iamrevolutionary says

 Here is an informative/interesting article on Fracking in Pa. I found a day or so ago.  

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/20/magazine/fracking-amwell-township.html...   

I also reccomend 'Gas Hole.'   Can be 'Googled.'    Enjoy!

patriot5 says

6079 Smith W says

Nat-gas plunges to 27 yr. low:

http://www.businessinsider.com/natural-gas-plunges-to-27-month-lows-as-2011-12

Cheap domestic energy helped to fuel the ol' U.S. economy and it can do it again.

The U.S. (and OH) will either get fracking or get @#$%.

Why does Ontario have nat-gas and oil wells near and in Lake Erie?

"In 2006 there were 92 commercial oil and gas producers in Ontario. There were 1,045 active oil wells  1275 active natural gas wells and 158 wells which report production of both oil and natural gas."

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/en/Business/OGSR/2ColumnSubPage/STEL02_167105.html

 

origen says

@Gila

Please... The government doesnt sell weapons to the enemys we have, It just depends on your "State of mind" says eric holder. So as long as you have friends in the white house spread the terrorist, drug distributing cartels as much as you want no one will care, They will seal the records and talk about "Feelings" to congress as a way to give themselves excuses for supporting terrorism. (Not saying all people who shoot border guards are terrorist, Just 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of them are)

gilamonster says

goofus says

Oh Wow abugrab, how terrible, it must have been like Auschwitz, or the Bataan Death March, or even the Malmedy Massacre committed by the 1st Panzer Division on American POWs. Oh the horrors of having your own cell and prayer rug.

30 years ago and still today there is a history of kidney disease on the south shore of Lake Erie and I know for a fact it was haliburton's fault and fracking.

goofus says

Quid pro quo, you can cite millions of left wing sites condemning Haliburton and I can cite millions of right wing sites praising Haliburton. Bottom line, have any charges been filed against Halibuton? I saw alot of Haliburton trucks on the road in W.Va., I guess they still are in business. By the way fluids injected near a fault could act as a lubricant and cause shifting of the plates. Just don't inject near a fault. OLD in Vickery accepts out of state waste, could it be the geological substrata of Ohio that makes it more conducive to injection. Aquifiers begin I believe, at about 50 feet,injections start at 1000 feet, I could be wrong. I'm happy you got all your I hate Halibuton out, not good to be a boiling bundle of hate!!!  Anuerisms are so messy!!!

The only things I can see you left out in your Haliburton rant are the Lindbergh baby kidnapping, Area 51, and the Bermuda Triangle, all Haliburton's fault!!!

origen says

@Truthordare

They have banned drilling and then turned around and gave brazil billions to drill in the same areas. Now not only did we pay then to dig the holes, we have to buy the oil at inflated prices from foriegn countrys while our citizens lost jobs. Haliburton is still in full effect, they changed thier name and still wins government contracts all the time.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/about_hal/overview.html The divisions get the contracts under the radar.

The government is funding foriegn jobs with our money instead of researching safer ways of bringing it home to us, The only jobs that are being funded( given gov assistance) on a large scale basis inside the US are "Green" jobs that are either friends of the admin or so poorly run they cannot catch up with china and europe for technology because the infrastructure does not support the material needs. (china gets the material cheaper to manufacture the actual products so they beat up for the pricing of the final commodity) The Bush admin started the mess and the continued policys of the present admin is driving the nails in a energy self sufficiency to the US, By spending billions and going all in on new green energy we are neglecting workable energy already here. By the time to gradually change to "Greener" energy we will be broke and fully dependent on foriegn nations for our energy sources because billions and trillions have been wasted in a "All or nothing" grab for appeasment from the Eco electorate for re-election. (In other words its a political football spending your cash to pick the winner even if The greener enegery sources are completly unable to compete at the present time)

sandman55 says

...sounds like Joshua Pribanic hasn't had his gas hole fracked for a while:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUNBwqovI9U

Truth or Dare says

Hey goof;  I've been called worse, so call me what you will.  I'm figuring you must be in the oil business, that or you work for Haliburton,  maybe you're a sub contractor, possibley a Lobbyist, or just invest?   Funny you bring up Haliburton.  It's a name that gives me a freakin pukey feeling in the pit of my stomache.  "WANTED;  Haliburton, for bribery, fraud & trading w/the enemy!"    Anyone interested, just google Haliburton, and start searching, reading and learning;  Start by watching, "Haliburton Scams America".  It's a news politics video, or how bout "The Truth about Haliburton and Dick Cheney".  Read about the Secret war in Space.  Better explains the shutting down of our space exploration program. 

 You can read about the former Haliburton exec., Albert J. Stanley, who plead guilty to bribery.  Every company that's willing to conduct business as Haliburton, well, they'll need somekind of Sacraficial Lamb.   From Dec. 6, 20ll, you can read how BP is accusing Haliburton of destroying key oil spill evidence.  See, Haliburton likes to cut corners on the cement slurrys used.  Especially the ones worked on just a matter of hours prior to an explosion and spill within the Gulf!   

You can also read about how Bush and his Administration had no problem with ":distorting the science to shield Haliburton from pollution laws".  Hmmm, imagine that.  Aren't  Bush/Cheney (which one was really the POTUS) oil men?  Or how bout the May 11, 2010 article printed by Public Citizen (see, Washington has it's BIG OIL LOBBYISTS, we the people, have what's referred to as Watch-Dog orgs. such as Public Citizen, just google n learn): read   "As oil gushes into the Gulf, here's what Lawmakers should do:

1. Pass "Your spill, your bill", and rather than paying only millions, it' should be billions to clean up and take care of the communities destroyed!

2. Restructure the Regulator

3. Put Safety first

4. Hold Big Oil accountable

5. Ban new drilling."    

Maybe you could find a way to produce renewable enegry, w/o fracking up the earth a bit more?  Oh, wait, not as profitable, or is it?  I'm too understand the  new word for those profiting off of Fracking, is "Shaleionaires".  Again, who'se profiting from this method, and just exactly what kind of damage does it really do?    Which explains better the article as of Feb. 24th, 2011, "Haliburton goes after fracking cirtics". 

If you can actually sit there and tell a family from the local Cancer Cluster areas, who'se children are dying, that there has been no poisoning of ground water, the soil, our own lil sea, Lake Erie and Sandusky Bay, of which by the way still has HOT SPOTS, let alone the Gulf, our Oceans from oil spills/explosions,  there are no hazardous repercussions to our health, and all with a straight face...............  Besides, aside from Watch-Dog orgs.,   I'll take the word of a family member who served @ AbuGrab Prison, until injured,  and is quite familiar w/the workings of Haliburton.  Wonder how many more Soldiers coming home or are already home, will eventually succumb to the need to cleanse their soul of what they saw, what kinds of things really take/took place during our so called,  War on Terrorism! 

By the way goof, the article I was speaking of regarding the quake in Youngstown, I didn't write that.  It was p/u by the Assoc. Press.  As a taxpaying resident of the State of Ohio, I find it rather interesting that BS (Brime, a by-product from drilling of which I'm sure has no caustic, poisonous components, right)  is being shipped from PA., pumped into the ground here, in Ohio, and the State of Ohio is having monitors placed........gee, wonder if we the taxpayers are paying for those monitors?   You probably have no problem w/that, right?     Maybe the company in PA, the one shipping such BS, needs to pay for it?  I think they should, and I also think that if there is any possibility that such pumping could be TRIGGERING quakes, STOP ASAP! Haliburton may not of been present 200 something years ago, but the same greed and lack of conscious,  let  alone a soul was!

Also, the facts given regarding the Cancer rate of the Northcoast of the U.S., that was acquired through the Cleveland Clinic Cancer  Center.  It was a bit of info. provided, oh about 11 yrs. ago,   when a rather healthy sibling was suddently diagnosed w/Multiple Myeloma, a very rare form of cancer, let alone found in someone as young as they were!   

 

6079 Smith W says

 @ sanduskysteve:

Radioactive waste in space? BIG PROBLEM.

What if the payload fails to attain orbit and falls to Earth somewhere?

Also, you're obviously unaware of the controversy surrounding the Cassini mission to Saturn: 

"Cassini's 72.3 pounds of plutonium dioxide (mostly Pu-238, with about 15% Pu-239, for a total of about 406,000 Curies of plutonium) was the most ever launched at one time.  There were world-wide protests."

http://www.animatedsoftware.com/cassini/cass2004/LousyGamble.htm

 

The recently launched Mars rover, Curiosity is powered by small amount of a nuke material:

http://digitaljournal.com/article/314887

 

From my days in Chicago: Fugitaboutit.

 

 

gilamonster says

sanduskysteve says

Can you please tell me the problem with dumping radioactive material in radioactive space?  Tell me who this harms and how this negatively effects the earth.  In fact, it could be sent by unmanned probes to the moon for all that matters - it surely isn't going to come back to bite us from there.  And it would be a much better use of all of those unmanned ships going to the outreaches of the the galaxy for no good reason at all.

I'm all for NASA and space exploration, but at least this would be a benefit to all who live on this planet if a few were used for something good.

Just because someone doesn't agree with you or comes up with something you don't agree with doesn't make them a moonbat or whatever the hell other term you may makeup to describe anyone who isn't on your planet.

goofus says

Truth or Dare, 12 days and 200 years ago we had the worst earthquake ever on the New Madrid Fault, I swore I saw a fracking rig and Haliburton truck parked by the epicenter!!!!

goofus says

Oh joy, one moonbat wants to put radioactive material into space and another thinks the recent advent of fracking to causing cancer. To clarify, the Youngstown deep injection well is not fracking it's designed to disperse and inject industrial fluids rather similar to Ohio Liquid Disposal in Vickery. So far moonbats and the Obozo regime want to end fracking(no cheap natural gas for heating your home). They want to stop the pipeline from Canada, they have stopped drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico (Even though the chinese are drilling off of Cuba) and they are overthrowing middle east allies and putting in the Muslim Brotherhood as rulers, and who know what they did with the spokesman for coal degasification which could be done for a cost of fifty dollars a barrel. Bottom line is the democratic party and its allies(Tree Huggers) want all citizens to pay through the nose for heating and transportation.

The left have the nerve to say we want to do away with the middle class, Me thinks their energy policy is doing more harm to the middle working class. The entitlement class will always get their heat for free, but what about the families that make merely one dollar more than the entitlement guidelines. With the regimes goal of high natural gas and 5 dollars a gallon gas, who is going to get hurt the most, certainly not the 1% !!!!

origen says

Get ready for the squeeze.

http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-says-no-oil-will-pass-through-the-strait-of-hormuz-if-we-sanction-their-oil-exports-2011-12

Truth or Dare says

Yep, let's just keep frackin up  Mother Earth!    Who profits from this?  Anyone catch the story on pg. A9 of the SR, on 12/26, lower left-hand corner of page, just a blurb, really!   It's the one about an earthquake in NE Ohio,  a 2.4 magnitude quake in Youngstown?  ".......It was centered near an injection well that is used to dispose of the brime water that's a byproduct of oil and gas drilling.  It's the ninth quake this year to be centered in Mahoning County.   The State has installed monitoring equip. to help determine whether the quakes are resulting from the deep injection of brime in tthe earth."  These leftovers are shipped in from PA.!    Hmmmmmmmm, only 3 mos. outta the year and there were no quakes!  Hmmm, gee, I feel better, how bout the rest of ya's?  We live in an area, the Northcoast,  that is already noted to have the highest cancer rate of the U.S..  Hmmmm, wonder why? 

Keep putting more holes in the earth, the kind she doesn't make herself, pumping  BS into them, she'll either swallow us hole or explode and send us flying!  Heck, due to rapid poisoning She's giving the same back!  This is where intelligence, mixed with greed has gotten us.     

sanduskysteve says

Spent nuclear rods issue was passed up way long time ago. There was a very good solution to this issue and it wouldn't have taken a single square foot of earth to dispose of them - NOT store them, but completely dispose of them where they couldn't hurt anything at all - anyplace on earth. There was no reason they couldn' thave been hauled into space in the cargo bay of all of those shuttle missions and released into space to burn up on reentry as many other things do. That radiation would have dissapated with the rest of the dangerous like radiation as they were destroyed and noone would have been at risk, and we were already going into space anyway. And this is still a viable solution in the future when we start our space missions back up again. In fact, we could have sent the rest of the waste from around the world up there are a charge and actually make some profit off of this "business". Somehow the Russians and Chinese haven't figured this out yet. Anything that destroys people's drinking water needs to be regulated - and that's what the EPA is there for. Noone who thinks about eliminating the EPA will win an election for President - there are too many people out there who use wells for drinking water - they outnumber the rest of the country many times over. Everyone is soo concerned about ethanol eliminating feed for livestock - eliminate their water in the streams and rivers and see which does more damage to the livestock. Cost of meat will triple if farmers have to purify rivers and streams for their livestock to drink. And the damage done to the food grown in areas where the water is contaminated by this crap will then create other forms of deceases and harm to consumers.

goofus says

What's wrong with this country, with Obozo giving millions to buddies in solar energy companies that are bankrupt the europeans are leading the way for true energy reform. Europe and the Joint European Torus test facility is the largest research facility in the world working on nuclear fission with the experimental tokamark reactor. In La Hague France is a facility that is working on recycling spent nuclear fuel rods. The U.S. is just now looking into it

If fracking is so life threatening, why can't your beloved EPA monitor everything added to the water in the process!!!

6079 Smith W says

More companies may be starting up in OH and nearby states to take advantage of the cheap nat-gas:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204844504577100421253005122.html

 

Take a look at the article's picture. Much of what the protesters are wearing and using appears to be made from petrochemicals!!! LOL. 

Did that plastic protection for their little protest signs grow on sheep?

 

origen says

@Kimo

The point was "we actually had a place to store it that is better than the plan for storage we now are left with" One, there is no long term storage plan in place besides the one in yucca, Two, you and i both know if left to the feds or the private sector it will go to the cheapest hole they can find where it will most likely effect me and you after our tax money already paid federal contractors billions to dig a hole and the can will get kicked down the road anyways. I agree fracking does have alot of kinks to work out and the matter should be looked into alot more without the politics getting in the way to free us from foriegn sources of oil. But as usual politics has already taken hold and it is now a football of sorts with no major scientific consensus on it. When the money and energy has completly dried up from sending it all overseas then those eco people had better know how to live off the land because im pretty sure the power to thier high rise apartments doesnt come from concrete streets and wishful thinking.

T. A. Schwanger says

Thanks for the post Eriemom. Very informative should get people interested in learning more about this issue

sandman55 says

I think you nailed it, Knukles...."hippie, environmentalist whacko"....works for me.

Kimo says

 

Re:  Yucca waste disposal

Waste disposal?

How about waste storage. Like in fracking waste water storage.

For future generations to deal with, like in pay for the cleanup.

You know, like the tar in the bay, the abandoned buildings and other things companies "Disposed" of.

Looks to me like they kicked the can down the road, took their profits and blew town.

How in hell did the government (taxpayers) get stuck with that problem to begin with?

Looks to me like some politician somewhere had fool written on his forehead or got paid off big time.

 

 

 

The New World Czar says

...and the EPA will further investigate consequences of fracking by bringing in a couple of heavy hitters:

origen says

@Kimo

The very first thing obama done when in office is to get rid of Yucca waste disposal (Nuclear depot). Which already cost billions to build and is now a money hole that does nothing. So when it comes to nuclear waste thank the present administration for getting rid of the best hope of ridding ourselves of nuclear waste.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aoumcQ0grg0M 

 

goofus says

Krusty Kimo, quit teasing me!!!

goofus says

Eriemom, deep injected wells or horizontal wells, there is a big difference. Can't the EPA monitor what besides water is injected in a deep injection well?

Kimo says

 

Republicans have a solution for that problem.

They intend to do away with the EPA.

Problem solved.

 

 

eriemom says

CHEYENNE, Wyo. — The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency announced Thursday for the first time that fracking — a controversial method of improving the productivity of oil and gas wells — may be to blame for causing groundwater pollution.

The draft finding could have a chilling effect in states trying to determine how to regulate the process.

The practice is called hydraulic fracturing and involves pumping pressurized water, sand and chemicals underground to open fissures and improve the flow of oil or gas to the surface.

The EPA’s found that compounds likely associated with fracking chemicals had been detected in the groundwater beneath a Wyoming communitywhere residents say their well water reeks of chemicals.

Health officials advised them not to drink their water after the EPA found hydrocarbons in their wells.

This APNewsBreak is certainly a bombshell for an industry whose favorite (very dubious) talking point had been “we’ve never had one confirmed case of groundwater contamination.”

Kimo says

 

Will fracking raise enough money to dispose of all the Nuke Waste that is stockpiled when the big boys shut those facilities down and walk away?

If you think it costs a lot to clean up the mess in and under Sandusky, wait until you get stuck with the bill to clean up Davis Besse.

Gonna need a lot of fracking money.

 

 

SimpleEnough says

 I have my concerns with fracking......think of Sidoti's Ekhart's Co. OLD (Ohio Liquid Disposal) or another example is Grieners Pond.

6079 Smith W says

 @ OMG.LOL.WT_:

Better cut the nonsense and pay attention to what's going on in the Straits of Hormuz:

http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-says-no-oil-will-pass-through-the-strait-of-hormuz-if-we-sanction-their-oil-exports-2011-12

$200/bbl oil could become a reality.

My energy stocks would go through the roof!

---------------------

Why does Canada have oil and nat-gas wells in and near Lake Erie?

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/en/Business/OGSR/2ColumnSubPage/STEL02_167105.html

 

 

OMG.LOL.WT_ says

I see your point on Mexico, Smith.  If eventually we become as poor as the people in Mexico, the big corporations will no longer have to export the jobs and we can all work for slave wages.   GO REPUBLICANS

6079 Smith W says

Remember that Canada pulled out of the Kyoto Protocol:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45646283/ns/us_news-environment/t/canada-pulls-out-kyoto-protocol/

Fewer Mexicans are entering the U.S. illegally because there are more opportunities in Mexico.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203518404577094722741385882.html

 

Thanks to Mr. Obama and friends, Canada and Mexico may have to reinforce their borders in order to keep out Americans sneaking into their countries looking for jobs.

 

goofus says

When China is erecting a coal fired electrical production plant at the rate of one a month, European dirty diesels, India's smog, Canada backing out of the Kyoto Accord, what good does the EPA do if we are the only ones using their onerus regulations. Debris from the Tsunami in Japan is just arriving on the left coast. Let's all sit around Bess's campfire and sing Kumbaya and praise the EPA! So American businesses must strive to make a profit with numerous feel good EPA rules, and the other industrialized nations don't. No wonder Mexico and China get most factories.

schmoo says

Not a problem TheScientist, I will look them up and post them later today or your can e-mail me at timandjin1@myfrontiermail.com 

TheScientist says

Schmoo, I'd be interested in reading about the drilling in/near Cleveland you were referring to a few posts down, in the apartment parking lot and behind the school.  Do you have any articles on those? 

 

 

schmoo says

Just what I am talking about 6079 Smith W believe controlled main stream media -- live it and experience it like I do -- read things with a open mind -- read both left and right and make your OWN decision and not what is being told to you that you should think. The last time I knew people had the right to do that but not many have the ambition.

origen says

Maybe they can use Corexit to frack? The EPA Ok'ed it for the oil spill ??? LOL!!!

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Corexit (The EPA knows all and is looking out for your well being)

6079 Smith W says

"Gasland" lied.
 

"GWPC and Hydraulic Fracturing":

http://www.gwpc.org/e-library/documents/general/GWPC%20and%20hydraulic%20fracturing.pdf

http://www.gwpc.org/home/GWPC_Home.dwt

Bess says

EPA - GOOD

FRACKING - BAD

SIMPLE STUFF.  We need to protect our environment and that includes all the eco systems that support it.  Reason is simple too, I want air to breathe, water to drink, fish to eat.

When there is something that compromises my wants I consider it a bad thing.

Another “want” is a prosperous economy where folks, ordinary folks, have work.  To those on this blog that purport that we cannot have both I say “poppycock”.  We the citizens must just insist on both and not let industrialists off the hook on environmental issues.  The more they cry they cannot create jobs because of EPA the more ridiculous they look.  They want to make money and eventually they will, after EPA compliance.  Of course they don’t like compliance it cuts into their profits but let’s be clear EPA regulations and sound environmental policy does not prevent profit.  If the industrialists want to make money they will, and they will comply first.

 

schmoo says

goofus -- do you know that a car designed to run for up to 100 miles per gal. was developed in the late 60"s but the oil companies bought the rights and burried the plans for it with our governments knowledge? Yep -- they have done that and will continue to do that as long as the oil companies supply a kick-back to the crooks in Wahington. Now -- just one guess on this one -- who tells main stream meadia what they can and can not have for news stories -- just one guess now -- YIKES

schmoo says

Was that honestly pointed at me 6079 Smith W ? How much reserch have you done on this subject? Are you in threat of loosing your mineral rights by force? Yes -- in Ohio they can do that and that is exactly what I am up against. Do you think your safe because you live in a apartment or a co-op -- ya right think again -- why don't you ask the folks up by Cleveland that came home one evening from work to find them drilling in the center of the parking lot in the apartment complex. Why don't you find out why one school district is allowing them to drill right behind the school. Why don't you look into how they can be drilling almost a mile away from your house and still be right under your foundation. Do people just look at dollar signs? When will people actually wake up and look at what is going on around them insted of just takeing what main stream media wants to feed them --- WAKE UP -- THERE IS MORE THEN MEETS THE EYE

goofus says

Yep, can't wait for my first windmill powered airplane ride to Port Disney to take a windmill powered cruise ship. How far will a solar powered M1A1 Abrahms go. If we have a hundred years supply of oil what will we have for energy by then, Fusion? Wasn't it a little over a hundred years ago the Wright Brothers took their first flight? Being a conservative, I have more faith in men to eventually come up with a new energy source in the next 100 years. But being a liberal, you have no faith in men to overcome without governmental intrusion. How do you know what technoloy will be around when the oil stops flowing.

6079 Smith W says

@ OMG.LOL.WT_ :

Old news and BI is merely the second hand source.

So the govt. is always right?

 

schmoo says

OOPS powering our cars -- heck I was close.

schmoo says

Sorry to burst your bubble goofus -- that movie has nothing to to with Moore the idiot -- maybe if you take a little time out of your day and watch the movie -- it may just open your eyes a little. I am not supposed to worry about what we are leaving our grandkids? Yes -- the national debt and no jobs is REALLY bad but maybe -- just maybe they can have safe drinking water and houses (or apartments) that do not blow off thier foundation while they are sleeping. I am all for finding new alternative ways of fuel, heating our homes, powing our cars but lets find ways of useing what we have in a more productive fashion insted of screwing up our planet to try and feed the fuel pig!

OMG.LOL.WT_ says

@6079Smith

I found the business insider very interesting.  I also found the following from Wikipedia, about business insider also interesting:

 The site editors vary greatly in background. Henry Blodget is the CEO and Editor-In-Chief, a Yale graduate who previously worked on Wall Street before being barred from the securities industry after a conviction for securities fraud. Senior writer Dan Frommer is a Northwestern graduate who joined from Forbes. Deputy editor Joe Weisenthal has worked as an analyst and writer for a series of dotcoms. Deputy editor Nicholas Carlson previously worked at Internet.com and Gawker Media's Silicon Valley gossip blog, Valleywag.com.

Just because you read something on the internet doesn't mean it is all true.  Also what you see on Fox or MSNBC.

The New World Czar says

KnuckleDragger has this guy pegged correctly, a Michael Moore wannabe.