Huron man worries about coyotes in subdivision

After two coyote encounters in two days during the weekend one Huron Township resident has put out a call to rid his housing development of the toothy beasts.
Emil Whitis
Dec 9, 2011

 

After two coyote encounters in two days during the weekend one Huron Township resident has put out a call to rid his housing development of the toothy beasts.  

Don Sieg lives on the edge of a wildlife preserve where manicured grass meets rough brown weeds at 1019 Eagle Ridge Drive. To the east of his lawn is a large grass field with stands of trees on its northern and southern borders. A stream flows through the middle. It’s perfect habitat for coyotes.

While finishing up some lawn work toward sunset Friday, he thought he could see two pairs of eyes staring at him from the field. Sieg stared hard at the glinting orbs for a couple of seconds, not sure whether his eyes were playing tricks.

He dropped a tool to the ground and broke off the gaze to pick it back up.

When he looked back up, there were two coyotes watching him from about 25 feet away.

Not sure what to do, he made a dash for the garage. The wild dogs high-tailed it into the field.
When he got inside he called police, but they deferred questions to the Ohio Department of Natural Resources. There, a wildlife officer told him he could try to trap or shoot the animals on his property. 

“I want someone to do something about this,” he said, adding that he’d prefer not to have to don hunting gear to kill the animals himself.

Saturday found Sieg outside buttoning up his house for the winter. As he rounded the corner of his house he stumbled on a still coyote intently watching children play across the street, Sieg said.

The animal found its cover had been blown and it bolted into the heart of the housing development.

“It ran right by the kids,” he said. “They didn’t even see it.”

He said he’s not the only one who has seen the devils hanging around the edge of the development.

“One of my neighbors told me they saw a pack of five chasing down a deer in his lawn,” Sieg said. “I figure if coyotes are brave enough to try to take down a deer, what’s the difference between that and attacking kids?”

Just across a suburban strip of grass lives David Miller. Miller is an avid hunter and doesn’t see what the fuss is all about.

“They’ve been around since May,” Miller said. “I’m not too worried about them.”

Miller told Sieg he should only be worried if he sees a lone coyote staggering about and otherwise acting strange — an indication that it may have rabies.

Department of Natural Resources wildlife officer Paul Kurfis agreed with Miller.

He said it’s probably a good idea to keep an eye on the animals, but there’s no reason to be afraid for neighborhood children.

“That coyote may have been watching, but he surely wasn’t eyeballing those kids trying to pick out which would make the best meal,” Kurfis said.

But, if someone is dead set on eradicating the coyotes from his field, it is open season for hunting and trapping year round.

“I’m not sure it would do any good,” Kurfis concluded. “They’ve been hunted, trapped and poisoned for hundreds of years, and they’re still around.”

Undaunted, Siegs said he was going to take the issue to his homeowner’s association.

GOT COYOTES?
WHAT CAN YOU DO?
•If the coyote is on your land, you can legally shoot or trap it without permits or licenses. If you live within city limits remember to consult ordinances before shooting a gun. If the coyote is off your property, you need hunting and trapping licenses.
•Hire a professional trapper. Since the 19th century, however, there aren’t many around.
•Nothing. Wildlife officers say coyotes are like any other animal — they’re more afraid of you than you are of them.
 

Comments

big_d

Oh Noes! Wild animals! Kill them all! 

Captain Gutz

You think that's bad, I've got a mouse in my house!

happycamper01

Coyotes are not wolves.  They do not behave like wolves but this man is acting as if that is what he has seen.  Humans build in the country and take away the animals natural habitat or move next to a wildlife preserve and then complain about the wildlife they encounter.  This man lives next to a preserve what did he expect to see or encounter?  Coyotes will hunt deer.  Deer need natural predators like coyotes to help control the population.  Nature has a delicate balance and if we take away all the natural predators because we are afraid we will create all kinds of other problems.  Deers and other wildlife at one time had all kinds of predators in Ohio besides coyotes such as wolves and mountain lions but now coyotes and humans are all that are left.  Leave the coyotes alone.  Take precautions with pets and animals but try to understand that the environment needs predators to keep the natural balance. 

Kimo

 

They took care of the feral cat problem in my hood.

 

JIMBO2

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Factitious

No need to get rid of the coyotes, but if you do, your next "problem" will be feral cats.

devilsadvocate

 What did he expect?  He moved next to a preserve.....  Maybe he should move to the city where all he sees are squirrels and neighbors.

thinktwice

Coyote Soup

Coyote Hind quarter
cooking oil
2 cups red wine
3 onions, chopped
1 garlic clove
salt and pepper
spices
2 cabbage heads, chopped
8 potates, chopped

Cut meat into chunks and brown in oil. Add wine, onions, garlic, salt and pepper and your other favorite spices. Cook for 30 minutes. Add cabbage and potatoes. Cook until tender. Serve with hot biscuits or corn bread.

Makes a hearty meal out on the open range.

 

KnuckleDragger

Mr. Seig, you had your 15 min of fame now give it a rest.  From the research I have done, the last coyote attack that killed a human happened way back in 1980 in California.  Coyote attacks on humans are extremely rare and usually only occur when a coyote becomes comfortable with humans due to humans feeding them.  Coyotes consider humans a natural predator and will run away when yelled at.  Sounds to me like someone is a busybody and has nothing better to do with his time.  If you don't like wild animals then DON'T move next to a nature preserve.

Erie County Resident

Mr. Sieg it's time to go back in the house.

Put on a new depends, grab a bottle, a sucker and your blanky then go turn on Animal Planet for some education.

Some of the "city folk" really amaze me.

I moved out in the wilderness and OMG I saw an... an.... animal....ooooooooo.. I'm scared... LOL

Gardenman

I can understand this gentleman's concern for the safety of children in his neighborhood and his own safety. I think though a lot of that concern happens because we are not familiar with the animal. When you stop and think this housing development is encroaching into their habitat. Things like this are going to happen. No different than what  happens in FLA where alligators start appearing in canals and waterways that not many years ago were their natural habitat.

Before going off the deep end in this I think a meeting with residents and ODNR officers might be well advised. I am sure the officers could provide some helpful information. My housing area had a similar situation and we did just that. Precautions were taken for residents not to feed the animal and other suggestions. After a period of time it left and quite honestly it was more afraid of the young yelling/screaming/crying  kids and the loud rock music teenagers who inhabit my neighborhood.

 

 

margaritaville88

Dude, Really????  Did mommy and daddy spoon feed you and not let you outside?? OMG, what is your problem..NO BOY SCOUTS??  Grow a pair and do not bother law enforcement with dunb sh1t like this!!!  REALLY??  Move to Cleveland....LMAO

lifetimeresident

@Knuckle

I take it your not a deer hunter.  Imagine being chase by 3 or 4 (Pack) at 6 in the morning.  Your story would change.  To the story teller, if they come on your property and make you nervous, buy a gun.

 

patriot5
Always good to start the day with a laugh. You know what scares me, a paranoid urbanite with a new varmint rifle defending his family from vicious coyotes. Have been an outdoorsman my entire life and never approached by coyotes. (I know doesn’t mean it cant happen) Houses are built on every spit of land, what do you expect? Have seen many coyotes on our land. Only three times that I know of had they crept under the fence and into the actual yard within 50 yards of house. The Akita’s will give them a run, and coyotes can run. Have removed two from our field, via mini 14 and Remington 22-250.
Woody Hayes

I would think twice about going outside wearing a sheepskin jacket. Plenty of condos for rent in the city.

eriemom

 Lifetime: Let's get clear please. You were hunting dear, so presumably had a gun, and you ran from a "pack" of coyote.

Be_informed

What will he do when he finds an ant in the kitchen?  Just one day late for me to read this. Now I know what to do next time a bald eagle lands in the field next to my house I will know what to do....Thanks  

KnuckleDragger

@lifetimeresident, yes I am, as a matter of fact.  I can't say that in the 30yrs I have been doing it that I have ever had that happen,  I live in rural Huron Co and see them all the time, they seem to like bothering my chickens, however, as soon as I walk out the back door they all scatter.

cockynurse

 It is scary when you're not expecting to turn around and see a coyote.  When my daughter was an infant, I went to see my grandmother who lives pretty far off the road in the woods.  I parked in her turn-around which is right at the edge of the woods.  I got her out of my car, sat her carseat on the ground and leaned back into the car to grab her diaper bag and a few other things I bought my granny.  When I shut the door, turned around to pick up my daughter in her car carrier-I was starring right into the eyes of a coyote.  It was within 5 feet of us and definitely afraid of me-it took a few steps back as I picked my daughter up and rushed into the house.  With that said, this was the first time I had ever seen a coyote in person and there is no doubt in my mind that although the coyote was afraid of me-I think it was very interested in my baby.  

 

I believe the meeting was an accident that day.  That incident happened 12 years ago.  I allow my children to play in the woods and in the yard.  We have never seen a coyote again; however, they and our dog have been sprayed by skunks-haha.

 

Lets just hope these coyotes also met the eyes of this man by accident and they are not getting "curious" or interested in playing children.  I believe we can live in peace with wildlife as long as we mind our own business and so do these coyotes.  Now, if we could just get a handle on these skunks.....

 

 

SimpleEnough

I had to laugh at Metroman Sieg! I wonder if he is the same kind of guy who files a complaint about some one having a vehicle parked in their driveway to the HOA or wears white after labor day! Grow a pair man..grow a pair....

 

To whomever made the suggestion of having a "meeting", why not Metroman Sieg, just do a little research and educate himself while at it.  Wonder who he will complain to next when he has skunks digging up his manicured lawn, because he has grubs?!

Captain Gutz
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2cents
  LOL, Cyotes are like certain people in Sandusky, just run the other way until they get a big group together, then they jump you! I see there needs to be new rules in town for the varments walking the street:0 Maybe can call it the "Open season law" If your worried let me know, I just bought a brand new H&K AR, need to run some rounds through it, Merry Xmas to me. LOL get a grip man!!

Just saying!

Informed

Some of you are very naive.  Although the article states the man lives in the township, it is right across the city limits.  Eagle Crest is not a rural area, and wildlife preserve there is not what you think.  I live in a house that's almost 50 years old right in town, and we have had raccoons not only come into our yard, but come right up to our screen door looking into our home, and they did not run away when approached by us.  Although not common, coyotes can be very dangerous and scary.  I mention the raccoon only to point out that wild animals are not as afraid of humans as they once were, and are often over-populated in a given area.  I would say that two sightings in two days is a little concerning.

Informed

Here's an example. Although this happened several years ago, would you want to take this chance with your children?

SoCal Toddler's Coyote Attack 3rd in 5 Days - ABC News

cam

Knuckle and happy. Do some research out of Mich. In recent years there have been attacks on  small children. They normaly run from adults but will go after a small child. Did you research with DNR about the cross breeding that they will do with a dog??? Its called a coydog. Any true hunter in Ohio knows of this and I can tell you I did shoot one in the 90's. It was a pup. And yes DNR came and took it for research. Many of hunters started to have concern about the amount of coyotes that where showing up in the early 90's. Let us all thank NASA for this problem in our area. They released dozens to try and control the deer problem they where having in fear the controled hunt would be canceled because of animal rights nuts.

There is and should be a big concern about this problem. You can make light of it on here all you want. But the reality of it is that they can be a dangerous animal when they want and will do anything to survive and keep the blood line going. Including breeding with a dog. Do some research with DNR and you will see i am right.

KnuckleDragger

@cam, I did do some research.  The research I did was related to coyotes killing humans.  The last time that happened was in 1980.  As far as coyotes attacking humans, it is fact that it rarely happens, and when it does it is usually due to humans feeding them and making them more comfortable around us.  As far as doing research with the DNR, I already did, I got my information from my neighbor who is the regional director and has dealt with these issues for 24 yrs. 

krisag

Your property borders a state nature preserve? What did you expect?!

Red Baron

A normal person capable of reasoning would have instantly thought this..we are dealing with a diseased culture where people no longer can reason the world in which they live.

Truth or Dare

Tis the Season, Dec.-March, for Coyote sightings.    Believe it or not Mr. Sieg, Coyotes are valuable members of the wildlife community.  They help keep populations of small mammals, rodents,  rabbits under control.  They just love skunks and raccoons.  They also eat grass, berries and such.  They play an important role of a healthy-functioning ecosystem.  As we continue to erase their natural habitat through land development, taking away their food source, they're forced  to assimilate.  Something they've been doing for centuries!  Try the following, spread the word to your neighbors;

l. Keep an eye on small children. 

2.  Keep cats and small dogs inside.  (Lived on E. Perkins for 8 yrs.. After  Angels Pass went in, our coyote visitations started.  They never once bothered our med. sized dog, ever.)

3. Fence out-door pets and animal enclosures completely.  .

4.  Feed pets inside

5.  Store trash in covered, heavy duty containers

6.  Don't use open-pits for composting.

7.  Never run from a coyote.  Stand your ground, make yourself larger than life, wave your arms and get very noisy.  They'll go. 

 

Just Thinkin

You need to watch the film that was on tv last spring, I have it copied, It was called ( Killed by Coyotes, )  About how the Eastern yotes the ones here, are interbred with the Gray Wolf, And they picked up the Wolf's hunting tatics as far as taking down bigger game and hunting in packs, The story was about a girl killed and partially eaten by these Eastern Coyotes. This is true ,and they had a Coyote expert from OSU tell what went wrong, and the DNA showed the mixed  Hybred wolf Coyote for fact, and it is proven they will hunt larger prey, the smaller the better but still a 22 year old woman is not a mouse or bunny !!! so Scare them when you see them and DO NOT FEED them, they are not pets no matter how cute they are and funny the cartoons make them out to be ,Just play it safe They do alot of good but they need to be kept in check, PS small dogs and cats are thier most taken meal around the BURBS  Remember make them afraid of you. Scare the Crap out of them every chance you get.

Just Thinkin

Also Don't run stand your ground and make yourself look as big as you can slowly back away facing the animals, I have had 2 Coyote's stare my grandkids down. And  were watching ?, They would not leave only walked away when I walked toward them ,Only after a shot in the air from my gun did they run. Next time they will be skinned and sold for fur, Shoulda shot them then Oh  well PS have not seen them since been a month .

Factitious

The International Wolf Center has a document meant primarily to discern a wolf from a coyote, but it's also helpful if you want to know if you saw a coyote or a dog.

 

 

Factitious

I think it's odd that we tolerate people keeping wolves and wolf hybrids as pets, and then worry about coyotes.

 

Kimo

 

They taste like chicken.

 

gilamonster
I feel sorry for the cul de sac dwellers, you should be glad you don’t live in areas where you have to worry about venomous snakes or bears. Your kid has greater chance of being struck by a lightening bolt than being bit by a coyote.   Coyotes are opportunistic; so don’t give them an opportunity. We shoot them at my dads because they destroy local livestock out there. Otherwise pay them no mind as they decrease the dropped-off cat population.   Friend in Pa has an Airedale terrier, this ugly dog hates coyotes, will chase and run down several at a time, rather amusing.  Only times I ever witnessed coyotes act as an aggressor is cornered with fear or with pups. Mom will defend those pups malignantly.
Claude Balls

that coyote's really a crazy clown......

I Judge you

Taxpayer said officer Dunn got what he deserved!

cam

I judge you. I am by know means a fan of taxpayer. But when did he ever say that?????? I have never seen him print anything like that on here. He may be cold but I sure don't think he is that cold.

thinktwice

Give it time and before ya know it there will be a few Sieg-Yotes runnin' around.

wiredmama222

Suggestions:  Be sure the lids to your garbage cans are on TIGHTLY  Do not just put your trash bags out next to the cans on trash days the night before.  Don't let the kids have food outside, including pop in cans or sandwiches and crackers or chips.  Do NOT put out food of any kind to "lure" them in so you can kill them,.  Just let them alone and sooner or later they will get tired of being curious and move on. 

BytheBy

cam

The coyote did NOT attack the boy, he knocked him down as he walked a path at night. The coyote came running out of the woods. He did not bite him, attack him or maul him. Sounds like the coyote was just running and minding his own business and ran into the kid.

The person who talked about overpopulation of raccoons just because one came on your porch. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

I have lived in the country my whole life and have never even given coyotes a second thought. I have to worry more about irresponsible hunters than I do the wildlife.

Red Baron

Welcome to your Nanny State. A place where people live in fear every day and beg to be managed and controlled.
How embarrassing...I truely believe many people are incapable of reasoning the world in which they live.
 

Red Baron

I bet this guy would freak out the same way if a black family moved into his subdivision.

This is truely an embarrassment to humanity here.

SimpleEnough

Red Baron, Nah, the HOA probably has rules to ensure no HillBillies, Negroes or combination of, are allowed to move in, hmm something to think about! 

JUST1GUY

Billie the Exterminator would use a trap and some raw chicked to rid the animals.....just sayin.

Kimo

 

How many people were attacked by pit bulls in the last ten years?

How many people were killed by pit bulls in the last ten years?

IMO pitt bulls pose a far greater threat.

 

Unabasho

A beautiful day
for a walk in a MetroPark
To see a Coyote

or an Eagle

or other things magnificant

or mundane

saved from man's destruction

Fear God

not what God created

 

 

goofus
duckie1

I agree with many of you that state Mr. Sieg should be prepared to see wildlife when living next to a nature preserve.  Might I suggest that Mr. Sieg contact Back to Wild, and Mona Rutger to see if she has some ideas of how he can safely deal with his concerns.  Mona is a wonderful resource that we are lucky to have locally, she can offers suggestions for Mr. Sieg on how to handle this. 

KURTje

Mr. Sieg relax - or else move.          I won't lie though - I've been stalked by before by Cougars           . If you stab them repeatedly you'll be okay.

saved_by_grace_...

1. I agree with many of you that state Mr. Sieg should be prepared to see wildlife when living next to a nature preserve.
 

2. Fear God not what God created

1. I agree 100% with the above statements. So when you live next to me with my 25 assault weapons and 40,000 rounds of ammunition remember you are living in America. Just like seeing coyotes next to a nature preserve, you see me and all my assault weapons next to you in USA.

2. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Coyotes are a predator and so am I. I am on top of the food chain and coyotes are dead if I can get a clear kill shot. I will use everything I can from a dead animal that I KILL.

Thank you Jesus for the animals you provide for me to kill and eat.

 

 

I Judge you

saved_by_grace_...  just because you got touched  "Down There" as a child by both Mommy and Daddy dosent mean the whole world is like that! But whatever makes you finaly feel feel like a mann works for me baby girl! Oh Ive been your house before and you dont have anywhwere near 25 weapons so stop telling lies sister blister.

I Judge you

Thats what I thought, you will keep your trap shut and you will do as your told and go to bed!

Pete

All they have to do is get a Road Runner as a pet. Everyone knows a Road Runner can take care of even the smartest coyote!

Factitious

"God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, already.

Dominion does not mean extermination.

When was the last time God told us to keep on multipying? When did he ever command us to multiply exponentially and endlessly? Have we stopped listening? We are no longer fruitful; we are a plague.

 

 

Retiree

Give the property to ErieMetro Parks and let them make a walkway

Informed

BytheBy, speaking of dumb, you need to practice your reading comprehension.  I never stated that raccoons were overpopulated because one came on my porch.  If you actually understood what you read, you would see that I stated the raccoon wouldn't run away when approached by us, and that the lack of fear is often a result of overpopulation.  Nothing dumb about that! 

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BW1

"I want someone to do something about this," he said, adding that he’d prefer not to have to don hunting gear to kill the animals himself.

He's got a problem with coyotes, and it HAS to be resolved, but he'd prefer not to take any responsibility for solving his own problems. He wants Big Brother to wipe his nose for him.

Look, Sieg, if you don't want to deal with wild animals, move to a loft in Cleveland's warehouse district - they're quite comfortable. If you want to live out here, grow a pair and deal with your own problems - take some initiative and some responsibility for your own well being. Get a couple big dogs, or get a .22, or pry open your wallet and pay someone out of YOUR pocket to solve YOUR problem, and stop asking the rest of us to pay for the servicing of your personal preferences.

Coyotes do need to be controlled - interbreeding with domestic dogs has made them bigger and altered their behavior and social structure, so they now run in packs. However, people who choose to live in rural and semi-rural areas need to be self reliant - if you want a cradle-to-grave nannystate to nursemaid you, then go back to the big city rather than trying to transform the countryside.
 

nosey rosey

Let me guess - the dingo ate his baby.....

Seriously, we only have ourselves to blame when we move into the wildlife's subdivision.

CANADA49er

 I used to live in that area but now I live in Nevada.  I do not think coyotes attack people unless you corner them and they cannot get out.  I used to have packs of coyotes early i the morning howling away lookin for a calf...I had a collie dog that would chase the coyotes at this ranch in Nevada.....our problem is freakin cougars...cats that come down off the mountain and they have been attacking quarterhorses.  Varmints can become a pain...maybe they are looking for water if you have a freeze, I do not know, but coyotes normally do not attack people...least you do not have cougars.  If there are cows around or calves that is may be what them coyotes are looking for.  :)

outofmoney

 Please stop telling this guy to man up and take care of the problem himself!  Anyone who thinks he has to go out and get hunting gear to get rid of a coyote should obviously not be allowed to use firearms!  Besides, he said he buttoned up his house for the winter, so that must mean he's off to warmer temps.  

Coyotes are not harmless, nor are they more afraid of you.  They're scavengers and most of the time, they're hungry.  One afternoon in TX, my daughter and granddaughter went jogging at the sports complex.  They left the truck and when they got to the track, they noticed a coyote staring at them.  Slowly they backtracked to the truck, until the coyote starting charging at them.  They barely made it back.  When she called to police, guess what they told her?  "Coyotes are more afraid of people then you are of them." Ha!  The next day, several dogs in that area were found torn to shreds.  My granddaughter's teacher lost her beloved dog because a coyote, apparently fearful of people, wandered into a subdivision and feasted on family pets. 

Something needs to be done about them,  I agree.  And most of the time I'd say, do it yourself, but in this guy's case, no way.  Don't give this man a firearm!!!