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Chung Lee says

Find Chung Lee on Facebook.  Chung Lee need more American friends.

Jonathan Beck says

Chung Lee  We must find a way to communicate where there will be no interuption.  Pemberville Ohio has a drug store.  Messages can be left there and answers given.

brutus smith says

oops, it is a Repub OPINION, I forgot, they are as good as gold. How naive. 

brutus smith says

 I thought bryan sounded familiar. I used to read Erie voices back in '04 or '05. 

Chung Lee says

Isn''t making a movement look like it is grassroots when it is actually a corporate event voter fraud?

SamAdams says

Brutus, you asked me if I knew what fraud was. I assumed you thought I didn't know. As it turns out, you apparently were asking if I knew because you didn't! Gosh, I'm sure sorry to have misunderstood you. Let me explain:

Fraud is when something is deliberately made to appear as something else. The Dems in Michigan were trying to make candidates appear as if they were Tea Party candidates which they all too clearly are not. The article -- you know, the one you posted the link to and accused ME of not reading? -- explains all that. Let me know if you need me to cut and paste it for you!

Jonathan Beck says

As Mae West once said (Bryan) " Is that a gun in your pockett or are you just happy to se me?"

Chung Lee says

Sounds like Mr. Dubois has a friend that seems to have a little story to tell.  This ought to be interesting.

brutus smith says

 you talk in circles. So it's a fraud if a Dem wants to start a chapter of the Tea Party? Really? I thought tea partys were independent? Grass roots? Why would it be fraud? Is there certain criteria to be a tea partier? What you think and what's real are 2 different things.

Chung Lee says

Just curious.... is the official Tea Party engaged in election fraud?  They say they are grassroots and they are nothing but a front for Freedom Works.  Isn't it a bit strange that the Tea Party is all about freedoms but yet they want to treat gays as second class citizens........ no mistake they have a corporate agenda.

Jonathan Beck says

SamAdams says

Brutus, yes, I read the article you linked. Too bad you didn't read my response.

Once again, I SAID: They were off the ballot because the petitions were ruled invalid.

Are you with me so far? Good.

And THEN I said, how does that negate (that means make unimportant) the fact the Democrats involved in the attempt to GET "The Tea Party" on the ballot were attempting election fraud?

What I did NOT say was tht anybody was being prosecuted for it. Too bad. I think they SHOULD be.

brutus smith says

 sam a, what a surprise. You didn't read it. I'm in shock. I'll cut and paste it for you so you don't stress yourself out.

"The word "the" in "The Tea Party" title was not in 24-point bold-face type on its petitions as required by law."

Do you know what fraud is? Who is being prosecuted for fraud?

EZOB says

There are four seasons--just maybe one time a season.  Jennifer Brunner has been consistantly corrupt.  At least one knows what to expect from her, and it's not an honest election or accurate tally of signatures.

SamAdams says

Brutus, the reason they weren't on the ballot is because the petitions were invalid. How, pray tell, does that negate the fact they were attempting to engage in election fraud? I'll wait...

SamAdams says

Chung Lee, as you once pointed out on these pages, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. :-) The one thing you can put in the bank is that, when I agree with you, I'll say so. Looks like you feel the same.

Crap. That's twice. Well, there's always October, LOL!

Chung Lee says

It is the first week of September and Sam has already agreed with Chung Lee.  Maybe some day you will agree with everything Chung Lee say.

brutus smith says

 sam a, I expected nothing less from you than taking the word of a right wingnut blogger. After all, isn't that where all your info comes from?  Read the real reason they were not on the ballot, and it had nothing to do with fraud.

http://toledoblade.com/article/20100904/NEWS09/9040318

But since it is not a right wingnut blogger, I highly doubt you will read it. And I thought the Tea Party was a "grass roots" movement, and the locals set thier own agenda. Yeah right.

SamAdams says

Chung Lee, you make a good point about Republican polls. I didn't say anything about any of them because nobody was talking about them prior to your mention, but okay: Fair's fair, and here's what I say about them:

MOST politicial polls (and ALL of the smaller ones) aren't legitimate. For statistics to have legitimacy, you must question a minimum number of persons (if I recall, it's something like 2,250), and those who are questioned must be selected in a truly random fashion. The vast majority of polls conducted by the news media, for example, will tell you they called, like, 1,347 registered voters in New York who said thus and such. The pool is too few, too localized, and it's far too selective to have any certainty attached to it. (I've even seen poll results released from such small numbers as 3- and 400, and their margins of error are invariably downplayed.)

As for the big national polls -- Rasmussen, Zogby, Gallup, etc. -- the results are better, but I wonder how many of the people questioned for those are truly random, either.

Mark Twain once said, "There are lies, there are dam* lies, and then there are statistics." Yep, pretty much. And if the person doing the asking has any bias whatsoever, you can throw even otherwise pretty good results out the window since the questions themselves will have influence. You know, sorta like the questionnaire published here.

Legitimate statistical results are possible. They're just a lot of work. And in most cases, neither Democrats nor Republicans bother.

SamAdams says

Brutus, I think you just told us everything we need to know about you in a nutshell (and the "nut" part is really appropriate in this case). Democrats are PROVED to be actively working on election fraud, and REPUBLICANS are busy "suppressing the vote." You, Brutus, AND those Dems in Michigan, would be a joke if it weren't for the fact you aren't funny.

brutus smith says

 I didn't know the name "Tea Party" was trademarked. Dems can't have their own brand of tea? Typical right wingnut, trying to suppress the vote.

goofus says

Chung Lee says

Interesting that Sam is not aware that Mr. Army, Freedom Works and the Koch Brothers are the major forces behind the Tea Movement.  Chung Lee is also entertained that Sam wants to challenge the methodology of the survey that Brutus referenced..... just curious how often do you challenge polls supportive of Republican positions?  You do realize that about 4 credible organizations have put the Beckfrest crowd at less than 100,000 and each has put forth the methods used.  Just curious..... what method did Beck use to come up with his 500,000 estimate?  Let Chung guess.... the University of of of ... oh some university poll.  Chung Lee says thank you for the good laugh.

brutus smith says

 Man Coulter, decent? Those 2 things could never go in the same sentence. She/he is one hateful person.

Salvatore says

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Don Lee posts all these cartoons!!!!!

OY!!!!!!!!!

You delete my photo from http://www.freerepublic.com ???????

It's on the WWW!!!!!!!

Go fill your DEPENDS!!!!!!!!!!!!

SamAdams says

Kurt, the Tea Party isn't really a cohesive national group with a single platform, so the stance on Log Cabin Republicans varies. Ann Coulter will be giving a speech to a gay group shortly; Joseph Farah (editor/publisher of an online news"paper" and one of the organizers of an upcoming national Tea Party conference) publicly dis-invited Coulter from speaking there because she was speaking to a homosexual group.

If the Tea Party is really working toward what it's SUPPOSED to be working toward -- smaller government, lower taxes -- then homosexuality doesn't matter. Trouble is, some local Tea Party groups are adding their own agenda to the platform and running with it. Unfortunately, a couple of the folks who are trying to MAKE the Tea Party a cohesive national group are like Coulter and Farah. One's fairly inclusive, and the other's unfairly not.

That doesn't answer your question, I know, but it does tell you something important: There are decent Tea Partiers just as much as there are decent members of other groups. And then there are an unfortunate few...

Salvatore says

EZOB says

   It was really difficult for me to understand how a group of human beings could put another group into slavery and honestly feel they were far superior beings.  If nothing else, I have come to understand why the KKK and groups that actively oppose the government are mostly Democrats.  Yes, the Teabaggers openly display thier frustations against the present government but ask yourself, who has done the most physical harm, it's usually a Democrat.  Take a poll of the prisons and courts, I'll bet over 75% are Democrtats if they are registered.  O'Bama wants to let all prison inmates vote in the November election.  Also, absentee ballots are being sent to Mexico because they will soon be American residents recieving American benefits.

Chung Lee says

kURT says

So what is the Teabagger's stance on Log Cabin Republicans?

brutus smith says

 ezob, what right wingnut Conservative Repub voted for a Democrat? They didn't poll me or anyone I know. Did they poll you? We were polled in November of 2008. Remember? It's obvious you didn't vote for Obama, so that makes you not "WE".

Repubs have nothing, nothing but disdain for our country.

6079 Smith W says

So you love God, you love guns and you love gays?

EZOB says

    Did you really read what you just posted???  You have pressured the elected officials to do what you expect??   Have you read the polls lately???   When you start typing you get a real bad case of diarhea of the fingers.

brutus smith says

 The difference is we (Dems) pressure our people we elected to do the things we want. Reups just fall in line, never questioning anything their elected officials do. Why do you think Robert Gibbs said what he said about the professional left. We DON"T stand still.

EZOB says

    French-Indo China was a French possession.  At the start of WW11 the French couldn't protect their own soil, much less, Southeast Asia.  The United States interest was the mass Rubber plantations, tires were rationed during WW11.  When Japan surrendered the US put 175,000 Japanese troops in Cam Rahn Bay.  These troops were from the Islands and Japan was now on our (side??).  These troops raped the women and pilfered the local villages.  Remember, these people had supported us all during the war against the Japanese and now we turned their security over to their enemies.  After WW11 we let France take back their possession, another mistake.

     Like Haliburton in Iraq, Brown and Root was a huge company that serviced the troops in Vietnam.  Dredging channels, building roads, providing electricity (Vinnell Co).  They have since Kellogg's Brown and Root, KBR on the NYS Exchange.  Oh, by the way, Brown and Root was started in Texas by Lady Bird Johnson's Dad.  I think back then,  they must have been Republicans because we all know the Democrats are the good guys.  Some of you just don't get it, corrupt is corrupt.  These people in power are lacking morals and scrupels, they'd stab anyone in the back for an almighty dollar.

44846GWP says

Winnie, I don't hate any of the three "G's", I'm not a redneck, republican, or a member of the "Good old boy" Tea Party. They (you maybe) are bible thumping, gay bashing, NRA  memebr red necks.

brutus smith says

OK sal, Truman, Ike, JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford. Did I leave anybody out? And what the h@!! does it have to do with today? And tell me sal where are our military advisors stationed in the middle of a civil war right now.

F. ear  O. ligarchy  X. enophobes.

eriemom says

 Has anyone actually gone to the Erie County tea party website? Did you know that they have spreadsheets with "unreliable" republicans listed? This must be registered republicans that do not vote straight ticket, but think for themselves. It includes registration addresses too.

They subscribe to more legal green cards for hire, not  stopping boarder crossing or employer hiring. The whole thing looks like a new and twisted republican party looking for angry American voters.

So much for eating at Chet and Matts; I won't go back to a place that backs this kind of belief system.

Salvatore says

I can't do much about Obama and Democraps spreading lies but I will correct the lies that brutus spreads on here when I have the time. Actually brutus, Truman got the US involved in Vietnam on July 26, 1950 when he authorized about $15 million in military aid to the French. Of course military advisors were needed along with that aid. Ike was inaugerated to office on January 20, 1953. Any other help that you need, brutus?

brutus smith says

 sal, you want to argue over the dumbest things. 300 Green Berets were just advisors? Ike got us involved and Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon escalated it. Story over.

F. ear  O.ligarchy  X. enophobes.

brutus smith says

 sal, how many of those "military advisors stationed all around the world" are in the middle of a civil war?

F.ear  O. ligarchy   X. enophobes.

Truth or Dare says

"What changes when the wall between Church and State disappears?"  For 60 yrs., since 1947  "Americans United" have defended the separation of Church and State and with good reason!   They're people/citizens of like mind,  of different religious backgrounds (or not), who believe in the importance of what Thomas Jefferson spoke of in regards to the "wall of separation", the one regarding Church and State, and the understanding that "when religion has been combined with the raw power of government, it has spawned tyranny and oppression".   Just look at countries such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan., China, etc....   This is America!  We can either allow our fundamental rights under the Constitiution to be buried by the manipulations of a group of religious extremists right here, who themselves scream out against the same things going on in the countries I mentioned, or not.  I choose not!  I choose democracy over theocracy!

If ya care, really care about your personal/religious freedoms,  contact  "Americans United for Separation of Church and State" at  americansunited@au.org

You may also contact them regarding threats/questions within your local governmental area,  schools, etc., concerning any possible issues/questions regarding the separation of church and state at:  202-466-3234.

Salvatore says

There is a big difference between US military advisers and a war. US military advisers are stationed all across the world. The conflict in Vietnam started to escalate during the Kennedy administration and Johnson got the US into a full blown war. Know your history. http://www.olive-drab.com/od_history_vietnam_advisors.php  The Kennedy administration, through the CIA and Ambassador Henry Cabot Lodge, encouraged a coup in early November 1963 in which Diem and Nhu were assassinated. General Duong Van Minh took over the government and the U.S. was obligated to support him and the series of weak governments that followed. Escalation of the war beginning in December 1963 resulted in some immediate success for the Communists in the South.

kURT says

The 1rst name on the Vietnam Memorial Wall is Major Burris, 1958.

Our President in 1958 was Eisenhour. The 2nd name is an enlisted warrior, also circa 1958.

Know your history.

Chung Lee says

6079 Smith W says

So what is it that you hate about God, guns and gays?

44846GWP says

Question number 1. Do the three "G's" get you riled up? (God, Guns, and Gays) If you replied yes, then you are a Tea Party redneck. Welcome to the party!

brutus smith says

 Well I gotta tell you sam a, you did exactly what I thought you would do, attack the messenger not search for the facts. Why should we let facts get in the way. The content of what the guy was saying wasn't biased at all. He spoke of what Clinton did too, and praised Teddy Roosevelt, who was a Repub. Today he would be considered a Communist by you and the rest of the right wingers. Instead of pushing the facts away try doing a little research to support your positions. Oh wait a minute, if you did research it wouldn't support your position. I gotcha now, you betcha. You concentrate to much on the messenger, spelling, than searching for facts. 

F. ear  O. ligarchy  X. enaphobes.