Job losses at KBI generate fear for plant's future

Employees of Kyklos Bearing International — the former New Departure/Delphi bearing factory — are afraid for the future of the plant.
Melissa Topey
Mar 13, 2013

 

Karen Balconi Ghezzi, director of the Erie County Job and Family Services, said KBI laid off 36 employees since late last month.  

"They say the layoffs are indefinite and are the result of a reduction of the workload," Ghezzi said.

Get the ePaper on Thursday or buy a copy of the Register at a newsstand near you to learn more about the anxiety workers have concerning the plant's future.

A seven-year employee of KBI said he was one of the layoffs and he anticipates more are coming.

It is possible anyone hired from 2006 or after, about 120 people, will soon be out of a job, he said.

“Since 2008 we have lost 175 production jobs and 10 skilled trade jobs, all in four years,” another employee said. “Growing up I used to hear people say if the New Departure plant closed we (the community) were done. I am afraid that time may be here.”

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queenjhb

Sad, sad news. The union is working as hard as possible, where are the Erie County officers ? They should show support for this union.

Phil Packer

Maybe if skilled trades had taken a pay cut earlier, or, if they weren't competing against Chinese bearing manufacturers...

Phil Packer

EPA regulations make them non-competitive also.

booboogaloo

You do realize that skilled trades keeps those machines running don't you? I don't get why people want to blame the skilled trades for making the money they do, most have had schooling or done an apprenticeship to make the money they do, just like doctors work on people, skilled trades work on machines. I sure don't want any Joe Blow off the street diagnosing me.

goofus

With Obamacare we might need the millwrights medical diagnostic service!!!

bluesmoke

The last time I checked, mainly the machine setup guys keep the machines running, skilled trades works with them to assist in certain repairs. And most of the times, those arent done right. So if you like your doctor not doing your surgery right, by all means. Please have a skilled trades guy sit and play some more cards.

The Big Dog's back

Jealous?

Put America 1st

Phil Pack it harder you can always go back to school and get your journeyman's card instead of making worker vs worker issue.

Phil Packer

And get a job where? China?

8ballinthesidepocket

Why would they support the root cause of the problem??

IT'S ME

How can this be, Obama keeps saying how things are improving?? The union can't do anything, just ask the people that worked for Hostess.

IT'S ME

There's only so much money the unions can suck out of these company's before they lock the doors. You'd think they would have got a clue by now.

SamAdams

Actually, in the case of Hostess, the union (the Bakers Union) DID do something: It refused to accept anything less than it was demanding and, as a result, drove the company into bankruptcy. Here's hoping the new owners don't hire any of THOSE greedy idiots to make the Twinkies that are supposed to be back on store shelves soon.

As for things improving according to Obama, I'm going to assume you were being sarcastic when you wrote that part, too...

The Big Dog's back

Once again sam you don't have a clue about what you are talking about.

coasterfan

Not Obama's fault. Unemployment is down for the country as a whole, and continues to drop. Meanwhile, it isn't dropping in Ohio. That would seem to indicate that the problem might be Kasich, but that would be an equally stupid comment...

Now The Rest of...

Ohio's unemployment 7%, national 7.9% under the messiah, sorry facts again got you.

goofus

Do you have a source for your statistics or are you quoting coasterfan media.com ??

Perkins2060

Sad indeed.

reader

I'm not sure this company ever recovered from the skills drained when they encouraged their long term employees to retire in 2006.

queenjhb

Its me, are you saying that non union plants dont layoff and close down? Its hard to feel for the[poor company] KBI, as the workers will not be paying taxes in our area. Its me, please open your heart, these are fellow citizens losing an income. Dont be so heartless.

reader

Yeah, the wage and benefit package has been greatly reduced for the employees at KBI.

Any job losses at any employer hurt the entire area.

Truth or Fiction

It was my understanding that when KBI purchased New Departure from Delphi they doubled their employment going from 900 employees worldwide to 1,800. General Motors sweatened the deal by providing guaranteed invoices for purchases over a number of years while also subsidizing hourly workers pay at the plant. Those guarantees and subsidies are now coming to an end requiring that KBI be competitive in a global commodity market. With limited capital, lack of a labor agreement, and increasing costs, it may be a case of the guppy swallowing the whale. I hope I am wrong and it is my sincere wish that no one loses their job.

8ballinthesidepocket

It's a damn shame what has happened to our city! Look back just 30 years and compare it to today. Several foundries gone. Paper mills gone. Wax paper plant gone! Corrugated box plant gone! Ford plant downsized and on life support. Same for New Dept, Crysler, and Union Chain. Packing plants gone or downsized. It is sad commentary and the blame should be placed on our politicians in Washington! Yet we keep sending the same old same old back for another term. What?

Pete

Kaptur has been the Rep for this area going on 30 years. Coincidence? Not likely.

Talkings hit

Joe the Plumber would have saved KBI

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Professor Playdoh

The plant is going to die because of bone headed decisions made many years ago. In an attempt to save money they eliminated coolant in the lathes. Same labor costs at other plants can machine spindles and hubs in 1/2 the time. Same machines, same forgings, same tooling. It's that simple folks.. It ain't the unions.. Technology is, or was the answer...

BEHAPPY

What wage is the "proper" wage for you people? You always have something negative to say about unions. What should we all live on~ less than minimum wage? Did you? I bet not!

Perkins2060

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Put America 1st

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swiss cheese kat

Like everything else in life,the day of the union is done. The unions take a hit when the economy is bad. I guess most of you will blame Bush, but unions were flourishing under Bush.

Union people in this country have been fooled into the idea that we can ship jobs overseas and still remain vital. Its not to late to join the Occupy movement.

Ehovemom

If you think unions flourished under either Bush or Reagan - you are not a union family. We lost benefits under both Bush reigns.

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Wages and buying power has dropped along with private union membership under your messiah, the facts once again disagrees with the liberal agenda.

Put America 1st

I can always count on the Sandusky Register comment board to bring out the uneducated and uninformed.

"The unions take a hit when the economy is bad." REALLY??? lol I am going to out on a limb and say majority sectors of business are effected by the economy.

"I guess most of you will blame Bush, but unions were flourishing under Bush." His name was Bill Clinton when this country flourish - technology and manufacturing GREW

"Union people in this country have been fooled into the idea that we can ship jobs overseas and still remain vital." lol I am sure union people know that individuals like YOU put individuals like Sen. Portman, Bob Latta or a Jim Jordan that VOTE to ship our jobs oversea.

Way to join the terrorist movement.

Fromthe419

Who signed NAFTA and pushed the WTO? William Jefferson Clinton. Who signed the Modernization Bank Act that repealed Glass-Stigall that lead to the financial crisis in 2007-2008? William Jefferson Clinton. We are a nation in decline now. In 1978 the US was the largest creditor nation in the world because we had a trade surplus, now we are the world''s largest debtor nation in history, why? A massive trade deficit. We consume everything and produce next to nothing. Until manufacturing jobs come back and we have a trade surplus we will have cycles of booms and bursts.

Perkins2060

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Lissa4u

I agree. It's been all down hill since Bill Clinton signed NAFTA and all the good paying jobs went overseas. The economy has been struggling ever since.

shucks

Right,

Bill Clinton made Big Business send good paying jobs overseas.

Fromthe419

No, he did not make send them overseas, but he ALLOWED them to. NAFTA was the biggest screw job to the American worker ever. The fact is, he signed NAFTA and the Modernization Bank Act that nuked our economy in 2007-2008...no one can dispute that.

shucks

You mean he shouldn't have allowed them?
Isn't that called Communism?

Golly, who could be quilty?
Could it be Big Business?

Nah!

It's ALL the Democrat's fault.

goofus

How soon we forget about the dot com bubble burst under Clinton's watch

Wald

But, hey, vote yes for the Perkins school levy. For the kids, gosh darn it!

Perkins2060

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Mr. D

@pete. . . Kaptur has not been our Rep for anywhere near 30 yrs. Only since 2001 when the repubs did their redistricting magic!

Mr. D

@sam. . . Hostess filed bankruptcy twice before the bakers contract. The Ceo and around 15 other corporate raiders themselves raises and bonuses knowing the end was comming. Its OK if you don't like unions, but tell the true story. Management killed Hostess!

Randy_Marsh

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paul... Still the democrats fault,"Could the fact that Hostess’s private-equity partner, Ripplewood Holdings, is owned by one Timothy C. Collins, a major Democrat donor and pro-labor advocate" Spin away!

coasterfan

Correct.

Mr. D

Sorry, double posted

devilsadvocate

Don't worry - there are new jobs out there thanks to our government. Let's see, I just got a new job and you know what they told me? We aren't going to make any new people work over three days because then we fall under Obamacare rules. So much for them saying they were going to hire full time people.

Truth or Fiction

This is not a union-nonunion issue. Labor costs while a part of the equation are not the whole equation for KBI. There may be a need for some restructuring of pay and benefits but I am not a proponent of $10 per hour wages. Most of the workers, and I mean a great majority of them want to do the right thing and put in a full days work for a fair wage. The real issue for KBI is bringing a quality, competitively priced product to the market that GM, Ford, Chrysler, and even Honda want as a first choice supplier. To reach this goal, KBI must provide a quality product on-time, every time. Quality, logistics, and price will win or lose the day for KBI.

Put America 1st

"The real issue for KBI is bringing a quality, competitively priced product to the market that GM, Ford, Chrysler, and even Honda want as a first choice supplier" - Problem is not quality but price. As you mention, $10 an hour is not a livable wage however competitors in Right to Work states are paying their employees less to make bearings.

goofus

Do you have a source for your RTW state wages? Liberals speak but offer no source!!!!

totallyamazed

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I was told by management that companies, as with humans, are born - they live - and they die. I was given that prophetic message nearly one year to the month before the plant I was working at closed for good.

Writings on the wall are often hard to read but they're always there

...too sad for Sandusky if the trend continues.
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Mr. D

Businesses die, but are mostly killed unmercifully by greed of management. Keep on believin what they tell you.

goofus

Isn't KBI sort of related to Obozo's Government Motors???

OMG.LOL.WT_

It amazes me that some people think that CEOs deserve billions and union workers are greedy.

8ballinthesidepocket

I would like to hear you make that comment if you got a chance for that job and money. You wouldn't last five minutes in a job like that. Next you'll say that Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Jack Welch, Lee Iaccocoa and the thousands of other innovative CEOs that come up with the products for you to produce were just lucky. Where do you think these products and companies come from? What value have you ever created? Get real if it wasn't for people like this we would have nothing.

lifetimeresident

China! Period!
We wanted everything for a fraction of what the good ol USA sold it for, now we got it. Now we suffer.

Phil Packer

And it's ALL crap. That's not to say that USA made stuff was always the best, but now there isn't even a choice. EVERYTHING is made in China, and it is ALL crap, and covered with toxic smells. We're in big trouble...

ronjeremysdonkeydc

Lifetime is right. Remember a few years back when they had an article in the SR? The article talked about how KBI was in court to force GM to abide by their contract with KBI to continue producing bearings and wheelhubs for them. GM was trying to get out of the contract so that they could by these from a Chinese supplier. Well that contract is up. Maybe they can cry to the UAW since they own a stake in GM. Naw, that won't happen, because the UAW leadership gets to fill their pockets full of money whenever they outsource more to China. What is the UAW doing for you?

doctorsRdrugdealers

Here's one for you working people. Go to work tomarrow and tell your employer u want them to take 40percent of your wage. then tell me how you feel after you bought a house,car, and ect....what would you do? You can start by saving your ignorant comments thank you!

luvblues2

You just made it very easy to figure which corner/side of RT 4 and Perkins Avenue you "used" to park in for the days work.

Kimo

Dig down and see who really owns KBI, not who fronts for them, but the real owners.

8ballinthesidepocket

I give up, who owns KBI???

swiss cheese kat

Wall street.

EZOB

lifetimeresident,
My father retired from New Departure. I remember him telling about the first guy to drive a foreign car (Volkswagon) to work. Some guys picked it up and turned it side ways in the parking space. We are all to blame. We buy all the foreign junk and yell when plants close. Your two main purches in your life are a house and probably a new car. So the second most valuable purchase most make are cars and more and more are Foreign. Now don't mention Honda because it is Japanese and the profits go over seas.

lifetimeresident

To bad we cant get your father and his friends to go to all the schools. They would break their backs.

Put America 1st

Now that is an intelligent well thought out opinion. Glad to see you went back and receive your GED with honors.

pavedparadise

Lifetime is correct. The teachers union wants community support in protecting their contracts, yet many many teachers drive foreign cars with foreign headlights, tail-lights and wheel bearings

bucknut36

I served 23 years in the United States Air Force and spent 10 years as a member of the United Auto Workers. I am just as proud of my affiliation with the UAW as I am of my military time. Most of the UAW members I knew were decent hard working people just trying to provide for their families. GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE AT KBI!!!!

KURTje

What some of the others said -PLUS - complain more as services for the populace might diminish. Wonder why?

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Professor Playdoh

kBI isn't getting beat by China or Japan and cheap labor. they're get beat by companys like American Axle and Colfer, UAW companys that have used technolgy to produce products at much lower costs. I saw above a comment about Honda and how the profits go back overseas. Your wrong... They re-invest in their plants to stay competitive first. It's called "World Class Manufacturing. KBI can't spell Lean or 6 Sigma. Do you know what it's called when you continue to do things the same way and expect different results?

looking around

Playdoh American Axle has all but closed and knocked down their plants in the US and have taken their manufacturing off shore. Only their company headquarters in Detroit remain.

ronjeremysdonkeydc

You are wrong. The lines that are shutting down at KBI are the ones GM has outsourced to China.

Put America 1st

Japan's automakers have increase production in the US due to existing currency (yen) problem with that said Japan's automakers are making a larger investment in America. 70% of US made vehicle's are sold in America. However their headquarters and operations are still base in Japan where profit outside of investment is return. Every factory has an allocation cost that gets trim off the top of profits and return to Honda, Nissan and Toyota.

KBI makes an outstanding bearing that has had no serious issues in GM-Delphi nor KBI's history. KBI warranty's second to none, they have the world's largest testing lab and a number of quality train individuals working their. With that said, NO American manufacturing company can compete with China, India and etc vs labor production. And now we are starting to see plutocracy society before our eyes with "right to work" states. KBI lost work to South Carolina and Georgia I believe cause those individuals work for $8-$9 an hour. The biggest thing KBI has going for them is top notch quality.

goofus

I believe pigs can fly and Dennis Kucinich believes in UFO's but that don't make anything true. Use the internet and research the RTW wages and the compare them to the cost of living in their respective states, sources should be cited and not subject to speculation!

Talkings hit

Ain't nobody got time for that.

Put America 1st

Facts are Goofus that RTW states make $5k less per year, less benefits and erosion of worker's rights.

goofus

Where is that written,is the cost of living factored in your figures. I'm talking housing cost and grocery cost and the like. Fact? Let's see it in print from a reputible source!!! Facts from the unknowledgable are like opinions!!!!!

goofus

Facts are Put America 1st that liberals are lazy and beat their wives and children. They have a diminished sense of self worth and have lower than average IQ's. My statistics come from your source of RTW wages, the imagination!!

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SmokingGunn

Before KBI, there was Delphi and numerous other trade names for that plant including New Departure Hyatt. Products from those trade names were of the highest in quality until some brainer (salary side) from above said they made too good of a product, meaning, the service bearing industry pay higher than an OEM. So they opened the parameters up and allowing the bearing to fail earlier than it should, creating a market for service bearings and higher profits. Mostly all manufacturers do that now days. The design is to at least not fail until the warranty ends, then fail, creating a need for replacement parts. Try to buy a bearing at $30.00 anywhere other than in a factory..same applies to computers, dishwashers etc. KBI know quality, because the employees are the best there is at making a bearing, its up to the company to promote it and assure the equipment is able to operate at a high quality standard. New technology doesnt necessarily mean its a right fit for the job. That plant has used dinosaurs and maintain the best quality bearing in the world..as for Lean, they been there for years, just never practiced it as it should be, which includes Lean on the salary side too.

Perkins2060

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Talkings hit

It's the quarry.

Perkins2060

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Perkins2060

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bobshumway92

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Put America 1st

First thing you should in the morning Perkins is take a shower and use hydrogen peroxide as a mouthwash and problem would be solve.

Perkins2060

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bobshumway92

I'm interested in learning more about this odor.

Talkings hit

It's a phenomenon only witnesses by those who's heads aren't planted in their rectums, which is rare in this area.

SmokingGunn

2006 the union had secured work up to 2014/2015, it was the job of the following committees to secure the future there after.
Unions will continue to be needed under certain circumstances, however they have to part with their sacred pigs. They hold far too many skilled trades and indirect labor to be worldwide competitive. The company has far too many salaried employees as well. They both have to sit at the table and agree to equal of sacrifices if they want to continue to operate. Members of the union have to bite the bullet and accept lower wages and do more with less as so does the company. It will be a blood bath for both sides, but at least there will be a future for those who survive and those who are willing to make change.
As for NAFTA..Bush Sr introduced it, Clinton signed it, GW wasnt smart enough to pull out of the agreement and here we are..Obama lied to the people about how he was going to make change and tax corporations that moved product overseas and sell them back to the USA.

ronjeremysdonkeydc

You'll never get a politician to tax corporations who move jobs overseas. All of them, regardless of party affiliation are in bed with these corporations. Why do you think a politician can enter congress a pauper and come out a multimillionaire?

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Professor Playdoh

hey there Looking Around.. Take a look at AAM http://www.colfor.com/ Gee I think it's part of American Axle and are currently expanding the plant. It's in Minerva, Ohio.. it's a UAW plant. They produce..Spindles and Hubs!!!!! you won't find a 40 year old machine on their floor.

looking around

They started with five plants that the obtained in a deal with GM expanding in Buffalo NY with a brand new machining plant in Ceektowaga a Buffalo suburb. All in Buffalo inclusive of the newest facility as well a plant in Detroit have closed. Two plants were knocked down and no longer exist. As for colfor don't think for a moment that just because they made some investments they won't close that either. Things are not soo rosey there either. The forge in Tonowanda NY moved their newest machinery to colfor before closing.

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Professor Playdoh

You have to admit that AAM, at least at Colfor, is competing " in a world market" and doing a good job. I will admit that if China ever gets their quality issues under control, we'll all be asking if you want fries with that order. My point in this discussion is ...There are many more factors than blame the Union workers. if you can produce maybe 50% more, wages mean a lot less.

EZOB

This is really going very, very, deep and most of you will think I'm completely off My rocker but NAFTA originated under Maximillan in the 1860's. After Santa Anna had been defeated we had somewhat good realations with Mexico and were even able to negotiate the Gadsden Purchase in the 1850's.
If congress and the senate, present and retired, had their wages and benefits cut just like the average people, you can bet they would run this country much differently.

Gardenman

When these things happen immediately folks want to blame the union and of course those workers who have such high salaries. Maybe things some feel would be better if we all got paid 50 cents an hour for working at places like KBI and everything would be fine. If business dropped still they would want you KBI workers to take a cut to what 40 cents an hour.

You know maybe this is management in running the plant, or sales and marketing pushing the product and a host of other things. NO its right away always those workers who get paid too much in the plant, Yea be skilled, spend a lot of money to learn your skill but heaven for bid don't ask me to pay you a fair wage for your skill.

Then they attack the government workers....plaw my streets, fill the holes in my street, lay your life on the line to protect my family, risk your life when I have a fire but for heaven sake don't ask me to pay you a fair wage for what you do. Yep that these complainers in the flesh.

I seriously would like to know where these complainers work........some non union, sweat shop I guess given their remarks all the time about high wages of others.

Mr. D

@kimo. . . We are waiting; who owns KBI?

OMG.LOL.WT_

KPS Capital Partners & George Thanopoulos

Put America 1st

HHI Holding Inc owns KBI. Instead of waiting for Kim to reply how about using google and investigate her comments further wtf

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Professor Playdoh

HHI own Jernburg and a lot of other plants too. Jernburg was bankrupt when HHI bought them out. they now make money.

pavedparadise

Must be contract time.

Fromthe419

It's a race to the bottom as far as wages are concerned. If I was graduating from high school right now, I'd go into education or something that was related to the public sector. Private sector jobs are scarce and low paying, the best way to better yourself is get into the public sector. I saw a internship at NASA that paid 50k, I did mine for free back in the late 80's but it wasn't with NASA. Governments are in a race to devalue their currencies so they can remain competitive, and the bottom line is we will all work for less, it's the new normal.

The Big Dog's back

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AngryWhiteDude

This is no surprise. The KBI CEO, George the Greek, stood before both the salaried and hourly work force in 2008 and told the Union that the only way that KBI would stay open is if the union opened the contract. He said the union didn't have to because the contract would not expire until 2013, but is they didn't the plant would close and they would all lose their jobs. The union's response was that they would rather have no jobs then work for less.. They got their wish! It is no ones fault except the union. The sad thing is all the hard working salaried people that will lose their jobs through no fault of their own. Shame on you UAW!

As you the quality of the bearings produced there.. It was terrible! The Quality Department hides this fact!

Perkins2060

Maybe this was the source of the foul odors.

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Professor Playdoh

QUOTE:
" The sad thing is all the hard working salaried people that will lose their jobs through no fault of their own"
Your kidding right? Who made the decision to continue using 40 year old technology to compete?
Manufacturing Engineers that traveled to Chicago for the IMTS shows came back and were told to make do with what they have.
A good example would be NASCAR or INDYCAR.. Who runs faster lap times at the Brickyard?
why.....Technology.

The Big Dog's back

angrywhitedush, if the salary people actually did work hard and weren't a bunch of yes men, it still would be open.

Perkins2060

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AngryWhiteDude

Say what you will.. I was there and heard exactly what George T. said. If the union would have opened the contract and accepted the wage levels that would have allowed them to competivley bid they would not be closing or laying people off. The union must of not believed him or thought no jobs are better than less pay.

There are good decent hard working people in the salary ranks at KBI and I proud to have worked with many of them and still call several of them friend. They had no choice in this matter. A lot of them have already lost their jobs and benefits well ahead of the union. This is 100% the unions fault!

looking around

They knew what the wages and benefits negotiated were when they made an offer to buy the company, if they felt they could not make it that level why did they buy it???????

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Professor Playdoh

Quote:
"Why did they buy it?"
The rumored price was 19M... Liquidation value is maybe 3 times that if it fails.

looking around

3X19=57M you think scrap metal goes for that much? There are no start ups interested in any of the machinery they have, the building would be a white elephant on the market and probably would be knocked down to get it of the tax rolls. Who knows what the environmental clean up would cost. There are warehouses across the country full of industrial machinery bought at cents on the dollar at auction, they all are saying it isn't moving.

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Double post

Put America 1st

This is NOTHING but a lie. The current contract is tied to subsidies let alone "Right of First refusal" allowing KBI the opportunity to bid first on GM work. Stop hiding behind your screenname - you are a bitter salary worker @ KBI that is on the chopping block and wants to blame the UAW boo hoo. Before you continue lying to the masses...How did you attend an ALL PLANT meeting and not be a KBI worker?

Hoss McGee

Funniest thing I have heard in awhile

queenjhb

@Angry White Dude: What is a fair wage for the hourly worker a KBI? What kind of benefits would be appropriate for them? Any? What was your salary while working there? How many hourly workers at KBI own a home,new car, go on lavish vacations? Todays hourly worker struggles. In the past, perhaps,W/ overtime, many made a really good living, not hourly employees today.

whocares

I always hear people crying for the unions. How about the salaried people that are taking a beating. And as for the County Government getting involved, the same democrats get elected every time

Super Judge

employees are lucky they are not making less than minimum wage is what they deserve

Perkins2060

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EZOB

AngryWhiteDude,
You can undertstand why a certain person makes negative comments directed at you. Their free ride is coming to an end and they want to blame anyone that will cut-off the free hand outs. Like in that stroh's beer commercial where the guy is crawling in the desert and only would drink a stroh's beer. I can see these Liberals crawling along, tongue hanging out, and Me offering them an "Iced Tea". They'll probably refuse it but they'll drink the Kool Aid.

Super Judge

how old are you that a you talking about a commercial from 1974 does the Erie County care facility know you using their computer

looking around

Hmmm....Lets see....layoffs and possible closures loom,cutbacks in funding for city infrastructure,increased unemployment and welfare, lower property values = less taxation revenue on payroll,property, and approved levies, poorly maintained city infrastructure and less services. Guess that all looks like Sandusky and surrounding area " The diamond in the rough" gets duller and duller..... Funny, when good Union jobs with pattern bargaining and group representation were the norm, things looked a lot better,; new schools, lots of local supporting business,great local infrastructure, low unemployment, good middle income wages and life styles, defined pension plans. Keep worrying about your neighbor making a decent living and soon you will all join him in an impoverished environment. Just what the republicans dream about.

whocares

I don't think you can blame this one on the republicans. If Obama was more pro business KBI would probably be doing better. We all would be doing better.

Mr. D

Hmmmm. . . Didn't original GM workers get shipped out or bought out so KBI could hire new labor cheaper? If most of the original workers are gone via retirement, buyouts and transfers, why are new low wage KBI workers getting cut? Are we seeing more results of poor management? Or is this just their secret agenda to liquidate local labor?

whocares

Oh yea, I almost forgot Bill Clinton Signed NAFTA into law. Also made China a most favored trading nation.

whocares

Oh yea, I almost forgot Bill Clinton Signed NAFTA into law. Also made China a most favored trading nation.

Kimo

That is what happens when American companies sell out to Japan and China.
Like I posted b4, dig to the bottom, follow the money...........

whocares

Companies are trying to survive in a World Economy. Unions are like a business, the have President, Vice Presidents, Managers, Members and buildings. What are the Unions doing to survive in a World Economy. Maybe if you organized Mexico and China you could raise the labor rate world wide and earn more? Plus people complain about management pay. What does a national union president earn?

Kimo

Re: "What does a national union president earn?"

who cares?

If he/she worked for a buck, it would not bring back the jobs "Waltonism" sent overseas.
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KURTje

Looking around you'll make many mad with the truth. (keep doing that)