JUST IN: Bellevue superintendent cleared of sexual harassment allegations

BELLEVUE Bellevue Schools board members were wrong to terminate William "Bud' Martin&rsq
Sandusky Register Staff
May 24, 2010

 

BELLEVUE

Bellevue Schools board members were wrong to terminate William “Bud” Martin’s contract, a report released Friday states.

Though he made crass remarks, Martin, the embattled superintendent, never sexually harassed employees and never created a hostile work environment, the report concluded.

Martin said the whole thing was a "blind-sighted affair" and that he performed his job well and knew he had not done anything wrong.

Read more in Saturday's Register.

Comments

starryeyes83

Big surprise, ain't it?

Redmenproud

Not sure if the findings are correct or not, but the schools and the community have both moved on. Levies were passed and pride was restored in the community. Anyone who ever dealt with "Bud" knows the condescending holier than thou attitude he has. The town, schools, and faculty and staff are better off without him. Not sure anyone will hire him again- not sure why they would. We are on the right track with the leadership we have in place now- His arrogance was proclaimed when he directly called the Gazette and I'm assuming the Register last night to gloat that he was innocent even before the findings were released. I do believe the school board needs to fight the judgment but if not, heck, we are all better off just paying the jerk to leave the area and never hear from him again!

Bellevue Dad

I don't believe it for one minute. The community is much better off without "Bud" and the schools are finally calm. Bud was a miserable leader who pushed people around and acted like a dictator. I hope that the school board fights this decision. Thank God we have Kim running things now and are on our way to restoring the school system we had before this dictator arrived and attempted to destroy us.

Most Wanted

IF these findings are correct Bellevue schools are in for a lawsuit. IF these findings are correct and your school and community are better off without "Bud" you picked the wrong way to get rid of him. Charging sexual harrassment is not the way to get rid of someone. Ruining a persons reputation is not the way to get rid of someone.

bobaluey

I, as a woman, am still astounded that grown women would pirouette in front of him & his friend , unless, of course, all of them were in cahoots, in order TO get rid of him. IF- that was the case, good move ladies.

disgusted mother

Finally lets put this to rest and put the focus back on the students and what they are going through. The schools are far from "calm". They are a joke. What I want to know is what happened to all the other employees at the board who "played along" with all the games.

disgusted mother

Why do they still have jobs

Ned Mandingo

I guess shady lawyers can accomplish anything. what about the fact that he admitted he lied on expense reports and his "meetings" in sandusky. This guy is a complete scumbag. He felt he was better than people in Bellevue and now this con artist will milk us for a few years free pay. He is arogant enough to think the levy passed because of his haard work. let me tell you the levy passed because we now have good leadership who people trust. Let me give you some advice "bud" don't ever show you face in bellevue again. You might get you hillbillie teeth punched in.

Freedom Writer

Bellevue Schools: where sports alumni come back to be sub-mediocre teachers and administrators(or special ed teachers) What do you expect from a school system that builds fieldhouses and weight rooms instead of Science wings or Engineering wings. The new superintendant was gonna be the wife of the Athletic Director. Bellevue is an educational joke. If your kids show any promise of higher education PLEASE don't send them to Bellevue, they don't want any of those nerd types. Big kids is what they want

HKS

The only mistake here was to sign him to a 3 year contract to begin with.

Good luck on your future endeavors, Bud. You've obviously learned no humility at all in this process, and the same character flaws that got you into this mess will surface in your next job sooner or later.

indolent indiff...

JUSTICE IS SERVED
Cangrats Mr. Martin, now sue them for doing this to your career and lets have a party with dancing girls!

trucker

It doesn't matter if you all did NOT like him
Typical..
Demonize your ememy
Try and distroy him..
can anyone say BACKFIRE

Other example of anyone can say anything. and destroy another

Ned Mandingo

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joshlew

Wow. I called this outcome out from miles away six months ago....hate to say "I told you so" Mr Mandingo.

A child would have arrived at the same conclusion.

OF COURSE this would be the conclusion at the end of the day. Now the question is this: how will taxpayers address the cronyism and wholesale fleecing of resources given to those who have STOLEN their jobs through false accusation? Not only are the methods used to oust Mr. Martin highly unethical, but they are systemic in Bellevue's school system apparently.
Fall out of favor with a few and you may just be out of a job, or worse out of a lifelong career.

"new superintendant was gonna be the wife of the Athletic Director."

Is this true? God bless America?!

I hope Mr. Martin sues these fools right back into the stone ages from whence they came.

HKS

"Fall out of favor with a few and you may just be out of a job, or worse out of a lifelong career."

Wow, that pretty much describes every job in the free world.

No matter what rules, regulations, or union rules exist, every single person who was ever fired from a job lost it because at some point someone else in the company lost faith in them to do the job well.

Or to put it another way--you don't have to make a lot of enemies. Just the right ones.

Bud had both.

Ned Mandingo

This ruleing doesn't change the fact that he said the creepy things he said. This doesn't change the fact he lied on expense reports, stealing for the school system. Or that he lied about meetings with people who testified they have never met him. If he files a lawsuit it could take years to do to court. This doesn't mean a jury will rule in favor of him, he could get nothing.

topotheworld

Stand tough Bellevue. The community must stand together against this blow.

And is it true that Shumaker School will be closing next year because of it's unsafe for the kids? With 2 more years before the first shovel of dirt is tossed for the new school to be built, and two schools currently closed (Ellis/Lyme) where will these kids go?

Just remember, it's not over until the marionette stings of the 'Howdy Doody doll' are severed forever.

Redmenproud

Freedom Writer- please stay out of our town, don't drive through it, don't think about it or read about it!

No school system ever uses booster money to build academic wings, hence the name ATHLETIC BOOSTERS. Apparently you know very little about our system or the pride we have in our community, schools, and athletic programs. Kind of sounds like sour grapes pouring out you- perhaps we kicked you tail one time or another in sports!

The Good-Bad-Ugly

I’m still amazed at how none of you do not seem to blame the school board members for yet another mess involving the Bellevue Schools. They ALL are solely responsible for this mess by failing to use common sense and not hire Scruci or Schubert (Not a fan of hers, has no kids and claims to know what’s best for them) instead of Mr. Martin in the first place. Then they ALL add to it by hiring Hykes. How dumb are you people ? The problem with the School Board members are that some of them lack pure common sense and 1 has a personal agenda to keep her entire family employed and protected. Now I understand she even has her grand- daughter in-law beside her, smart move Bellevue. This Martin mess will cost the district and taxpayers dearly to get rid of him.
And for “Redmenproud” you must be one of the drunken fools with the Gridiron foundation that couldn’t move on after High School. Most of you people are drunks that walk around with your noses in the air thinking your somebody but you have more skeletons in the closet then anyone else.

Redmenproud

Good-Bad-Ugly

No, not in the least. Not part of the Foundation at all just very involved in the town and schools through my children. While I do agree with you about not hiring Mr. Scruci or Mrs. Schubert earlier I stand firm that athletic boosters work solely for one purpose- to advance and contribute to the athletic programs. We have passed the bond issue to provide updates and new science wings etc. I believe that if you personally know any members of the foundation you will see that all moved on after high school but all have taken a vested interest in the community, schools, and students that we are molding in Bellevue. Perhaps you should sit down with the members and find out what they all do for a living and how committed they are. Perhaps you should find a cause to commit yourself to rather than bashing a group whom you only think you know.

joshlew

Of the littany of charges....each and every one knocked down as completely false and without basis....by an impartial party! Like I said earlier, this speaks to corruption, not any wrong doing on Mr. Martin's part.

Ned Mandingo

good bad ugly, you seem to have some serious issues you need to work on. The people i know in the gridiron don't match your description at all. Maby you have some kind of gealously issue. why don't you organize a group of people and do something for the children instead of insulting people who do.
I must agree with you that the board made a huge mistake hiring this fool. And that some members of the board were there for the wrong reasons. They have been voted out and the last mess to clean up is the issue with this creep they hired. And that is what this article is about.

Ned Mandingo

Corruption? this speaks of a shady lawyer getting him off. He is a complete scumbag who thinks he is better than everyone in bellevue. Now this jerk is going to take the typical path of a leach, sue them. I wish he would go back to whatever hillbillie state he came from before moving to ohio.

The Good-Bad-Ugly

“Redmenproud”
I know the members and their families personally. I know their dirty little secrets but have no desire to open the closet door so don’t preach to me. It would serve no purpose and that is not what the article is about. They support a coach that has some serious issues that need to be dealt with but yet he remains. I wonder why that is? You seem fairly intelligent but you are obviously driving on a cloud and are not very well informed about what goes on behind closed doors in the Bellevue Community.

“Ned Mandingo”
Same goes for you “Ned”! How well do you really think you know someone ? Stop claiming to know everything “Ned”, you haven’t even lived here that long. And I knew it was only a matter of time before someone like you was going to place all the blame on the other 2 board members. The other 3 board members were counting on people like you to do this. “they have been voted out and the last mess to clean up is the issue with this creep they hired”. Give me a break “Ned “get with the program. I believe the vote to hire Mr. Martin was unanimous 5-0 and the same goes for Mr. Hykes. The fact is that the school board is and has been incompetent for quite some time. “Bev” and “Ted” need to go!

Freedom Writer

Bellevue Schools: where overhead projectors are the "newest technology".

Bellevue Schools: where Nepotism still THRIVES.

Bellevue Schools: where the good teachers keep their head down (and shake their heads in disgust.)
I do feel badly for the teachers who are actually qualified to teach and have good teaching ethics, yet are stuck in Bellevue because of the horrible economic conditions.

Bellevue the City: where you only drive through it to get to Norwalk or Clyde

Redmenproud

Good-Bad-Ugly,

Let me get this straight- you criticize the Foundation because you don't like the people or what they do in their private lives correct? Although they have given the town and athletes something to be very proud of you continue to bash because obviously, you are not fond of one coach. I certainly hope you have proof regarding this "one coach" and are not simply believing rumors that run rampant throughout a small town.

As far as our school board goes I agree that there are some members who are not as qualified as others to make decisions. However, regarding the "granddaughter-in-law" don't you agree that as far as resumes go she was more than qualified to run for and be elected to the board? I, for one, would like a person with some educational experience to make the decisions for us. We run into problems when those with absolutely no experience in the schools make those decisions. And no, the two who just got off don't count- yes they had educational experience, at least one a teacher, but their personal agendas clouded their views and decisions. Yes, the Bud mess will cost us plenty, but did you also read his arrogant comments in the article? We are far better off without him, but obviously you are too busy peaking behind closed doors to understand that.

Ned Mandingo

first off, i have lived here my entire life. Second i refered to the two board members because you were bringing up the past. If you want to go into the past lets go back further. To when the two board members got elected with one thing on their list. Fire the past supertendant. Thats what started this chain of events, rember citizens for change? If it wasn't for those two board members we would never have heard of these two jerks. so, i do blame former board members but you can't change the past.

Freedom Writer

So we've all had some fun torturing the Sports fanatics of Bellevue. But here's the thing the Bellevue people need to remember (or learn for the first time): High School sports is a MEANS to an END, not the End. For the Bellevue people let me translate. High School is for preparing students for college or real life. Sports is but a 'part' of that. It helps build teamwork, responsibility etc. It is NOT for the glory of the coaches. Kids move on to be adults and have real consequences to the education they have received. Bellevue raises money for SPORTS stuff but not EDUCATION stuff. This is putting priorities in the wrong places. ALL the old Bellevue athletes simply can't come back to be teachers so they can coach, it is a matter of putting 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound box.
Lets hope the next School levy they don't try to outlaw books and make all the secretaries be coaches too. The term dumb jock did not invent itself. God Bless and keep pumping out that overpass.

Redmenproud

Freedom Writer,

Obviously you are not a sports fan nor did you ever play competitive athletics during school. Athletics teaches so much more than teamwork and responsibility, however, you would never understand that fact. You would be hard pressed in this entire area to find a coach who is in it for the glory. ALL coaches, boys, girls, football, basketball, track coach for the love of the sport and the ability to teach, mentor and teach kids to win. A good coach brings with him or her the ability to motivate, instill pride and dedication, and push their athletes to a different level. ALL coaches not just Bellevue coaches!

If you have been paying attention at all the citizens of Bellevue just passed a huge bond issue to pay for new schools. Huh, you're right, we never raise money for educational "stuff".

By the way, did you get out your 5 pound box all by yourself?

GO REDMEN

For the first time in several years there is a real positive atmosphere present in the Bellevue City Schools. We are building new schools, our test scores are among the highest in the area (although we don't have the best resources), and the leadership in place has a vested interest in the community. I have one question. Why is it bad to encourage our children and students to go off to college, get a degree, and then come home to teach and coach? As a father, is it bad that I pray for my children to come back home when they are finished with college? I would be very proud if my children decide to teach/coach in Bellevue.
I am not going to criticize any individuals on this page because that should take place face to face at council and board meetings. I just want to say GO REDMEN!!!!

Ned Mandingo

Why do all these articles turn into bashing athletics and the new field house? Why all the jealous hate towards the people who donated time and money to build that for the students. Are you a former band nerd freedom writer? why don't you organize your people and raise money for a cause important to you instead of hating on others.

starryeyes83

Is winning the only thing the kids are taught, don't forget it takes tax dollars to do the upkeep and utilities on that field house, doesn't it? Or do people volunteer to pay the bills on their own?

Freedom Writer

The more you 'Defenders of the Sports Altar' write on here, the more you make my point. Could one of you at least say that sports is not the most important thing in life, let alone school. Can you say out loud that math is more important as a life tool than knowing what a Cover 2 is? If sports is the most important thing to you , you had better be making money at it because at the end of the day it is just entertainment, pure and simple. Sports never built a bridge. Sports never delivered a baby. How many of those kids over there get scholarships and actually graduate from college. That would be an interesting statistic. Maybe you could get a band nerd to figure that out for you.

bongodog

I'm a band nerd. Two cover 2's equals a cover 4. Duh.

Redmenproud

Freedom-
You are missing the entire point here. Those kids who are great in school will be great in school regardless. It is those kids who need the extra push or motivation in order to complete school or remain eligible that sports benefits. Sports unites the school and the town with a common bond. Do you think the only kids who go to the games on Friday are sports fans? You seem to further be missing the point that sports involves more than football, hence your cover 2 reference. You know, girls are involved in sports also. Check and see what Title IX says would you please. And come off your high horse, you think Bellevue is the only community who supports their programs? Huron, Clyde, Fremont - wow I wonder who paid for all those beautiful fields? And yeah, go ahead and tell me Kalahari paid for Huron's - in a way they did, but couldn't Huron have simply sold the passes for a new band room instead?

ragtop66

For years emphasis has been placed on sports, even as far back as the '50's. What to me is sad, is the fact that schools have done away with physical education which every child had to participate in, home economics and wood shop. All of these taught children skills needed for life; healthy exercise and teamwork, homemaking skills, and handy-man skills needed around the home. It was a definate mistake in hiring Martin, another one in hiring Hykes, they were both arrogant and thought themselve to be above everyone else.

Redmenproud

Ragtop,

High school students still need to take 2 years of physical education in high school. Almost every school then offers some sort of advanced PE to students- it is a student choice. Almost every school offers home ec to students- most offer a wide range of home ec. classes adn some, but not all, offer woodshop etc. Woodshop and the hands-on classes are now taugth at Ehove, although Bellevue still does have a woodshop class.

Bailey

If that jerk said those things to my wife there would not have to be a 'review' of his firing, it would have been a review if I was to be charged for manslaughter or murder 1.

The guy is a SCUM bag, and all who support this creep is the same.

I wonder why the youth of today are turning out bad! They have leaders with such low standards being around them for 8 to ten hours a day, more hours than the parents.

Personally, I think the guy should have been tared and feathered and told you come back your gonna get worse.

Summerbreeze

I am appalled at the fact that any human being can justify what this crud did and said! He is a CREEP! My question though is this...why did it take so long for these women to come forward? Were they afraid for their job? Why didn't the husbands or significant others step in and stop this unprofessional sloth? In case people are unaware of a few thinigs, let me enlighten you...if someone says something that is offensive to you, and it is perceived as such, then it is WRONG! Whether the intent was to offend or not, it's the perception that counts! That goes for youmen and women outthere who call others, "honey, babe, cutie", ect.

The Good-Bad-Ugly

The whole point of the article is that Martin is going to win, we as a community are going to lose. This will cost us dearly and who’s fault is it? The whole (not 2) School Board is at fault for hiring him in the first place, plain and simple. Then they fired him the wrong way. If they would have done it the right way he would have been fired or resigned and got nothing. The school board had the perfect opportunity in the beginning to hire either Scruci or Schubert but once again failed to use good COMMON SENSE and hired Martin instead. I’m still in disbelief over that. That’s my point, poor decision making.

REDMENPROUD you seem to be a nice person but you are definitely driving on a cloud. You should educate yourself about school board members. They are not encourage to be educational professionals for a reason. Several heads on the School board should roll. “Ted” and “Bev” should resign over this. And the other one is just going to be a Bobblehead for “Bev”. I think Diane and Valerie desire a chance

simplemynded

I'm getting really fed up with the semantics of the Bellevue Board of Education and the Good Ole Boy cronies that support them.The reason this district is in the shape that it is in is simple,PRIORITIES!The school board and administrators want you to believe that it's all about the kids when in reality it's all and completely about backscratching and politics.The bright voters of Bellevue just approved a bond levy to build two new schools that they can't afford to operate after they're built.And on the athletics issues brought up in here,give me a frikkin break.The athletic department is run exactly like the administrators and the school board run things,Backscratching and Politics From the athletic director all the way down.A present coach on the high school level in Bellevue was recommended and approved by the Athletic Director and the Bellevue Board of Education a week after going after a spectator in the stands while he was coaching a game in his previous position that resulted in a two game suspension and an executive session meeting of the Bellevue Board Of Education reguarding this matter.Again, it all comes down to PRIORITIES!

Redmenproud

Simple,

Sound a little sour about the bond issues passing- You know the good thing? There were more bright voters than non-bright voters on the issue!

Assuming I know what you are talking about in regards to the coach- were you at the game as I was? Do you know what the confrontation was about? Do you personally know the parties involved or are you simply going on hearsay? Unless you understand the entire issue and have had personal contact and experience with those involved please keep your comments to yourself. The coach you refer to is a quality person and coach who has made a real difference in the lives of many, many students and athletes at Bellevue.

The Good-Bad-Ugly

Simplemynded:
Amen, couldn't have said it any better !
redmenproud:
You are unbelievable. You problably still believe in the Easter Bunny. New schools are great if you can afford them and this community cannot. The economy is not getting better and is not going to for a long time, then what.
We're going to be lucky if we have a city left in the near future.
I loved it when the supporters said build the new schools and the business will follow. What a bunch of hogwash. And people like you bought it.
And as for that coach, You don't have a clue. Quality, are you kidding me. Check his morals and personal life, that's all I'm going to say about him.

simplemynded

Redmenproud..your one of the Good Ole Boy cronies i was speaking of.If i was a profiler i'd probably peg you to a "T".As for your comments about being at the game..yes i was at the game and it was a disgrace.There is no excuse for that in an atmosphere where kids are present and for that matter anyone else.What if one of the players would have had rabbit ears and heard a comment from a spectator and went up and confronted them in that manner?they'd probably be suspended from school and maybe not on that team but on a team with a coach with some class would,ve been kicked off the team.To sum that situation up it was a chump move that was essentially approved of by the AD and Board members elected to show our kids a good example.Several coaches over the years who are not bellevue alumni have been terminated for alot less i can assure you.So take your head out of the backside of the bellevue athletic department and see the REAL view.

bongodog

Redmenproud: I have no clue of the instance of a coach going into the stands at a spectator. But, any coach at any level should never do such a thing. Not even in a little league game! All the coach has to do is talk to the official or people in charge of the event and have that person warned/removed. NO coach with ANY dignity would take it in his/her own hands. So that said, it IS a bad example to the students. No matter how you spin it. And I only assume it happened since you responded with your believed facts of the individual. If it is the sport I think it is, then only a few who have the right name will ever have a chance to succeed. That is the way Bellevue is. And I doubt the individual had a lasting positive affect on many, many students.

ragtop66

Re: redmenproud...when I was in school home ec included being taught to cook and sew with hands on experience not going to New York to see a fashion show and taking in a Broadway show as a field trip. We were also taught the basics of how to manage a household, like planning meals, doing laundry, how to grocery shop and etc. When my daughters were in home ec they got very little hands on experience other than textbook. In my opinion, not enough basic skills are taught. Most kids don't know what to do if the computer goes down or the calculater goes out. But that's just my opinion.

Redmenproud

Ragtop-
I fully agree that hands-on learning, especially for certain types of kids- is a very essential part of education. I am not sure how Bellevue does it any more. Schools I am familiar with do plenty of cooking, sewing etc.

Simple & Good-
Let me see, earlier you bash one coach and now you more or less stick of for his brother? Do you really have insight into what the entire thing was about? Yes, I agree it could have been handled better, but let me see you have never done anything on the fly you suddenly regretted correct?

No, the economy IS getting better- watch the news. Our only hope to save the community is to get new schools to bring new businesses in. We better face the facts that the likes of GE are never coming back. The world is changing and we all need to deal with it.

As far as the good old boys- nope, don't even work in town. I will tell you this though, when the Foundation asks for $100 for a ticket or the boosters as for $20 for a ticket I am always there to give it. I also voted for the levy and will continue to vote for levies- Oh, wait- levies don't pay for sports do they? You might be very surprised to find out I value education much more than athletics. However, athletics provide an invaluable lesson to students. You would never know that since yo obviously only want to bash our coaches and have never actually played.

InterestedReader

I graduated from Bellevue in 2006. I graduated with a 3.85 GPA. While I didn't exactly LOVE high school or the people in it, it's not hard to ignore the things you don't like and focus on your education, if that's what you're there for! I hated hearing about atheletics, I didn't go to any of the pep assemblies, I didn't go to football games, but I still went to school, learned what I needed to to graduate, and now am in college. I survived this "horrible, horrible" town you all are describing here.

People commenting this article are parents or people who have no idea what is going on in those halls. Yes, Bellevue puts a lot of emphasis on sports, but that's because they have a lot of kids who are INTERESTED in sports. If you aren't there from 7:30-2:30 everyday, you really don't know how things are. You know what you "hear" and what your kids tell you. But remember, they are high school kids, you can't believe everything from their mouths, because their point of view is basically how everything effects THEM, no one else matters.

I agree that what this man did was wrong, but somehow he managed to find someone who would see it his way. I also think that what his "assistant" did was worse, and his firing was upheld. If he would have listened to complaints and done something about his assistant in the first place, we might not have all went through this whole situation. Just a thought there. And now things will be in an uproar throughout Bellevue City Schools again. But, the levy was passed, because the community had faith that things would be turned around. I guess that's what really matters, if all you people complaining are worried about the future of our town's CHILDREN.

InterestedReader

Oh and regarding home ec, I don't know where people are getting their information, but we certainly never went to NYC for a field trip. That was a group called FCCLA which is a VERY popular group throughout the country, had nothing to do with home ec. classes. I took them all throughout my 4 years at BSHS and learned how to sew, how to dress/act for an interview, how to cook meals, how to plan meals, how to set tables, etc. Maybe your daughters should have paid better attention in class? I don't even remember using a textbook.

simplemynded

This isn't an isolated incident with this coach,something as you call"Done on the fly."This guy isn't some novice coach who hasn't been around the corner and seen how this type of behavior isn't tolerated elsewhere.He knew it was wrong but the key here is, was he afraid of the repercussions?.These alumni coaches in this town Know or they are conditioned to know there will be no repercussions.The only reason he was suspended is because he Had to be.It happened and was witnessed in a public setting and there was public outcry over it.Had it happened at a practice or in a private setting the "He said, she said card would've been played by both the coach and the School Board.The bottom line to all of this discussion and how what this coach did ties into this article is simple.These Administrators and Board members have hidden agenda's when it comes to the hiring process.It ain't rocket science.Its about cutting your losses by playing the percentages,and being aware of character issues that could cause your district possible lawsuits in the future and ignoring them is wreckless,whether it be for the hiring a superintendent,teacher,janitor or yes,even a coach.

starryeyes83

re; Interested Reader,

Actually yes, there was a field trip to New York specifically for a fashion show, This was the 2 years AFTER you graduated, and as you pointed out, since you're not there now, you have no idea what's going on there. Exactly what do you think "home ec. is"? --FCCLA is just a modern term for it. So much for your "college education". You just put your foot in your mouth.

Another thing, do you KNOW what the ages of ragtop's daughters are?

I had the heavyset woman as a teacher when I was in school and she was far from a decent teacher, lazy is more like it.

silvereagle_1

now that's sad****one person comes on here and posts their opinion and another jumps right in with a comment about their daughters like they know EVERTHING, how bad is that?

ragtop66

Re: interested..both of my daughters graduated with honors, thank you very much.

InterestedReader

Uh no, I didn't stick my foot in my mouth. FCCLA is a CLUB outside of the classroom. Home economics are CLASSES taught to students to teach them how to run a home. And like I said, the field trip was with FCCLA (A CLUB) not a class! I didn't say the trip never happened, I just said it was with a club, not a class. This is just like the FRENCH CLUB's field trips to France, the ART CLUB's trips to museums, etc.

I didn't mention anything about ragtop's daughters, other than we never used a text book in class. We did hands on things, and LEARNED by doing. I really don't care how high your daughters graduated, honestly. I just don't think it's right for people to be coming on here complaining about the classes taught when they don't even have the correct information. Feel free to continue jumping down my throat, though. =]

bobaluey

RE: interested..."Maybe your daughters should have paid better attention in class"... Your quote.

That's not mentioning someone's daughters?

Backpedal, much?

InterestedReader

Yeah, he said they used textbooks and didn't learn hands-on. I never used a textbook, and Ive talked to my siblings who are high school students currently, and THEY have never used a textbook. So either his daughters didn't pay enough attention to what was going on, they were whining about things dishonestly, or he's just running his mouth about things HE doesn't know. Oh and by the way, if you're going to QUOTE me... use the whole sentence, please.

"""I didn't mention anything about ragtop's daughters, other than we never used a text book in class. We did hands on things, and LEARNED by doing. I really don't care how high your daughters graduated, honestly. I just don't think it's right for people to be coming on here complaining about the classes taught when they don't even have the correct information. Feel free to continue jumping down my throat, though. =]"""

ragtop66

Re: Interested.. Your post of Jan. 18 at 10:40am said, "Maybe your daughters should have paid better attention in class". Now, I'm sorry, but if that's not referring to my daughters I don't know what is. I really did not mean to start something here, all I wanted to do was make a comment. I certainly did not expect to be chastised because of my opinion.

starryeyes83

@ IR... so now you assume what a posters gender may or may not be. Seriously?

silvereagle_1

it's pretty obvious IR never used a textbook cause they ain't reading what they themselves wrote.

InterestedReader

Nope, not assuming, ragtop has referred to themselves as a male in other comments on other stories.

And yeah, I can read what I wrote. I can have my own opinion just as others can, but it's ridiculous to sit on here and say that Bellevue teaches home ec out of a textbook because it's NOT true. It wasn't true when I was in school, it's not true now. So unless ragtop's daughters were students a long time ago, they didn't use textbooks to learn home ec either. And in that case, his opinion on home ec classes shouldn't really count, if it's not up to date information.

ragtop66

IR.. would you please point out the comment in which I referred to myself as a male.

silvereagle_1

re; InterestedReader**** who or what gives you the right to say whether or not a person's opinion should or should not count regardless of how old or out dated it may be. you DON"T have that right either in this lifetime or the next. how can you say for a certainty how things were taught in ragtop's or the daughter's time unless you spent a lot of years in school.

InterestedReader

Okay I guess the outdated opinions about the Bellevue School System should still stand even though the things that were said weren't happening when I was in school and aren't happening now. How does outdated information have ANY bearing on the state of the schools now? That's how I come up with the idea that the statements don't count.

And ragtop, the comment I was going off of was on the Reflector's comments page, I really am not going to go look through all the articles I've read in the past week to figure it out. If I'm wrong, sorry, maybe I had you as the wrong person.

ragtop66

Re; Thanks. I have been very careful not to allude to my gender in my posts for a very good reason...so you definately had me as the wrong person. Perhaps to you out dated information has no bearing, but from my perspective and where I sit, some of the older ways, were and could be again, better ways. But that's just my opinion.

bobaluey

re: IR

If? You were wrong, period. Learn some humility College kid.

bongodog

Could be Clyde, I guess. At least our ex only wanted the attention of the woman.

EddieOs

Quote: "The bright voters of Bellevue just approved a bond levy to build two new schools that they can't afford to operate after they're built."

That's a good point.

I think the ex-super was brought in as a ringer to ramrod through the new schools. Follow the money...lots of people making lots of money on the backs of the Bellevue taxpayers. The previous one tried to do it and the people said no. The hiring firm presented only one candidate, bud. Looks to me like the fix was in. I think he had the architect firm on line when he started the job. And now we're building new school. And the he gets off with a wrist slap.

Just got the property tax bill. Up $300 per year BEFORE the school bond is on it.

OSUGrad

As a graduate of Bellevue Senior High School and Bellevue taxpayer, I am very pleased to hear of the continued commitment to ethical and moral standards among teachers and administrators, modern educational practices, and technical and physical upgrades to our campuses. I applaud the efforts of the school board to remove both Bud Martin and Darrell Hykes, and though Mr. Martin has not been found responsible for sexual harassment charges, I hope that they will remove him from office for the other offenses that he has committed.

As a recent graduate of the Ohio State University, I can assure you, bobaluey, that humility isn't reserved for those who have not gone to college. I am more than willing to admit my defeats, setbacks, and yes, even my mistakes, and while I believe the tone of this discussion has become uncivil, I'm sure the humility (or educational status) of InterestedReader bears no importance on this discussion.

I would argue that by simply accusing all baccalaureate and graduate level students of arrogance, bobaluey, you only serve to better point out your own hubris.

starryeyes83

Actually, bobaluey was right on the money, ir was wrong and could not admit it. Everything that has happened in the past has some bearing in the future, in one way or another.