Alternative sentence for man who assaulted nursing home worker

If he can behave for another few days, a Perkins man convicted of assaulting a nurse in June will be off the hook.
Associated Press
Oct 6, 2012

 

Court records show Martin Hogan, 78, pleaded no contest to a single count of assault in July. He initially pleaded not guilty.

On June 12, Hogan grabbed Parkvue Health Care Center employee Collette Yontz’s hand and clamped down. The assault happened while Yontz worked with another nurse to lift Hogan’s wife, a nursing home client, into a bed.

Yontz told police Hogan wouldn’t let go of her, and she had to physically removed his hand.  

After the Register reported on the incident, calls streamed in from residents on both sides.

Members from Hogan’s church described him as a “professional gentleman” devoted to his ailing wife. They said the whole thing was ridiculous.  

Others, including nursing home employees, said it wasn’t the first time Hogan had a run-in with staff.  

After he pleaded to the charge in July, a judge sentenced  Hogan to 75 days of diversion. In other words, the assault charge will disappear from his record as long as he doesn’t get in trouble before his sentence expires.

Hogan paid $92 in court costs and $50 a month for diversion program fees.

Comments

wiredmama222

Most nurses will tell you that the best thing to do when moving a patient is to ask the family to wait outside the room. Why was this not done when they moved this family member.

Perhaps this man did not like what he saw when they moved his wife. Where they being too rough for his liking? Did they not show proper respect in his eyes? Whatever the cause, I think this was reprehensible on the part of the workers at this nursing home.

Having worked as a head nurse in a home, my aides and nursing assistants would NEVER have been allowed to move a patient in the presence of a family member....EVER. This is exactly why. And to report a problem such as this to the police is even worse. No way.

I feel sorry for this man. He should never have had to go through this kind of indignity. Nurses get grabbed, yelled at and other indginities. It goes with the territory. You deal with it in other ways besides calling the cops. Yes, you have rights, but you report to your head nurse and SHE deals with it, not you. Are you a drama queen or something? And to wait until a day or two later to report it is even more suspect. What did you expect to accomplish? A lawsuit perhaps? Money?

It is shameful that Ms Yontz did not know that and submitted this man to this sort of indignity no matter what. Too much drama, I say.

Does this nursing home or care facility not know the simple but stated rules of conduct for each and every nursing home patient? The Bill of Rights for each patient?

Perhaps the director of nursing needs to talk with the staff about dignity for its care givers so this type of thing NEVER happens again.

Shame on the care givers and shame on him for grabbing her. But it all could have been avoided if the care givers knew and understood that you NEVER have a patient"s family in a room when you move a patient.

Simple as that. It all could have been avoided.

cockynurse

I have to completely disagree with you, Wiredmama222.

Being assaulted by a patient's family DOES NOT go along with the territory of being a nurse. We should not be forced to accept this type of treatment.

What's shameful and an absolute indignity is that people in this profession, like you, actually believe this type of behavior is acceptable.

Additionally, if this man has a history of becoming physical with staff-it is the responsibility of the home to act to protect their employees.

As far as patient care when the patient's family is in the room-evidenced-based nursing clearly contradicts your position.

wiredmama222

Oh, no way. Attacked my third leg. The nurses (and she isn't a nurse) know how to handle this type of thing. She was no more assaulted than I can sprout wings and fly. Get real. There are several ways to handle this and her's was the WRONG way. You do NOT call the cops on a 78 year old man like this. It ALL could have been avoided and if you were thinking you would see it. He grapped her wrist. If he meant her real harm he would have slapped her.

My question is what was SHE doing that upset him in the first place and why was he in the room when she moved his wife? Bologna as far as your "room evidenced based nursing" as well. If you really understood nursing care, which you obviously do not. (I suspect you are not a nurse either) you would understand the the sanctity of nursing is to care for the PATIENT at all costs including their dignity FIRST and FOREMOST. Someone here dropped the ball. I suggest to you that if you were in that room you would know that.

This gentleman, from all accounts, except those who came from the nursing home and have a personal vendetta with him I understand, is not at all like what those few girls described. What a shame they have to be the ones to maladjust his late life. How terrible that someone like them should be so out of tune in their own lives, have such "drama" to deal with, that they take it out on a 78 year old man like this. It is truly sickening. What a shame. So don't lecture me that I am wrong about my feelings when a bunch of drama queens who work in a nursing home call the cops on a 78 year old man for grabbing a girls wrist for God knows what reason.

That is outrageous in anyone's standards, not just mine. A simple "take your hand off mine" would have done.

Licorice Schtick

Yeah, but I bet those nurses really appreciate second-guessing from a know-it-all used-to-be who wasn't there.

luvblues2

If you know more about it than wiredmama does, please inform us with your expertise, L.S. My wife was in a nursing home for 2 years because a neurosurgeon refused her a CRT scan. I went to Toledo, Greensprings, Clyde and finally Cleveland EVERYDAY. I saw how she was treated. I wasn't always pleased, especially when I had to change her soiled dry goods EVERY damn nite when I visited. Once she had a CRT scan in Cleveland, they found her frontal lobe brain-shunt was plugged. They fixed it and she came home the next day. She now has her driver's license back and a job! How would you like changing your loved one every frikkin' nite when you arrived at the nursing home?! You need to be quiet about things you don't know. Btw, My wife was only 42 when that happened to her. Now she is 58 and does take of herself just fine. As an aside, I used to leave her change in a wooden box for candy and snacks cause she was well enough to get those on her own in a wheel chair. I had to replenish it every day and could not figure out where it was going. The nurses and assistants where stealing it, said her room-mate. I reported it and it stopped. Also, her wedding ring magically re-appeared after being missing for 2 weeks in that same change box I refilled every damn day.

xyz

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wiredmama222

No, you are right, I wasn't there. Were you? I happen to know the girl. She isn't a nurse. I am. She is an aide. I resent anyone who 'pretends" or presents themselves as a nurse when they are not. Secondly I happen to know EXACTLY what did happen. I am not second guessing anyone as I do know what happened in this situation. Do you? As for being a "know it all". Thank you. I appreciate you recognizing my accomplishment at knowing what I am talking about. I appreciate it.

JACKEL

If I were on the jury I would believe your testimony !

wiredmama222

Thanks. She was wrong, he shouldn't have been arrested. I have had my say,now I am done. The defense rests.

just plain disgusted

The admin. allowed him to be in the room and bathroom with staff while caring for his wife and he always demanded to be. So simple as that it could not have been avoided.

Katelih-Trailer...

"Perhaps this man did not like what he saw when they moved his wife. Where they being too rough for his liking?"

"Having worked as a head nurse in a home, my aides and nursing assistants would NEVER have been allowed to move a patient in the presence of a family member....EVER"

Wiredmama...I HAVE to ask..Why aren't family members allowed to watch their loved one being moved ? Just KNOWING that, scares me...

wiredmama222

For the dignity of the patient you ask them to leave. Not the MY staff would EVER have mistreated a patient. EVER. If they wanted to keep their jobs they wouldn't, and my calling the cops on THEM. Its a felony to hit a patient.

But to give the patient their privacy in being moved, we asked that the patient's guests and family step out. It is a matter of courtesy to the patient, nothing more, nothing less. Even those who were married 40 years deserve to have that. Sometimes family members get upset when they see the mechanical lifts we use, the family members moaning or their loved ones being moved by a mechanical means. That alone deserves having the staff do so by the family NOT being in the room. That is what I mean.

You ever been really sick? They ask people to step outside to move you. We did the same thing in the nursing home. Dignity FIRST and ALWAYS. Read the patient bill of rights sometime. Interesting reading. And I believe in patient dignity. Especially for those in a nursing home. Don't you think they deserve it?

Katelih-Trailer...

Thanks for explaining..I never worked in the medical field. I bet it can be quite challenging.

wiredmama222

It is, but gerenotology (working with the elderly) was my favorite. I hate the way some people treat the elderly. We can't just dismiss them from our lives. They were important once...to all of us. Someone's mother, father, brother. I hate people who treat them badly, think they are worthless and should just die. I just want to kick them in the "you know where" when I see that. I worked a long time in nursing homes and extended care. I miss that. I miss teaching about it, too.

People who take advantage of the elderly and their weaknesses as far as I am concerned should be shot at sunrise. They are worse than theives and murderers. There is no need for this kind of behavior. It was all blown out of preportion and it didn't need to be. All drama from a drama queen.

Julie R.

Geez, how ridiculous. That idiot nurse needs to find herself another profession.

wiredmama222

I know her, she isn't a nurse.

Restless1

If they are moving my loved one, I have a right to see that they are doing it with dignity and as painless to the patient as possible. If the patient acts up, I want to be sure that they respond professionly and not slap or othewise force the move. I would refuse to leave the room if so ordered!!!

wiredmama222

Then you also need to know, by the staff or the head nurse explaining it to you carefully that mechanical machines will be used and that your loved one may not like it. He or she may moan and groan but is not being hurt by the move. They may cry (many who have had strokes do that whether they are being hurt or not). They may cry out or even fight with the staff. They may yell or fight the moving. They may claw and slap at the staff, that is normal. The staff may hold their hands and keep it away from the moving parts, but that, too, is normal. They will NOT slap your family member. If you can stay back, keep your comments to yourself and not interfer in any way by speaking to your family member or trying to "help" then by all means stay. Many elderly family members cannot do that. It is a hard thing to do. "Mom, stop that" is something that is frequently heard. Or, "Dad, don't do that, they are trying to help you" and then the daughter or son trys to interceed. That becomes dangerous for one and all. Its hard not to help. But if you can control yourself, by all means, stay. We allowed it as long as the loved one could control themselves. The minute they interferred, out they went. Believe me, it is easier on all concerned if they stay out for the few minutes it takes.
By the way, did you know it is ILLEGAL for a caregiver to strike an invalid? That is cause for the caregiver to be arrested for assault?

xyz

Wired, if you really do know this nurse; you would know she IS a licensed
nurse, unless you feel LPN's are not nurses.....want to start THAT argument on here?? You haven't been in the profession for some time, and times have changed. Try keeping your nasty opinions to yourself at some point. You were NOT there.

wiredmama222

I may not have been there but I do know exactly what happened. Again, a simple "remove your hand" would have been better than to call the police. This was all unnecessary.
And I know exactly what happened. Exactly. When you put yourself in this position you can only expect people to either agree or disagree with you. In this case, I totally disagree with what she did.

I may not have been in a nursing home for some time, but I can tell you this, things have not changed THAT much.

I would love to see the paperwork that says she is an LPN as well. My comments are far from "nasty". I am stating only that she could have handled it differently. If you consider that nasty, it is not my problem.

Perhaps I know much more about her than you do? Did you ever consider that? Perhaps I know more about all of this than you can ever imagine, even without being there just from time, circumstances and history? (by the way, just to make sure...I went the the ohio nursing site and put in here name: her nursing license is NOT on the site for Ohio nursing education and registration at all. YOU may want to go look. But I put it in under both names and it didn't come up under either one. She isn't an LPN or an RN. The board has no record of her). She may be a certified aide but not an LPN. Just saying

Kelly

You weren't there so there is no way you could know "exactly" what happened. Also, what difference does it make if she is a nurse or an aide? Yes, your remarks about this woman seem very nasty & personal.

wiredmama222

She told

eightballcuet1

This man grabbed the nurses hand and clamped down. To me that means he was probably squeezing and inflicting pain on her. I dont care how old you are, no one has the right to put their hands on you like that. And unless you were there, how do you know that she didn't go to her supervisor and it was that supervisor that called the police.

wiredmama222

Because the newspaper report said SHE called the police a day later and the supervisor said she didn't do it, the girl did it.....after speaking to a police officer she knew from "Perkins" about the incident. Then she had him come to the home the next day and filed charges against this man. That is how I knew.

The supervisor said they would never have called the police for something like this, but if the employee wanted to it was up to her. The home did not do such thing.

When the newspaper tried to reach HER for comment, she did not answer the phone.

Kelly

Good for her. Nobody has the right to touch you for any reason when you are doing your job. I would have had him arrested, too. How do you know who she talked to about the incident? According to the paper other employees backed her up saying this wasn't the man's 1st run in with an employee. OMG she didn't answer the phone when the paper called? So what? You seem to have something personal against this woman.

just plain disgusted

Exactly what I thought

nofufucat

Please tell me where I can find the patient bill of rights online or what it is thank you.

jon491

google it

Mum-of-One

"On June 12, Hogan grabbed Parkvue Health Care Center employee Collette Yontz’s hand and clamped down".

That is classed as an assault. How ridiculous. A 78 year old man being accused of assault. What happened to a compassionate and caring attitude to patients and their family during difficult times. I doubt he meant to assault her because if he did he would probably have smacked her one!

wiredmama222

If it was such a classic assault, why did it take her to go ask a cop and a day to have him arrested? Didn't she know it when she saw it? Apparently not. And apparently the judge didn't think so either or he would have jailed him as well. Not so classic is it?

Sweep88

Wiredmama please go away. Please stop posting. Please stop assuming people want to hear your opinions. Please stop assuming you have the answers to everything. Please stop assuming your views should be adopted by everyone. Please stop accusing all other people of being wrong. Or, PLEASE run for president and fix all of the problems in the world.

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thinkagain

One of the best comments ever posted! What makes it great, is its versatility to be used on any of the SR threads. I could plug in many other names and it would still be so very apropos. Let’s see, I think I’ll start with Contango, Big Dog, Office Cat…

wiredmama222

Then you don't think they have the right to post but YOU do? Wow, that is really something. You have the right to speak YOU thoughts but they don't have the right to speak their thought? Only YOUR thoughts count? How interesting! None of them are permitted to say anything about anything but YOU can say what you think and what you feel and can stop them from posting their opinionns and tell them to be quiet and not say a word?.

On who's authority do you feel you have that right? On who's authority do you think you have the right to stop their ammendment rights to free speech? To state their opinions and voice their opinoins on an opinon page? Whenever they feel like it? Whether it agrees with yours or not, as often as they see fit? Who gives you that right? Just asking for further reference!

I didn't know we were now living in a communist state where free speech was no longer available. When did that change?

wiredmama222

I am not assuming anything but you are. This is an opinion page, which allows ANYONE to state their opinions....including me. It doesn't mean you have to READ them or ACCEPT what I say. I do NOT have answers for everything. OH, don't I wish I did. I don't "accuse" others of being wrong, but in this case I do. For specific reasons.

I do not wish to run for President, but thanks for the support. I do not assume that my views should be adopted by everyone and I cannot figure why you would think that. They are opinions, just as yours is. People can take them or leave them. So what? You don't have to accept them at all, but for some reason they bother you? Do they make you think? Anger you?

Good, I hope they do. That is the entire point of other's opinions beside your own. They should make you think. There are opinions stated on here all the time with which I do not agree, and answer back. They make ME think as well. But I don't see them as a threat as much as you do.

Learn from them. You might be surprised how fast you see other people's views open up a whole new world for you. How much your mind expands.

I does for most intelligent people. Why not you?

luvblues2

I don't always agree with you, wiredmama but, well read. People that don't care and just drop off their loved ones in a nursing home, do not visit often, or just simply help tend to their needs, do not understand nor care. I am a witness to such. Just like takin' out the trash. JMHO

cockynurse

Wiredmoma22:

Nowhere in the Resident's Rights does it say family members need to be removed before personal care. http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3721.13 They have a "right to privacy" but they also have a right to have their family participate in care. Have you never watched "Dateline" on NBC? Some family members even put hidden cameras in the rooms of their loved ones.

I am not going to sit here and argue your antiquated beliefs.

For the record, I am an RN. I started my nursing career as a nursing assistant 10 years before I became an RN. As a registered nurse, I have worked at the bedside, as a clinical supervisor, and in administrative roles. I find many fallacies in your statements.

I stand firmly with my position. No family member has the right to assault a staff member who is caring for their loved one. Additionally, I have personally called the police on family members for assaulting staff. I have called the police on patients as well. There is no excuse for this type of behavior-it does not make a difference if the staff member is a nursing assistant, LPN, or RN.

I urge you to research evidence-based nursing practice as well as consider the hard work and dedication nursing assistants commit every time they clock in. You do not sound very fond of nursing assistants-in fact, it appears as though you are the one with a personal vendetta against Yontz. In my opinion, aides do not get the credit they deserve. It can be a very thankless job. A nurse aide is truly an angel in scrubs.

wiredmama222

That is the farthest thing from the truth. I worked long hard hours, long before YOU ever started nursing to get them rights they now hold. What nurses have become now, real nurses, have no idea how VALUABLE some of the aides really are and they treat them as such. I thank you for valuing them.

I detest liars and cheaters in the field of nursing, or those who pass themselves off as those who "PRETEND" to be something they are not. I also despise those who do things to people and pretend to "CARE" about patients when in private they make comments like "I can't stand to spend another weeks wiping their butts", or "I want a differnt kind of life". Such as I have heard over and over.

There is dedication and there is pretend. Which aides do you work with? The true aides I worked with cared or they left?

I may be old, but the people I worked with truly cared about what we did. We didn't let people sit on bed pans until they had rings on their behinds, until they were in pain. They didn't get bedsores or had drool all over their faces while the aides and nurses congregated at the desk to gossip. They didn't lay in their own feces and urine. Nope, they took care of the people under their care. There is a difference now daya....you bet. And sometimes what I see makes me sick to my stomach.

Ask someone near and dear to you about taking their family member to the "HOME". This evidence based nuring pratice as you call it and see even research the assisted living sections. It isn't the type of care, it is the PEOPLE who count. The type of people who count.

Oh, yes, that is what matters. Who is getting into this type of profession that bothers me. Not because I am OLD, but because I care about the elderly and THEIR CARE. Old has nothing to do with it. Cranky has nothing to do with it. I care because I did that kind of work. My aides, bless EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, did that kind of work...every day of their lives. Unfailing and unflinchingly. They didn't downgrade, they didn't belittle and they didn't lie or cheat anyone. They cared. And when a patient (later a client) died...they wept. We all did.

So don't tell me about your position. I understand it completely. It is as firmly entrenched as mine. Perhaps from differnt angles, but just as frimly as mine. Times change, oh yes. But the "attack" as you put it, is no attack at all. It is a man defending his wife because he saw or heard something he could not stand. It is ALL and was all avoidable. I stll don't think it that bad. Apparently neither did this judge, or the man would have been in jail, would he not???

I have nothing more to say to you. We see it differently from two different eras. Its sad how much things change. I see it from the dignity of the patient, you from the point of view of your staff only. If that is the case, I feel sorry for your patients even more so. When did caring for the patients become secondary to the staff? I always thought the patient and their dignity came first and foremost with EVERY nurse, aide and caregiver? I guess that changed too? I guess I didn't get that memo from the State Board.

cockynurse

Actually, the "Code of Ethics" by the American Nurses Association requires the use of evidenced-based practice...this isn't something I just made up especially for you.

As far as my opinion on assaulting a health care worker being unacceptable, HB 62 confirms that I am, by far, NOT the only person with this belief. HB 62 provides that an assault against a health care worker is a felony.

http://www.legislature.state.oh....

I understand you have nothing more to say to me. I guess you don't appreciate educated responses to your arguments and antiquated beliefs when they differ from your opinions.

cockynurse

Wiredmoma:

Consider this:

Another poor, elderly man decides he does not like the way his wife is being treated-regardless of the situation and technicalities or "right vs wrong". He grabs the hand of a nursing assistant and when he finally lets go-his arm swings out to the side or behind him. This is not the first time an incident like this has occurred. Picture this happening in a common area, such as a dining room. When he lets go of the assistant and his arm swings to the side, he accidently strikes another Resident as she walks past and she falls to the ground suffering a head injury. She is on coumadin. She suffers a brain bleed secondary to the fall. She dies. Who is the real victim now? Who gets sued? Who failed to protect the safety of the other Residents?

Food for thought.

Phil Packer

I like to refer to my dad as a resident, not a patient or a client. He has no other address. So I expect him to be treated the same way he would have been in his former home. It's not easy for any of the people involved with this kind of care, that's all I know for sure.

KURTje

Some people are old & hate filled.

wiredmama222

Maybe old, but never hate-filled. Just caring enough to stand up for the elderly. I hate seeing them abused by people who should know better for their own devises

xyz

Wired---please attend a CEU program on evidence based nursing and keep up with the times. Not all nurses feel the way you do about EVERYTHING. You're not the authority on any subject, just very outspoken behind your made up online name. Be more kind to others, you will get good karma in return.

wiredmama222

I have good Karma dear, do you ? Standing up for the elderly is a good thing when one does so for the right reasons. That is exactly what I did. And I never intend to be the "authority" on everything. Nursing lost something when they stopped caring so much about people and started focusing so much on the staff methods and other types of care, don't you know that? I do. I do try and keep up, but once retired, and seeing the crap they teach now, it means little to me. You guys lost a great deal in nursing. How sad that is.

Curley

If Wiredmama is so smart why doesn't she run either for the Sandusy City Commission or the Erie County Commissioners where she can voice her opinion. Maybe they will listen to her on how to run the city or the county. But I agree with other comments on here she should't be making comments if she does not know the whole story.

wiredmama222

Listen to the song " If you Knew Susie", perhaps you would understand better.
I have NO desire to run for ANY political office. Did it once, never again.
I do know the entire story, dear. Sorry you don't

MsQuarderbitty

To all the employees of nursing homes: God Bless You! You people are angles to take care of our family members when we can no longer do it or don't want to do it. Please keep doing what you do because I could never do your job! All of you deserve better compensation and more respect from the public than what you get now!

Julie R.

I agree that some of them are angels --- but certainly not all. My 92-year-old grandmother was in St. Anne's for a month before she died. She was in the same room with another lady who had a massive stroke. I was in total shock the nasty way some young nurse's aide was treating that lady. The last straw came --- she asked her if she wanted some ice cream and she shook her head yes but when she brought it to her she wouldn't take it. The nurse's aide swore and threw the ice cream so hard in the trash it went flying all over. After that incident, I didn't go to her supervisor, I went straight to the head of the hospital. She told me they had complaints about that aide before and the next day she was fired. Obviously, they had a lot of complaints because a few days later a bunch of people from the State were there going around talking to the patients and their family members.

Julie R.

I tend to agree with wiredmama. That nurse sounds to me like a real drama queen. A 78-year-old man I'm sure is under enough stress with his wife in a nursing home without some drama queen calling the cops on him because he "clamped" down on her hand. Why also was the elderly man helping the nurse lift his wife to begin with when that practice is not allowed?

Kelly

Pot meet kettle

wiredmama222

That isn't fair to Julie, now is it? Why, because she is defending what I said? Wow, how limited your skills are at reasoning.

Kelly

It has nothing to do with what you said. Save your wows and your ridiculous insult attempts for someone who takes you seriously. I haven't since your BTL interview.

wiredmama222

I have known this young woman since she was a child and I know that this entire mess with this man has been blown ALL out of proportion. I would bet that if she had it to do all over again, she would do it differently, because she didn't expect it to go this way, nor did she expect it to get this far. She never does. I feel badly for the 78 year old man, who is a victim in this whole mess. I am sure he meant no harm to her AT ALL.

What should have happened did not happen and that is an apology on both sides and a withdrawal of the charges, but it went to far to do that. Like I said, she should have stopped it when she could have but didn't.

Before it is too late, I hope she finds what she is looking for and it isn't in her present position. Right now, she needs what she is doing. I wish her well and wish her good luck. I know she will need it. I sincerely do. I hope whatever it is she is looking for in her life she finds it. I know she isn't there yet, but I hope she does find it.

God helps those who help themselves. Really help themselves! Really!!!

As for the man, I hope God helps he and his wife right now and gives them peace for the remainder of their days. Good luck to them both.

xyz

"I hope she finds what she is looking for and it isn't in her present position. Right now, she needs what she is doing. I wish her well and wish her good luck. I know she will need it. I sincerely do. I hope whatever it is she is looking for in her life she finds it. I know she isn't there yet, but I hope she does find it."

Wired you have a funny way of showing you sincerely wish her well. If you did you never would have commented the way you did -you were the one to start the negative comments toward her... As far as sticking up for the elderly, 78 isn't as old as it used to be. Being 78 doesn't give you an excuse to be abusive to anyone. Just because he is "elderly",does not mean he doesn't have to be held accountable like anyone else would.

wiredmama222

Listen, I wished her well, and I have known her MUCH longer and on more intimate terms than you. I am sure you will NEVER understand this. I do wish her well, I just know she needs some help with some things. She truly does. If you ARE her friend, please see that you get her some. Really get her the help and support that she truly needs. Honestly.

The gentleman may be 78 but you youngster have a funny perception sometimes about what is and isn't the right and wrong or what someone is or isn't doing to another. You also have a funny way of saying what is or isn't abusive. I don't know if you were there or not. I am guessing not. And I am not going to argue this again and again with you but I doubt that he was "abusive" with her at all, especially given the circumstances. He was held accountable now wasn't he? He did what the judge asked. So what do you want him to do now? He is "elderly", dear. What would you call 78 if not elderly? And yes, it is just like it used to be and it deserves just as much respect as it did when I was your age. That is the biggest problem between you and I right there: RESPECT.
So I meant what I said. I hope she finds what she is seeking, whatever it is she is looking for, for what she lost, and is still looking for and wish her well on her way in her search. Just as I said.

Take it or leave it as you so wish. I really don't mind either way. It is no problem with me whatsoever. As I said. I respect your opinion as I do all others. You have every right to express it, to feel it, to say it or whatever you wish. It is a free country, my dear. That is your right as it is mine.

I said what I had to say. I bear no ill will to her or to anyone else. You have a nice night.

luvblues2

If any of you have to put one of your loved ones in a nursing home because you are unable to care for them, be certain to visit them at least once a week and make certain they know you care. Bring any amenities to help, and make sure you understand what they are going through. Talk to the staff. All of them. Unless, you just don't care.

luvblues2

If there is anyway that you can think of to get a hold of me in private, wiredmama, I'd be willing to talk about Patient's Rights. I've had quite enough of my share of the inequities and over costs and abuses of the system. Do NOT post it on this forum.

wiredmama222

I am finding a way to get to your email address or give you mine

ArtCookie

One perspective that obviously has not been addressed is the abouse of nurses in the medical field. This abuse occurs coming from both families and patients. I suppose some (especially Wiredmama) might say that it is to be expected that sometimes nurses will be physically assulted or verbally insulted and humiliated. While I whole heartedly agree with Patient's Rights, I feel that the rights of nursing staff should be just as important. Does a person loose all their rights to safety and humility just because they became a nurse?
I have seen nurses spit on, kicked, punched, bit, clawed, grabbed in inappropriate places, and urinated on. I have witnessed nurses being humilited by sexual, racist, and degrading remarks as well as cursed at and called ludicrous names. If a patient is confused or otherwise mentally compromised I can understand, but more times than not this is coming from perople who are alert and oriented without any mental deficit. And what is a nurse supposed to do in response... state "that isn't appropriate" and calm the situation. Doesn't seem quite right to me... shouldn't the staff be treated with the same respect as the patient? Prehaps facilities should start enforcing nurse's rights as well as that of the patients.

cockynurse

ArtCookie:

I agree with you. I have had a knife pulled on me, a coworker has been stabbed, another coworker choked, and on numerous occasions we have been hit, bit, kicked, urinated on, etc., to the point of nurses receiving broken bones. If we pull away with force, we have now become the aggressor and are subject to criminal, professional, and civil punishment. BUT-we aren't supposed to call the police? Yeah, right. If you're my patient or a family member of a patient and you do this to me-bet your bottom I'm calling the police.

luvblues2

This is really getting out of hand. I can name just a few cases of nursing staff getting out of hand in my wife's previous condition. This is not all the fault of the patient nor the family or nurses or assistants. There has to be some middle ground. I really would rather not name the places that I know my wife had bad treatment nor the people involved. If you are not suited for this environment, do not assume to take it up for the money. That isn't what it's about.

KURTje

Old does not always make one right. Wrong is always wrong no matter what age & who the actions are directed at. Knowing some that had their driving rights removed (medical reasons) & seeing them STILL drive, it made me upset. Some old people are like spoiled children & unwise.

just plain disgusted

Since reading some of these comments I have to leave my own comment since I have witnessed incidents with this person. He has assaulted more than 1 staff member, screams and cusses in staffs face over insignificant things among other things I will not post here. He also had 2 restraining orders against him due to his behavior towards staff. Basically staff was told to put up with it because of his payer status. To the ones who assume the nurse did something wrong obviously you have never worked in long term care and work short staffed under high stress situations and have to put up with abuse from unreasonable family members. There is a big difference when the abuse comes from a resident we tolerate that we understand they are not in the right frame of mind or are unhappy they have been put in a nursing home but there is no reason for a family member to put their hands on staff members ever!