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Tru Grit says

Matt Easterhold says,

terrible idea, i would never combine sandusky and perkins, not to mention send my kid there, period end. Not saying sandusky is bad, i just wouldn't want my son or daughter in that atmosphere.

outsider says

 samantha,

I guess my standard is a little higher.  Education is spelled EDUCATION. 

It takes more than a 100 million dollar campus. The first priority is parental involvement. Talk to any teacher. Give me a kid in any school district who parents read to them, make them do their homework and respect their teachers. All the other stuff is just that "stuff".

Cross says

9299,

   Don't compare 'Perkins' levies with 'Erie County' ones. I'd guess there are a lot more people in Sandusky who both do not pay property taxes, and also vote far more for local entitlements than the Perkins.

    Ehove is an Erie Township levy. They also are wise enough to ask for a small logical fund with sound reasoning, instead of 50 or 100 million and millage changes to build the next Taj Mahal.

  Perkins needs to follow Ehove's example and aim for a small and good levy with simple short term goals.

  Easterhold: Raise the schools ratings in Sandusky to above 'continuous improvement' and get rid of the bad elements there, then talk to us. There's a reason many of us live in Perkins, and that reason is Sandusky schools.

samantha says

I guess my standard for eduaction is a bit higher than yours if yours is simply survival.

outsider says

 Samantha,

Its unreasonable for the taxpaying public to have control over their money?

Schools won't crash and burn. They will adapt to the money provided by the taxpayers. The same with the county, state and federal governments. 

It's not going to be pretty. But, we will survive.  

Matt Easterhold says

Sandusky, Perkins, and Castalia.  It is time to unite. 

Fact, all your money problems will disappear.

Fact, the state will practically hand you the cash to build schools.

Are you tired of local school systems begging for your money?  Perkins is not a rich of a community as some are led to believe.  We all know that Castalia is in big financial trouble, why don't Perkins and Castalia take advantage of the superior facilities and curriculum of SCS.  Add on to SHS, and put all your new fancy buildings, sport facilities and fountains(haha) on the property purchased by SCS right next to SHS.  Leave localized elementary and junior highs in the townships and send all the kids to a big super campus in Sandusky for high school.

Call them the Blue Polar Pirates, the football team would be instant Div.1 title contenders.

outsider says

 Samantha,

You want the schools to follow the financial model of the county. The county is 130 million dollars in debt. The schools were trying to follow this financial model and build a 100 million dollar debt. Thank god the voting public saw through the smoke and mirrors.

You aspire to have the taxpayers in this county in debt for the rest of their lives and their children's lives?

And on a side note, the bureacrats who created this massive debt for the county are still employed by the county. What's up with that?

samantha says

outsider says

 Samantha,

You want the schools to be on the same playing field as the county. Me. too. I want the county to change their funding to what's in place for the schools. I do not want the county to raise taxes without a vote. I would like taxpayers to have more authority with their money.  Local politicians have had the reins long enough. It's your money, it's your government it's time to take back control.

MP says

well said 9299.  Perkins community doesnt know how good they have.  Keep in mind that the only area district who pays less taxes than Perkins is Berlin/Milan. I applaud the schools for getting the excellent results that they achieve.

9299 says

I must say I am confused.  A lot of comments on these Perkins levy stories relate to the economic conditions as the reason for the recent failures.  However, I am told that at the recent meeting it was revealed that only once since 1987 has the Perkins community voted for a new tax-only renewals have been voted on positively.  The last levy passed a few months after the state championship for the football team.  Given the levy failures of the past 15-20 years, the economic argument cannot be the only issue, nor can the "trust" or communication issues be valid unless one believes that for all but one magical moment in 2000, those issues have been around since the late 1980s.  Yet EHOVE and other special interest levies continue to pass-pass even in the poor economice times of the past two years.  We trust these other organizations?  We believe they communicate better?  EHOVE doesn't pay their teachers or offer benefits like other school districts?  EHOVE is better because it teaches trades and all high schools do is send students off to college?

Given the history of the reluctance of the community to support new taxes, how can we fault fhe district for ramping up revenue thru open enrollment?  Probably should park a bunch more trailers and add more students before next school year. I was also informed that it was noted at the meeting that the money that comes with each open enrollment student is equivalent to if a homeownder in Perkins was paying property taxes on a $750,000 house.

Salvatore says

The residents of Perkins may want to do a historic property value search of some people involved with the school board and their relatives. You might also want to do a search on historic property values of past school board members and their relatives. http://erie.iviewauditor.com/   While some people in Perkins may be paying too much in property taxes, some people had their property values reduced which meant lower property taxes. Why not go after those who have undervalued property values pay their fair share of taxes? If you have the proper connections, you can get your taxes lowered. Also check out the historic property values of the known supporters of any school levy. I bet that if some of the levy  supporters would pay taxes on the true values of their properties, they would not support the levy.

samantha says

outsider says

I'm involved,

If I understood correctly with the last levy millage was to be moved that would allow school funding to increase without taxpayer involvement. So, as the county increased taxes without taxpayer vote the school would reap the same benefit.

I think the taxpayers are fed up with government and their ever increasing taxation. They didn't want the schools under the same increase without a vote philosophy.

I personally don't care how much teacher are paid. If I had my way, property owners could decide where they want their property tax allocated. It's their money. Shouldn't they be able to decide? For example, you pay $4,000 per year in property tax. You tell the county you would like $3000 allocated to the schools , $500 to the sheriff's department, $250 to the water department  and $250 to social services.

I'm involved says

 Outsider

It's not bad, its just not a windfall for the schools.  In my experience, most people want the taxes of new development (new homes, new business) in a community to pay for the increased expenses of the schools and local government.  However, house bill 920 prevents new development from increasing tax revenues to the school district.  Because of that, schools must continually ask voters for more money.

Now I understand the idea of operating a more efficient 'business' to cut expenses and remain within a budget.....however, you cannot operate so efficiently as to eliminate cost increases and never request more money from taxpayers.  By getting to the 20 mill floor, a school district can receive increased revenues, the bulk of which is paid for from new development, rather than repeatedly asking individual voters for more.

The biggest complaint I see on here is the belief that teachers are overpaid......I believe that the bigger issue with taxpayers is that teachers get automatic pay increases (steps and negotiated raises) regardless of what is happening with the people who pay their wages (taxpayers).....and if administration attempts to address that situation, a strike is threatened (and sometimes carried out).  If a community wants to rectify that perceived unfairness, then that community must be prepared to tolerate labor strife for a long time.  

outsider says

I'm involved,

So the TIF money is used to reduce taxes? The money goes back to taxpayers and not to the schools. That's bad? Bad for who, the schools?

MichelleB says

 How great that Ehove served your son in such a great way, jkbroke.  That is what Ehove is there for.  Ehove is meant to suit the educational style and needs of students who do not fit as well into the "average" high school life.  Not saying that the "average" high school experience is better or worse or whatever.  It is simply different, and all children learn differently.  Ehove is a vocational school (pretty much the only vocational school in the area, besides Sandusky's) and is supposed to prepare students for the workforce.  You and the public school made the correct choice to send your child to Ehove, as Ehove does do a great job.  Unlike your child, however, there were about 750 other students at the high school that were learning and preparing for their own successful lives.   Not one is better than the other.  They just each serve a different purpose.

You say that your child was labeled a troublemaker in school.  Did he cause trouble at any point?  And in terms of teachers not figuring out that your son had a learning disorder until later on, have you asked yourself how much time each teacher spent with your son per day?  How much time did you spend per day working with your child on homework?  Could you have taken your child to a specialist?  Thanks to the demands of the state, most teachers don't have the ability to make that call on a child because of lawsuits or because of overcrowded classrooms.  It seems to me like your child is living a successful and happy life; so where's the problem.  His needs were met, perhaps not exactly when you wanted them to be, but he did not slip through the cracks and he seems to be doing quite well.  

jkbroke says

Many years ago my son had problems in school and all they wanted to do was label him a trouble maker.  I expressed concerns but they were brushed aside because he was a trouble maker.  He hated school and would do anything to try and get out of going.  This label was passed along rather than find out the real problem.  Found out he had reading issues and it wasn't figured out by these highly skilled teachers who were labeling him a trouble maker.  He was smart enough he could fake his reading ability.  It sure wasn't the school system which failed him that paid for tutors for him to help him get caught up.  It is funny that when he went to EHOVE he was no longer labeled a trouble maker and thrived in that environment.  He enjoyed school and wanted to go.  He has grown into a wonderful young man and father.  He works hard at his job and he is to work every day.  Even when he is sick he goes to work.  He has a wonderful work ethic.  Where he is today he got there INSPITE of the teachers he had at Perkins.  I'll vote for EHOVE but not Perkins.

As far as the comment maybe I should sell my house and rent DUH you pay rent and the landlord has to pay property tax and would you like to guess how he pays the property tax?  That would be through what is paid in rent.  Property tax goes up so does the cost to rent to cover this extra expense for the landlord.

I know people with degrees and guess what, they have problems finding jobs in their field and the pay is not there that they were told they could expect to earn.

Teachers say about the cuts they have taken but they do not talk about cost of living increases and other hidden increases they receive so some of their cuts are offset so their cuts are minimal.

I'm involved says

There will be NO windfall of funds when the TIF for Kalahari expires unless Perkins schools get to the 20 mill floor.  If the voted millage stays where it is, the increased tax revenue does not go to the schools....it simply adds to the current tax revenue pool, thereby incrementally decreasing each person/business's tax payment into that pool.  I realize this is a complicated issue, but it was all explained in the previous levy campaign

My thoughts says

Where are you going to put the bleachers and track--we don't know where the stadium will ultimately be located.

MP says

We agree.  Excellent teachers are #1.  We have some great ones at Perkins.  The laptops are another tool to reach this generation.

Regarding the turbines... yes it was a PR nightmare, but no cost to the taxpayers.  The treasurer stopped payment after the first failure and they never paid another penny.  SR never covered that part

underthebridge says

MP - You may be surprised to hear me say this, but I think that excellent teachers are far more important to education than laptops or facilities and by and large my kids' teachers are excellent.  My beefs are with student discipline and the lack of communication from the district directly to the parents and the community. 

Just Saying says

So JKBroke, you think teachers don't deserve to earn a good wage?  They went to college, have to pay back college loans.  They never took an oath to teach for free.

My son is a college freshman studying to be a teacher, and I certainly hope he can expect to make $50,000 + per year to support his family someday. I don't feel that is an outrageous expectation, in fact I think it's pretty low for four years of college.  If the public continues to begrudge tachers earning a decent salary, you can bet kids are going to enter other fields and then who will be educating the children of our future?  Maybe kids will choose to become lawyers, because we all know their salaries aren't inflated.  Or better yet, work at an automotive factory making $40.00 bucks an hour.

MP says

Being excellent is an important factor but not the only factor.  The laptops enrich the education of the Perkins student.  These students are leap years ahead because of the MacBooks- I see it in my middle schooler every day.

I go to BOE meetings.  It's tough to remeber but I believe the BOE had a rebate opportunity from Apple to exchange the teachers computers.  For some reason the used laptops were in high demand.  The trade in was worth the upgrade and they took it.

Yes they have $6M carryover.  But that is for operations.  As we learned last night, the chances of passing any operating money is very slim in Perkins (one since 1987 and that was when they won state in football- well done Max!).  They are wise to protect that carryover.  And by the way, for all of you OE haters, most of that $6M is from OE.  Well done BOE.

Not sure about Delphi.  I do not think there is any tax incentive there.  But you are correct about Kalahari.  That comes on the books in 2020 I think.  Certainly that fits into long term plans.

underthebridge says

Outsider - there are other expenditures that did not produce the desired cost savings to the district like the windmills for instance.  I've also got some mixed feelings about the capital improvment funds being used for lap tops.  Other districts in the area have EXCELLENT (Huron) or even EXCELLENT w/ DISTINCTION (Norwalk) and they don't have the expenditure of funds for lap tops.  Also, a little known fact is that most of the districts teachers are now on their 2nd round of MacBooks.  The first ones were purchased right after Gunner came to the district.  Then at the beginning of this year, the majority of teachers got new MacBooks.  Corporations don't change their computer equipment every two years and we did?  I think that is an unwise use of funds.   

I attended the meeting and I seem to recall that someone mentioned that the district has a $6 million surplus.  (So much stuff was said last night it is hard for me to keep it straight.) If that is true why doesn't the district use that money to purchase bonds for construction in the future -- say when the incentives for the old Delphi and Kalahari expire in ten years as was promised during the levy campaign and our district gets a windfall of funds. 

outsider says

 Where is the community group to raise public funds to replace the bleachers and the track.  I will participate in raising funds, volunteer to build the bleachers and donate money. Lets get this going.

outsider says

 Bridge,

Somewhere about 80% of the school's budget is tied up in salaries and benefits. The other costs are important but changes to them will have little bearing.

eriemom says

"$12,000 would pay for a beautiful stadium and track, all though I don't think that the people who donated it expected it to be used for that purpose."

Well I thought it was pretty funny. I guess I was the only one laughing.
FYI: The track is not blacktop.

I refuse to debate teacher pay. It is only a way to justify not paying for public education. If you don't like unions, don't join one. If you don't like public school teachers, don't send your kids to public schools. 
 

Informed says

jkbroke, how many of those people to which you refer have a master's degree plus years of experience?  And you are wrong about lesson plans.  Curriculum and state standards change every year, and thus lesson plans have to change to accomodate them.  Special ed teachers have IEP's that have to be monitored and updated on a regular basis.  And teachers of middle schoolers and up have tests, papers, reports, etc to grade for 100+ students.  Imagine how long it takes to read a grade 125 one page papers/tests.

lifetimeresident says

Kids

Please settle down.

The issue is not if teachers are deserving of their pay, THEY ARE.  The issue is we are in a tough economy right now, thats going to get even worse.  Teachers and levies are paid for by taxpayers, US, if you live here.  If you work at a job that cut your hours from 40 to 32, it hurts, money is tight.  If you work at a job that had to lay you off, its even worse.  If your doing just fine, " GOOD FOR YOU".  The bottom line is we need to work with what we have available, PERIOD!

MichelleB says

Wow, Guano, that was the biggest load of crap that I've heard in a long time!  Congrats!  You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and lucky for you these comments are private so no one knows how mislead you really are!

Teachers MUST get degrees in exactly what they teach.  It's state law.  And it is impossible to even get a teaching license, let alone an actual teaching job, without a few HUNDRED hours of classroom observation, which is impossible to get online.

Teachers are passionate about what they teach.  If they weren't they wouldn't put up with bureaucratic bull crap that they have to on a daily basis.  If they weren't passionate and making a difference in kids lives (you know, because of parents that just don't care), they might even take a job that they would be overqualified for, like a lawyer or a doctor.  And don't worry about them.  They can find those degrees online through Phoenix.

kelliandnate says

Really Guano?  I find it ironic that it is always the teacher's fault.  Parents come in and defend their children no matter what they did.  Furthermore, for your information, master 's degrees are NOT a dime a dozen.  I question what profession you are in?  Many might believe that you are overpaid for the job you perform.  I have no problem with teachers' salaries being publicized.  I think the majority of the population would agree that teachers are not overpaid and that they are most certainly NOT part time employees!

underthebridge says

I'm different from a lot of posters here.  I don't think that the problem is that teachers are overpaid.  I think that they are probably pretty appropriately paid for their education and the flexibility of their schedules.  I question other expenditures of money not the salaries of teachers. 

guano says

Master's degrees are a dime a dozen.  Most are now purchased online.  Most are barely relevant to the courses they teach.  Face it, they're part-time employees with full-time benefits.  Schools must cut teacher pay and benefits to bring costs under control.  Isn't it curious that all those teachers with master's degrees could walk all over those bleachers and fail to understand that basic maintenance was needed?  Quit pretending that you're all as good as Mr. Holland, because that just won't fly anymore.  The internet has leveled the playing field and opened up the truth behind so many things.  Since tax money pays the teachers, their salaries and benefits should be well publicized.

And don't try to blame parents for teachers' inability to control a class.  Take responsibility for your performance.  Did the giant new campus include special parking for teachers, break rooms, oh and lots of windmills?

Pundit says

kelliandnate says

I'm sorry that so many of you feel that teachers are overpaid and out of touch.   Teachers attend college for at least four years and come out of school earning only 30,000. Really?  That is overpaid?  Then, they are required to return to school to earn a Master's degree.   People working in factories make more than teachers.  I think that many of you are jealous.  Well, my friends, you had the same opportunties as they did.  You should have went to school, earned a degree, and found a teaching job.  Then you could have been one of the ELITE teachers who are apparently overpaid. You made your choice and picked a profession other than teaching.  Get over it.   Oh, did I forgot to mention that teachers are required to write lesson plans, grade papers, and do endless amounts of work all on their own time?  Not to mention, that teachers now have their hands tied and can't discipline any children in the classroom for fear that their crybaby parents will file a lawsuit.  This area amazes me.  It is no wonder the area is going downhill.  A lot of people  around here try to blame someone else for their problems and whenever something goes wrong at a school...they quickly point the finger at teachers.  HOW SAD!!   Oh, and to think that Kasich is going to save Ohio.  You people must be blind!

guano says

Wow, it hasn't been a good day for the teachers!  First they find out from this article's comments that many people believe they are overpaid and out of touch.  Then the state makes major changes to their retirement system.  Hopefully, this is just the beginning of controlling costs.  Thank goodness for Governor Kasich.  He will restore commonsense and get rid of some of the waste!

http://www.portclintonnewsherald.com/article/20110127/UPDATES01/110127009

9299 says

I am very encouraged and optimistic at this point after reading many of the comments from particular posters on this blog (and seemingly every other story posted on the Register site)  because there are a number of people who know exactly what's wrong with the school district and/or local government and who know how to fix it.  So, I expect that at least some individuals who blog repeatedly on here will run for an open spot-just imagine the opportunity to remove all LIBERALS and their INFLUENCE from the board and schools-not to mention  the opportunity to STICK it to those money-grubbing UNION members HA HA.  Given the amount of time they have to spend on these comment blogs, some of these folks should have no problem finding the time to serve the public good and take our community and schools to new heights.  Other repeated posters have the answer to how to communicate better and to be more "honest" and up front with citizens.  Get involved in a meaningful way and you can make the change happen.  Some even advocate tossing out the current board and superintendent; get elected and you can make your goal come to pass.  Not only that, but you could then expose all of the "lies" and hidden money and hidden agendas.  Sign up to lead a committee to raise private funds to repair the stadium and track (I have to say that if someone really believes that $12,000 would pay for the needed repairs in any kind of meaningful way, that is just too laughable) Sign up to run for office.  I'm ready to vote for the "game changers" who post regularly on here.

Tool Shed says

It does not take $600K to resurface a track, add drainage and repair bleachers!!!  That is incorrect!!!  Once again, there is more to this $600K than meets the eye.  What else is he planning on doing with this money?  A simple resurface of the track can be done for a lot less by a local company right down the street....Thorworks!!  Check it out for yourself!!

Pundit says

jkbroke-

Do you realize most teachers have master's degrees and by most accounts make less than private sector employees with the similar training and qualifications? Isn't that enough for you?

If your 68K average is accurate, which it may be, do you know how long it takes a teacher to reach that pay threshold? At least 20 years of work. They have a right to feel "entitled", especially when they deal with people like you, and what we can image are your, shall we say, less than bright, children. And teacher's, gasp, pay property taxes too!

It seems like a lot of people like to pick on teachers because they are an easy target. Anti-tax people are afraid of the IRS and the policy around other tax issues is too complicated for you to understand, so you attack teachers. Real big tough guy.

Bottom line: if you can't afford your property taxes, sell your home and get a rental, hopefully somewhere far away. Sorry you did not turn out to be the "business pro" you thought you could be, but you probably failed for the same reasons you can't understand the complex issues involved with education policy.

My thoughts says

I think he said it was $600K for a new track only.

underthebridge says

Tellthetruth - I was at the meeting and I heard the Superintendent say that too.  I thought "Wow.  I hope he didn't really say that." 

ErieMom - The Athletic Director said that it would take about $600,000 to repair the track, adequately provide drainage for the field, and replace the bleachers.  The concern was that if it was done at the current location that would mess up the master plan.  I think that the BOE and Gunner are having a hard time letting go of the idea that not only was the levy rejected, but the plan was rejected too. (Just my opinion). 

I responded to you in another article re: suggestions for communication.  Here is that response and it is pertinent here. 

eriemom says

$12,000 would pay for a beautiful stadium and track, all though I don't think that the people who donated it expected it to be used for that purpose.

Tool Shed says

Wait, what?   A 6 million dollar surplus in operational funds????   Then why haven't we started repairing the stadium and track yet????

bao says

gunner states in the article that "they dont support,financially, the schools" another board member claims we havent passed an operational levy since 1987, which i dont think is true. with that said, they are sitiing on a 6 million dollar surplus in operational funds, so maybe the voters in the twp are not apathetic but smart and can see the difference between "need" and "greed" 

TellTheTruth says

Gunner is quoted as having stated "Perkins doesn't support its schools, financially" at the BOE meeting last night.  What an irresponsible thing to say!  70% of our real estate taxes go to support Perkins schools.  In retirement for over ten years now I am paying over $700 a month for the schools.  And Gunner, who neither lives nor pays taxes in this township, has the nerve to make a stupid statement like that.  Yes, I said over $700 a month!

Gunner, the door is open--don't let the door hit you on your way out!  And take your cronies on the BOE with you!

Truth or Dare says

Hey jk;  They don't get it,  only because they don't want to.  The majority  have no thought nor care for the concept  of humbling themselves.   Concessions must be made from all that are being paid for w/tax $$$'s , from our Fed. govt.. on down to the least of the civil service jobs, presently the fastest growing jobs out there at this point in time.  They like to give the illusion they're cutting, only to create somehwere else.  When they do cut, it's services alright.   It's the ones affecting the children and the elderly the most. 

 Some wonder why Ehove's levy passed?  Maybe cause when you come out of there you've been prepared for the work force by learning a trade!    Still need  Tradesmen, don't we?   Someone to build your schools, hospitals, homes,  roads, bridges,  fix your cars, your water heater, take care of ya in the hospital or at home when dying etc., etc.. You wonder why the health levy passed, the  levy for our seniors?  How many people use the health dept. because they have no health insurance, let alone had it and lost it, right along w/their job?  Plenty! 

It's pretty sad when someone who has lost their job,  their home,.   Add to that  is having a hard time scraping up the funds to pay school book/class fees for their children.   You don't pay, they hold the child's grade card or Diploma hostage.   The arguement used is that if you can't pay there is a way to have it covered, whether it be book/class fees, lunches or extra curriculars (a privilege, not a right).  Again, falling upon the backs of the taxpayers.  When they continue to seek more at times like these, say they  need it, only to turn around and doll out dough in the form of raises and perks, where is the ethics in that?  

When did the U.S. begin to  govern more  like a 3rd. World Country, and yes, I've been to one,  seen first hand.  Some of us out here have had the opportunity in the past to travel, seeing the squalor with our own eyes.  Heck, one only travel too Appalachia right here in the U.S. and other areas to see it as well.  Believe me when I say jealousy isn't the reason for my feelings.   They flatter themselves saying that is the excuse, as it's really  a waste of emotion!   As I get older, I better understand the "Fall of Rome".   Greed and self-indulgence!         

Salvatore says

My thoughts says "The insurance Company was called because a kid fell through and maybe the insurance Company would like that information, genius. If someone steps in a hole in your yard and breaks their leg I bet you would call your insurance company."    Genius? You must want the tax levy really bad. You must also have first hand knowledge about the boy falling through. When did this happen? What year? My yard is fenched in with no holes. If somebody is in my yard, they are trespassing and I would call the police and not the insurance company, genius.

Tool Shed says

@ My thoughts............you seem to think you know a lot about everything but what you don't know is what the football coach and track coach told the teams last year.....yes last year (actually 2009).   And that was that the money is available for the rebuild of the stadium and track for 2011......not the field!  The stadium and track.  Now why would they BOTH lie to the students if indeed the money was not available?  My son and neighbor's kids heard it from both coaches!  Did this money go into funding the campus campaign?  I don't know, and I doubt that you do!  But let me tell you what, it is a huge letdown to the kids when the coaches promise them something and it does not happen.  My bet is that the BOE wanted this money to go away so they did not have compitition for their campus campaign.  Because if people knew that the money was already available for the stadium and track then it would wipe out all hopes of a levy passing.  Now everybody loses!