Perkins Schools hosts levy discussion

Perkins Schools will officially kick off the effort to sway voters for two May tax levies and a new school building with a public meeting Wednesday.
Alissa Widman Neese
Feb 4, 2013

 

 

The goal is to recruit levy supporters for the upcoming campaign, but anyone can join the discussion, superintendent Jim Gunner said. It will begin at 7 p.m. in room 805 of Perkins High School.
“We encourage the community to come and become informed,” Gunner said.
 
Perkins Schools will propose two levies for the May ballot: A five-year renewal of a 2-mill permanent improvement levy and a 10-year, 4.98-mill emergency operating levy.
 
If approved, the operating levy would provide funds to construct a new building for both junior high and high school students.
 
Gunner and school board members will present information about the levies and a recent report from the Ohio School Facilities Commission addressing health and safety concerns in the current Perkins High School building.
 
A short question and answer session will follow.
 
“We expect civil discourse,” Gunner said. “The intent isn’t to turn the evening into a pro versus con debate of the levy, but if there are questions among taxpayers we’ll certainly try to answer those to the best of our ability.”
 
Want to go?
What: Perkins Schools Levy committee meeting  
When: 7 p.m. Wednesday
Where: Perkins High School, room 805
RSVP: Chris Gasteier, 419-625-2401 orcgasteier@perkinsschools.org

Comments

Perkins2060

VOTE NO ON BOTH LEVIES!

fenderstrat52

Whoa there Perkins! Didn't you hear? Kasich has got this! Has solution to your problem and every other school district in Ohio. FOUND MONEY, NO MORE WORRIES-Guaranteed! No need to burden the taxpayers. It's all good now.

donutshopguy

Bottom line....if you don't support the levy don't show up. They are not going to answer any tough questions or get into a debate on issues.

Tell it how it is.

I think they should show up to have their voices heard. And actual suggestions on how to eventually replace buildings. Everybody is so smart on here instead of getting involved.

Tell it how it is.

I think they should show up to have their voices heard. And actual suggestions on how to eventually replace buildings. Everybody is so smart on here instead of getting involved.

donutshopguy

There is so much civil unrest with the county and the school both putting up two levies each, my fear is the who bunch will go down in flames. Do these entities communicate? This is a poor strategy for both.

It looks like a money grab by public sector bureaucrats.

The Bizness

I would vote yes if I lived in Perkins.

I would also prefer Sandusky and Perkins to combine into one school district but we all know that won't happen.

Perkins2060

Glad you don't live here.

wiredmama222

I would agree with that one. In fact, I think Sandusky and Perkins should join up completely....and I do live here.

donutshopguy

Your choice is more protection (police) or a new building for education (kids).

Police or Kids. Tough choice for taxpayers.

goodtime1212

They can have all the meeting they want. Donutshopguy is correct. There is soooo much distrust it wont matter. They are just political salesman trying to sell themselfs. Its been said a million times, if Mr. Gunner cares so much why didnt he do what he had to do to move here like he said he would?

boats2525

Property values down, criticism abounds. We have a leader who has no personal gain in this, except to help a community move forward into the future and all we do is find reason to keep going backwards. Very sad. Until we get behind this and start being supportive, our property value will continue to tank and our loss will never be recovered. Just ask someone who lives in Sandusky. If property value has no more meaning to you than that........ We need positive people.

wiredmama222

YEP...that is exactly right. Without that nothing gets accomplished.

dwa9995294

I will vote for the township levy before the school levy.

donutshopguy

boats2525,

Yep, he has no personal financial responsibility to the decisions he makes.

wiredmama222

do you live in the district?

Perkins2060

Property value is a joke. I'm not selling anytime soon. I want a low value so I pay less taxes.

Don't listen to the nonsense about property values.

reader

Hey now, don't you want your kids` school building to be as nice as the football stadium ?

goodtime1212

only one question, if the voters say NO AGAIN to no new taxes for a new school, will ingnore it and build anyway?

Perkins2060

Yes they will and the layoffs will start.

goodtime1212

Oh yea, one more. Why if money is so tight is the BOE paying to fly teachers here from China, paying them hourly, paying there rent on a house, repairing the house after they trashed it ( that did happen )? How many kids NEED to learn Chines in high school. So much waisted money!

Imataloss

It's called grant money. Educate yourself of where the money comes from.

Lil DAB

http://voteno43410.webs.com/
More than ever the voter needs to be informed!

SamAdams

It never ceases to amaze me how, every time a government entity has a problem, they throw money at it. You'd think those problems would have long since been solved if money was the answer, wouldn't you?

Government needs to do the same thing every successful business or responsible citizen needs to do: Establish a reasonable budget that's WITHIN YOUR MEANS; and then STICK to it! Government obviously prefers to stick it to the taxpayer instead...

I'm voting NO on any and ALL levies until some level of responsibility gets through the heads of those in charge. I cut back; YOU cut back. Pretty simple, isn't it? My business spends its money wisely; YOU spend your money smarter, and with more efficiency. Again, not that hard. Unfortunately, "common sense" and "goverment" seem to have just about zero overlapping areas...

Tell it how it is.

What should they cut back on? Be helpful and give suggestions. 1/2 day kindergarten, cut jobs, cut pay, cut maintenance, What should be cut. And they will still have unsafe buildings. How is your business able to spend money wisely. What maintenance techniques have you used.

Tell it how it is.

What should they cut back on? Be helpful and give suggestions. 1/2 day kindergarten, cut jobs, cut pay, cut maintenance, What should be cut. And they will still have unsafe buildings. How is your business able to spend money wisely. What maintenance techniques have you used.

9299

Sam Adams: so you'll be voting no on "all levies" including Health Dept., Police, Township, Metroparks, EHOVE, Senior Services, and so on?

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BW1

The most respected, coveted, and highly rated educational institutions in the nation, the Ivy League schools, manage to prepare the leaders of tomorrow in buildings many of which are older than this nation. Oxford and Cambridge educate world leaders in buildings that were old when this continent was discovered. I learned multivariable calculus in a building built for the 1904 World's Fair, but Gunner and company can't figure out how to teach basic algebra in a building that's younger than some of the people working in it.

Tell it how it is.

Yea and I just looked up tuition for those.

Tuition Required Fees Book & Supplies Living Costs
Brown University $ 41,328 $ 902 $ 1,312 $ 12,608
Columbia University in the City of New York $ 43,088 $ 2,202 $ 1,040 $ 12,878
Cornell University $ 41,325 $ 216 $ 800 $ 14,784
Dartmouth College $ 41,736 $ 1,260 $ 1,851 $ 13,791
Harvard University $ 36,305 $ 3,546 $ 1,000 $ 15,149
Princeton University $ 37,000 $ 865 $ 1,200 $ 14,869
University of Pennsylvania $ 37,620 $ 4,478 $ 1,160 $ 14,102
Yale University $ 40,500 $ 0 $ 3,150 $ 14,600

Good Comparison BW1.

I think the 9-10K Perkins spends per pupil is a great value. And are you saying that all of their buildings are old? I am sure a google search will show they have some new buildings.

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BW1

Of course they have some new buildings, but they also manage to educate quite effectively in buildings far older than anything Perkins has, as do most universities. Some of Ohio's most highly respected private schools also do a darn good job in far older buildings, some while spending less per pupil than Perkins.

And yet, public school officials are constantly claiming that they can't teach effectively if the buildings are older than the students. One's perception of what is necesssary and/or possible depends largely on whether one is accountable for the resources used.

Paige Doster

Chinese classes are being paid by a grant.Chinese is great for children to learn. We offer Spanish and French, is there a difference? If you don't know facts don't write. You all seem to have all the answers on running a school. I hope you run for the School Board with all your ideas. Support who you vote in, go let them know your true feelings at a meeting. This blog makes me sick! And by the way the "Football Stadium" is not just a football stadium but a Soccer, Band and Physical Fitness class "Stadium "too. Privately funded by proud Perkins Pirates.

donutshopguy

Paige,

Sorry to burst your bubble but the athletic complex was not totally funded through public donation.

If you don't know the facts don't write them.

9299

DonutGuy: It's already been widely established that the stadium was built with about 50% private funds and donated time or materials. That was a heck of an effort by the boosters and others in the community to make that happen. So, I think it's a bit nit-picky to point out that the entire project wasn't funded by public donations. I wonder how many of the negative commenters on here have attended an event held in the new facilities to watch students perform athletically, musically, or at a community sponsored event?

Paige is also correct about the Chinese teachers and travel, possibly even a part of salary and insurance. Much (if not all-not sure there) is paid by the company/Chinese gov't that supplies the teachers.

goodtime1212

The rent, and repairs to the house were not covered from a grant.

donutshopguy

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Personal attacks (including: name calling, presumption of guilt or guilt by association, insensitivity, or picking fights).

Perkins2060

Vote no.

9299

Vote yes

Perkins2060

You have absolutely no shot of either levy passing. Keep dreaming.

Mallory01

Will be nice to see how this forum is received......

underthebridge

There is so much misinformation about the district and a lot of it has to do with finances.

Donutshopguy is right. Stadium: Only half of the stadium was paid for by private donations. The other half is being paid for by taxpayer funds.

Laptops: Many people have wrongly said that the laptops are being paid for by a grant. That is not true. The trainings are being paid for by grants, but the laptops are leased and that has been renewed at least once at a cost of $2.7 million.

Windmills: Many people have said that the windmills were paid for by a grant. We know now that the district is seeking a reimbursement for their funds from the company who installed them.

Chinese: Who knows? I've heard grant.

goodtime1212

hEY UNERTHEBRIDGE you are correct, I remember them saying that it was paid for from grant. I thought it was a stuiped idea but if no money came from the tax payers then maybe it would work out and we would not be out anything. NOW the are waiting for money hmmmm. Might be one more quastion to ask. One more hole for them to dig out of.

9299

Where are your numbers and information coming from?

Perkins2060

Lies, lies, and more lies. From the Board to Gunner to the paid "consultants".

donutshopguy

Everyone please understand. With the change made last year in moving funds from outside millage to inside millage the new proposed operating levy is truly a building levy. This disguise was brought to you by your board of education and orchestrated by your superintendent.

They could have given the taxpayers a straight forward levy for building but chose some smoke and mirrors to cloud the issue.

You must ask yourself why a straight forward approach was not taken?

samiam

Because they tried the straight forward approach...TWICE...and the voters said NO both times. They won't do it again because they don't want to be told NO again. They threw their tantrum like a spoiled 5 yr old and moved the inside millage, which will raise your taxes without you getting to vote on it.

Cowboy

I got your discussion right here.........VOTE NO!

Perkins2060

VOTE NO AND NO!

Wald

Voting No

HS Sports Fan

Most of the businesses in Sandusky are along Rt.250 in Perkins. There should be alot of tax money being generated there? Does the school recieve anything from this?

9299

Most of the property taxes paid to the school come from commercial property. However, remember that the district is locked into collecting only the amount approved by voters from any levy. If property values go up, the auditor makes adjustments so that the district still receives only the actual dollars approved from the levy. The district should see an increase in property tax collections from new construction/businesses. However, local gov'ts and districts typically award tax abatements to major developments to entice them to build and provide jobs so districts and local gov't may not be able to collect the full amount of property tax for some years (Lake Crest Shopping area, Kalahari, for example). There is not enough new development in Perkins Township to make up for the short fall from the state and inflationary cost increases (due to HB 920)

fredinperkins

Approximately sixty percent of my residential taxes are applied to the school district. Please explain "most" taxes come from commercial property. Propery values mean nothing if an "emergency" levy is passed. The school will still get $2.15 per year for ten years!!! Your tax RATE will increase to maintain that. The school districts vote on tax abatements, so the inability to collect the full amount of tax is their choice. Again, perhaps an argument for regionalization of schools?

wiredmama222

May I ask what the TOTAL millage would be for a house of about 90,000 would be? Just a ballpark figure would do.

donutshopguy

9299,

And on the flip side if your property value was decreased by the Erie County auditor your portion owed to the schools did not decrease the same. The school system is guaranteed a specific amount of money no matter the change in property value.

The only way to change the amount of money allocated for the schools is by vote.

9299

The problem with the guaranteed amount is it never adjusts for inflation. So as costs to school districts rises, there is no mechanism for districts to recover from the lowered real dollars due to less purchasing power. During the 1970s when inflation was out of control, HB 920 was passed to keep districts from "benefitting" from high inflation that was driving up property values crazily. It has been years since our inflation rate has been that high. Many districts would rarely have to ask for additional money for routine operations if revenues were able to be adjusted in line with inflation.

donutshopguy

Like government the schools believe they know how to spend your money better than you do. They want to remove your ability to vote on issues and money allocated.

Do not give up your constitutional rights.

The ability to have a check and balance on our school prevents major misdeeds.

9299

I disagree with the tone of your statement. The people who are hired to run districts and represent voters are going to attempt to make responsible decisions about how to spend tax dollars. You have every right to attend meetings and ask for an accounting of where the money goes. If citizens think it a "waste" of money to upgrade technology for students, then are the district administrators and board members wrong if they disagree and elect to provide the technology for the students because they see a short and long term need for students to have that knowledge. Sometimes, community members want nothing to change; if chalk and slates were good enough for them forty years ago, then the same is good for today. Some community members decry the way money is being spent but don't take the time needed to contact those responsible or to try to understand why the decision was made. I said it before and say it again, most citizens who run for office are not looking to fleece the taxpayers or waste money. They are engaged in trying to help the community move forward. If the critics have the answers, then there should be more people filing paperwork for elected office.

oldpirate

The school board paid for the track and some of the bleachers as they should because those two things needed repair anyways. Nice job Alex. Good to see you valued your education and see the need to make sacrifices for your community.

Mallory01

Really? You have to RSVP? Is that so they know who is going and can avoid their questions? That is crazy! RSVP indeed!

Wald

Vote no 'till Gunner goes.

donutshopguy

9299,

Talk with your superintendent. His desire is to have all millage inside millage so he doesn't have to be dependent on the voting public. Or he would rather have an income tax rather than a voted millage so he doesn't have to deal with the public and rely on them.

Let the public decide.

Sorry, no free reign by bureaucrats. At least at the local level.

9299

Funny, I've been to meetings and listened to the interview(s) on with the Register and haven't heard the superintendent mention those thoughts. The next superintendent will get the same building reports from the experts who evaluate school buildings. Changing superintendents will not make the building or local levy situation any better. We'll just keep pushing the facilities and operational levy issue into the future and watch the costs and operating levy amounts continue to rise until the situation reaches desperation; this will cost us much more in the future.

The makeup of the school board has changed over the past few years; new members have been elected. Apparently the new members also see a need for the facilities issue (which began before Gunner was hired). Or, perhaps there is a conspiracy, and the only people who run for school board are those who are looking to "fleece" their fellow community members. Or perhaps, the civic minded people who ran for the school board and who must put up with all of the slings and arrows of their fellow citizens and are trying to keep the only community center in Perkins Township a viable and effective educational and community event facility.

The real culprits in this whole debate are the people, who back in the 1950s, convinced Perkins residents that a school was needed for the township children. Boy, if that hadn't happened, we would all have graduated from Sandusky schools and wouldn't be having this discussion. Everyone would be happier, taxes would be lower- - or --maybe not: Sandusky has passed more levy increases than Perkins in the last fifteen years; plus, Sandusky has an income tax. It's possible that our current tax burden would be higher.

Speakezy

Alex your comments are idiotic! Your parents are 2 of the highest paid teachers in the state and live in Vermilion on the water! What property do you own in Perkins that you pay taxes on?

skidoo3777

Just so everyone knows, Alex Kinsel does not even live in Perkins. He lives in California. Why did the register even let him speak, he's not a taxpayer in the Township. But both of his parents are Perkins Teachers. I guess that explains it.

Perkins2060

I can't believe anyone in their right mind thinks either of the levies has a chance.

underthebridge

To his credit, the guest column by Kinsel is cleverly written. I just don't agree that wanting a new building equals deserving a new building.

donutshopguy

It's the difference between "want" and "need". People want a lot of stuff but do they really need it.

It's the school board and administration's job to make their case.

The reason of safety and health has been undermined by the Board of Health.
The reason of an old building has been undermined by the public that only a small portion is from 1909.
There seems to be a mistrust with the superintendent not living in the district.
Four levies on the ballot from the school and township look overwhelming to taxpayers.
Taxpayers are frustrated with bureaucrats taking more of their money. Because citizens can vote on these additional taxes there maybe a backlash from the federal tax increase without a vote.

That's my overview at this time.

samiam

The township is only putting one levy on the ballot, not two. At least that is what the trustees have said.

Truth or Dare

Superficial (adj.); 1. Shallow, not deep. 2. Small or insignificant; 3. Relating to or affecting only the surface of something.

Synonyms: Shallow, outward, empty, surface, trivial, cosmetic, cursory.

Antonyms: Significant, deep, profound.

I'll never forget when I threw a B-day party/sleep-over for our oldest child who was turning 7, some 20 yrs. ago this year. All of his new little best pals were over. One of his gifts was a brand new pair of Wrangler Jeans. He didn't want those kind anymore! After all, they weren't Oshkosh bygosh, like all his little buds were wearing! The article of 2/5, nothing more than a demeaning manor in trying to get your arguement across as to what you WANT, rather than truely need, let alone can afford!

Our children are Perkins graduates. I think I can honestly say w/o sarcasm, that the cosmetics of the building itself had absolutely nothing to do with what helped them get through 13 yrs. of school. It did however have everything to do with concerned and caring Teachers and most of Administration. Personally, I've always felt the school-setting is important in helping (key word help) to build Character within children. You know, that's that thing, the substance that comes from the inside, from the heart and soul of an individual. It's quite important in instilling EMPATHY FOR OTHERS!

It seems many prefer to remain blind, or are at least protected from the fact that this country and many within it are doing their best to claw their way out of a far-reaching RECESSION, one that hasn't ended, looks to get worse, and reaches all the way out to the BANKRUPT STATE OF CALIFORNIA!

I would venture to say that the Twnshp. has Seniors as well other Residents that are keeping their hands in their pockets and their heads just above water and are hanging onto those 2 dimes for now! Maybe rubbing them together, doing some Creative Math of their own! Their main concern isn't paying an extended cable bill. They've more than likely already cut it down to basics, or cancelled altogether. They're also more than likely doing their best in paying ever-increasing medicare/prescrip./health insurance/home insurance, maybe trying to come up w/the $$$'s for deductibles for repairs due to Mother Nature, you know, so the roof doesn't continue leaking, or the siding continues to blow off! They'll need gasoline in their vehicle ($4.50something a gallon in Cali.), not to mention possible repairs, or groceries in their fridge (a LB. of lunchmeat in Cali can run over $10.00). How about ever-increasing utilites to be paid, or even just the mortgage. That way they won't find themselves in the Foreclosure line, along w/millions of Americans. Then there are those trying to do the same after job/benefit loss, and not due to anything they did! Any idea what the monthly premiums are for decent private health insurance, of which rises every year! ALOT! They do their best to keep a roof over their children's head. Whether they own it, or not! Excuse me, whether the bank owns it, or not! WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD, and that's not the world of so-called Reality T.V.!

It sure would be nice to have a new, beautiful school. However, I'm curious to know what School Administrators (all the way to the State) and those so willing to spend $50 Million are doing to address the fact that at least 20 freakin years ago our Ohio Supreme Court ruled that funding for Public Schools through property taxes is UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Any answers to that important question?

9299

I don't necessarily disagree that some people are struggling (yep, I don't have a lot of extra cash either). However, I would be more inclined to agree if over the past 13 years EHOVE, Senior, Metroparks, Health Dept. and other levies hadn't passed. If our community is so destitute, then how do all the others get support financially?

9299

The governor is going to redistribute money to address the "inequality" of funding. That means money will be withheld from "property rich" districts and sent to other poorer districts. Since Perkins is considered to be property rich, our district won't get any help from the state. The governor, in the long run, would favor privatization of public education, I suspect. One way to achieve that goal is to choke off funding.

Private for profit charters are not performing too well. Maybe 1/3 do better than the average public school, but the rest do poorly on most comparative measures.

donutshopguy

9299,

Isn't the governor's redistribution of funds the philosophy of our present administration in Washington? Guess people don't like redistribution when it comes out of their pocket close to home. Surprise, Surprise.

donutshopguy

Truth,

If the state funds education or local taxpayers fund education the money will still come out of your pocket. The state doesn't print their own money. It comes from you the taxpayer. It's a mute point.

Truth or Dare

Thanks dsg, I get that whole thing about the taxes coming out of pocket. As for this, if it's true they're gonna build regardless of the levy NOT passing, any conversation (levy discussion) is a mute point.

luvblues2

(moot) (For further reference)

donutshopguy

Truth,

Correct.

Truth or Dare

Thanks luv. Unlike others, I'm not offended by constructive correction/criticism. Different words, different meanings. Pretty sure there won't be a whole lot of mute folks sitting in on the discussion. Although I'm pretty sure there are those that wish they were!

underthebridge

How did I get the idea that the new building was only (ha ha) $10 million. They are proposing a building that costs between $ 53 - 57 million.

Not. In. A. Million. Years.

whocares

Hey is Perkins going to have a soccer team this year?