Local Tea Party leader slams Kasich, Medicaid plan

Ohio is about to launch an avalanche of new spending by a federal government that’s already broke, conservatives and Tea Party members say. But health care advocates say that people who can’t afford to go to the doctor finally will get the care they need.
Tom Jackson
Mar 1, 2013

 

Ohio lawmakers must decide whether to follow Gov. John Kasich’s lead and approve a vast expansion of Ohio’s Medicaid system that would be funded largely by federal dollars.

Medicaid, which helps low-income Americans, covers about 2 million people in Ohio. The proposed expansion, which raises income eligibility and extends coverage to single people who don’t have children, would add about another 500,000 Ohioans to Medicaid.

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The federal government would cover 100 percent of the cost of the expansion for the first three years of the program, then gradually reduce its support to 90 percent.

Kasich said during last week’s speech in Lima that if lawmakers don’t act, tax dollars from Ohio taxpayers will be spent in other states. The Medicaid expansion would bring $13 billion of Ohio tax dollars back home so that the poor don’t have to try to obtain medical care in emergency rooms, Kasich said.

“I (have to) tell you, I can’t look at the disabled, I can’t look at the poor, I can’t look at the mentally ill, I can’t look at the addicted and think we ought to ignore them,” Kasich said. “For those that live in the shadows of life, those who are the least among us, I will not accept the fact that the most vulnerable in our state should be ignored. We can help them.. 

Ralph Kraus, a Perkins Township resident who is a leader of the Firelands Patriots Tea Party group in Erie County and a member of the Ohio Liberty Council, hopes lawmakers will reject Kasich’s appeal. Kraus said the federal government already is deeply in debt and making promises it can’t keep.

 “When the government is promising to take care of you when it’s $16 trillion in debt, it’s kind of foolish to believe the government is doing to stand behind this,” Kraus said.

Comments

Contango

Mr. Kasich is taking the money and running. Good for him.

A recent interview:

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?v...

Not to worry, the Obamacare boondoggle with eventually collapse on its own bureaucratic complexity.

Bluto

Yeah , Why can't poor people just die and quit taking my money . 8 P Sarcasm .

John Harville

you first.

goofus

That's a real intelligent and mature response!!!!

The Big Dog's back

But true.

goofus

Birds of a feather!!!! Showing the same maturity level!!!!!

Bluto

I am calling on the TEA party to split from the Republican party and form it's own party . I know they won't though because , they themselves know that without the Republican base they wouldn't stand a chance at holding power for long .

doc5798a

I didn't know the teabaggers were still around.

John Harville

Is Ralph the Firelands Patriots guy? The one who told a group of bystanders that the First Amendment applies at their tent only when they decide it does?
I don't think they should form their own party. I think they oughta form their own country... uh, no.... then they'd probably apply for aid.

Licorice Schtick

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Personal attacks (including: name calling, presumption of guilt or guilt by association, insensitivity, or picking fights).

The Big Dog's back

Yes they are.

Contango

"...the mushrooming costs of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, with unfunded liabilities as high as $211 trillion, will bankrupt the nation’s youth and pose a much greater danger than the country’s $16 trillion of debt currently being debated in Congress."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/20...

Not to worry, the political ruling class has it "all figured out" and we can all relax.

FORWARD SOVIET!

John Harville

Gramm-Rudman created the present pain. Know you won't acknowledge, but had to put it out there. SS Trust Fund was used to diminish the debt under Reagan. It's not even in the budget - back when Congress actually submitted a REAL budget.
Stick in your eye.

Contango

@ John Harville:

SS was added and Fannie became a publicly traded GSE under LBJ's 1969 unified budget.

Yep! Non-discretionary spending is outacontrol.

coasterfan

Two thoughts:
1.The Tea Party are not deserving of recognition simply because they were all curiously silent during the spending excesses and deficit-ridden policies of the Bush administration.
2. Can you really call yourself a patriot when you have basically roadblocked every attempt by the other 95% of Americans to fix any of our current problems, and furthermore have solved nothing yourselves?

coasterfan

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Personal attacks (including: name calling, presumption of guilt or guilt by association, insensitivity, or picking fights).

Contango

coasterfan writes:

"Whenever I see someone with a tea party bumper sticker, I automatically remove 20 points from their IQ."

You see individuals with bumper stickers on their persons? lol

(What DID you teach anyway?)

Conversely, whenever I see someone with an Obama bumper sticker on their vehicle, I automatically assume that they're a useful idiot.

coasterfan

Ah, so Contango regards himself as a comedian. Methinks he needs a new writer...

Me, I taught students. By that I mean, like any good teacher, my students were more important than the subject I taught. Suffice to say that I was a teacher of the year award winner, and was on the state board for my particular discipline. I taught hundreds of students who were just like Contango: open mouths and closed minds. Luckily, student aged people are still malleable and can be taught.

It's probably too late for Contango. You can only watch Fox News for so many years before you actually start to believe that it's real news, rather than ideological entertainment in the same vein as Hannity and Limbaugh.

Statistics show that the more educated a person is, the more likely they are to vote Democrat. Contango is free to continue to associate with his under-educated tea party friends if he wishes to do so.

Contango

@ coasterfan:

I only commented on the context of what you wrote.

Obviously the subject wasn't English. lol Why do you refuse to name the subject?

Love the Fox News straw man. It shows a lack of originality in thought which common to useful idiots.

coasterfan

The correct word choice would have been "obviously", rather than 'obvious', along with your lack of a comma after the word "thought". Gotta love it when I get into an discussion with a semi-literate tool, who thinks that anyone who doesn't agree with his particular viewpoint is an idiot, and who is blissfully unaware of his own shortcomings...

Contango

"Useful idiot" is a perfectly acceptable and often used political term.

It need not denote stupidity, merely ignorance. However, if the shoe fits...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use...

jas

Very well stated. Both Faux News and Rush Windbag encourage people not to think for themselves but simply parrot back their talking points. Reading Contango's posts are proof enough.

Contango

@ jas:

Enjoy taking mental comfort in the absurdity of your straw man arguments. You've learned the moronic process well from Dear Leader and MSNBC.

coasterfan

The thing is, we Democrats understand that MSNBC is slanted towards the left. Why is it that most conservatives don't admit that Fox is ( at least) equally slanted towards the right?

goofus

Then why all the quotes from left leaning cable news service and publications like the daily-kos,slate,and Huff-Po.

Bluto

Aaah , Hopefully we can all get back into our niches , and not bring up " The dog that shall not be mentioned " Oooops . ; ))))

8ballinthesidepocket

The problem is that these days most all people live beyond their means, paycheck to paycheck running up their credit cards beyond the limit. They want it all NOW. My parents never had credit cards, if they didn't have the cash, they saved and saved until they got it and then paid cash. So with this becoming the norm, you cannot convince people that our country should not live beyond it's means. We have created a class of people that consider welfare a career, they do it because their parents did it so on and so forth. Pretty soon the dollar will be worth a dime and the country will grow broke, but not to worry, the Chinese and Wal Mart will bail us out and we will all be on the government dole. What a shame. I wonder why the extension isn't teaching a class on how to make a living on your neighbors bank account...the new america, everybody on welfare, the government making all our decisions, and nobody taking responsibility for their own actions. Think I am wrong, go down to the welfare office in Sandusky or Cleveland or Detroit. It makes me sick.

jas

Why are people who try to do all they can for their families by applying and receiving all the government benefits they can get any different than Corporations squeezing every last cent out of consumers because the law allows them to do it? Are they both not doing what is in their best interest and within what the laws allow? Would not a Corpoartion be held accountable by its shareholders if it didn't do all it could to maximize profit but, apparently, it is wrong for parents to do all they can to maximize financial benefits from the government for their children? Greed is good for Corporations but "greed" on behalf of your children is wrong. Something is mixed up in the world we live in where profit over people is the norm.

Contango

@ jas:

Unfortunately, corps go outa business, govt. programs never die.

Here's an idea for ya:

Why don't the Progressives confiscate "hoarded money" from the well-healed NFPs and individuals?

"According to the most recent Federal Reserve Flow of Funds Report, from the third quarter of 2012, nonfinancial corporations held more than $15 trillion in financial assets. The combined money-market shares, currency and deposit accounts held by these companies in totaled a little less than $1.4 trillion.

This amount is dwarfed by the $53.6 trillion in financial assets held by households and nonprofit groups, including some $6.9 trillion in deposit accounts and $1 trillion in money-market funds."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/20...

coasterfan

I have a better idea. Why not start asking rich folks to pay taxes at the rates they did in the 1950's, a time of American Prosperity? Instead of 75-90%, they now pay a 1/4 that amount, AND don't pay taxes at all on investment income. Why are we still giving free subsidies to Big Oil? They seem to be doing just fine, and would seem to be the last people who would need govt help. Yet, the GOP way is to continue to coddle the fat cats, and make things increasingly more difficult for the middle class. Simple math folks: if GOP really wants to fix the deficit, we all know where the money to do so can be found.

Contango

coasterfan writes:

"I have a better idea. Why not start asking rich folks to pay taxes at the rates they did in the 1950's, a time of American Prosperity?"

Obviously, History and Economics were also not your areas of expertise.

After WW2, the U.S. was the world's largest creditor. Today we are the world's largest debtor IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

The U.S. cannot tax it's way out of this mess!

How about a wealth tax? A 3% annual tax on all investable assets over $30M.

Let's see Mr. Buffett, the Kerrys, the Kennedys, the Pelosis, the Reids , Geo. Soros and other Progressive fat cats pay their FAIR SHARE.

coasterfan

Don't you have a job? I post in the evenings and during lunch hour, but you seem to have all day and night to post. So, you're one of the 47% that your buddy Mitt was griping about, I guess?

The US can't completely kill off incoming revenue and get out of the mess, either. And...sorry, but a majority of Americans agree with Obama's plan for a mixture of taxes and cuts. Actually, I read today that even a majority of Republicans agree with that idea. I am not impressed by your arrogance and bluster. We've seen it before in Limbaugh, Levin, etc. Just because you are loud and Know how to insult others doesn't make you correct. Now, hush up and go get a job.

By the way, Warren Buffett has been leading the charge for millionaires TO pay more taxes for a couple of years. Don't you read the newspaper? Sheesh....

goofus

As if President Harrison J. Bounel would ever make meaningful and lasting cuts from other agencies other than the military!!!!!
So has Warren Buffet ever open his check book yet. Talk is cheap!! Let's see him write that check to the treasury!!!

Contango

coasterfan writes:

"Warren Buffett has been leading the charge for millionaires TO pay more taxes for a couple of years."

However, he intends to donate his fortune to charity, thereby skipping the estate tax.

An annual 3% wealth tax (not unlike the one in France) would capture some of his fortune incrementally.

Contango

coasterfan writes:

"...but a majority of Americans agree with Obama's plan for a mixture of taxes and cuts."

So, let's dust off the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform recommendations that Mr. Obama chose to ignore and get the President and Congress back to work!

http://www.fiscalcommission.gov/

It would appear that Pres. BHO only understands campaigning and playing politics, while totally lacking any hint of leadership skills.

Thank you for your deep and caring concern regarding the quality of my life style. I do OK without any govt. entitlement assistance whatsoever.

arnmcrmn

I have an idea. How about EVERYONE pays taxes. Not just the top earners in this nation. I failed to realize that only the rich use the roads, get the public services to respond to them, use bridges...etc.

We have a national problem where we are handing out to much. If people want a fix, its going to have to come on EVERYONES backs in taxes. Oh and BTW the so called RICH already pay 90% of the Federal tax bill. The CBO has already tried to run the numbers and make them work so bad for Obama but nothing adds up. Even if you took 100% of the so called rich's paycheck....its a drop in the bucket.

2 ways to fix this. Broaden the tax base by including everyone, which means no more thousands of dollars in tax returns for a lot of people, or cut spending drastically. All the other talk is just crap going down the toilet.

Thank God coasterfan isn't a business owner or leader. Taxing the so called rich at 90% would kill this country. There wouldn't be anymore doctors or people who go to school for 8+ years......I mean what would be the motivation to.......oh thats right, rack up millions in debt only to hand over 90% of your paycheck to the government so they can just give it out to those that are lazy. This type of thinking is just asinine and anyone with a business degree....even Obie would agree.

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Contango

@ BULLISDEEP:

Unfortunately, social entitlement spending is growing exponentially whereas "corp. welfare" is not.

Our society is spending, spending, spending and sending the bill to future generations.

coasterfan

How convenient that you don't seem to recognize that corp welfare is already at an impossibly high level. Of course, it's only a problem because conservatives don't seem to grasp the obvious fact that, if you almost completely cut off incoming revenue, It's impossible to continue offering even the most basic things Americans have none to rely upon. One wonders if they'll finally figure it out, as the bridge they are driving over, collapses underneath them.

Contango

@ coasterfan:

Yea, why not disregard the billions in fed, state and local tax dollars corps pay as well as all the jobs they provide?

Good luck, even the Dems have their sacred cows. LA - oil and gas.

Revisit Bowles-Simpson: Flatten the base, lower the tax rate. Mr. Obama asked for it and then ignored it.

goofus

Who can afford new cars to drive over those bridges!!! Thanks to union greed and their workers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/0...
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ca...

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arnmcrmn

@contango....that is exactly the formula the socialists want.

underthebridge

Read "A Bitter Pill" which is an in-depth analysis by Time magazine of why heathcare is so expensive and why good care has been difficult for the uninsured to access especially in the last ten years. Think about every hospital or healthcare organization in our area. NOMS = building. Firelands = building. Fisher-Titus = building. Magruder = building. Bellevue = building. Northcoast Cancer = building. Duplication of services under the disguise of competition bringing down prices. It is making some people very very wealthy and typically not those delivering the care (nurses, even some docs). Eye-opening article. 7 - 10 pages, but worth it.

http://healthland.time.com/2013/...

Contango

@ underthebridge:

Thanks for the link.

From my reading of a synopsis several days ago, the author advocates price controls.

With the lack of a free market economy, the Soviet Union had the heavily bureaucratic Gossnab to set prices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gos...

The Progressives think that they are smarter than those "dumb ol' Russians" and can succeed where they failed.

Price controls = lack of access and reduced quality.

coasterfan

"A Bitter Pill" is an excellent article and a must read for everyone. Of course, in Contango's world, it doesn't matter if everyday Americans are financially ruined as the result of a five day stay in the hospital. As long as we can keep the hospital CEO happy, all is just fine with him.

Contango

@ coasterfan:

Again with the straw man absurdity.

Obviously in coasterfan's world more govt. central planning eventually solves all socio-economic ills.

As long as we have well-paid bureaucrats at the helm until we crash on the shores of massive debt; all will be well.

The possibility of free market solutions would never cross his socialist mind.

coasterfan

Actually, I have had plenty of chance to see what free market solutions ( which is a euphemism for runaway greed) has done for America lately. Should we be surprised that more young Americans under age 28 favor socialism over capitalism? If people like Contango line up with capitalism, I don't blame them for choosing another path.

goofus

That's cause they don't want to work, they would rather stay in mom and dad's basement.

Contango

@ coasterfan:

So there is no "greed" in the hearts and minds of govt. central planning bureaucrats? lol

arnmcrmn

thats because the majority of people under 28 are still living off of mom and dad, spending every cent they make and wanting everything NOW. Forget doing what their mom and dad did, by working hard, saving and eventually getting to that point where they can retire and enjoy life.......nahhh, these kids want it now and want someone else to pay for it. Welcome to America 2.0

Centauri

The Tea Party should have never joined in with the Republicans. The Libertarians would have welcomed the Tea Party members.

http://www.teaparty.org/

http://www.teaparty.org/white-ho...

coasterfan

I was always surprised that everyday mainstream Republicans alllowed their party to get hijacked by a decided minority of tea party extremists. I do thank the tea party for handing the Democrats the 2012 election, along with the Dems continued Senate majority. There are 3-4 Senate seats that ended up swinging Democrat thanks to the Todd Akins and Richard Mourdocks and other tea party Neanderthals.

The biggest surprise of all is that they haven't seemed to learn anything from it. If it were me, it wouldn't take long to realize that reason my socks were wet/yellow was because I.d been piddling down my own leg. The tea party gang still operate as if they are a majority opinion in America, when they aren't even a majority opinion within their own party. They remind me of Garrison Keillor's assessment ofGeorge W. Bush: dead wrong and proud of it.

Contango

@ coasterfan:

The socialists "hijacked" the Democrats decades ago.

About the last old-line conservative Dem was Joe Lieberman and he was kicked out even after being the VP nominee. lol.

coasterfan

LOL is right. Where do you come up with this stuff?

arnmcrmn

Oh, lets talk about the Dems being hijacked by the whack job of a group known as Occupy " ". Yeah, they really had their stuff together......"insert sarcasm"

underthebridge

There used to be a law in Ohio and in other states called "Certificate of Need." A hospital or healthcare organization needed to apply to purchase a huge piece of equipment or to offer new services. They needed to demonstrate that the area needed the service or equipment and that it didn't represent a duplication of something already offered. I'm not sure of the exact time frame, but I believe that the law was abandoned about 15 years ago. What do we have now? In our area we have huge pieces of medical equipment (DaVinci Robot just purchased for Fisher Titus in Norwalk) that can't be paid off unless the fees are exorbitant. Then, I'm sure Firelands will buy one too because they will see it as a cash cow. You need to look no further than North Coast Cancer and Firelands Cancer Center as examples of duplication of services not promoting competition, not driving down prices, but making one side the loser (currently, Firelands which has not operated their cancer center at full capacity). I don't have all the answers, but I'd suggest reading the entire article and you will see the excesses are ridiculous.

Centauri

Good comment, underthebridge.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubm...
"Hospital service duplication: evidence on the medical arms race"

Centauri

http://bcn.boulder.co.us/health/...
"After the passage of the Medicare legislation in 1965, the government carelessly issued a blank check to hospitals and healthcare providers to scam billions of our tax dollars. The bills were paid by the government on the basis of "usual and customary" fees. Not only did the government pay the patients bill, but it allowed the hospitals to include capital costs (like expensive hi-tech toys and even hospital construction). Hospitals over built, and there was an enormous duplication of medical services and devices.

A direct outcome of all this was the amazing growth of the hospital corporations. Investors took control and ran the medical facilities not for service and care, but for profit. Today, the king of the lot is Columbia-HCA, its revenues exceeding $10 billion a year."

arnmcrmn

You can't tax and spend your way outta this mess. The numbers don't add up and every independent study agrees.

Gotta love liberals. They hate success and capitalism. Must come from some hidden jealousy because they know they have failed at some point in their life and feel like the person who did make it big, did it all illegally.

When one says "cooperate America" is squeezing every cent out of them, I'd really like proof instead of empty lines on a forum. Do you mean profit by a company is greed? If so, its simple......move out of America.

Contango

@ arnmcrmn:

"Move out"?

Unfortunately, the U.S. is one of the few countries in the world that taxes ya on the way out.

I read where some states are thinking of developing similar pay-to-leave programs.

The Big Dog's back

That's it. I'm invoking Big Dog's Law.

happyfeet64

You know I have sat here for over two years reading the same beeswax go back and forth about "our country is going into a dive" and China" owns us, etc. etc. And God forbid,there are people out there who need help. I'm not speaking of multigenerational families on welfare or the stereotype that only minorities collect cashaid. I am so sick of all of it!!! I grew up in a UPPER middleclass family in Huron, I have attended college, have a few degrees under my belt, had a nice CAREER with benefits until 15 years ago when I was diagnosed with HEP C. Due to side effects of the virus I had to cut back at work until I became so sick I couldn't work anymore. I LOST EVERYTHING- my home, my car, my diginity-EVERYTHING!!! I became homeless, had to meander thru a system I never even knew existed- food stamps,homeless shelters, free medical clinics and no money for medication.I ended up an insulin dependent diabetic (and later developed neuropathy to the point I can't feel anything below my knees)and neuropathy of my digestive system, (read about that for a horror story) I worked and slaved and paid my dues in this country and had so many doors closed on me when I needed help and because I was single I received nothing! I live in daily fear of dying of liver failure before I get a chance to see my kids grow up, a daily nightmare of injuring my legs or feet and having them amputated _ I LIVE IN FEAR!!!! I have a decent job again due to my continuing my education through student loans and grants and I have decent health coverage BUT THE DAMAGE IS DONE !!! Because of arrogant pompous asinine people such as yourselves who are so stuck up their own rearends they can't see reality! This is my country too _ where were you when I needed help? And where are you when others like me need help? Because now since I didn't get the help I needed then, my health conditions are going to cost 1000% more than if they would have been dealth with before. Because contrary to what you may have been told, There are more PEOPLE like I am than there are your so called welfare bloodsuckers!!!!

KURTje

The Tea Party people I know : a)Decided to go to college rather Vietnam. b) Born into much land & wanted farm welfare. c) Never knew lay-offs or job loss.

arnmcrmn

The big difference between Occupy and the Tea Party came down to one thing.....education. The educated mass paid their fees, permits and had a very organized assembly. The other was full of people doing drugs, public sex, rape, murder, using parks as bathrooms......and most had no clue what they were there for except that they wanted someone's money.

Truth or Fiction

Wow! A lot of name calling and political positioning. Entering this political debate goes against my better judgment but I can't help myself. First, rudeness is not limited to Democrat, Republican, or Tea Party member and these posts confirm this observation. Second, you can frame the argument under the guise of what is best for the citizenry of the U.S.A. but like it or not people, we are citizens of a socialist republic. Those who believe you can simply turn the switch off and not adversely affect millions of Americans' standard of living are not thinking right. Finally, the freedom to debate an issue is a right we must protect because it is from debate that great ideas and solutions are born.