm voting NO because I WANT to vote NO!!!! That's all the reason anyone needs to give! WHY? is none of your business, frankly.

Not Yer Pa

I'm voting NO because I suffer from thalassoharpaxophobia.

goodtime1212

We will be voting no due to NO trust, ( not that I need to explane ).

Not Yer Pa

Nor do you need to explain.

Truth or Fiction

A lot of me. Not much we.

onlythetruth

So far we have generated 643 NO votes amongst coworkers, friends and family. VOTE NO!!!

Tell it how it is.

I vote yes Because...
1. Lowest school taxes in the area.
2. Successful in Athletics. Care about their student athletes.
3. High Academic Achievement
4. 500 kids from neighboring districts think it is a better choice for them and bring their state money here.
5. Lowest administrative pay in the area. (efficiency)
6. Offer some of the best educational offerings.
7. My daughter who is a Doctor now has pointed to several Teachers at Perkins who have made the most impact on their lives.
8. Even with passage taxes will be lower than all districts in the County besides Edison.
9. I don't want to see major dollars thrown at the Current high school when it needs to be replaced.
10. I don't want to be around 10 years from now hearing again about the facilities and when they will begin to address them.
11. The negative people on here are like me and hide behind some alias name and don't have the guts or know how to come to a board meeting and offer solutions to the long range problems. We can't even prove that they live in the district and are more likely a group of people in Sandusky trying their hand at Negative Publicity.
12. Our state government will not solve facility problems ever so why are we waiting.
13. KBL may be failing but it can't be due to school property taxes since they are 10 mils below the state average and none of their employees pay an income tax since it is outside of the city limits.
14. I believe in the programming that the district offers.
15. I want Perkins to outperform neighboring schools in all areas. My fear with a failure is that students will move to other districts and drop my property values and cause the district to lose all of that open enrollment money. This investment will only make it more attractive in the eyes of potential home buyers and other families.
16. Really only 20 dollars per month... I am sure that I can afford that. I am sure anybody can afford that.
17. Gunner may not live here but works much harder than the neighboring Superintendents and does not sleep around with other women. (insert Fred Fox Joke)

I am sure I am missing many more.

Not Yer Pa

#2 and #7 convinced me.

Wald

They care about their student-athletes? Try telling that to the junior basketball players who have dressed varsity until tonight's regional, when they were told sophomores would be taking their place and, oh yeah, the juniors shouldn't bother going out next year because they don't want them taking up uniforms as seniors. Yeah, they really care. Vote no!

Tell it how it is.

I feel bad about that. Part of the sport of Basketball. Part of life. I have sat the bench before. I was always proud that I could help my teammates in practice and be a part of something. If I were better I would start. Kind of a life lesson but at least there is little to lose here.

BGSUGRAD

That is a pretty flippant reply "I feel bad about that". Quite obvious from what Wald posted, if indeed it is true, the coaches do not care about their athletes, at least in this case. Why would you embarass kids that way? And these same folks are asking us to support them? Could be my kid this coach does that to next, sorry, not interested in supporting people like this.

Brainiac2007

WALD
I agree with you whole heartedly! They take care of and care about their student athletes that are part of the clique! If your a student that hasn't grown up here from day one, if the family isn't fairly wealthy, and you don't go sit around with their little cliques in the bars, or in the living rooms of some drinking it up then YOUR KIDS DONT MATTER! Its a crying shame it really is, which is why I hope Perkins is left with NO CHOICE but to drop sports, you can only mistreat others for so long before it will come back and bite you in the a$$! People that have money put their pants on the same way us "poor folk" do, they wipe their a$$e$ the same way, and probably work 10 times harder then most. Its pathetic our children don't get a better chance at life then those of us who have struggled because a school system holds them back! If this don't change though I will be a voice that gets heard, and it will be heard by news channels, news papers etc. because im at my wits end! I've put a crapload of money into this township even when I don't truly have it just like all others, but no more I refuse to pay people to show prejudice against my child!

Mrjsiah1

Why the hell would Sandusky people give a damn about perkins leivies? That is something perkins people do when it comes to sandusky.

observer

"16. Really only 20 dollars per month... I am sure that I can afford that. I am sure anybody can afford that."

Then you're living in a dream world. For some people that would mean, no medication that month, or no food, or a bill that doesn't get paid! Wake up, Mr./Mrs. doctor's parent!

Not Yer Pa

You're just saying that because you're a #11

goodtime1212

It may only be 20 a month in taxes, but all the fees the school applys to everything, its more like 100 a month, we have 2 kids in the school, the school is always asking for fees for something. Heck they have even offered extra credit points if the kids bring in boxes of tissue for the other students to use in class. huge no vote.

God Of Thunder

Imagine the extra credit students will get for going out and voting FOR the levy.. I know it's being done that way..

Tell it how it is.

You are always negative I read your posts. My fees were high as well. However my daughter had enough credits to start school as a Sophomore and trust me... those fees were much less than College Tuition.

Good 2 B Me

If I am going to spend $20 per month, I am gonna send it to Sarah McLachlan and her pathetic, feel guilty tv commercials!

Tell it how it is.

I am awake. I believe in paying it forward. I have nothing for my children to gain at this point. http://gosu02.tripod.com/id47.html
I will sacrifice for others. I want the next generation to have as good or better than I had it.

Perkins2060

#13. What is this KBL she speaks of?

Fromthe419

#3 A false statement, out of the 6 public schools in Erie county Perkins is ranked 4th out of 6th.
http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/...
For those that don't want to follow the link Huron, Edison, Vermilion, Perkins, Margaretta and lastly Sandusky.

Tell it how it is.

Then why doesn't everybody want to move to Huron or Edison???

(Fred Fox Takeover) And Edison can't pass a levy.
I would bet that is almost in the same order as the poverty level in those districts. And they all tax higher than Perkins.

reese

The sad thing is that Perkins is ranked 391 out of 610 school districts in the state. That puts Perkins in the 36th percentile compared to all the other districts in the state. Huron is ranked at 124. The percent of low-income families seems to be a factor, however Vermillion has a higher percentage of low-income families than Perkins. And there are lots of districts with higher percentages of low-income families that do very well and lots better than Perkins. Interesting information.

donutshopguy

$20 per month...or $2400 over 10 years or $4800 over 20 years . That's providing you only have a $100,000 home. The average home in Perkins is more than $175,000 so multiply those numbers by 1.75.

Who would like to pick up this cost for me ?

Perkins2060

I'm voting no.

Not Yer Pa

How anyone votes is their own business. That being said, if the owner of a $175,000 home can't afford an extra $35/month they have bigger problems than a school levy. Perhaps that owner should run for a school board position. Obviously their financial planning capabilities makes them a perfect fit for the job.

Tell it how it is.

The average home price is 135,000
I figured my cost would be 20 dollars per month but if your house is worth the average in Perkins at 135K your cost would be only 16 dollars per month. 12 dollars for every 100K.

WE ARE TALKING ONLY 12 DOLLARS FOR EVERY 100K of value. Pay it forward. Who picks it up is you. Think of it as an investment so the youth can have it as good as you did. I am sick of my fellow baby boomers that are so spoiled by the age we grew up in. It is time to do what our parents did and rebuild this country and support our schools.

God Of Thunder

I don't think anyone has thought about this, but I've talked to a reliable source from another school district..

Yes, artificial turfs are very nice and appealing.. But the life span on these turfs are 10-12 years, and at today's cost, it is 250-300 thousand for the cost of them.. Think of the cost to replace the turf in the Dallas Cowboys Stadium of Erie County in 10-12 years...

I'm sure Gunner and the board are already preparing for this.. Oh that's right, not their problem... I'm sure they weren't bright enough to think about that in the long term plans, outside of building the elaborate campus..

I'm with you Perkins2060!!!!

Truth or Fiction

@ Tell it how it is-
Nice job putting truth rather than emotion behind behind your post.

Perkins2060

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Truth or Fiction

How about a retired auto worker who served in the armed forces, raised a family, and knows the value of education. Is that a smart enough answer for you?

Tell it how it is.

Thank you for serving in the military. I also raised a family and worked in sales for 38 years. I value your opinions and I think your are smart. Please run for school board and share your knowledge with everybody.

donutshopguy

Where are the spin doctors ? We only have $20 / month as a shame enticement .

How about 66 cents per day or 2.7 cents per hour.

Now the important factor. Multiply any of these numbers by the rest of your life . No matter what anyone tells you these levies never go away.

You can't control what the federal and state government take from you at this time. You can control how you are taxed at the local level at this time .

Do not give up your right to vote on local tax burdens. If you vote "yes" on this levy you are accepting the school board taking away your right to vote on a $50 million dollar school. You will never get this right back if you give it up.

kris63063

Vote NO in May! Until Gunner is gone and the BOE is revamped I wouldn't give that group any more of my hard earned money. I'll agree that how they "moved" the money around was legal but was it ethical? NO! Havem't the people of Perkins township voted and said NO already to a new campus. Why can't Gunner and the BOE accept that decision and move on. Instead, they have chosen to neglect maintenance on the schools and they should be held accountable to the run down conditions. They supplied us with inspection results but again, it was not a true picture. We were lead to believe these issue were something current and come to find out, the issues that were found are something that "may" happen if not addressed within the next 3 years. If this were your home, would you not address maintenance issues and hope that in 3 years you get a raise or inherit some money to fix it? No, you would be proactive and keep up with things so they don't get worse. Who is doing this for Perkins? Obviously no one since Gunner and the BOE have decided to act like babies and if they can't get what they want, they'll backdoor it. Shame on them!

eriemom

Personally, I don't think that we should have the right to vote against education. It is a human right. It is an investment in our country's future. We all know that using property values to pay for schools does not work. Why do we keep fighting about it. Let's face it, we will either pay now, or pay later. Pay for education, or pay for incarceration. We need to get better at this--the educating and paying for it.

I often wonder what would happen if we hired the best teachers instead of coaches. Let's watch to see which coaches' jobs are saved and which teachers will not be in the classroom next year. Are the teachers that are left the most effective? Or are they being sheltered by a biased agenda. What will the cuts tell us about what our school system priorities are? Are we seeing the whole picture? What is going on behind the BOE curtain?

Something stinks. I wonder if I will see my children's favorite teachers next year. I think that I will call the office and make sure that they know just who needs to be in the classroom, and maybe even some that should not. I have never called the BOE office and complained about or praised any teacher, but it is now time. They need to hear from us.

Brainiac2007

Eriemom
You got it! They aren't worried about who's best suited to keep on staff! Education is absolutely a human right, but education consists of reading, math, and the courses important to being productive in the real world. Get rid of all the B.S. courses, which would eliminate about 1/3 of the cost of running the school, get rid of these "clubs" that take place, school needs to return to what it was before some idiot began instituting all this unnecessary Jazz!

donutshopguy

A human right ? Have you ever left this area let alone travelled to other countries ?

Our supposed poor have more wealth, food and health care than 95 percent of the world population. They are more interested in if they have food and water to survive the next day.

Americans have the access to a free public education to the 12th grade. What are you complaining about? Not a good enough education to meet your needs? Got about 3 billion people who will trade places with you and not complain once.

eriemom

You didn't implicitly state it, so I will ask. Do you believe that problems that we see in education are related to poverty?

I didn't write about poverty, but to answer your question, yes. I have an international education. You?

donutshopguy

Eriemom,

In a majority of the world poverty is a major factor in lack of education. In this country it's laziness.

Every citizen in this country is entitled to a free education from K-12. And depending on your poverty level free college. The quality of that education depends on the community you live in.

It's not a right . It is not listed in the bill of rights. It's a value we as Americans feel we need to provide. What a person does with that opportunity is up to them. It's not my responsibility to force then to use this American value.
Is your degree in international studies or were you educated overseas? I have had business oversees and travelled in all but one continent.

eriemom

In what way does education quality depend on community, or do you mean location?

donutshopguy

Eriemom,

It's based on the community's value of education where you live. When I was younger my wife and I decided on where we were going to raise and educate our children. We could have lived anywhere in this area. We chose Huron. A major factor was education. We believed in that school system that the philosophy was "where you were going to college" not "if you we're going to college."Its a big difference with that underlying thought for 12 years of school for your children.

eriemom

If you chose to live and educate your children in Huron, why are you posting opinions on a news article about a different community? I think that you have posted comments about conversations that you have had with the Perkins Sup. Am I mistaken?

donutshopguy

You are correct, I have posted on talking to the Perkins superintendent. I now live in the Perkins School district and try to be educated and informed.

Any other questions ?

Strong Schools ...

We need to stand up as a community and support our children. Who could look a child/student in the eyes and tell them they are not worth $20 a month. We will get what we pay for and I know I want responsible citizens running this community in the future. Vote yes for our students and make our community stronger so more people will want to live in Perkins Township!

Perkins2060

Vote no for strong schools!

donutshopguy

Strong school,

Should we stand up to bureaucrats that believe they have the right to take away the community's ability to decide if a new school is necessary ?

Should we stand up to bureaucrats that believe they can spend $50 million dollars with out the majority of the public voting agreement?

What are you willing to stand for ?

Strong Schools ...

Donutshopguy,

I have attended the board meetings and nothing has been kept a secret. What saddens me is that people are voting no to get back at Gunner and the board. They will still have a job if this levy passes or not and the only people that are going to suffer are the students...our future contributing community members. We have not passed a levy for new money for thirteen years and I could never imagine paying my bills on the salary I made thirteen years ago. Trust me I am not bringing in tons of money but I am willing to look at this situation long term and have a progressive frame of mind. Our schools are in horrible shape and I just want our children to be educated in a safe and healthy setting. I do respect your input but I feel people want a Cadillac eduction without paying for it. I will continue to support our schools and community and vote yes for this levy! You should visit the schools and see the shape they are in. I was shocked when I walked through the buildings and knew things had to instantly change. Money is difficult for people in our community but I don't think $20 is too much to ask for. Please just think long term. Vote for the children and leave politics out of the situation.

Perkins2060

VOT NO FOR STRONG SCHOOLS!

donutshopguy

Do you really believe the $20 dollar propaganda spin doctors?

Let try the truth. $40 per month X 12 months X 30 years equals. $14,400 dollars . That's what it's going to cost me. Remember levies don't go away. How long are you planning on living ?

donutshopguy

Do you really believe the $20 dollar propaganda spin doctors?

Let try the truth. $40 per month X 12 months X 30 years equals. $14,400 dollars . That's what it's going to cost me. Remember levies don't go away. How long are you planning on living ?

Do you believe this will be the last levy in your lifetime?

Not saying some of the levy is not appropriate . The building of a $50 million dollar school without a public vote is unamerican. I use to live in a country where the majority ruled and the bureaucrats worked for the people . It sad to say but our local officials don't believe in those ideals.

donutshopguy

Sorry for the double post

Strong Schools ...

Don't apologize for the double post...it happens. It will cost me a little more that $20 a month but I feel it is well spent money. I plan on living for a long time and I plan on investing in this community. It is very important to me to see our community gain its pride back. We do not have a community center in our Township so I feel it is important to invest in our schools and children We need something to attract people to our community besides restaurants. Things will get better when we can start collecting money from Kalahari and the Menards project. Trust me, I know levies do not go away but our state government needs to come up with a better solution to fund our schools so we do not have to go through these situations. It is unfortunate that we are put in these circumstances but it is important to me to invest in the youth. Again, I will continue to support our schools and vote yes!

Perkins2060

VOTE NO FOR STRONG SCHOOLS!

Strong Schools ...

Someone voted for me when I was in school because they thought I was worth a great education. I will continue to pay it forward.

Perkins2060

Vote NO!

donutshopguy

I'm interested in a strong community. But, I'm not willing to sacrifice my rights to vote on the taxes charged to me to make up that strong community . I believe in majority rule not bureaucratic rule.

I don't disagree that some of the funds requested are necessary . But , without the moving of funds from outside mileage to outside mileage so a school could be built without a community vote the mileage required would be about half. Unless Mr Gunner was lying to me during our meeting.

donutshopguy

Some of us have chosen to stand up for your rights to vote on issues that effect your community. If fact , Americans have given up their lives to give you that freedom. How much more do you wish us to pay it forward ?

Strong Schools ...

We were given a choice two years ago to build new schools. Our schools were so bad that the state was willing to pay a nice percentage of the cost so it would not burden us so much. The citizens voted no and that forced the board to come up with creative ways to help solve the building issues. I believe the board and Gunner knew people would be upset if they moved the inside millage (not mileage) but they wanted to face the problem head on. It would have been easy for them to ignore the problem like their past predecessors. They did not make this choice to be popular, they made it to make the situation right. Remember, my taxes will go up just like yours. I know this issue goes a lot deeper but it is important to stay focused on what we are truly trying to gain. It does not bother me if Gunner does not live in the township. He probably pays more taxes for his schools than we do, considering we have the lowest property tax rates in the area. Plus a lot of people commute to their jobs every single day across this country. I am very grateful for the men and women who have allowed me to have my rights. We have three active military members in our family. I would never tell them they were not worth a few extra dollars. Their safety is a top priority...and so is the student's safety. Please stay focused. Donutshopguy, I really appreciate your questions and I appreciate you for standing up for my rights in certain situations. Please stand up for our children.

donutshopguy

If the operating levy does not pass the school still gets built with or without it. Per my discussion with Mr Gunner.

So you have a brand new school which was built without public approval and no money to operate this bright shinny new monument to the BOE.

Return the operating levy to its correct level and put up a levy to fund the new school only. That's all the community wants.

A levy for operations only . A levy for building a new building and a chance to vote on both

Strong Schools ...

Good Morning,

I can totally see your side. I am concerned about one thing. What if the community still votes no on the levy? If the board moved everything back to its original state, would the community still vote for a new school? Some people (not all) voted against new schools and we were eligible to receive money form the state. It is so uncertain. We, as community members move our funds all of the time to pay our bills and update our homes. If there is not enough money in the checking account, then we transfer money from our savings account to cover the costs. Then we build our savings account back up by working and depositing the money. The board did what they felt was right for our children. When you walk through the buildings they look okay because the problems will get fixed for the short term. We need to look toward the future and think about the long term effect this decision could have on our children. I would be devastated if anything were to happen to my children. I want them to have an excellent education. But, it is also important to me for them to go to school in a facility that is up to code on security and safety. Trust me, I can see your side and understand your frustration but we need to stay focused on what this levy is all about and what it can do. Support our children!

donutshopguy

Good morning ,

It is the responsibility of the school board and administration to explain and sell their proposals. If the levies don't pass than they didn't do their job or the community doesn't believe it is necessary at this time .

The present path being pursued by the BOE circumvents the process of allowing the community to make their decision.

This slippery slope on a local level is down right scary. The Perkins township proceeded this action and now need a new levy. Now the school will try to do the same thing. Yikes

Open enrollment is the great equalizer . If you don't like how a school is run or funded then send your child to a neighboring school.

oldpirate

I trust that intelligent people who spend extensive time studying the situation know best. I will support the levy.

Strong Schools ...

I agree that they need to sell their proposals but I feel sometimes it falls on deaf ears. People are going to hear what they want to hear. I know the board has repeated themselves over and over again about this issue but it is hard to get the message out when there are only 10 people at the board meeting. And no offense, but I feel the Sandusky Register does not always have their facts straight and their headlines can be misleading. I will give you credit for actually going to Gunner and getting the facts. Most people rely on blogs such as this for their information and they are becoming more misinformed. I am so happy our school district has open enrollment. A great majority of the schools in our state have open enrollment because it does help the schools receive more funding. Open enrollment helps our schools a lot! Perkins does have some students who choose to go to other districts but we have a lot more students who chose to come and get educated here. Perkins Township went on the ballot in November but Perkins Schools stayed off of the ballot to allow the township to have a better chance of winning. The board knew they were going to go on in May and now it makes it a little harder because the Township is going back on the ballot as well. I know we have a lot of decisions to make as community members but we will not need to have paved roads if no one is coming to Perkins in the first place. If we invest in our education then more people will want to live here in the future. Many people buy their homes based on the schools. We need to keep the pride going and invest in our students. If you build, they will come! There are many districts around us that have built new schools and when you visit their communities there is such a sense of pride because the board did not provide that opportunity...the community provided the opportunity! Invest in our children and our schools and we will see the benefits.

Perkins2060

VOTE NO!

Strong Schools ...

Thanks, Old Pirate! The best thing we can do is to keep ourself educated and try to help others.

Strong Schools ...

Sorry...Keep ourselves educated not ourself. Please support our children and leave the politics out of the situation. Look at the big picture! Vote yes for our children and our community as a whole.

Strong Schools ...

Perkins 2060,

You are more than welcome to join our conversation. We have been having a great RESPECTFUL conversation and I would love to hear your views. I can see you are voting no but why? Donutshopguy and I have laid our thoughts on the table. What our your educated thoughts?

Perkins2060

Don't you worry about why I vote the way I do. Vote NO!

underthebridge

Strong Schools - You are misinformed that financial incentive to match local building funds for the first levy was provided by the state and that it had anything to do with the alleged bad shape of the buildings. Those matching funds were offered at the time by the federal gov't and had nothing to do with the shape of the buildings. It was part of a recession bailout to kick start local economies. I think that the failure of that levy had as much to do with people disagreeing with the funding structure as it had to do with voting against the extravagance of the building plan ($100 million dollars). To put it in perspective, Firelands Regional Medical Center spent $42 million on their facility upgrade a the local school district wanted more than twice that?

To their credit, for this time around Gunner and the BOE have done some things to secure state funds based on what the Ohio Facilities Commission deem the shape of the buildings

Also, you wrote a few posts back that people move funds all the time to cover expenses in their households. Yes, but there would be huge problems in a marriage if one person moved funds against the wishes of the other and then claimed that they didn't know why the other person was angry or mistrustful.

donutshopguy

Strong,

I will never be against education.

The BOE , the superintendent and I have a philosophical difference on how schools should be funded and who's job it is to make those decisions. I believe it is the taxpayers decision. The BOE and superintendent feel otherwise.

I believe in the basic American right to vote and majority rule. The BOE and superintendent want to circumvent that basic right.

I won't give up this right without a fight . What is your stand in regards to this situation?

Strong Schools ...

Underthebridge,

The Ohio Schools Facility Commission goes to schools all over the state and rates their structures based on safety and the overall structure itself. The OSFC rated our schools to be in bad shape and that is why we were eligible to receive some state funding to make our schools more safe. This has been a practice for many years and that is why some areas around us have rebuilt their structures. Every community is going to have "no" voters, This is not uncommon at all. I am not disagreeing with you completely on the funds being moved. I do trust our board is making educated decisions that will better our schools and community. Majority of the voters did vote them into their positions. But it was not kept a secret. The board discussed this option for a long time. It is just sad that there were not more people in attendance at the board meetings to hear their conversations. This was not kept a secret and I wish the Sandusky Register would also help the community become better informed and check their facts before they print them in the paper.

Donutshopguy,

You should never give up your right to vote and stand for what you believe in. I am doing the same thing right now. You and I have different beliefs and viewpoints and that is okay. I too, will stand up and use my right as a voting, contributing citizen of this community. I just hope there are more "yes" votes out there to support the long term....future.

donutshopguy

Strong ,

With the current direction of the BOE and superintendent you have abdicated your right to vote on the building of a $50 million dollar school. Do you understand? Once you give them this power you will never get it back. Again, do you really understand ?

Strong Schools ...

I do understand. But I also understand that children's health and safety is more important. I can't put a price on any child's life. They are simply priceless and I hope when we get this levy passed we will not have to look at this situation for a very long time. I will not even be around when we will need new schools again. I have completed some research and the studies have shown that it is almost always cheaper to rebuild than to remodel. I know this is scary for a lot of people and I know a lot of people will think about the children They are the ones who will be affected the most. I am so glad we have had these conversations. I feel we would get more accomplished if other people would listen to one another and not close the doors to information so quickly.

Perkins2060

VOTE NO FOR STRONG SCHOOLS!

Wald

The second Gunner stole the money from the operating expenses and moved it into the permanent improvement fund to build his brand new stadium and school without voter approval was the second I decided to vote no. I've talked to a lot of people in Perkins, including parents of children in the school, and I haven't heard of anyone that's going to vote yes on these levies except for a few people on this blog. The emergency levy will fail, and rightly so, and I doubt the renewal is going to pass either. When the levies fail, Gunner and the board will have no one to blame but themselves.

Perkins2060

Vote NO on BOTH levies!

Strong Schools ...

Hi Wald,

The Athletic Boosters did approach the board about raising money for the stadium. Both parties gave money. The track could not be used for track meets because it was very torn up and our stands were condemned. People were getting hurt sitting in the stands. Thankfully, the problem was taken care of and now we have a beautiful stadium that a lot of people are proud of. I am sure there were some "no" voters who were impressed with the facility and enjoyed a game or two. The stadium is said and done and I am going to choose to look towards the future. But please know there is no such thing as "stolen money" and it was a partnership between the board and the athletic boosters. It is great to have people come from all parts of the state and be envious of our facilities. It makes a lot of people in our community feel proud of our multi-fuctional stadium. I have heard many positive people for the levy and I hope we can get more to express their support. The renewal will not cost us to pay any new monies so I don't understand why that should fail at all. Keep the children first and vote yes!

Perkins2060

The taxpayers paid for half of the stadium upgrade when we were told no taxpayer money was being used. Nothing but lies and mistrust. Vote NO!

Wald

You said "it was a partnership between the board and the athletic boosters", which is exactly right. The only problem is that the taxpayers should have a say in how their money is spent. Taxpayers voted to have their money spent for one thing, but it was taken and spent on something else. I'd call that stolen, but you can put whatever spin on it that you want to. Since I don't trust Gunner to spend my money on what I vote to have it spent on, I and most others will be voting NO to both school levies, although I will be voting yes to the police levy.

Strong Schools ...

I shall vote for police as well! We have not given any new monies for thirteen years. That is a long time to be kept off the ballot. It is not unreasonable for them to ask for new money since it has been so long. Wald, What would you like to have your money spent on? I can understand if you don't want to share but I am just curious. Plus, we voted the board members into office. We gave them the responsibility to make sure our students are receiving a quality education. A quality education also includes facilities and technology that will support the 21st century learner. Remember, it is the children who are losing. Gunner and the board will report to work whether or not this levy fails. The children will be the ones suffering and I am going to support them and their needs. Think long term and support our schools!

Perkins2060

Quick, call Harvard and tell them they need all new buildings that will "support the 21st century learner"!

RMyer

I didn't "call Harvard", but I did search online and found the following headlines/information:
1) "Harvard to Build, Renovate 11 Sites in Boston Expansion" (Bloomberg, Oct. 12, 2012)
2) "Health and Life Sciences Center slated for groundbreaking in 2014" (Harvard Mag. 2012)
3) "Following Harvard University’s creation of the Stem Cell and Regenerative Biology Department, a new home was sought. Ultimately, the rebirth of the Sherman Fairchild Biochemistry Building was chosen as their new home. The Sherman Fairchild Biochemistry Building was a groundbreaking building at its completion in 1981 as one of the first buildings for biochemistry in the world, but it was in desperate need of renovation. In the spirit of the original building’s innovation, the renovation was to reestablish the laboratory of the future for Harvard in terms of its design and sustainability." (Payette reporting of R & D Magazine story, 2013).

This was just a sampling.

As for 21st Century learners, what do businesses really want in employees (information taken from this article: http://www.quintcareers.com/job_...)?

1) Communications Skills (listening, verbal, written).
2) Analytical/Research Skills
3) Computer/Technical Literacy
4) Flexibility/Adaptability/Managing Multiple Priorities
5) Interpersonal Abilities
6) Leadership/Management Skills
7) Multicultural Sensitivity/Awareness
8) Planning/Organizing
9) Problem-Solving/Reasoning/Creativity
10) Teamwork

Wald

I'd like my money spent on quality programs and quality teachers, not $50 million school buildings that I didn't vote to have built. There is no trust, so vote NO!

Perkins2060

The BS from these yes voters is unbelievable.

donutshopguy

Strong ,

Why are you looking so short term rather than long term?

I am looking out for my children and grandchildren. Why so short sighted ?

donutshopguy

Wald,

Since I was involved in the beginning of the funding process for the new stadium I would not call it a partnership. The BOE wished us well but no financial consideration was offered. Later, as the project proved to be successful, the BOE and administration jumped on board. Just wanted to clarify.

observer

The Perkins schools are in better shape than most of the other schools in the area! Strong Schools, if I hear the phrase "suffering students" one more time, I think I might throw up!!!

I've seen NO "suffering students"!

Go check out Margaretta/Huron/Sandusky/Edison/Clyde, etc. I've seen them all because I'm a big high school sports fan, and I am in the area school buildings on a regular basis. Perkins is just as "in shape" as any of them. I've put a few children through college, and most college campuses have buildings MUCH OLDER than Perkins high school, and they're managing just fine. Please STOP with the "suffering students" comments, you're looking ridiculous.

Perkins2060

Extremely ridiculous!

Strong Schools ...

I never said the students were "suffering". I will continue to support our children and I feel they deserve the best. Also, if you are going to be rude and attack me than I will not correspond with you. You have your opinions as do I and I feel I have been very respectful to all I have communicated with. All of my comments have stated that we need to look long term and think about the future. We can not keep patching the problems because they are only going to get worse. We have to think long term...please read the past posts. Also, I have been to some local college campuses recently and they are under construction and rebuilding their future. Also, Port Clinton, Bellevue, and Clyde have all updated their buildings...just to name a FEW. I don't feel I look ridiculous at all just because I will stand up for what I believe in. The only people who look ridiculous are the ones who cannot have a civil conversation and respect others. Again, I will not correspond with anyone who will not show me the same respect I have shown them. I will not go to that level.

Perkins2060

Good! Vote NO!

themomx6

[quote]Strong Schools said:
I never said the students were "suffering".[/quote]

[quote]Strong Schools said:
............. The children will be the ones suffering and I am going to support them and their needs. [/quote]

Yes, you did. ^^^^^^ Right there.

Lil DAB

You can also support the children by voting responsibly and not putting your neighbors and future property owners in a bind or committing them to an administration that is not forthcoming and honest about their spending!

Everyone that owns property is supporting the children in the schools. Look at the breakdown of your property taxes and how much is going to the schools. As far as other school districts updating their buildings (remodeling or new) the administration chose real estate over supporting the children. Guess where the money to pay for construction costs came from? Costs were cut on Books, fuel for busses, work books etc....Maintenance costs, however, went up. Utilities cost went up.

SO, I will choose to VOTE NO and keep the extra $150-$300 a year in my household. My electric bill went up too. SO did my gas, medical insurance, SS tax.

Strong Schools ...

Support the students!!! Vote yes!

Perkins2060

Support the students!!! VOTE NO!

RMyer

I would like to see the independent analysis of the buildings in the other districts to compare those facility ratings with the high school. I know the report posted on the Perkins District site has the high school rated 92/100 with 100 being the worst possible score. This after three different building inspections by those whose job it is to inspect school facilities. As a caveat, in 1999 one federal agency rated Ohio public school facilities the worst in the nation.

It doesn't matter who is leading the district or who is on the board, the problem exists and will continue to exist until dealt with through either renovation or new construction. The cost to address will continue to increase as the economy improves, cost of construction will rise; bond interest rates will rise at some point.

I also think you will find that many colleges have reinvested large sums of money into existing buildings when it made economic sense or new construction if the cost of renovation was prohibitive versus building new.

Wald

Says the Perkins teacher.

RMyer

The way you posted this comment suggests that because I am a teacher my opinion or thoughts are to be diminished or belittled. I have been to most board meetings over the past few years and ask questions of administrators and board members when I need clarification; I have also reviewed detailed financial information from the district, spoken with the county auditor's office as needed, spoken with folks in other districts about their funding issues, and written letters and emails to elected officials in the past. I think that I have formed my opinion based on a review of the facts and available information as well as my former business background. I also have made no secret of my profession or identity when posting on here. I would hope that others would do the same so that a respectful discussion can take place.

Wald

I'm sure your decision to vote yes has nothing to do with the fact that your livlihood is directly tied to the levy passing, right? No bias whatsoever, right?

RMyer

Based on what I have read with many of these postings, I it seems there a lot of biases at work. Here's the difference-I am willing to allow others to know that I am a teacher (which I will not apologize for or hide from others; I think in any debate it is important to hear from all perspectives). I do, however, attempt to provide rational, considered responses. It is disconcerting to see incorrect information posted. So, if I feel that to be the case, I will respond as I have time. I will also try to provide logical discussion points; you don't have to agree, and readers can judge whether I have provided discussion points that are skewed due to what you believe to be a "bias" on my part. What is not available to me or other readers about many of the postings are the biases that posters have who remain anonymous. So, if one is going to infer that my postings should be considered less relevant than others due to a possible bias on my part, I think it fair that I and other readers have the same opportunity to be aware of the biases influencing the comments of others.

Wald

Of course everyone has their opinions and biases. Just don't expect people to buy what you're selling when you directly benefit from a passed levy. I decided to vote no the second Gunner stole the operating funds and moved them to the permanent improvement funds. There really is no debate here...you can post your studies as much as you want to, it isn't going to change how I vote. I guess we'll see in May what the people decide is best.

Perkins2060

Says the teacher.

Perkins2060

VOTE NO!

Strong Schools ...

I like your thoughts RMyer and I do agree the problem exists no matter who in on the board or leading the district.

Free Man

maybe nasa plumbrook can help ? like by paying taxes??

underthebridge

We'll see if the Super and the BOE matter, because I think their actions in moving the funds will cause this levy to fail by an even wider margin.

Perkins2060

Vote NO on the renewal levy too!

donutshopguy

Under,

The BOE and superintendent don't care if they fail with the levy. They will keep putting it on the ballot .

The BOE and superintendent have maneuvered funding away from public vote. They now can build their $50 million dollar school without public vote .

There will be a new school built without money to support the building or the teachers or to run the school system.

Does that sound like sound financial judgment ?

Sounds like a replay of the township . A new township hall with no money to support the responsibility of the township.

Oh, I forgot . It will be someone else's fault .

donutshopguy

RMyer,

I also would like an independent evaluation of the school buildings . Not a rehash from a Good Old Boy state organization that's only job is to promote the building of new schools in Ohio. It's that darn trust factor again.

futurechange

I am glad there is discussion going on about the levy that is constructive dialogue. I am enjoying reading these discussions. I think that it is important for us to discuss a topic that is so very important for our community...but stay constructive in our conversations to help us truly understand that facts, not the theories or "hearsay" that seems to drive public opinion. Strong, you make some very good points. Especially about thinking how our schools directly relate to the strength of our community. Our kids do need to be the focus and placed at the center of all this. I also know that the 21st century is providing a much different world with different challenges we must face. Perkins schools has done a great job, I think, in providing technology and programs that will serve our kids well as they prepare for that 21st century world. However, I've walked through a few of the schools and they are old and in need of much repair. These new buildings are needed to support the future for our kids and community. I know I was always taught to support your fire department, support your police department, and support your schools. I plan to continue doing just that! The schools has my vote.

Perkins2060

VOTE NO!

donutshopguy

Future,

Are you forgetting other community members that will be effected by this additional tax burden?

The elderly and the less fortunate just getting by with their present financial situation. Choices will have to made in regards to paying this additional tax or making a house payment, purchasing needed medicine or the quality of food purchased .

Who do you want to throw under the "school" bus to make sure the kids are not lacking any possible educational program?

Life is a give and take. If you want to give to someone you have to take from someone.

Be careful with your choices.

Lil DAB

UH OH. SOMEBODY MIGHT BE GETTING A PAY DECREASE...
http://www.dispatch.com/content/...

Strong Schools ...

I know this is going to be hard for different people regarding their financial situations. My mother and father have their grandchildren in mind. I think we can all agree that we always want better for our children than what we had ourselves. It is up to the voter to decide what they can afford. Our community will thrive more if we invest in our children and schools. We moved here because we were proud of the education system and we wanted our family to be apart of a great tradition. Perkins provides a great education for our youth. Think of this...If we want things to stay the same, then things have to change. If we want our children to continue to receive a great education then we need to enhance our technology and build buildings that can support all of the technological changes and hands on learning. The 21st century learner learns in a much different way than we did. We need to support their needs and get them ready for the real world. Perkins 2060, I am interested in your educated thoughts. I know that you say "no" a lot but you're not saying anything to make me think otherwise or sway my vote. What are your RESPECTFUL thoughts. Just curious and want to know.

Perkins2060

How's this? Vote NO!

donutshopguy

Strong ,

You have provided no concrete information that a new school building will improve the test scored or education "of the children ".

You have provided your opinion, that's it .

The superintendent could not provide me any thing but an opinion.

Should the community spend $50 million dollars of an opinion?

If the BOE and superintendent can't sell it to the community maybe it's not necessary or we have the wrong people in charge.

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