Huron schools anticipate major budget shortfall

Administrators at Huron Schools said they could be face a $2 million shortfall by the end of the school year.
Jessica Cuffman
Oct 1, 2012

And while the district could plug the hole by dipping into its $7.7 million rainy day fund, that certainly wouldn’t be ideal.  

When treasurer Mike Weis presented the budget forecast at a meeting Tuesday, he laid out the bottom line: income simply can’t keep up with expenses, as state dollars, property taxes and grant funding continue to decline.

Weis said the gap could be closer to just $1.6 million, rather than $2 million, if income and expenses end up as he hopes.

“There are a lot of unknowns right now that I can’t guarantee,” he said.

To keep reading this story, pick up a copy of Monday's Register. 

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Ummmm..
And then there's the legal fees incurred..

rickross2

Moderators have removed this comment because it was hilariously funny and awesome.

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hahaha... good one !

UgtaBkdnMe

@Sold

You didn't read this. If Tsu's comment about your head up Fred's butt peaved you, you would have been fuming over this one.

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UgtaB-
Rarely am I peaved by anything anyone on here says except for not having anything to add to the thread. Like your comment above. What exactly have you added ?

Because of posts like yours I continually repeat the REAL issue so that this isn't just a 'Sold You're Nuts' chat room.

Here we go again: Huron School's shortfall but.. There's a 7 million dollar rainy day fund. The answer behind door #3 is: There is no shortfall.

I'm sure whatever Ricketc said was very funny. So keep laughing and posting nothing.

UgtaBkdnMe

It was hilarious. It was something about Fox's junk blocking your ability to speak.

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UgtaB-
That's some funny stuff. Once again proving that most of you have nothing to say that is relevant to anything. Why are you wasting your talents here ?

wiredmama222

Sold....just read the editorial page in today's paper. I guess that report this school board paid for isn't worth the paper it was written on. People's reputations and lives were ruined for NOTHING? Why would anyone want to do that? It turned out the treasurer was the point man on the Kalahari deal all along, and NOT your super? Why would this board do that to Fox and to this owner of Kalahari? They killed the goose that lays the golden eggs. WOW, how dumb can you be? I said that from the beginning.
I doubt the State is going to take this too seriously now. In fact, will they take ANY of it seriously after this mess?
If I was on this board, I would get down on my knees and start praying for lightening to strike me. Or find a way to apologize in spades. This just blew up in their faces. That lawsuit may take their rainyday fund and a whole bunch more. Bad, bad, bad. Someone didn't think this through, did they?

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WiredMama222-
Funny that all that you just reported is exactly what I have been saying all along.

'Why would anyone want to do that ?'

Mama.. Obviously the 'anyone' in this case is covering their own trail. Never once have I accused the current Huron Board of Education of intelligence.

The Markling Report did nothing but accuse a good man of doing everything but the good things he has done.

As I said before: Someone is going to pay for this.. And it's not going to be Fred Fox.

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I would say you had better be dipping into those funds, Mike.

What would be your other options ?
Cuts in staff ? Like a deputy superintendent ?
A levy ?

Good luck.

PS - There's quite a difference between 1.6 and 2 million.. (Well maybe not in your world ?)..

Cowboy

It's funny how these people can balance their own personal budget at home but give them someone else's money to be responsible for and they are off by 2 million dollars. Sure makes you wonder doesn't it? I hope the fine tooth comb comes out here because someone needs to lose their job over this one!

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Cowboy-
Possibly 'these people' don't do so great with their budgets at home or in their businesses ?

This report is just another 'red herring' or smokescreen to lay the blame for a shortcoming on Fred Fox. Funny.. He doesn't have a vote when the board of education does.

Usually when a school district has a 'rainy day fund' this is just such a rainy day where they quietly just use some. Why is it even there if it's just something to talk about and guard like a state secret ?

UgtaBkdnMe

So are you for or against the rainy day fund? Your comment is hard to follow, surprise surprise.

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UgtaB-
Apparently my 'ramblings' are hard to follow when skimmed ?

For the record: I am not so against A 'rainy day fund' as I am against making it sound like there is a shortfall when there is a 'rainy day fund'.

Like the Markling Report the issuance of the 'Rainy Day' report was done for a reason and the reason is just like when a magician shows you one hand while fooling you with the other. The hand is quicker than the eye, but in this case the Board is hoping you will listen to their rhetoric instead of seeing the truth.

**(Hope this was easy enough for you to follow and thanks for at least asking for a clarification)**

Informed

Well, Cowboy, it's kind of hard to predict the future.

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Informed-
Here's a prediction: Huron City Schools will not need a 'new' money levy for years to come.. Even with the legal fees that TDN thinks are being so handily covered.

Sandusky Register ! Try to let us know when the liability reaches 10 million !

Informed

Gee, Sold, I thought old Freddy did such a great job as superintendent that the schools were sound financially. These problems didn't just suddenly develop the few months Fox has been on leave. Guess he wasn't so great after all, huh?

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Three words: Rainy Day Fund..

Check into that one and really be Informed.

UgtaBkdnMe

Amen, Informed !

UgtaBkdnMe

Amen, Informed !

BAM272

@rickross2: priceless, probably one of the best comments ever!

rickross2

I thought so too. I guess the moderator had a different opinion on it though. Thanks for the support!

PS

Darn, I missed it. :(

Darkhorse

I thought Fox was so great and here Huron finds out they are in the hole for 2 million?

Huron_1969

Didn't you get the memo? It's never Fox's fault.

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Once again for the uninformed: 7 Million Rainy Day Fund.

Truly.. For once be informed and look into this account. It is there for a reason and didn't just appear.

I am truly amazed at how uninformed people can be even after alledgidly reading the article ?

UgtaBkdnMe

allegedly...you're the spelling and grammar police and I'm your deputy HAHAHA

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UgtaB-
One more time and then no more wasted time on you: I don't care how people spell or use their words and especially when they have something to say.

You have obviously not read much that I have posted. It's your other cohorts on here that can only finding spelling and grammatic errors to talk about instead of what is really being talked about. If you have nothing better to do I will send you my postings first so you can correct them ?

UgtaBkdnMe

Amen, Huron !

donutshopguy

The "sacred one" Mr. Fox is not so perfect. Sounds like no one was tending to the school while he was at play. Same goes for the 5 board members and the treasurer.

Huron_1969

looks like you transposed the letter "a" and "c", correct spelling is... scared

UgtaBkdnMe

Amen !

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I am almost 100% with you Donut !

UgtaBkdnMe

Except for the part where Freddy Boy isn't perfect. Right?

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UgtB-
I highly doubt you would be allowed to call Mr. Fox, Freddy Boy in a face to face with him ?

And in answer, you are correct. I do not in any way, shape, or form claim that Fred Fox is perfect, but in comparison to the board and the treasurer.. I'm only going to say again that I am almost 100% with what Donut said.

Sit n Spin

I forgot that Freddy Boy was such a hard a$$. Please Sold, I've been in his presence on several occasions and he is anything but that. Watch UgtB Freddy Boy might go all Ninja on ya !

UgtaBkdnMe

@Sold

You highly doubt I would be ALLOWED to call Mr. Fox Freddy Boy in a face to face? Why wouldn't I be ALLOWED? Are you now policing cooth? Granted, it might not be nice, it might be tacky but to say I am not ALLOWED is nonsense. Everytime I read your blogs I think "You got to be kidding me!"

Tsu Dho Nimh

rickross2...caught your comment earlier today and it was funny! I've always thought that Sold has his head so far up Fox's behind that it looks like he is wearing a brown dog collar.

Huron..."scared" Fox is right!

UgtaBkdnMe

Amen, Tsu !

Darwin's choice

well, haters, who do you think accrued that "rainy day fund" ? certainly not the current board members.........

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Exactly Darwin. People posting on here have nothing to add except comedy. Too bad they missed the part about the rainy day fund. Where did it come from ? In return for discount golf ? A donation from the Huron Hardware store ?

No.. Wait..

Keep up the jokes. Who will be laughing the hardest will be the lawyers.

This is all fun and games until someone's reputation and career are ruined by an illegally delivered report documenting not one person under oathe. Plenty will be under oathe after this is over. But.. none of you. Sit back and do nothing for anyone and watch someone who has get raked over the coals. Now THAT'S entertainment.

UgtaBkdnMe

Fox doesn't have a vote but he is to credit for the hefty rainy day fund? I don't think so. The treasurer is responsible for getting and keeping the district financially sound.

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U Got To Be Kidding Us-
Responsible for getting and keeping ?

Obviously YOU KNOW NOTHING ?

The treasurer is responsible for counting. Oh.. and notes from meetings called minutes.

Now a good treasurer makes sure the district follows the letter of the law in it's spending and also in it's saving.

Getting and keeping.. That's priceless... hahaaha

abigbear

Guess it has to RAIN TO DIP into RAINY DAY FUNDS BETTER START POURING

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You go Bear !
Time to spend some of that fund. How much RAIN has to fall ? Interesting that this report on being 'in the hole' comes now ?

Who do we blame ?

Or.. Is this just the way business is done and maybe the treasurer should have just asked this astute board if they could cover the debt ? Funny.

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How do you folks possibly not find a way to attack Fred Fox ?

Where do you think the 7 million dollar rainy day fund came from ? Your pockets.

And when the liability insurance runs out at 10 million, guess what ?

I assume you guessed you would be paying again ?

Let's see... After we run out the liability and then the 'rainy day fund'... What do you think the board could get if they sold 'Kalahari Field' ?

Gardenman

To me it's no surprise that Huron is in the hole by $1.6 - $2 million at the end of this year. This is true in school system after school system across the state. The state legislature and the Governor put these budget cuts in place last year to plug the hole in the state budget. Not just schools were hit with up to 33% cut it also hit towns, cities, townships, counties, etc took almost a 50% hit in state funding this year. Those are pretty big cuts to did yourself out of when you have many fixed expenses.

Trying have any realistic working budget by any of these govermental levels is extremely different. All of us were pleased by the cuts in property taxes many of us received but many of us also said what happens when less dollars are going to townships, cities, counties, schools etc. Well those cuts in property taxes could mean cuts in services, people. Result will be all of those levels of government possibly asking for additional voter approved levies.

There is always the echos of those who will say cut people, services, etc. BUT the reality cut but don't cut plowing my street when it snows or filling the chuck holes on the roads I drive or cut police patrols in my neighborhood. The philosophy is it's fine to cut services that affect the other guy BUT just not those that affect me personally.

I have no doubt that Huron City Schools are short funds in the upcoming months. I have no doubt they have spent scarce funds for unnecessary legal services.

The unfortunate reality is no matter how dire their need is this Board has created an environment that those who have supported their requests for money in the past and those that probably would have voted for it this time will not vote for it.

It may just take an entirely new Board of Education sitting at the table before this community passes another school levy regardless of how badly the money is needed.

Tsu Dho Nimh

You are correct in that the financial decline is being experienced by all school districts and is not unique to Huron. At this point, the district's insurance policy is paying for the legal fees and will for quite a while. As far as possibly passing a levy, I agree that one would not stand a snowball's chance in hell at this time. However, let us not forget that Huron typically cannot pass a levy the first time through. The Fox situation would be a convenient excuse for those who always vote against a levy.

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Finally TDN !
It's you again !
(Who's been writing your material lately ?)

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Amen, Gardenman !

Well thought out and you sure make sense.

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TDN-
You are a lot less than I gave you credit for.

If my head's where you say at least it's only up one. You seem to stick your head into anyone's who will sing your same tune ?

Eventually TDN it's going to be a pretty lonely place to spend your time.

Come up with your own information like you used to. Even if it didn't approach the truth, at least it was more entertaining then you just saying, 'Good one !' every time one of these hater's types.

Tsu Dho Nimh

I will tell you why I do not have "discussions" with you anymore. You spend your time criticizing people's spelling and grammar usage but sound like a crybaby when someone points out yours (i.e. Attorneys). You call people names (i.e. monkey testis). When was the last time you "agreed to disagree" with anyone on these posts? You attack people regarding what they have said when if fact it was someone else who has shared the thought. If I find a comment funny, I will let the person know I thought it was funny. I could care less if you think less of me. You are not that important!

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TDN-
In the end I may not be 'that important', but after this is all said and done what I have said over and over will turn out to be 'that important' and all that you have said won't make a difference whether it was spelled correctly, or not.

As I have repeatidly said: If you have nothing to add, then why bother ?

And as for what you claimed above:
#1 = I only criticize people's lack of having anything to say. I did one time question whether a particular poster could actually complete a sentence and for that I 'spend my time criticizing' ?

Here's a word from this 'crybaby': I'm not going to gloat when the mess ends up back in the 3 Stooges' laps. I will still be very unhappy that it all had to happen and allow people who do nothing for anyone else to judge someone who has done so much.

Good luck to you TDN.. I really, at one time, thought you really had something to say.

underthebridge

How does a school district accumulate $7 million in a fund for rainy days? I'm honestly asking.

Tsu Dho Nimh

I thought the dollar amount was high, too.

Bland

I agree with both of you-it is high. But I'll give them (the Board, Weis, and Fox) credit for saving it and not spending. (Not saying Fox is right nor wrong, but under his leadership he did help the school financially.)

underthebridge

So did the school district under-estimate the funds generated from levies? Did the school district over-estimate expenses?

Darwin's choice

It's taken many years to accumulate the fund, and with some good leadership, and vision. The current board has had nothing to do with it! I believe Fred Fox is the only one of the group that has been there all along. And, who vetted the newest superintendent?

Tsu Dho Nimh

As surprising and disturbing as the allegations are, it is very possible that none of this would have shown on a typical backgroung check. A BCI check would not have shown this and he has multiple teaching licenses, all in good standing. He also had good recommendations. Mr. Wechter DID NOT perform a simple google search to find these files. Try googling his name and you will see that very little appears and what does is positvie articles praising his leadership. These files are the work of a law office. Chris Wechter is working on behalf of his good buddy, Fred Fox.

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TDN-
Possibly Chris Wechter is, but isn't it time someone did ?

I, for one, do not care about the 'current' super.

And for the record: Find a post where I corrected someone's spelling ? I could care less. And as for 'pig testi'.. I'll claim that as calling a spade a spade.

You obviously ran out of solid arguement and then joined the bunch who only comment on me instead of what is going on with the Huron Board of Education. It's ok.. I no longer agree to disagree. This is a mess, and is a mess because of the actions of 3 board members.. and two of them are not Asher and Caporini. As I have said many times: I may not be Asher and Caporini's biggest fan, but in this case they are right.

Darwin's choice

So, the current board of "lawyers", are again showing their incompetence in hiring this "glowing" replacement? Who is the law office for the board? Maybe the boards law firm recomended not to hire him, and again, they went against their own lawyers advice! Either way, if Mr. Wechter was able to find this information, why wasn't the board able to? As Forrest Gump says, "stupid is as stupid does".

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Amen, Darwin !

donutshopguy

The administration of this school system is a mess. It is dysfunctional and destructive.

The superintendent, the treasurer and the board members need to be sent packing. The whole rotten disgusting bunch.

As with cancer, you have to remove all the bad cells or it grows back.

Julie R.

The school accumulated a $7 million dollar rainy day fund because of the high property taxes everybody has been paying for YEARS and YEARS thanks to the last two INCOMPETENT auditors before Rick Jeffrey took over. Good thing they accumulated it because those days are over.

UgtaBkdnMe

Nice letter in the forum Sold. Looks like the repeater fixed your spelling errors.

donutshopguy

Sold,

When you mention the "astute board" in your sarcasm I'm sure you are including Mr. Caporini and Mr. Asher? Funny.

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Donut you would be CORRECT ! (Although obviously Caporini and Asher have attempted to follow the law ?)..

UgtaBkdnMe

Sold will never agree but Caporini and Asher will be "taken down" before this ends. They're not protecting Fox. They're protecting themselves.

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Tell us more oh wise one..
Just what are those two protecting themselves from ?

I really want to know what you think you know.
I really expect nothing from you as you, as usual, can't say anything unless I do first. Oh wait.. I did so now you have something to write about.

Now keep it straight Kidding.. Don't criticize what I have said. Tell us all what you know. Why are Caporini and Asher protecting themselves ?

For real. If you really have something to add besides allegations.. Add it.

donutshopguy

Sold,

With your sarcasm about "astute" board members are you talking about the whole board? Funny.

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Donut-
Like you, I'm including them all, but the only common denominator in the 'rainy day fund' is John Caporini.

I believe, and I may be wrong, but the reason I say: I believe.. That the 'Rainy Day Fund' is something the board is forced to accumulate by the state.

Donut-
I never said any of this board was right. I do believe that Caporini and Asher were actually looking out for the school, the board and Mr. Fox when they asked for the rest to follow the law ? How could anyone be against that ?

Tmm

Sold what pray tell have you added to this topic over the last 4 months other than repeating yourself over and over? New register articles come out but your nutty rants are the same. Please state something that you haven't already put on these fox blogs. I understand you are being attacked and your ego is causing you to respond but your responses are the same every time. Take your own advise and come up with something new ok my little nutty buddy!

UgtaBkdnMe

Amen, Tmm !

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hahaha...
You're right Tmm..
I'm bored with it, too.

So I will just wait for the outcome which I have predicted.

I have been having fun bantering with KiddingMe, but even that is getting old fast because KiddingMe really does not have an original thought. If what the folks on here say is considered an attack, I only wish it were the worst I'd ever been under. Keep trying.

Fred Fox is an innocent man who got caught up in politics.

I really don't have anything to add to that.

You're right, Tmm.

From now on I'm going to just post this:
Wake up, Huron.. We need a new board of education !

PS.. Politics aside, it's just good business sense not to spit in the face of your number one benefactor.. (There's no spell check, but I will assume you can read and know what I mean, Tmm).

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Wake up, Huron.. We need a new board of education !

(There it is, Tmm..)

UgtaBkdnMe

Wake up, Huron...elect Sold for board of education ! He will stop the bleeding. Sold will implement smart cost reduction actions that are needed. He won't focus on getting rid of Fox and chase away the district's largest philanthropic supporter. He knows what questions to ask and understands that Fox led this District out of receivership and to solid academic and financial success. He is the only one on here that gets that we desperately need Mr. Fox back.

Is this more to your liking, Sold ? This sounds like a new thought to me !

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lol... That's perfect Ugta !
(Except Sold is not running for the board and I'm not the only one here that understands Fred Fox's worth.. But.. Vote for Sold ! A vote for Sold is one less for Sowecke).

Great post ! I'm still laughing. You do have a sense of humor.

middleclass

well once again the register screw something up time of entries is all over the place not worth following

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Amen Middleclass !

Tmm

Well said sold. I agree about replacing the board.

Middle class if everyone on here would use the Add New Comment box instead of hitting reply these comments would be easier to follow.

Julie R.

Tmm is correct. Use the Add New Comment box instead of hitting Reply so the comments will be easier to follow. Maybe the SR could go back to telling which comments are NEW, also.

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Well..
I like that the replies end up under the comment.

Tmm-
When this is all said and done the current Huron BOE needs an overhaul.

Scott Slocum is currently looking for a job and will probably move out of the district.

Donna Greene will have to answer for the Huron Memorial Stadium sign debacle.

Tim Sowecke will have to answer for the acting outside of his responsibilities and delivering the Markling report to the OEC without asking the rest of the board.

Caporini and Asher, (while attempting to keep the board following the law), will be seen by half of the Huron residents as attempting to protect Fred Fox, or themselves.

They all should just go.

Any time the average resident can name all 5 BOE members is a bad thing. They are just supposed to do their jobs and then get re-elected because no one runs against them. I'm going to bet that there will be some competition in the next couple elections.. lol

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Oops.. I forgot:

Wake up, Huron.. We need a new board of education !

Julie R.

I'm beginning to see your point, Sold ..... maybe they should ALL go.

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Julie R-
I am really physically ill over this mess. It's like a snowball rolling downhill and picking up victoms as it rolls.

The whole situation could have been prevented if Tim Sowecke had not, on his own,(and with no knowledge to the other 4 Huron BOE members), taken the erroneous Markling report to the OEC thus making it a public document.

Fred Fox has been tried by the public and according to what was in the report.

I don't see any other way to disassociate this board's actions from the Huron City Schools besides a complete overhaul.

Now.. After having said that I really, truly believe that John Caporini and Kevin Asher have tried to keep this mess legal, but are being out voted 3-2 consistantly. I don't believe those two deserve to be the next victoms from this mess.

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I especially enjoyed reading this part of the Register's crow eating article:

'It's unfortunate the Markling report made the erroneous allegations against Nelson, and the error puts the entire report in question regarding all of its conclusions.'

Wake up Huron.. We need a new board of education !

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Also from the Register:

'End result: Any allegations that Fred Fox pushed for Kalahari to receive a more favorable tax break have fallen by the wayside.'

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It's been what.. 8 months since this rendition of the Huron Board of Education has been in place. How much education do you think they've discussed ?

In fact, the only thing this board has accomplished is to get an erroneous, lawyered up report into the hands of the public to smear the good name of Fred Fox.

Many people have weighed in on this 'debate' over the past several months. Many of them had their opinions swayed by the flawed report. In fact, most of you only know what you have read in that report.

What is it exactly you are all upset with Fred Fox about now that the truth has come out that the report you are quoting is not the truth ?

Good luck repairing what this has done to the district. This is worse than receivership. This is worse than a 'major budgetary downfall'. This is a situation that will not heal itself.

Lawsuits from this mess are going to go on for years and cost everyone in legal fees and awards.

And the worst part is: Who is worried about educating Huron students. The Three Stooges ? Apparently the only thing they are worried about is the criminal mastermind Fred Fox. Even to the point of hiring a replacement superintendent with a highly questionable backround and then paying said super about $700 a day plus fringes. He even gets paid to and from his home in Bowling Green.

The Three Stooges seem to do everything hastily and without thinking what the fallout will be. We voted them into office by voting and by not voting. We put ourselves into this mess.

How are we going to fix it ?

Informed

None of this changes the fact that Fox had an affair during work hours using work resources. He should be fired for that alone, since that is tantamount to stealing. He also took gifts from a vendor (Kalahari) of more than $25 in value. Both of these things violate ethics rules. Fox should absolutely NOT return.

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OK Informed:
Kalahari is NOT A VENDOR ! I repeat: NOT A VENDOR !
They sell nothing to the Huron City Schools. Vendors do.
I hope this clears up that issue in your mind because IT IS NOT AN ISSUE !
Didn't you read the articles in this newspaper stating that there was nothing out of the ordinary about Kalahari's tax abatements ? Kalahari pays taxes to the Huron City Schools. THEY ARE NOT A VENDOR !

Once again let's go over this affair business.
Fred Fox is a 24 hour 7 days a week employee. His time on and off the clock often merge. I would like you, or anyone else for that matter, to prove what Fred Fox did, or did not do on and off the clock for the last year. Good luck.

This is all you have ?

And by the way.. A violation of an ethics 'rule' should warrent verbal, followed by written warnings, followed by suspension with pay, followed by suspension without pay, followed by termination . Someone forgot to write Fred Fox up.

Wake up Informed.. I mean Huron ! We need a better board !

Tsu Dho Nimh

For those of you who do not think that Mr. Fox's use of the school email system is a big deal, please check out this link: http://toolsforteachersohio.word... This is from the Ohio Department of Education.

Fifty-five pages of PERSONAL email (many that make sexual innuendos) is not acceptable. Behavior unbecoming to the teaching profession is reason enough for termination. This is just ONE behavior that the board needed to address. The Arizona trip is another valid reason for termination. I have said all along that one offense could have warranted a reprimand but the board is within its legal authority to pursue termination. Could this situation been handled differently? Most likely it could have. I, too, am sickened by this whole mess. What sickens me the most is that two board members did not want to pursue disciplinary action at all. Would Mr. Sowecke have delivered the Markling Report to the OEC if Mr. Caporini and Mr. Asher had been cooperative in investigating Mr. Fox? Unfortunately, we will never know.

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TDN-
55 pages ? Wow !
So they needed to tell Fred Fox privately not to use his school email for personal business. Write him up. You and I are actually in agreement as to employees using business email for personal reasons. Heaven knows how many people post on here while using their company's computers. Firing someone for that would have to mean they totally disregarded a direct order not to use it while they were on company time. I still do not see the proof that Fred Fox was definitely on company time. And if he was.. Where's his warning ? Where's his write up ? It seems to me that in doing their due diligence that a publicly elected official may decide to do things by the book since their actions are actually viewed by the public ?

The Arizona trip is a whole other matter for which Fred Fox was reimbursed by the treasurer at the direction of board members. Where is Fred Fox's crime ?

And once again you have a problem with Asher and Caporini. It isn't that they didn't want to pursue disciplinary action.. They actually wanted to do it in a proper and legal manner.

Sowecke delivered the Markling report knowing full well he did not have the blessing of ANY other board member or the board's attorneys, (see that spelling ? lol). He did it on his own. You want him to sound like some kind of hero for delivering a slanted report, that even the Sandusky Register is now disregarding, and delivering it despite the fact that he cannot act as a board member outside of an official meeting ? Despite the fact that attorney Markling was not even hired to produce the report ?

I know you are sickened by this mess, TDN, but I'm amazed at a man's due process being completely ignored in this country and that doesn't sicken you in the least ?

And your 'unfortunately, we will never know', while dramatic, is also far from the truth because under oath, eventually we are all going to find out what exactly Caporini and Asher were attempting to do with their no votes. It may not be soon, TDN, but soon enough the whole truth and nothing but the truth will be spelled out for all of us.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Asher is a liar and that is a documented fact. He files an injunction to not pay the law firm. Point number one in this injunction is that he is a licensed attorney in the State of Ohio. He is NOT a licensed attorney in this state and has NEVER been a licensed attorney in this state. Don't waste your time trying to correct my statements because the State of Ohio verifies this. The man never filed to be active. Also, he has never submitted CEUs. What was the purpose of lying? Whether he is an attorney or not has absolutely no bearing in the purpose of the injunction. A man who will lie about something like this will lie about anything. His arrogance will eventually do him in. Personally, I will have a big smile on my face when everything settles. He only tells the truth when a lie doesn't fit!

Informed

Sold, I am going to say this once more and then I am done trying to discuss anything with you. During school hours, Fox is expected to be working unless he took a vacation or sick day. He emailed his mistress numerous times with sexually-charged messages during school hours. To me, that doesn't deserve a written reprimand. That deserves termination. Not to mention the fact that he was meeting with her during school hours (that's also in an email).
The school board considers Kalahari a vendor. That's all that matters. They do business with them. End of discussion.
Even if everything else in the report is false, these two things alone warrant termination, and the board has every right to proceed with that. However, I highly doubt that everything in the report is wrong.
The fact that he emailed Nelson saying he wanted to take his "administrators" on a trip to the Dells, which included a strip club, is highly unprofessional as well. If it wasn't a "school" trip, then why did he word the email in such fashion?
The guy needs to go regardless of the board.

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Informed-
We could argue about this forever, but the absolute truth is that Kalahari is NOT a vendor. They sell nothing to the Huron City Schools. Vendors like Toft Dairy, Coke, etc do sell to the school. Kalahari is absolutely NOT a vendor.

The email use is interesting. It used to be a big thing not to use your business email for personal use, but it was because the size of the information could not be handled. These days employers, including the school district, are not as concerned about the email use because their systems can handle the extra info. Just giving you a little tip about how it will all come down. (And I guess Donna Greene's use of Ohio State's email as her personal email is wrong, too ? Maybe Markling should do a report on her ?).

Fred Fox is well within his rights to take administrators on a team building trip. And even the strip club. They are all over 18. Since when did you stop being a man when you went to work for a school. I'd be real concerned if they were doing something with students, (like a class trip), but they weren't.

It's really none of our business where these men go on their own time, But now, you, and others, think you can judge people because you have been given information that should have never reached your eyes. Tim Sowecke took care of that. How would you like someone looking into your life ? I'll bet you and TDN would love a Markling report on you. Imagine what he would say about you.

And TDN-
I don't know all that about Kevin Asher. Really, in the big scheme of things, I really don't care about whether he is/can be/does/does not practice law. He has a business that does quite well. The only thing I'm concerned with is that Kevin does not believe we, (taxpayers), should pay for a report that was not authorized. It's all about authorization with school expenditures. Just like Fred Fox being authorized to be reimbursed for the Arizona trip. Authorization has to come from the entire board, not individual members. They vote to authorize.. They don't just go to the treasurer and tell him to write a check like Donna Greene did for the Huron Memorial Stadium sign. Or, like Tim Sowecke did with the Markling report. They have to act as a board. No individual OK's.

But.. You know that TDN. I really am not understanding what Kevin Asher or John Caporini have done to you, but you sure seem to have a personal interest in them ?

It's already all been spelled out. Even the Register has printed that the Markling report cannot be thought to be fact. Why are you still talking about what was in it ? Isn't it more important at this time to look at the motivation behind smearing Fred Fox ? Why did the 3 Stooges go after Fred ?

I've been asking this question from the beginning and every time I spell out the reasons I get deleted. This entire mess that will affect the Huron City Schools for years all goes back to one man's hatred for Fred Fox.

I will be the one smiling at the end of this. In fact I will probably laugh out loud when all of the facts are layed out. The truth. The whole truth and nothing but the truth. Tim Sowecke better get used to that pledge.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Informed...Sold will never admit that what you are saying is true. He will keep justifying "Freddy Boy's" (got that name from another post) actions 'til the cows come home. It does not matter what his take is on what are work hours and what is appropriate. The Ohio Dept. of Education will hold good ole Fred accountable. If the man has a license when they are done, I will be surprised.

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Better start practicing your surprised look, TDN.

The 'cows' haven't arrived yet, but when it is all said and done I believe that the proper people will pay for what they have done. This entire episode is about abusing your position and I'm not talking about Fred Fox.

Top to bottom, this entire situation is rotten. The only thing I have done from the beginning is tell you that there is more to this than what Fred Fox did or did not do.

It's not about what he did or did not do as stated in the bogus Markling report. This is all about what he has done while doing his job. You aren't going to find it in 'board minutes'. This all started long ago and some people will not rest until they 'get' Fred Fox.

The truth. The whole truth and nothing but the truth.
(I will believe any report that begins with those phrases).

Tsu Dho Nimh

All that matters is what ODE thinks and the he said she said that is not recorded or documented does not really matter.

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TDN-
This is exactly what I've been telling you. The OEC is only going to look at documented issues. Nothing in the Markling report is under oath nor will it even be considered by the OEC.

Take away the Markling report, as it is bogus, and what exactly does the Huron Board of Education have on Fred Fox ?

Disect this entire issue and even you should be able to see what a waste of time and money going after Fred Fox is.

1luckydog

If we are to look at emails, let's look at every employee of the school system. Not just the one we are trying to hang. I am sure many of our so highly held teachers have done the same.

Tmm

Luckydog it's actually pretty easy to get every email a teacher has made on their school provide (taxpayer funded) email system. Just make a request through the board office and by state law the emails must be released. Every school employee in Ohio is reminded over and over that emails produced through this system is public record. That is what makes Fox's use of this system to conduct an affair so incredibly astounding. He is either very stupid or just didn't give 2 shi//s who found out. Fox was making 100 plus K a year. You would think he had the means or intelligence to use his own private email.

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Tmm is correct on all counts.
Personel files are also available to a certain extent.

Tmm it is astounding to me, too. Fred works so much that his work/off times are definately blurred, but why he didn't just hook up with Yahoo I can't even explain.

I know it's amazing, but I have nothing to add to this post.. lol

Tsu Dho Nimh

Sold..you posted something that makes sense and I can actually be in agreement with you. Do you see my surprised look? Good thing I practiced!

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Keep practicing TDN.. It will be one surprise after another.

I have never argued that Fred Fox did not use his school email to converse with a certain Fremont administrator. I can argue the content and timing until your cows come home, but no arguement here about him using it.

The interesting part about email use is what I posted above. It no longer appears that school systems do not allow employees to use their school email accounts as their personal accounts ?

News Flash !!! Here's an example: green.308@OSU.edu

Yes TDN, Donna Green uses her OSU email account as her personal account. OSU is definately a school.

Also, TDN.. I have recently seen an email from Donna Green that states that she agreed that Fred Fox should be reimbursed for his Arizona trip. She conceded that the majority wanted to reimburse Fred Fox so she went along with it. The example used in the email was that school board members go to a conference in Columbus every November and while they are there they visit with relatives and friends so why would it not be okay for Fred Fox to mix business with pleasure ?

This is how it's all going to go down.
Emails = So what ?
Arizona Trip = Totally reimbursable
Kalahari = Not a vendor
Donna Green = Owes school district $7,000 for sign at stadium
Tim Sowecke = lawsuit for 2.5 million and recalled for board seat
Scott Slocum = Relocation, steps down
John Caporini = Tried to follow laws and voted no to stop nonsense
Kevin Asher = Injunction held, continues not to practice law in Ohio

Keep practicing, TDN.. You will need that surprised look a lot in the near future.

The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth,
(Under oath, many stories will change)

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Keep practicing TDN.. It will be one surprise after another.

I have never argued that Fred Fox did not use his school email to converse with a certain Fremont administrator. I can argue the content and timing until your cows come home, but no arguement here about him using it.

The interesting part about email use is what I posted above. It no longer appears that school systems do not allow employees to use their school email accounts as their personal accounts ?

News Flash !!! Here's an example: green.308@OSU.edu

Yes TDN, Donna Green uses her OSU email account as her personal account. OSU is definately a school.

Also, TDN.. I have recently seen an email from Donna Green that states that she agreed that Fred Fox should be reimbursed for his Arizona trip. She conceded that the majority wanted to reimburse Fred Fox so she went along with it. The example used in the email was that school board members go to a conference in Columbus every November and while they are there they visit with relatives and friends so why would it not be okay for Fred Fox to mix business with pleasure ?

This is how it's all going to go down.
Emails = So what ?
Arizona Trip = Totally reimbursable
Kalahari = Not a vendor
Donna Green = Owes school district $7,000 for sign at stadium
Tim Sowecke = lawsuit for 2.5 million and recalled for board seat
Scott Slocum = Relocation, steps down
John Caporini = Tried to follow laws and voted no to stop nonsense
Kevin Asher = Injunction held, continues not to practice law in Ohio

Keep practicing, TDN.. You will need that surprised look a lot in the near future.

The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth,
(Under oath, many stories will change)

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A lot of things that us common folks would never even think about have come up through this debacle.

Email use by employees. Yes, they are using their email for personal communication.

Rainy Day Fund. Yes, through Fred Fox's leadership the Huron City Schools have gone from receivership to having a $7 million reserve.

Gloomy report. Yes the Huron City Schools are spending more than they are bringing in. (Especially now with lawyer fees).

School board members acting on their own and not as school board members. We would know none of this if this hadn't come out during this mess. Not only is this board locked in a 3-2 vote, they also have members, (Tim Sowecke, Donna Green), acting as if they are board members and doing things in the name of the board even though the only time they are school board members is when they are at an official meeting of the board of education.

School administrators are actually human. They make mistakes and yes they even go to strip clubs.

The things we've learned.

Huron_1969

Today's lesson - Perseverance

per·se·ver·ance/ˌpərsəˈvi(ə)rəns/Noun:
1.Steadfastness in doing something despite difficulty or delay in achieving success.
2.Continuance in a state of grace leading finally to a state of glory.

3. Attempting to hold a "no spin" conversation with SOLD

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Hahaha... Huron_1969..

Of course you actually highlighted MY middle name:
per·se·ver·ance/ˌpərsəˈvi(ə)rəns/Noun:
1.Steadfastness in doing something despite difficulty or delay in achieving success.
2.Continuance in a state of grace leading finally to a state of glory.

Thanks for pointing out that I persevere.
(Now there's some spin 69 !)

Tsu Dho Nimh

As they say down South, Sold...Bless your heart!

Huron_1969

All hail Sold

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No hailing.. (I'm not a cab driver.. lol)
Semi-intelligent conversation will do.

donutshopguy

Throw the bums out.

At this point, the only way to right the ship is to replace all administration.

It's the only way of eliminating all the cancer that has infected the Huron Schools System.

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Donut-
As I've stated before I am in agreement with your cancer analogy, but I don't see it happening.

Sad to say, but the 'cancer' has spread very deep into the system.

No easy answers. Recalling a board member takes 10% of their votes to be recinded. Firing an administrator is also not easy if you do not go by the rules of engagement.

At this point in time I would forcast that the present situation is going to stay in place for some time.