Daughter hopes moms will be able to marry

All 9-year-old Mercedes wants for Christmas is to one day witness her two loving parents marry each other
Andy Ouriel
Nov 24, 2012

 

All 9-year-old Mercedes wants for Christmas is to one day witness her two loving parents marry each other.
It's really a simple, selfless wish, considering most children her age desire electronics or toys this holiday season.
The request also seems reasonable — she lives with both her mothers, who provide ample love to Mercedes, her sister, Mandela, 8, and the four dogs and five cats inside their quaint Anita Drive home.
In fact, Mercedes has already envisioned the wedding between mothers Beca Dickerson and Lindsay Roth-Carson.
She planned the entire ceremony, from sketching vibrant floral arrangements to measuring the length of her mothers' veils.
She has even decided what to wear on the glorious day: An elegant, floor-length, white and pink dress she frequently throws on anytime someone discusses marriage in front of her.
"They should get married because they are beautiful and meant for each other," Mercedes said.
Like many romance novels, however — outlining the perils of star-crossed lovers — Dickerson and Roth-Carson experience real adversity from those who ridicule their love.
"I can't carry pictures of my family in the car," Dickerson said. "When my children become teenagers, I wonder, 'Wll she get beat up because they has two mothers?' We shouldn't have to worry."
Marriage is basically defined as a sacred union between two people who want to make their partnership exclusive and recognized for legal purposes.
By that definition, any union of two people — two men, two women, or a man and a women — should qualify for marriage.
But in 41 of 50 states, the government prohibits a union between same-sex couples.
"Getting married is a human right," Roth-Carson said. "It's not a straight right. It's not a gay right. We're not expecting people to bow down on the streets to us, but we want to be like everyone else and have the same rights as everyone else."

 

Read the full story in Saturday's Register.

Comments

mikeylikesit

nothing like messing up a good relationship with a legal and binding contract..

mrlizzzard

End the gay marriage legislation.In fact end state marriages.A marriage is a union of three God,and two other people..The state isn't God so therefore use the term civil union,or domestic partner between any couple and the state.Once the couple is recognized by the state,if they wish to marry more power to them.This is simply the separation of church and state.Just like the Constitution demands

Long live marriage the spiritual union according to ones faith.The state union would regulate,property insurances finances.

SamAdams

EXACTLY. How is it that something so patently obvious — a religion's own right to freely dispense or deny sacraments according to its own beliefs — could get so mucked up? Oh, yeah. Government involvement. Figures.

real talk

Your first problem is thinking that there is a god. Once you get past that delusion many things fix themselves

wiredmama222

Really? How interesting. I never thought that God was a delusion, but to each his own I guess.

Brick Hamland

good point Mr. Lizzard. Once the government provides specific benefits for civil unions/married couples it should not prohibit who can marry/ civil union. If my wife and i get a tax break for being "married" then that tax break should be available to all who marry. I agree about drawing a difference between getting married in the church (no tax benefit as that is a sacrament in the church) and a civil union. If you want to enjoy both the sacrament or marriage and the legal benefits of a civil union then have two ceremonies... good point Mr. Lizzard thanks for your insight.

verdict

There is a way to satisfy both sides of this debate (assuming they are being reasonable) and it is really very simple.

If we remove the term "Marriage" from all legal documents and proceedings and replace it with "Domestic Partnership" (for ALL couples, INCLUDING heteros), we could grant the same legal benefits to all couples WITHOUT instigating this argument any further. If we are adults, then we should be able to accomplish this.
It could go something alone the lines of "After much deliberation, Congress has come to the agreement that government should not be defining what marriage is or is not. We feel that this should be left to the people."
As for the technical side of things, it is as simple as using the "Find and Replace" function in a word processor. Type "Marriage" into the "Find" field, and type "Domestic Partnership" into the "Replace With" field..and hit "Enter."

You may be asking how this would all play out. The answer to that is just as simple.
The legal side of these things would stay on the legal side..and the cultural side of these things would stay on the personal side of things.
Any person may take part in the legal side of things, if they wish..or not. Any person may also take part in a cultural ceremony, if they wish..or not.
There are already a number of cultural organizations who DO perform ceremonies for ALL couples. There is no need for either side to let it upset them that some cultures will not perform a ceremony for them.

As per our freedom of speech, people may call themselves "married" or whatever they wish..there would just be no "legal" recognition of the term.
The important thing is that all couples would have their legal benefits and, even now, they are already free to refer to themselves as "married" whenever and wherever they wish.

Consider if Ohio were the first state to implement this idea. We would be pioneers..to boldly go where no state seemed to even CONSIDER going before!

Most Wanted

Verdict, very well said...although I would be grandfathered as "married", I would gladly change the paper work if it would end this nonsense. I think back to 1974 when it became legal for a woman to get a loan without a man co-signing for her! It's about equality for all people, not your personal beliefs.

DGMutley

Now why should a couple have to say "we're in a domestic partnership" rather than just saying "we are married"?

Who am I or who is anyone, for that matter, to say who can or cannot get married?
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Btw, nice couple. Best of luck!

verdict

Are you referring to my solution above?
It merely says that legal documents would use the term. People can call themselves whatever they want, obviously.
This way, boh sides get the same legal benefits AND neither side gets upset about an "official" definition of "marriage" that they do not agree with. All people can define that for themselves..in their own lives.

Wait. Were you implying that we should force all churches to perform ceremonies for homosexual couples? I hope not. The whole point of my solution was to satisfy both sides of the argument..not to escalate the situation by favoring one side over the other.

If, however, you are merely hoping to change the world's view as a whole..that would take time. I think it is best, from a legal standpoint, to leave it where I have left it..and let nature take it's course. If it is meant to be (the world accepting it, I mean), then someday it will.

wiredmama222

DGMutley....it isn't often that I agree with what you say, but on this one it is 100%. Couldn't have said it better if I tried all day. Good for you.

thinkagain

There is One who has every right to say and He has made it very clear.
Matthew 19:4-6
Romans 1:26-27
Show true love for your neighbor and take a stand for those things God’s Word tells us are good and true — like His design for marriage.

JMOP

Your right. I wish people would realize marriage is between a man and a woman.
The only recongontion would be from the government, if the government allows them to marry, because god would never declare it a marriage.

Second Opinion

Homosexuals make up less than 2% of the population but with all the press coverage the general public erroneously believes that the number is over 35% (Gallop).

Again, people have to make a choice in life, to follow one's own non disciplined desires and unrestrained lusts whether it be straight or twisted, OR follow the dictates of the Scriptures. Each individual must also decide if they trust their eternal destination with tear producing articles of an 8 year old and a newspaper who supports its writers to specifically state that God has no say in the matter of fornication or adultery, OR to follow the warnings and teachings of the Bible.

Here's what scripture teaches,

""Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."" 1 Cor 6

The Register headline uses CHRISTMAS in connection of legalization of homosexual marriage which is a twisting and distortion of the Bible, BUT NEVER checks with the Christians or the Bible to complete their reporting, who gave the Register the RIGHT TO DISTORT our religion and insult all Christianity?

Bluto

So, female prostitutes are cool with God ? Any how, it all makes sense now . The kingdom of God will have a lot of open real estate :P

Second Opinion

Proverbs answers your questions in detail. Prostitution is classified as a murderous act, if not physically in most certainly spiritually.

"the prostitute reduces you to a loaf of bread, and the adulteress preys upon your very life"

"for a prostitute is a deep pit and a wayward wife is a narrow well."

And your somewhat correct about the Kingdom: Matthew 7

"21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

But it won't be barren: Reve 7:9
"After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands."

SamAdams

I won't argue your citation of Scripture. That being said, not all churches adhere to all of the tenets of Scripture, and others interpret things differently. The point here isn't to change YOUR faith or that of anybody else. It's to allow others the same freedoms to practice THEIR faith as you have to practice YOURS.

Second Opinion

You ignore the fact that its NOT their right to 'interpret' scripture. Words have specific meanings, such as "DO NOT commit' adultery or fornication. Or what about "A man shall NOT lye with another man as he would a woman",there isn't anything there to 'interpret'. What you should be saying is they refuse to submit to God's authority and deny His commands. There are other verses that support the fact that this IS what the scriptures teach. This rubbish of YOUR FAITH is a cop out to be a self appointed administrator of what one wants to be truth without regard to those which are written in scripture. This is why we are told to "CHOOSE this day whom you will serve", those using these silly arguments have sadly made their choice.

car 54

Good luck ladies!

Kimo

Gay marriage and marijuana were recently legalized on the same day. It makes sense now.

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lays with another man, he should be stoned."
“If a woman lays with another woman, she should be stoned.”

We've just been interpreting it wrong all these years.

Taxed Enough Already

lol Kimo...I love it!

CAST THE FIRST STONE

funny stuff kimo..i like everyone else that says anything about gay people have to say first we are not bad people. because that is always an easy excuse to not listen to my side. My first thought was looking at the picture. This young girl has only seen that women with women is normal. Will she feel abnormal if she is not gay. No matter how much they will say liking boys is o.k. she will be groomed otherwise. If everyone was gay the earth would end in approx 90 years. How could that be

Second Opinion

It doesn't matter what people think concerning gays, fornicators or adulterers are good or bad people. What IS IMPORTANT is what God thinks and commands and everything else is of NO importance.

“ A person will say, 'I have the right to do anything I want” —but I will not be mastered by anything. 13 You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.” The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”[b] 17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.[c]

18 FLEE FROM SEXUAL IMMORALITY ! All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies

Simple Enough II

LOL.

RedApple

I love this!

RedApple

I love that you added this scripture!

dorothy gale

What about God's "design for marriage" as stated in the Old Testament? Did the unchanging word of God CHANGE? He gave many wives to King David. So it is NOT just "one man, one woman" depending on which part of the fairy tale you like to use to justify your ignorance and bigotry, I'm thinking.

JMOP

If you call someone else a bigot and ignorant, your not seeing the other persons view. So I'm thinking, that's like the pot calling the kettle black.

Second Opinion

I'm thinking you never read, let along studied the Bible or you wouldn't be confused by the issue.

Since you brought up the Bible in your post,expound for us 1 Cor 6, which shouldn't be so confusing to you. "" Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor those men have sex with men"

So, you have to make a choice this moment, to accept what God says or your own beliefs in rebellion.

worddrow811

To all of you who claim to speak for God, go take a long walk off a short pier. Love is love and EVERYONE should have the legal benefits of a domestic contract, just like everyone should have medical benefits, but the government,aka, people who make the laws, haven't given us that benefit yet.

If two people love each other and want to form a household union, they deserve to be able to have that option. Oppress the men for a change and put women in power and see how things work out!

rickross2

Thats just dumb

Armymom7

Couldn't a "domestic partnership" refer to a person and a pet? Then my vet bills would be covered by my health insurance?

bondgirlM

Bingo Armymom7. You have it exactly correct.

starryeyes83

Exactly, what about people and their pets or people who are single by choice, or by fate or by circumstance... Not everyone is able to find someone for them. Why shouldn't they have the same rights as gay people.

I mean if it goes for one group it should go for EVERYBODY.

Most Wanted

Armymom7...no, it does not, although you can get insurance for your pet insome workplaces at a reduced rate! "A domestic partnership is a legal or interpersonal relationship between two individuals who live together and share a common domestic life but are neither joined by marriage nor a civil union. In some jurisdictions, such as Australia, New Zealand, the American states of Oregon, Washington, Nevada, and California, a domestic partnership is almost equivalent to marriage, or to other legally recognized same-sex or different-sex unions, while in other jurisdictions such as the American states of Wisconsin and Maine, domestic partnerships may confer lesser relationship rights than other jurisdictions' civil unions and more than de facto cohabitation. The terminology for such unions is still evolving, and the exact level of rights and responsibilities conferred by a domestic partnership varies widely from place to place." Not sure of the date or accuracy of this statement concerning states listed.

Armymom7

Most wanted: thanks for the info, but I guess you missed the implied sarcasm. But I have a real question, how is a domestic partnership dissolved when the parties split up?

starryeyes83

I got it, but ya should of used a smiley face.

Most Wanted

Sarcasm? I was hoping you were just ignorant to the subject. Comparing a person to a dog is not funny, it's twisted and sick. The answer to your "real" question would be divorce, just like marriage...by the way, how is marriage working out these days for men and women? How is that going for the kids when over 50% end in divorce?

Kimo

You people sound like the American version of the Taliban.

verdict

Rhetorical nonsense. By the way, comments like this are highly irresponsible..and reckless.
Surely you would be aware that there are glaring differences between hardcore Islam and merely vocal Christians..before making such judgements, wouldn't you?
One might argue that you are the extremist for painting someone with a label that might, one day, instigate violence against them.

As for myself, I should probably be stunned that some people would choose to amp up the hatemongering instead of advancing a real solution (like the very one in my very first comment)..but lately, I am not.

starryeyes83

How do they do father - daughter dances? I mean really. How?

big_d

I would guess the same way that a single mother with girls would- grandfather, uncle?

beepx22

our binding document of self governance is the Constitution, not the Bible, not the Torah, not the Koran. the rights of the people to seek life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, is imbedded in our cultural origin. the books of our religions are there so we can have a guide star to our life decisions, not to impose our beliefs on those who believe differently. Gay marriage is no different than the other rights that people have fought for. When we Christian's can point at our flawless record of marriage, then maybe we can be morally superior enough to dictate to the rest of this country

observer

Like it or not, the MAJORITY of Americans disagree with gay marriage. beepx22 if you're a Christian, I assume you believe in God. HE condemns it. As a Christian, since you used the term " When we Christian's", you're going against Him.

beepx22

The Almighty isn't fond of Adultery either, he disliked it enough to give it a spot in the Ten Commandments, and yet, the laws of the people are written and passed by people who commit adultery without care. How about divorce? Seems God wasn't really happy about it either, I think Divorce gets about 30 to 40 mentions in the Good Book, I bet you know more Divorced Christians than you realize. Don't get me started on the book of Leviticus. The Lord may not like the act of homosexuality, but All of Mankind, are God's Children. And our laws should have nothing to do with Our Religions.

Second Opinion

Then I suggest you move elsewhere, beepx22 because our country WAS based upon Scriptures. This is what makes our country different.

EVERY SINGLE FOUNDER OF OUR NATION STATED THAT WE ARE A NATION UNDER AND RULED BY GOD'S LAW, So please, either retract your statement or correct it with the facts of what the Bible actually states.

And your an expert on who God loves? Where does it say in Scripture that God loves everyone? Gesh, people say things and provide NO FACTS. Until a person turns from self gratification and to Jesus for forgiveness they are NOT the children of God. Jesus himself said in John 3, "unless a man be BORN AGAIN he CAN NOT enter the Kingdom of God" You have a great deal of learning to do, too bad the modern Church's never taught you the truth instead of how to get healed or prosper financially.

Bluto

Do you mean Gods ( PLURAL) or God's ( showing ownership ) ? Please , either retract your statement , or correct it ; ))))

beepx22

We could start with old Mainstay of John 3:16, For God So Loved the World, He gave his only begotten son. Maybe Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Or the Old Testament book of laws Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the Lord.

Every Single Founder of our Nation also set us up for freedom from Religious and Personal Persecution. Shall we all stone the Sinners? Will you be first in line?

Second Opinion

I understand your zeal beepx, however your unquestioned acceptance of the Arminian Dispensational doctrines shines though with your use of the word "World' in Jn 3:16. I suggest you perform a Greek study on the text, especially the world 'world' and see there are different meanings with different words. A deep study on Romans 9 will also rock your boat. These are not new doctrines I present but those held by such esteemed men as Luther, Calvin, Hodges, Spurgeon and many others, those who diligently studied instead of getting their spiritual fix for the day from Hinn, TBS or CBN.

Leviticus 19, great chapter which must be tied in with chapters 17 though 20 or you isolate the context. This verse speaks about how the Jews and those living within their midst are to treat one another "against THY people', This chapter deals with Israel and those living within their community, not how they deal with those outside their midst or faith. Even the Talmud gets this correct. This verse MUST be examined by chapter 20 or its usage as you applied it is distorted. Abraham traded with those in Sodom, he didn't go down there and destroy them, he knew those people but it was God who did the destruction. However, if they would have practiced these acts of rebellion in Abraham's camp then that would be a different story.

Your stoning remark bewilders me, I'm not sure why you brought into the discussion. However, all Christians know we deserve it and it was NOT condemned by Christ but FULFILLED by Christ. He took the responsibility to eternally do the stone casting, HOWEVER, the government is still sanctioned by God to provide JUSTICE when the States laws are mandated (of course, as long as they are just). Jesus stopped the well known stoning of Mary for several reasons. 1st it was illegal, this was a mob, no judges were utilized for her condemnation of sin, thus Jesus WAS the Judge and they knew this being that he was a Rabbi. 2nd, Jesus condemned the crowds arrogance and pride and revealed that they are just as guilt spirituality as Mary. However, this never stopped judicial law and its enforcement of punishment for breaking it. God says He changes not, and Paul explains about the law and its applications very deeply in Romans.

Dont Worry Be Happy

Very true

SamAdams

What the majority thinks about ANY issue is immaterial to the ultimate in sovereignty: The individual. I'd note that even the Founders were well aware of what John Adams called "the tyranny of the majority." That's why the Bill of Rights was crafted in the first place.

Consider for a moment that the majority felt the OTHER way. While I don't take issue with the legal RECOGNITION of gay marriage, I'd be more than a little incensed if, thanks to majority votes, all religions had to recognize — perhaps even perform — those ceremonies! I'll bet you would, too.

It's this exact issue, by the way, that's behind the Catholic fight against "Obamacare." Nobody has suggested that contraceptives be made illegal simply because Catholic doctrine considers them to be sinful. The Catholic Church merely says that, because they DO believe contraceptives are sinful, they shouldn't have to facilitate that "sin."

I have no issue with gay marriage. I have no issue with contraceptives, either. But when you start talking about forcing religions to do things that are expressly against the basic tenets of their faith, well, NOW I've got a problem. Bet you would, too. Think about THAT before you start telling churches they're not ALLOWED to recognize gay marriage...!

FormerSanduskian84

Really? The majority of Amerucans disagree with it? In May, 2012, 50% of Americans were in favor of and 48% opposed gay marriage.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/15452...

In November 2012, 51% favor gay marriage. Find a new argument.

http://abcnews.go.com/politics/t...

As far as your insistence that god condemns it, that's your god. How dare you assume that what you believe is what I or anyone else believes? If you choose to live your life based on a book, that's your choice. Keep your choice out of my life and the lives of anyone who thinks differently. And please stop cherry-picking what the bible says just to support your bigoted views. The bible says a lot of other things that I'm sure you merrily disregard every day of your life.

Super Judge

Slowly America is catching up with the rest of the world.

Second Opinion

I think the slowness has increased exponentially over the last 10 years.

doratheexplorer

Awe I hope she gets her wish

Kimo

@observer

When I went to Catholic school unbaptized babies that died were sent to Purgatory. Parents did not live by the rules so the kid got punished.

Whointhehell came up with that gem?

richrs

@ Kimo,

Actually it is/was a place called limbo.

Kimo

What dora said........

queenjhb

Mrcedes is sweet. does she know her Dad? Im sure her moms have male friends around as positive men in her life. Remember that first attraction to the oposite sex, someone so cute,they took your breath away. Mercedes will likely have that experience also, nomatter 2 moms, a single parent, 2 dads, that day will come, the big crush. I hope dedicated couples gay or straight find a way to stay committed to each other, devorce rate is very high, odds are tough. Goodluck Moms.I hope you get that opportunity.

Randy_Marsh

What is the big deal? I personally do not care with the separation of church and state that most believe give the gays the same rights and what will be the problem? It is a tax break people. Who cares.

queenjhb

Kimo, that was church control at its most cruel. Tormenting grieveing parents was a way of scaring the fold to do as we say, when we say it ,our rules, deviate in any way and you will suffer greatly. That is not what a very loving ,careing God would ever condone. Humans make rules to scare and control others, usually very powerful wealthy men., Religious leaders,goverment leaders, cults. Children are vulnerable to this retoric, hence, you questioned this teaching, thinking for yourself, thats the most threatening to these demigods [sp.] ideas.

Warhol_89

Just because same-sex marriage goes against God's design for marriage, that doesn't mean anything bad comes out of it. It also says in the Bible that if you spare the rod, you spoil the child. My parents spared the rod and I didn't turn out spoiled, and on top of that i've had a clean criminal record my whole life. See? I'm still a good person even though my parents didn't follow God's words in the Bible, and i'm sure God would still accept me for who I am regardless because I still turned out a good person. Same with gays, I know a few of them and they are the nicest people you could ever meet. Just because they choose to marry or be in a relationship with someone of the same sex doesn't make them bad people.

Just Thinkin

This is not front page news,it is just fuel for starting a debate that is pure crap, for the price of this rag I expect real news and local stuff not two gay people feeling sorry for themselves, Please give me stuff worth reading

Second Opinion

I agree, its like the Register is making every effort to take a stance on issues that are against traditional family values AND the Christians are easy targets. I wonder if there is a single REAL Christian that works at that place, even their writers deny what the Bible states and many times delete them if they don't like what the pasted scriptures say.

They have LOST the ideology of what a news agency is about.

thinkagain

Yet another article on the issue of same-sex "marriage" that read more like something approaching naked cheerleading. It’s disappointing to see Ouriel and the SR’s lack of unbiased reporting.

Bluto

Really ? I thought the article was about a little girl's selfless hopes and dreams for her family at Christmas. Silly me . Best wishes to you , ladies .

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Mime Bloggling

"The Bible says that it is an abomination for a man to lie with a man as with a woman, or a woman to lie with a woman as with a man (see Leviticus 18:22, 20:13). The Bible says that because of certain abominations such as homosexuality, a land will vomit out its inhabitants (see Leviticus 18:25). The apostle Paul called it "shameful," the result of being given up by God to "vile passions" (see Romans 1:24-27).

In the Old Testament, those who practiced these things were removed from the congregation of Israel by execution. We are told in the New Testament that those who practice homosexuality will not enter the Kingdom of God (see I Corinthians 6:9-10). The apostle Paul, in the book of Romans, indicates that homosexuality is the result of the final rebellion of people against God. He says that when people exchange the truth of God for a lie, and begin to worship the creature instead of the Creator, they are given up to evil. At a moment in society when values are turned upside down and moral anarchy appears, men burn with lust for other men and women burn for women, and they will receive in their own bodies the punishment for their actions (see Romans 1:22-27).

From a biblical standpoint, the rise of homosexuality is a sign that a society is in the last stages of decay."

SamAdams

Yeah, and Paul ALSO said that the best men would castrate themselves. Had anything surgically removed lately? I'm just asking. I mean, you'd NEVER pick and choose which parts and pieces of the Bible you were willing to obey...WOULD you???

thinkagain

“Paul ALSO said that the best men would castrate themselves”
Usually your comments display a certain amount of intelligence…what happened?

SamAdams

Okay, you got me. Well, ALMOST... Paul didn't say it. MATTHEW did. I'm sure you don't believe me, so let me quote here from Matthew, Chapter 19, Verse 12: "...and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to receive this, let him receive it."

Oh, no, it's not REQUIRED. But you're holier if you do! Ball's (no pun intended) in your court...

thinkagain

As a tennis player, I enjoyed your “ball’s in your court” idiom, although as a man, somewhat unsettling. lol

What jumps out at me is your use of the adjective “holier”. Sometimes this word when used to describe an individual, has negative connotations, in that it implies some sense of superiority of one person over another. Holiness should be the utmost desire of every Christian. Not for an outward display to others, but an inward response to the personal relationship one has with a loving God. The pursuit of setting oneself apart to God (holiness) is in response to the inner workings of the Holy Spirit to grow in His likeness.

Jesus said, “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God” (Matt. 5:8).

In response to your question concerning Matthew 19:12, Paul is enumerating three types of eunuchs, of which he falls into the category of those who through no type of genital mutilation, abstain from marriage to devote themselves to Christ's work.

Paul remained unmarried, that he might fully give himself to the Lord’s work. “For I wish that all men were even as I myself. But each one has his own gift from God, one in this manner and another in that.” 1Co 7:7,8

Warhol_89

No matter what it says in the bible, men are still going to marry women and vice versa regardless of homosexuals. There is no "rise" in homosexuality and it's not going to take over the world. Also, if a rise in homosexuality means society is in it's stages of decay because children can't be born with same-sex marriages, does this mean i'm going to hell too just because i'm an indipendant person that chooses not to be in any relationships?

Kimo

Re:"The Bible says"

Back in the beginning; the early popes killed their rivals and perceived enemies. What "Bible verse" were they following?

Never thought I would agree with Randy but..... IMO benefits and tax breaks are the biggest issue in the money game...........

Second Opinion

Kimo, what 'beginning' are you talking about? Certainly NOT the beginning of God's viewpoint of sodomy. And Catholicism is a very young 'religion'.
You can't judge all those in Christianity based upon one sect, that is just ridiculous. If you wish to know why they murdered those who were true believers I suggest you read " Martyrs Mirrors" written by the AnaBatists, todays Amish, who kept record of the trials against them by the Catholics and why they were tried and murdered by them. Reading this will allow you to understand when Jesus said "Not everyone who comes in my name belongs to Me" And why Jesus said there are many who come in His name but they are actually wolves in sheeps clothing, much like this article which mixes and laces 'Christmas" into a topic which God says is offensive, it's no different than mixing sugar with spiritual cyanide. The Register has become an enemy of Christianity.

thinktwice

Confusion is one of those feelings common to man. In this case it's common to ...well "it's". Marriage between any other sex besides a man and a woman is nothing more than sharing an illness.

Simple Enough II

Let's take a look at these questions I have. Who is the father/s of Mercedes and Mandela? What last name do they carry or have on their birth certificate? Does the BC identify the father or was he an anonymous doner? Who is the mother of these girls Dickerson or Roth-Carson? Are these little girls considered Illegimate (and I didn't use the B word as it causes why to much wailing and censoring) or are we going to have to shelve that term/meaning/phrase at it will be considered hurtful but true.

Bluto

How are any of those questions relevant , or any of your concern ?

Kimo

Re:"The Register has become an enemy of Christianity."

Don't buy it..... don't read it..... it's that ez........

LOL

Contango

In Iran there are no gays:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U...

Anti-gay is one subject on which many Muslims and fundamentalist Christians can wholeheartedly agree.

Obviously the SR has become anti-Muslim as well.

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Mark your calendars: May 20th is "Everyone Draw Mohammed Day”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve...

Bluto

Extremist Christians , extremist Muslims . Two sides of the same coin .

SamAdams

Well, except for one thing: Extremist Christians don't lean toward putting bombs in their backpacks and blowing themselves up in crowded venues, or beheading those they think are sinners. And while some extremist Christians have doubtless DISOWNED their children, I've yet to hear many stories in the news about those Christians KILLING their children for sinning. I'm just saying...

The Big Dog's back

Jim Jones, David Koresh.

Contango

Janet Reno was responsible for the carnage at Waco. Just ask Bill Clinton.

First time that a tank was used against civilians.

Also, that Muslim turned Christian and noted Nobel Peace Prize winner Barack Obama kills little innocent Muslim children with drones.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/25/wo...

The Big Dog's back

How about your hero and idol Adolph?

starryeyes83

The weird guy with Heaven's gate. don;t forget.

Bluto

IRA ,the Inquisitions ,the KKK , the Hutaree ... etc. Too many to list .

Most Wanted

Simple Enough, the lineage of these two girls have nothing to do with this and quite frankly is no ones business. If you want to talk in general, that's one thing. Many couples adopt children. Many couples have children through donors. Many couples have children through first marriages. Many people have children on their own without being married...the good old fashioned way (illegitimate as you say). Bottom line, these girls are loved and cared for by two parents that give them a home, security and sense of family. Think of the children who don't have that and never will.

Simple Enough II

Okay, so SR has printed an article that present the child's wish and the woman's view or comments, so how about asking the biological father his view?

Most Wanted

Simple, re-read your original statement. You were not asking about the fathers view point on homosexuality or what he thought about his daughters being raised by two mothers. You were asking about whether or not the girls were bastards...none of your business, nor is it the point of the story...just being a nosy busybody.

Mama of 4

All the Bible thumpers on here want to say that in the Bible it says that gay marriage is wrong. I went to Catholic school the majority of my school years but correct me if Im wrong it also says directly LOVE THY NEIGHBOR. It also says that in the end EVERYONE will be judged at the Pearly Gates. So why dont you let God make that decision and not you. Anyone on here that says its wrong and not moral, who are you to judge? Are you Jesus sent back to this Earth to condem people for thir sins? And further than that try to tell me you have never sinned in your lifetime. I can almost guarentee that you have, you are human and God understands that. But that also gives you no right to tell two people that ANYTHING they do is wrong or that they shouldnt do it. I hear people saying all the time that Jesus is crying in heaven bc of things like gay marriage. I thnk it more likely that the tears are caused by his children being teased,emtionally and sometimes physically hurt by his other children bc they found someone that makes them truely happy and someone that they truely love. Leave them alone. Best of luck to these ladies and know that God loves his children no matter what. And for all the people that want to be mean and hurtful things and quote the Bible here is two things for you to do. Go through that Bible of your again and find all the quote that say God should be the only one to judge and love thy neighbor, oh and also the ones that say it is alright to beat your wife and the one about Kind David having MULTIPLE wives; times have changed. Second take a look at your life and see maybe how you can make your life better and more moral bc Im sure you arent perfect! ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE!

thinkagain

“…correct me if Im wrong…”
OK, you stand corrected.

In reality, those who make this objection are simply trying offer good reasons to persuade Christians to change their own beliefs. In other words, those who try to prevent Christians from evangelizing are really an evangelist for their own viewpoint

“Go and make disciples of the nations” (Matt 28:19)

starryeyes83

What if your neighbor is a , drug dealer , gang banger and /or pedeophile? Do you still buy into that?

real talk

1) Marriage is a legal agreement to handle distribution of property..always has been
2) There is no God
3) Even if there was, in his book, there were 8 forms of marriage...only one was a man and a women
4) If there is a God do you really think he would want you people judging what others do?? Pretty sure there was something specifically written about that.

goofus

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queenjhb

You know we could go back to the good ole days, when homosexuals married heteralsexuals to hide who and what they are. Pretending to be straight hurt spouses[denied true love] children [ not getting to know their true parents real self] themselves [hiding the truth] frustration ,then pain when found out for the family, friends. Religion telling you to change who you really are.Out of the closet, never in the closet, is best for all. Imagine having a child that hid being gay from you,[the parent they need to come to,to trust and be unconditionally loved] and you never had the chance to accept them, sad really sad .

eriemom

When faced with these issues I default to, "What if this was my child?' This is a civil rights issue. We don't get to judge something that is biological.

Informed

Some of the people on this board give the word Christian a bad name. What on earth does a legal contract have to do with Christianity? This country is based on freedom and equality. It's about time we live up to that. You think being gay is a sin...guess what? We all sin! No one knows what's in their hearts or what their relationship is with God. Quit making assumptions and trying to play God yourselves!

wiredmama222

Beautifully said and right on target. 100% correct. Couldn't have said it better myself.

wiredmama222

I hope they get their Christmas wish. Christmas is about hope and magic. It would be nice to see it happen for this group.

G_Richardson

Wiredmama
Christmas is about hope and peace, Goodwill towards fellow man and sharing. If christmas was about "Magic" I am positive most would be running around incinerating their enemys with fireballs and Disentigration spells, At the very least every teenage boy would learn a spell that allowed them to look through clothing and hang out at the mall all day scoping out women. That or a invisibility spell so they could hang out in the womens locker room at the YMCA. Come to think about it, I like your version better. "Hope and magic", As long as the religious do not think me a warlock and start throwing stones you will find me at the local mall learning a new spell.

Second Opinion

Divine intervention yes, but magic? I think not.
And are true converts to Christianity to set aside God's commandment to be the salt of the earth during this pagan Holiday?... I think not. Please don't accuse that I'm a J.W by making these statements, on the contrary, I'm a born again sinner who doesn't need and is actually saddened by this man made holiday whose historical practices have justified many abuses and most certainly distortions of the Gospel message.

starryeyes83

The only issue I have is that they had to draw the kids into it. Kind of like pulling the kids out for a school tax levy and having them hold signs.

Nothing will ever make up for a father and mother in the house to raise kids. Nothing. It hasn't worked very well for one single parent households. It won't work well for same sex parent ones , either, regardless , of it's legality or not.

CAST THE FIRST STONE

ok we have got our weekly dont forget about us gays story. Move on the only difference is they like the same bodys they have. So lets make new rules. so crazy dumb

rickross2

I would have much rather watched a show called "My 2 Moms" instead of "My 2 Dads". But marriage........nope!

rickross2

I would have much rather watched a show called "My 2 Moms" instead of "My 2 Dads". But marriage........nope!

Warhol_89

Calling gay people homophobic slurs, making them feel horrible, even driving some to commit suicide... is this what God wants us to do? Whatever happened to being yourself? This world is really starting to go to hell if you ask me. I say to each his own, and to any gay people, be yourself and defeat others with kindness. They may think your a bad person depending on their religion but as long as you are a good person, i'm sure God will still accept you. It's not about what others think, but what you know. The questions should be, what do YOU think is right? If you aren't who you are, who are you? If you are gay and you think that's who you are, than be yourself. There will always be haters but life's all about being your true self while being able to take the hits. If anything I believe God frowns upon, it's those who resort to conformity because they lack the strength to be themselves.