Perkins students don't want cuts

Language arts students are fighting to keep their programs alive as voters ponder a tax levy on the May ballot.
Alissa Widman Neese
Mar 4, 2013

Students at Perkins High School show support of the district's language classes, specifically the French classes that may be cut next year because of budget problems. The school board plans to announce a final list of cuts at a meeting Wednesday night.

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Want to go?

What: Special Perkins school board meeting to discuss district cuts
When: 7:30 p.m. Wednesday
Where: Perkins High School, room 805

 

Comments

bobshumway92

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Perkahontas

Why won't these lazy teens think of the seniors!? The middle schoolers are worse.

Matt Westerhold

Perfect pitch, Perkahontas

character counts

I think that by the end of everyone fighting about who's idea is better, or where money went,ect... In the end the students suffer. The administration will continue making their salary, people will continue to be angry. Not everyone in this entire world will agree upon every issue. However, with that being said, instead of pointing fingers and saying who did what, everyone needs to look at their own doorstep and where their own accountability lies. If you are not happy with the decisions that are being made than do something about it. Either come up with and propose a plan that solves all problems, or vote members of the board out of office. However, in all of the hoopla of the levy, the only thing that a 'No" vote is going to do is hurt the children in the schools. When everyone can quit pointing fingers and come up with a solution, than maybe something will be accomplished.

character counts

Furthermore, I'm sure that 50 people will argue with the statement that I just posted, and not one person will have a valid solution on how to solve all of the problems. It is absolutely hysterical that 9 times out of 10 someone will pipe up and say move the milage money back and all of the problems will be solved. What they fail to realize is how school money is set up. Do you realize that each building is filled with asbestos . Have you realized that when the health department looks at your building they are looking at the surface and not the structure. Do you realize that bathrooms back up and teachers are teaching in sewage. No you probably do not realize any of those things, and if you did then your next solution will be to say repair. Well how many of you are going to take a car that is worth maybe $2000 and put a $1000 of repairs into it. Not many! And then lets go on to use our brains and think that in today's day and age, it is much cheaper to build than it is to renovate. Lets face it, if I take a home that was built in the early 1900's and I remodel/restore it, I will spend much more than I would to build a new house. Sorry folks but that is the reality of the times that we live in. And the majority of people that will read this, and decide to retaliate back through a comment, usually are the people that think " it doesn't matter because my kids are already out of school, Or you are too simple minded to expand your mental capacity to understand where school money comes from, and what the people YOU ELECTED are trying to establish in your community. Not to mention that you have a banker on the board. What in the world do you think a banker does for a living? They are opportunist. They look financially at what will give you the most for your money over the longest period of time. Hence the word "investor" they make investments. And in the end when all of this blows over, all of the people that are putting up such a stink as to less than $20 a month, will enjoy these facilities and all will be forgotten. So yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion through their freedom of speech, but when you decide to come with a comment that has some validity in it, or is somewhat thought out and educated than please share with everyone what you would do in their given situation that solves everyones problems. But until then, realize that Perkins is an extremely sought out area, you are lucky to live in a tight nit community, and by arguing to the death of everything solve problems instead of creating them, and bring your community back together instead of ripping it apart!

Trump

Ok - here's a proposal for you .. I'm willing to pay more for less (and so are a vast majority of the voters in Perkins). Get rid of open enrollment, move the millage back where it belongs (inside/outside) and design the new school based on a capacity fitting students that are Perkins residents only (no open enrollment ever again). I'll even pay for the STEM programs (including the laptops). Will this cost me more than the current levy proposals? Likley so! But, it's the right thing to do and the residents of this community "get bang for their buck"!

Let's go back in time and play "what if". If Dr. Gunner had told the voters of Perkins "either give us more operating money so I can keep the schools running and upgrade our programs or face the option of open enrollment" that levy would have passed easily. Then, instead of proposing a $100 million campus, what if the administration came up with a plan that fit the needs of the community and made sense economically? Gee, let's see, as a voter that makes sense to me, I'll vote yes.

But do they listen to us? Nope, let's play the "do it for the children" card and keep going down this path that none of us agree with or want.

Cowboy

Wow, I dunno, this really makes me think twice about voting no. Nah, I'm gonna vote no because the BOE played a dangerous craps game with our money!

Perkins2060

Articles like this make me want to vote no even more.

goodtime1212

yep we are still no, schools will find anything to try and get the voters to get there thoughts off all the miss spending.

herbie_hancock

Where did all the money go from the last couple levies? O yeah, to a new football stadium, and a $250,000 energy efficient windmill that they no longer have. Ill vote no on every single levy that comes up until they can prove they know how to budget what they are given, and use it appropriately.

CR Reader

The Board of Education recently signed an agreement with Honeywell, Inc. that refunded all Perkins costs for the turbine project. The agreement permits Perkins to keep the $150,000 Department of Development grant. Honeywell, Inc. is released from its' responsibility to monitor energy savings.

The money that the board spent on the stadium project is only slightly more than what it would have cost them to make the necessary repairs required to continue using the old facility. The rest of the money was raised by the Boosters.

Our Children, Our Schools, Our Community! VOTE YES!

Perkins2060

How much have we paid to consultants, architects, etc. for Gunners new building?

underthebridge

I hope the students direct their frustration to where it belongs: not with the voting public, but with the BOE who decided to use students as ransom to get their facilities.

Perkins2060

More like Gunner and his dream building.

BW1's picture
BW1

He needs to service his edifice complex

Perkahontas

You can really see the frustration and rage in that photo.

underthebridge

that was funny.

eriemom

Is there really a full time teacher being paid to teach this 22 students French, or are there more?

Perkahontas

Yeah, and that's spread over 8 periods, so less than four students per.

Common Sense

Hello? Perkahontas, this is simply one of the French classes. In fact, there are 6 high school classes and 2 junior high classes as well. There are anywhere from 22 to 24 in a class. Please check your facts as your assumptions demonstrate you are another voter who does not know anything, but wishes to comment on everything.

Perkins2060

Still a voter though. Way to state your case by degrading a voter. That'll win the hearts and minds.

Common Sense

Yes, but isn't it part of the responsibility of a voter to be well informed? I noticed that the commentator did the math quickly based on the erroneous statement. Did the commentator check that fact before making the assumption? The answer would be a resounding NO

Second Opinion

@ Common Sense

"does not know ANYTHING" ?
Shouldn't it be 'does not have all the complete facts'?
I never met someone who doesn't know 'ANYTHING", please explain oh wise one. Seems you don't know 'anything' about using the correct wording when conveying a thought.

Common Sense

You are right. I stand corrected. Does that negate the fact that the comment made by the commentator was extremely erroneous?

eriemom

Thank you for clarifying.

Perkahontas

Sorry CS, I guess the sarcasm was a little too on the nose there.

Common Sense

It's okay. I can take it. Seems as if I take it better than some of the others who post on here.

dire wolf

Don't worry students, we got your back. We would never have built that nice new stadium if it meant your programs and education would suffer. sleep tight.

fifteenthgreen

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itypedformiles

I find it funny that the same people who complain about the decline of society also complain about paying more taxes for education.

Perkins2060

The United States spends more money per student than any other nation in the World and we aren't even close to being first. Throwing more hard earned money at the problem will not fix it.

eddieisleaving

This is an inaccurate statement. Never let the truth stand in the way on an ignorant argument.

bobshumway92

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eddieisleaving

Oh Shumway you have been duped. What you cite is a blog that contains the same half-truths that were previously posted on other blogs. I guess if something is posted on enough blogs that makes it completely true.

bobshumway92

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eddieisleaving

Using labels or trying to insult does not make half-truths any more true.

hometownboy

Yet, 2060, there are states that spend on education wiser than this one!

bobshumway92

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itypedformiles

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Personal attacks (including: name calling, presumption of guilt or guilt by association, insensitivity, or picking fights).

Perkins2060

What a very intelligent response. I bet you're very proud of your GED.

Second Opinion

@ itypedformiles

HA HA HA!! FROM A PERSON THAT JUST LECTURED US ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO THROW MORE MONEY INTO A FAILED SYSTEM!

Let me guess, your NOT a teacher, right? LOL !!!

bobshumway92

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Second Opinion

Seems the teachers have too much time on their hands if they can waist more taxes to promote this charade. Utilizing the ignorance of children who many or most never went without does not sit well with taxpayers, it angers us. These inexperienced youth never had to work for a living and their envisions of Santa Claus paying the bills isn’t much different than the teachers that promoted this report.
If you don't want the cuts then YOU go get a job and contribute the wages to your school; a lesson in Capitalism will do you good in balancing out the spoon feed Socialism the teachers are feeding you.

JERRY from SANDUSKY

gunners making to much money........

akmed

How many people would vote yes if the BOE and Mr. Gunner would step down if the levy passed?

God Of Thunder

I'm sure Gunner and the board have some guaranteed 'yes' votes.. They will just give the kids who are of age, extra credit for 'yes'. Of course they'll link it to Government class. I bet they wish the Board of Elections hadn't moved the polls out of the school so it was easier too brainwash the kids into voting 'yes'...

VOTE NO!!!!

rickross2

I would vote yes with a round of firings. I think the BOE is playing the same game our government has been for years. It's almost as if they are PURPOSELY ruining our future both financially and by corrupting the minds of the youth. I think you should take the five most informed commenters from this thread, let them make a list of questions to ask all the members of the BOE. Post the questions and responses on here and let us decide who gets fired. It's OUR money dammit.

Darkhorse

Here a tax, there a tax, every where a tax in Perkins. Perkins is getting swamped with taxes. I like how the schools put the kids up to being pawns. Every teacher would like more wages and benefits so they get the kids to put up signs. The voters need to take their anger out in the voting booth and just vote no on everyting including the union.

Centauri

There are plenty of free French lessons online. You can also purchase software for computers to learn just about any language.

Bricks and mortar schools are becoming obsolete. With computers and the internet, one can learn just about anything outside of a school building. Testing and lab work can be done in a building. Many universities have online classes.

Lil DAB

Even family courts warn parents about using children for their go-between. It is not a good thing to put kids in the middle of "fights." School administrations using children to further their propaganda is shameful and whoever is behind promoting this as indicated in this picture; and "using" these kids for their selfishly motivated intention, should have a red face and apologize to everyone of those kids' parents.

Fromthe419

Gunner, move into the district, get some skin in the game. Until you will share the pain of the locals you have no credibility. Buy at 200k or 300k house and see you taxes go up and we will vote with you...not gonna happen

starryeyes83

Awww. poor babies... they may miss their class trip (they still have those,right ? ) to France.

That's life -- sometimes --you JUST don't get everything you want.

Common Sense

Students pay for this on their own through fundraising. It is open only to those who can afford to do so.

The New World Czar

Give it time and they'll be using the music department as their next pawns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1...

Cowboy

Yeah, well maybe it's time to get rid of the music department. Make it all pay to play.

Lost1

I find it sickening that your generation is screwing up our generations opportunities.

FlyBoy86

Instead of pointing fingers about whois screwing up opportunities, why don't you search them out instead of waiting for them to be handed to you. While everyone else is pointing fingers and blaming each other, the smart ones move in and capitalize on the situation.

starryeyes83

No one owes you anything in this life. Figure it out for yourselves.

sab44870

How about a ban on frivolous levies. These people will not stop until it is passed.

arnmcrmn

Pay to learn....coming to your local town soon.

mitchello

Interesting to see all levels of government using children in their propaganda. Makes one want to vote "no" even more often.

Lil DAB

Now that it's March, and you have paid your real estate taxes, did you notice an increase or decrease? Did you hear that faint slurping sound when some of your dollars were being gobbled up by an escalating, never-ending invoice that bills us for unnecessary bonuses for teachers with master’s degrees?

"Every year, American schools pay more than $8.6 billion in bonuses to teachers with master's degrees, even though the idea that a higher degree makes a teacher more effective has been mostly debunked."

I understand a Master's degree is required now. And several posts regarding school levys have shared websites to check administrative and teacher salaries. After doing so and seeing we the taxpayers pay very generous incomes for some of these 9 month a year positions, why would you want to pay additional taxes to "pad" that pocketbook even further? (While the 'padding' is taken away from yours.) There are no evaluations or accountability that the teacher is performing any better or proof that student achievement is on the rise?

The picture with this article says to me, wasted time making signs, gathering on the stairway, posing, chuckling to and from the classroom about getting out of their studies.
It's really NOT..."All About the Kid$!"

The New World Czar

Recent state school rankings show Perkins being "effective", in other words ranked second lowest in Erie County. Before moving anymore "forward", why not take a look at how open enrollment has diluted the quality of what was once an "excellent" system and modify that before you go trying to build an "academy"??? Sorry, Perkins isn't "all that" anymore!

bobshumway92

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The Hamburglar

You mean Ebonics, right?

FlyBoy86

+1, Good Sir.

rickross2

lol....I moderated myself. That was too hot for Sandusky Register

FlyBoy86

I'm taking bets!

10 to 1 that the levy passes.
6 to 5 that the levy fails by a margin of 60% or more.
3 to 1 that you can give the exact margin of failure.

Seriously, though. You have to put yourself in these kid's shoes. I remember being in high school during levy time. It's all we were spoon fed! "It's the voters fault for not supporting the school." If some kids were "rebellious" in regards to standing up for what's right, they would side with there parents.

Parents, here's what you tell you kids. "If this levy passes, I can't buy :::Insert latest hip trendy item here::: for you because that money is going towards school taxes." Easy enough.

The Hamburglar

It's too bad there's no illegal bookmaking going on at Excuses. Smitty could pay those fines off quick!

FlyBoy86

Where's Tony Soprano when you need him, eh?

The Hamburglar

Try the Greentree

nofufucat

Ask the kids themselves which unrequired courses they would cut. That would be the solution to the problem. If the school gets rid of french courses means there would be more kids taking spanish which would mean school would have to hire another spanish teacher so what's the point.

Lil DAB

VOTEZ NON SUR LE PRELEVEMENT ÉCOLE.

Cowboy

I know my German.....vote no for the school levy.

FunFunFun92

First off, there are about 180 students in the French program. Not counting the students at the middle school.
Second, the Perkins schools are putting in a World Language academy. This means the student's classes will be based off of world languages. If the French program is cut, what other languages would be taken aside from French? Only Spanish, although the 'academy' expects the student to have two language courses each year. Seems to be a dumb move on the school's part.
Many colleges don't accept only two years of a language, and for the students in the advanced levels they'd be left without a class to take the next year, unless by chance their college of choice will accept two years of differing languages.
It's not so much that they want you to vote yes, at least in my opinion, but it's that they want you to help try to get the French program off the 'chopping block' for the cut courses. There are many other things the school could cut to save money. I'm not voting yes on it either, but I am going to attempt in some way to keep the French program going. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. If you're already progressing in this program, why have to switch to a new one halfway through?

bobshumway92

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FunFunFun92

In the picture? None that I know of.
In the French program, I'm sure there's some as Perkins has a lot of open enrolment students.

Yellow Snow

Levy or no levy, every one is free to make or not make a tax deductible donation to the school of your choice. I don't see any line, only a district with outstretched hands.

bobshumway92

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Common Sense

Stop in at the board of education office sometime and take a look at the newsletter that shows that, among the schools of Erie County, we are ranked next to last in cost per pupil expenditures.

Trump

I suggest everyone read Ralph Roshong's letter in the Reader Forum of today's paper. In fact, everyone should cut it out and mail it to Dr. Gunner. If there was ever a well written piece that calls out the BOE and Dr. Gunner for the way they handled the money we the voters approved them to use, this letter is it. I was on the fence for how to vote on these latest levy proposals. Not anymore. I'm voting no and also pledge my support to any candidate that runs against the current board members and supports firing this Superintendent.

bobshumway92

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ilovedora101

For the record, no teachers involved with the foreign language department made these students take this picture for their own benefit. All of the students made the decision themselves to take the picture, and submit the article to the Sandusky Register. The French program at Perkins HS, was built up from the ground and it has been one of the premier programs that the school has to offer its students over the course of the past 16 years. Many students have even had the opportunity to travel to France and other countries throughout Europe. So many students have gone through this prestigious program and I for one hope that many future students are able to learn about the French language and culture, and life outside of the US.
Thank you for your consideration.

bobshumway92

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FunFunFun92

Once more, it's not telling you to vote yes, but to get your word out there that you'd like to see the French program running. As I said earlier, to get it off the chopping block. They'll cut something no matter if the levy passes or not. But we can change what gets cut. We have many unnecessary coaches, teachers, and equipment. We could cut those, and not just a program that could actually help people in the future. It's not right to punish the students for something they can't help.

FunFunFun92

Once more, it's not telling you to vote yes, but to get your word out there that you'd like to see the French program running. As I said earlier, to get it off the chopping block. They'll cut something no matter if the levy passes or not. But we can change what gets cut. We have many unnecessary coaches, teachers, and equipment. We could cut those, and not just a program that could actually help people in the future. It's not right to punish the students for something they can't help.

bobshumway92

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ilovedora101

Two Questions:
1. Why do you hate the French?
2. Where in my comment did I mention voting yes or no for the school levy?

Truth or Fiction

It took awhile to read through 70+ postings. There are a few things I would like to comment on.

- First, students are young adults and I believe we should show the same respect we expect from them.

-Second, If you have a problem with the BOE or the Administration, that is where it needs to be directed.

-Third, postings on this string directed at teachers is uncalled for. They are employed by the district but are not part of the decision making process.

Police, Fire, and Teachers serve the public this is true but that does not mean that we have a right to demean, ridicule, and attack them. Perkins has prided itself at being progressive with regard to education in the 21st century. Did our district get it right all the time - NO but it does have more wins than losses.

bobshumway92

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Truth or Fiction

@ cowboy
Maybe what you wanted to state in German was; "Ja stimmen fur die Perkins Schulen!"

Truth or Fiction

Sorry bob - not my students but they may be paying for your retirement some day.

bobshumway92

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underthebridge

Here is the Letter to the Editor by Ralph Roshong who is a retired Superintendent of Schools from Perkins.

Perkins trying to build without voter approval

The Perkins School Board of Education is asking its voters to approve a 4.9 mill operating levy in the May primary election. The board is telling us this levy is needed due to the loss of state aid, reduced tax collections and increased costs. They are wrong.

Those three conditions may exist, but the actual reason they are requesting the support of the voters on this 4.9 mill issue is to replace the 5.2 mills of inside operating millage the board decided to change from operating to permanent improvement beginning in 2012. Of course, this step was taken so the board can construct a new $50 million school without the vote of the taxpayers.

However, the really serious impact of this move is that the school’s operating funds were reduced by $2.2 million in 2012 and another $2.2 million in 2013.

That is a little short of the $4.5 million in operating funds lost for the instruction of our students between last year and this year. It appears ironic that the board will solicit our vote for an operating levy to replace the inside millage operating funds they moved, but they will not give us a vote for a new $50 million school facility. It must also be assumed that in going forward with this building project, the building will potentially be sized to house a major portion of the 500-plus students of non-resident parents who do not pay property taxes in Perkins Township. Each of these students bring to the district $5,500 from the state, but it costs the district $9,500 each to educate them. Many areas in most buildings have become crowded, additional teachers have had to be hired, and many alterations have had to be made to accomodate these additional students from the open enrollment program.

All of the current four school buildings have been involved in three or four energy retrofit projects over the last 25 years through House Bill 294 projects and as a result, are in quite satisfactory condition. The 1907 area of the high school, the north end, is the only parcel in need of possible replacement.

In addition, the board is asking for renewal of a 2 mill permanent improvement levy originally passed about 1990, which generates about $700,000 per year. The district’s voters have passed/renewed this levy approximately five times with the understanding that the funds would be used to keep our four school buildings in top-notch repair. It appears the board recently assumed that keeping the buildings in top-notch condition is not the primary purpose of those funds and is using the permanent improvement funds on many other projects, most notably $1.7 million on a new stadium, making numerous alterations to the buildings to house the 500-plus non-resident open enrollment students, laptop computers for most students and staff, etc. If the board determined that additional funds were needed for these non-building maintenance projects, then additional funds should have been requested from the taxpayers for those purposes. The $700,000 collected yearly should have been used, as intended by the voters, for maintaining our four current school buildings, and possibly purchasing a few school buses.

It is apparent that the 5.2 former operating mills and the two long-time established permanent improvement mills are being combined to provide a 7.2 mill permanent improvement “building fund” for the board to expend as they wish on a $50 million project WITHOUT voter approval. Every Perkins School District voter must be aware of how the school board, the guardians of our school district’s funds, will be using those taxpayer provided funds, especially a $50 million building program, without our voted approval.

Ralph Roshong Perkins Township

bobshumway92

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Common Sense

Mr. Roshong came to Perkins as the superintendent in the mid 80's. Also, I believe he may be the author of a number of books involving school issues including a study of bond millage rates. Before coming to Perkins, he was the superintendent at Hillsdale Local Schools, but had his contract bought out by the board of education there.

bobshumway92

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Wald

Thank you, Mr. Roshong, for pointing out just how misguided Gunner and the BOE are. When both levies fail, and they will, Gunner and the BOE will have no one to blame but themselves.

Bearcat1819

What is cutting the French program going to do? The district is just going to have to hire more Spanish teachers. Also, what about the students who took French starting their Junior year?Most colleges require two years of the same foreign language. These students will basically be out of luck if the program gets cut next year.

nosey rosey

Who cares what the students think. When they are old enough to vote and understand what taxes are, then they can have an opinion. Did the parents of each child give their consent to have their photos posted on the internet or in a public document? I'd hazard a bet that some of their parents are still voting no.

Bearcat1819

Well, I hate to break it to you, but there are actually quite a few students who are old enough to vote. The only students that actually care about the levy are educated. If they weren't educated, they wouldn't waste their time reading about it. Though they don't have to pay for the tax raise, the student vote is important. The students have actually experienced the conditions within the schools. So, instead of bashing the students about not having to pay taxes, think about the information that the adults don't have.

bobshumway92

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Bearcat1819

I'm aware that the levy most likely will not pass. That isn't the point I'm trying to make. I just think that it's ignorant of people to ask, "Who cares what the students think?" They're the ones who are going to have to put up with the changes in the long run.

bobshumway92

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treemotan

I swear. A good majority of you all are making me lose faith in the human race. Going to go on a bit of a tangent here, pardon if it's a bit disjointed.

First of all, this shouldn't have anything to do with wherever you stand on the political spectrum. It has to do with what's best for the students, school system and in turn the community in the long term. People standing on the outside looking in or those that bury their heads in the sand and pretend it's not going to affect them somehow in the future may not see the importance of the programs the BOE is planning to eliminate should the levies not pass.

For one thing, those of you saying the teachers are putting the students up to this, no. That isn't the case. These aren't little middle schoolers and elementary school kids. These are young adults concerned for their futures and acting of their own volition for programs and organizations they know are important to them and have left a positive impact on their lives. The teachers had close to nothing to do with this at all. As I've previously stated, most colleges require two to three years of a single foreign language to even qualify for acceptance, and most Ivy League schools require four years. Cutting the program effectively hinders freshmen, sophomores, and juniors in some way, shape, or form in regards to pursuing a higher education; and I know for a fact that most if not all of the students pictured plan on doing so. This doesn't just apply to the foreign language programs, either; it applies to the music and arts programs as well. Colleges are looking for students skilled in many areas. Jobs are looking for employees skilled in many areas. I'm not saying personal attachment to these things ISN'T playing a role in where the students stand in this, but I guarantee they're thinking about their futures and the future of the district just as much.

And for the people that whine "I don't care" or "it doesn't affect me personally", well, it will affect you. Maybe not immediately, or even directly. Cutting these programs will no doubt end up driving the school system into the ground, and as a result it'll end up lowering the value of property in the district as a whole. The most prevalent argument I've seen in regards to this is that people don't plan on selling their homes, or that all it nets them is a tax decrease. While it's true you may not be planning on selling your home now, you have no idea what the future may bring. You can't say you'll never sell. Tax decreases result in cuts in funding and employment for state, federal, and district workers, which then results in more individuals on unemployment who are doing less spending, which then affects businesses, and the whole thing keeps going downhill in a vicious cycle. In the long run, it means LESS money for everyone.

For the record, I understand INTELLIGENT arguments opposing the levy (as few and far between as they are). However, the one thing I notice seems to be consistent with most opposition and even the support is disdain towards Gunner and the BOE. Frankly, I don't like them much myself, either. And personally, I think they should have left the new school off the levy for a couple of years until the outrage over the stadium cooled down and investing the tax dollars into operating costs. So, I understand where the animosity and lack of trust comes from. But here's the thing: yes or no, however you may vote, it's probably not going to eject Gunner from his position. So, like it or not, we're likely going to be stuck with him and the rest of the board until they step down of their own volition. I'm of the mindset that one should think with foresight and vote for what's best in the long run rather than basing their decisions on knee-jerk reactions and personal spite or disdain. All that voting "No" is going to do is put a little egg on Gunner and the BOE's face, but force hardworking and dedicated individuals actually competent at their jobs into unemployment and completely wreck the futures of 100+ students.

bobshumway92

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treemotan

No, because I'm not a teacher. I'm a student, free-thinker and a voter that is annoyed by the shortsightedness and pettiness of the voters in the district. I've been following and reading up on the whole levy business since I heard there would be cuts, primarily due to my heavy involvement in the school's band program. But this is mostly irrelevant, considering that now that I've mentioned this you'll probably just start saying a teacher put me up to it or something. Like you've been doing with every individual attempting to explain why they're voting for the levy.

I'm well aware that the levies will likely fail. I'm not a complete fool. And I am of the mind that Gunner and the current BOE are bumbling tools that can't set their priorities straight. I think they should've held off on building the new stadium. I think they should worry about making sure they have the money to run the district as is rather than concerning themselves with building this glamourous new building (though from my own experience as a student at PHS, I agree a new building will need to be built in the near future. Just not now). And I am of the belief that they are so caught up in their own business and ambitions that they've gotten completely out of touch with the community and voters.

However, voting no sheerly on that basis is, to me, rather pointless. As I said, whether people vote for or against the levies won't affect Gunner or the BOE one bit. The only thing it accomplishes is stifling the school district as a whole, and in turn the entire township. In other words, driving it more into the ground than it already was with no expense to the higher-ups. I don't like it, personally, but that's unfortunately the chokehold the Perkins School District is caught in.

Oh, and one more thing... I love how no one seems to understand how open enrollment actually works and why it's desirable. I myself am not open-enrollment, but the numbers people came up with intrigued me and I decided to do a little information spelunking on my own. Open enrollment, contrary to the belief, hasn't caused the district to lose money. Open enrollment actually helps schools MAKE money and doesn't cost (Perkins) taxpayers anything. The $4K isn't paid by Perkins township taxpayers- it comes from the district the student was previously attending. Each open enrollment student might add, say $1k to the school's operating cost. Still a profit. In other words, if not for open enrollment this school system would be even more in debt. In addition, the state tends to give more funding to schools with higher attendance.

All that said, I highly doubt those are the only reasons people are voting "no". Just a convenient excuse. Perkins township hasn't passed an operating levy since 2000, which was well before Gunner was superintendent. Which suggests to me something completely different about the voters in this township.

bobshumway92

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treemotan

No, I don't pay property taxes. But I will in the very near future. So I at the very least understand how they work, and have looked into their rates in our district and the surrounding districts as well. And I can understand why people would be frustrated with their money being handled irresponsibly, especially when you consider taxes as an investment of sorts. No one likes being cheated, and I am capable of understanding such sentiments. Though never once did I say the levies would fix everything; you're putting words in my mouth. It will probably fix some things, or at the very least stabilise them until a better solution arises. Though really, none of this would be an issue if it weren't for Kasich.

And again, the fact that no operating levies have been passed since 2000 seems to indicate that the board isn't the only problem here.

Perkins2060

Kasich? Lol the state is broke! The gravy train days are over. You will understand when you get older. Hang in there kid.

treemotan

Ah, whoops. Did it again. Got ahead of myself and moved on before I finished transposing my thoughts. My bad.

Let me redact and rephrase that: Kasich cutting down funding to schools likely made this matter far worse than they would be otherwise. Which I find a shame, because as cliché as it sounds the future lies in the hands of the nation's youth and a strong education is needed to set them on course. So, I feel it's something important to invest in. Doesn't help that the way Ohio funds schools was deemed unconstitutional years ago and nothing was done to fix it... and now that's coming back to bite.

bobshumway92

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treemotan

$9500 is the national average. It costs the district far less than that to educate them; Perkins is actually extremely cheap when it comes to tuition expenses for both normal and open enrollment students. The district gets the student fees, plus a nice bonus $5732 from the parent district.

Perkins2060

The national average is $7742 and Perkins is $9500.

treemotan

I'll have to check the numbers again a bit later. If I'm wrong, I'll at least suck it up and admit it. I'm going to do some cross-referencing first. The main point is that the $5732 isn't all that they make for taking in the student. Schools, in general, wouldn't do the whole open enrollment thing if it didn't net them extra capital.

Perkins2060

Hey lowbrass, good to see you back. But why the name change?

treemotan

I'm not lowbrass, I'm a woodwind. Lame joke aside, you've got your people slightly mixed up.

bobshumway92

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eriemom

I don't think that I have ever read a post that said, "Yea! We got to vote for a school levy." It is my opinion that we are about to see an entire school district implode. Sandusky, here we come.

underthebridge

It is very sad. The mark of good leaders is their ability to bring together opposing positions and conflicting points of interests and meet at the point of mutual interest. We don't see nearly enough of that kind of genuine leadership from any of our elected leaders at any level of government. The Perkins BOE members are no different. Sadly, the people who pay are the students, the teachers, and the community.

Thatgirl123

Personally going to Perkins High School and knowing these students is sad. Can you explain to me how taking a picture and sending it to the register is going to save your French program? Because if you were to be really concerned about your program you would complain to the board not take a picture and send it to the news paper. Number one, lets think, Perkins could have saved some money with that stadium umm how much money did they pay off there pockets? I have been on it before they changed everything. No no no they did not need it like that. We did have a few parts missing in the track, so just fix that! There is one way that some money could have been saved. Also you put the seats on the wrong side! The away side should not be there, and what was wrong with the original away side? Trust me there wasn't anything wrong with them that I could tell. You just needed to get new home ones because they were messed up. Second of all, nothing was wrong with the field just a little bump why couldn't they just fill it in? Third, we don't need these laptops. To be honest, half these kids are not using them for educational reasons they’re using Youtube, Twitter, Gmail, and other stuff that we shouldn't be using during school hours. Fourth and finally, we got the word out saying that we had a sewer problem that was fixed how long ago? Two years is what i’ve heard. That’s pretty sad how we have to lie to get money, that we don’t even need. Great example we’re setting for others. In my personal opinion this school is just filled with selfish brats that think our school is on top. This is why I am not proud to be a Perkins Pirate. Taxpayers vote no!

treemotan

From what I can tell, the point of sending the picture out to get published in the Register along with the article is to draw attention to the issue. Pretty typical process for any cause, and I know for certain they are taking the matter up with the board this evening. Though even that's probably not going to change anything; it's in the voters' hands.

50-75% of the stadium was paid for through public fundraising and corporate sponsorship. The away and home sides were switched to fit with the standard layout of most Ohio schools. I don't entirely mind the stadium; the problem, in my eyes, is trying to push for a new school immediately afterwards instead of investing that into operational costs of the current building.

I see your point with the laptops, however I would also like to point out that they opened up much more tech courses for students, such as more advanced courses in programming and computer graphic design, which are highly-valued skills in today's tech-oriented society. So, with the laptops I'd call them a hit and a miss.

No comment on the sewage issue, though I can attest that several other parts of the school are in severe disrepair and that a new school will probably be necessary sometime down the line. Just not now when everyone's so tense.

Perkins2060

Again, check your facts. It's 50% not 50-75% . $1.7 million from donations and $1.7 million from the taxpayers. Another lie Gunner and the board was caught in. Search on this site. There was a mailbag question, the Register asked Gunner and that's how he responded. That is NOT what he and the board stated previously.

treemotan

I said "50-75%" because I couldn't remember exactly which it was. I remembered hearing both percentages and decided to list both lest I get called out on stating a wrong statistic. And here I get called out for erring on the side of caution. Either way, the $1.7 million from the taxpayers would have been invested in repairing the old stadium regardless.

And I know that whole deal soured a lot of peoples' opinions, and Gunner+BOE's later actions didn't help matters either. They're out of touch with how their decisions have affected the community's outlook on them, and refuse to acknowledge their mistakes and let things settle. I'd have waited a few years to get everything stable financially after the stadium, and then maybe after the heat had gone down begin planning for the new school.

All in all, it's too much all at once and his attempts to pressure voters are backfiring spectacularly, it seems. Pity so much of the maliciousness is getting directed at other parties who are pretty much innocent in this, or at the very least don't deserve the flak.

Wald

The stadium was paid for using 1.7 in donations and 1.7 in taxpayer funds. They could have used the donations to repair the old stadium without using taxpayer funds at all, so the idea taxpayers had to pay for the stadium regardless is false. Also, because of open enrollment, how many new teachers have been hired? How much more food for lunch has to be purchased? How much more equipment and books had to be purchased? Plus I read that Perkins is only rated effective on the yearly state report card. It seems to me like open enrollment isn't worth the amount each student brings in. On top of that is the fact that the voters already voted no to a new stadium and Gunner ignored them and manipulated the taxpayer funds to build it anyway. Talk about a slap in the face! I will be voting no to the renewal and emergency levies because I don't trust Gunner and the board to do what is best with my money. Period.

Perkins2060

Excellent post thatgirl! Finally, a student that hasn't been brainwashed by the teachers!

dbstr

If you want to know how much our district spends on each student, this web site has a handy list. http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/...

According to that site our district spends about 9,995 per student. 0.0 The 5,700 our (actually every district gets the same amount as it is a state law) district gets for open enrollment students doesn't really cut it.

KURTje

Wonder if this makes for future elder abuse?