Jan 16, 2014

What's your opinion of legalizing marijuana?

I'm curious of thoughts and opinions of people living in the Register's coverage area about Colorado's bill on legalizing recreational use of marijuana? Would it be an effective tax break the state of Ohio or any other state that may break down and legalize it? Anthony via email

Anthony's alluding to Colroado, among many other states, beginning to legalize marijuana for recreational use. It's still illegal in Ohio.

Comment below about whether you feel marijuana should be legalized or not, and what advantages or disadvantages come with that.

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Comments

Darkhorse

Doesn't legalizing marijuana contradict health care? Just think about it. We are paying high premiums now for health insurance and now we are permitting people to drive the cost up even more with more health problems that come along with marijuana use, and we have to pay for it in high premiums for someone's irresponsibility. It is a shame and it goes against Federal laws.

mikeylikesit

it's going on anyway. the law isn't stopping it.

Licorice Schtick

Show me someone who wants a drug legalized and I'll show you a user of that drug.

deertracker

What health problems? Putting someone in prison for smoking it is a waste of tax dollars!

Unassumer

I agree. Make room for the murderers and pedophiles and let the pot smokers and sellers out.

KnuckleDragger

Agreed. The war on drugs has been a dismal failure. This country has spent billions on it and it has done nothing to stop the flow of or use of drugs. Just think of how much money would be saved by decriminalizing it and not having all these people locked up in prison. Focus more on education and treatment since there is increasing evidence around the world that this is more effective than trying to stop the flow of drugs and incarceration.

Centauri

"Doesn't legalizing marijuana contradict health care?"

Cannabis should be part of health care. Do your research. Ignore the lies and the bullsh!t.

Cannabis can provide relief from stress. Stress can make you sick or kill you.

Cannabis can help you sleep. Lack of sleep can make one sick or die early.

Cannabis can treat alcoholism.

Cannabis can prevent cancer. It can also stop cancer.

Big Pharma, the FDA, the AMA and others will come after anybody who dares to show a cure for cancer. If people were all healthy, Big Pharma, the FDA and others could not make any money. Only sick people make money for Big Pharma.

Another plant, Erythroxylon coca has many health benefits, including blood glucose control.

QUESTION: How many people get sick or die from Big Pharma's drugs each year?

Unassumer

definitely! and the insurance companies are going to raise premiums despite marijuana laws. they want to make as much money as possible without providing you with affordable care.

SamAdams

Don't forget that marijuana is also an effective treatment for glaucoma. Further, it is one of the best anti-nausea measures available which has proved a great boon to those undergoing chemotherapy. It is also an appetite enhancer that has had marked success with those undergoing treatment for HIV/AIDS.

Those rabid anti-drug folks also like to ignore the fact that it's quite literally impossible to overdose on marijuana, it's non-addictive, and it's far safer than alcohol or most other drugs.

You're right, too, about the drugs that kill people on a regular basis. By the same token, have you ever searched for the number of deaths caused annually by marijuana? The answer, lest you wonder, is zero. In fact, there has NEVER been a documented marijuana-caused fatality. It's also cheap and infinitely renewable.

Oh, yes, big pharma truly loathes marijuana! The government? It just likes the power it gets from the failure called the "War on Drugs."

P.S. I don't want to see anybody here babbling about marijuana being a "gateway drug," either. That claim has long been shown to be bogus (the "study" -- I use the term loosely -- was conducted in such an improper way that, using IDENTICAL methodology, I can "prove" to you that going to church causes people to commit murder, or that drinking milk means you'll die of breast cancer).

deertracker

I agree with the three of you!

From the Grave

It didn't help Bob Marley.

Centauri

Look up "Acral Lentiginous Melanoma"

http://www.curiosityaroused.com/...

From the Grave

Regular exercise, a diet of REAL food, and not over working because you've over extended yourself financially will do the same things for you.

doctorsRdrugdealer

Just like the recession in the 30s the government found a way to tax alcohol so they did and it took us out the recession. Now they think marijuana can do the same! Its coming no matter what way you shake it!

getit right be4...

Legalize it.

Its great to see some states pushing back on the Fed. I hope this is a trend that will continue with other laws. The Federal government is suppose to work for the states not the other way around.

getit right be4...

And I don't support Taxing it like crazy neither.

Erie County Resident

More stupid questions fron the confused stoner state of Cheech & Chong.

Unassumer

Dave's not here!

Contango

Spending trillions of dollars in order to enforce the prohibition has been an abject failure.

Both the drug dealers and law enforcement have profited from it.

Time to re-think the prohibition of all illegal substances, not just marijuana.

For one, see the results of decriminalization of all drugs in Portugal:

http://www.spiegel.de/internatio...

Erie County Resident

Portugal?
Really?
Isn't this one of the brain dead countries that have riots where a soccer game breaks out at half time?
Yeah let's bring that crap to our already screwed up country.

KnuckleDragger

Portugal is not the only country where there has been some success in lowering problems with drug abuse by decriminalizing it. Many countries in Europe have done the same with the same success. Seems education and treatment work better and are less costly than punishment and going after dealers.

Contango

Re: "Portugal?"

We should 'at a minimum' look at their experience.

So what's the alternative; continue to spend trillions more fighting a war that we've clearly lost?

The U.S. has the most number of laws against illegal drugs in the world, yet we are the largest users on the planet.

Sumpthin's outa whack in our policies toward drugs.

rjk1915

You don't believe in at least trying to make things better ? We're already a second rate country, just a big one. Our teenagers are already in eighteenth or twentieth place

Unassumer

make things better for who? and how? life is not a race so who cares what place we're in! chill man, chill.

Unassumer

It's okay by me if they legalize it. I don't smoke it now but I have in my younger days. I think it would give law enforcement the ability to concentrate on more dangerous drugs and dealers. Alcohol definitely seems to cause more problems and pot helps some health issues, so I see no reason not to legalize it.

Centauri

Research "endocannabinoid system"

A healthy human body makes endocannabinoids but stress or lack of sleep can stop the human body from producing these beneficial cannabinoids. Lack of cannabinoids also leads to alcoholism and drug abuse.

http://alcalc.oxfordjournals.org...
THE ENDOCANNABINOID SYSTEM: PHYSIOLOGY AND PHARMACOLOGY

http://naturalnews.com/040456_ma...
"Marijuana cannabinoids help restore the body's own natural cellular abilities"

hilltop

And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Bible - King James Version

If the Good Lord pushes it up out of the ground mankind shouldn't be regulating it. Legalize marijuana and tax it.

thinkagain

Oh look, the Cheetos eatin’, cartoon watchin’ stoners, who find it difficult to hold a coherent conversation, know what’s best for our society. Keep hitting the bong dopers.

Centauri

I have provided many links about the benefits of cannabis to the human body the past few months.

Did you even bother to click on the links and read the truthful information?

Keep thinking again again again again again again again ........

No Wake

It would be fun to make a caricature of you, thinkagain, but what could I say here that you haven't already said yourself?

deertracker

@ thinkagain
the idiot speaks

SamAdams

Thinkagain, you need to change your handle to ThinkFIRST, or just THINK!

Suggesting that everyone who has smoked marijuana is a "Cheetos eatin', cartoon watchin' stoner" is no different than claiming everyone who has enjoyed a martini is a drooling alcoholic.

thinkagain

ThinkFIRST? Oh my…see how witty and clever a conversationalist dope has made you? Relax Sammy, take another hit, have another Cheeto. Although, using a psychoactive or alcoholic substance to act as a coping mechanism, is not the solution to your problems. It is merely a mask.

SamAdams

No argument concerning those who use drugs (including alcohol) as a coping mechanism. But to relax with a couple of beers on a hot summer day, or to smoke a joint on occasion isn't hurting ANYbody, including the guy or gal who indulges.

grumpy

I have little problem with legalization. I am wondering where they draw the lines. By that I mean where and how the gov't comes up with a test for OVI limits, and pertaining to that how will they rate or compare the intoxication limits on each gram? Like beer is 7% alcohol, wine is what 15%, and liquor has the content printed on the bottle. How can you estimate how much you can imbibe and still drive? Will there be some kind of way to measure it? Just making it legal is only the first baby step. Ther things I am questioning are what is going to make or break it. How much can you airline pilot smoke the night before flying you cross country? How much can the truck driver eat the night before driving off in his 80,000 lb rig? Booze we have a way to test and years of experience for people to know what allows them to function 100% the next day or if they need more than one night to recover. Those are the things I am waiting to see how they are resolved. Legalizing is just the first step, the rest is the hard parts.

Will every plant be differnt strengths? Will each have to be tested? Is there even a test that can determine levels of intoxication? For those of us who believe all drugs should be legalized it would also have to have tests and limits for all the legalized intoxicants. Does anyone think the federal gov't is up to overseeing this? We can't put the genie back in the bottle... anyone have any ideas? I sure don't. I read a question like this just the other day and it was not something I thought of before. No matter what you or I think it will be overseen by this wonderful federal gov't.

No Wake

How much alcohol can a pilot drink before his flight? None.
How much alcohol can a truck driver drink before his route? None.
I seriously doubt marijuana use will come into play any more than alcohol already does in these and other safety sensitive professions.

There are definitely strains of marijuana that are more potent than others, sellers will advertise the potency of what they're selling much like brewers at a craft brewery advertise their beers' ABV percentages. Strains of marijuana will tested in a lab for their potency, and clones of that plant will have similar characteristics. A buyer will be well aware of the potency of what they are buying to know how it will affect them when they consume it, much like alcohol.

There is a saliva test on the market that checks for marijuana usage within the past 6 hours, though instead of a "level of intoxication" like a breathalyzer would give you, it returns either a positive or a negative. A person could show a positive test if they had smoked in the past 6 hours, regardless if they are still feeling a high. Users will be responsible for making a decision about whether they need to be sober or pass a saliva test later in the day before they smoke, much like the decisions a responsible drinker should be making.

Are the Feds up to overseeing marijuana regulation and taxation? I suppose the ATF could just add on another letter...

grumpy

Re: "How much alcohol can a pilot drink before his flight? None.
How much alcohol can a truck driver drink before his route? None.
I seriously doubt marijuana use will come into play any more than alcohol already does in these and other safety sensitive professions."

If you had read what I actually wrote you would see that I wrote the night before flying or driving, not what YOU wrote leaving the night before out. I understand you are comparing drinking to using pot, but even so keep the time between inbibing and driving or flying the same if you wish to compare them even remotely equal.

Actually each can have one beer or one ounce of liquor the night before. They have a limit of IIRC .002 or .001. After 8 hours one beer or shot would be below that for most people. As I say where will the lines be drawn.As far as a saliva test how could someone who took one hit drive home? He hasn't inbibed enough to be intoxicated but what test is accurate like the BAC or breathalizer? Insurance compaies and employers will have to find some way to test levels of use. Booze has accepted tests and levels. Heck when I was a kid .015 was the limit for driving and now it is half that. That is why I asked about labaling the strength of the different drugs. So the user can predict his level of intoxication and time it takes to leave his system. You need mor than the seller saying this is some kick @$$ $#it.

As far as ATF overseeing it they have done such good work at Ruby Ridge and on Fast and Furious that you would want that?

Babo

How about the federal Food and Drug Administration? That department reviews testing and licenses all prescription drugs.

grumpy

I have little problem with legalization. I am wondering where they draw the lines. By that I mean where and how the gov't comes up with a test for OVI limits, and pertaining to that how will they rate or compare the intoxication limits on each gram? Like beer is 7% alcohol, wine is what 15%, and liquor has the content printed on the bottle. How can you estimate how much you can imbibe and still drive? Will there be some kind of way to measure it? Just making it legal is only the first baby step. Ther things I am questioning are what is going to make or break it. How much can you airline pilot smoke the night before flying you cross country? How much can the truck driver eat the night before driving off in his 80,000 lb rig? Booze we have a way to test and years of experience for people to know what allows them to function 100% the next day or if they need more than one night to recover. Those are the things I am waiting to see how they are resolved. Legalizing is just the first step, the rest is the hard parts.

Will every plant be differnt strengths? Will each have to be tested? Is there even a test that can determine levels of intoxication? For those of us who believe all drugs should be legalized it would also have to have tests and limits for all the legalized intoxicants. Does anyone think the federal gov't is up to overseeing this? We can't put the genie back in the bottle... anyone have any ideas? I sure don't. I read a question like this just the other day and it was not something I thought of before. No matter what you or I think it will be overseen by this wonderful federal gov't.

Centauri

I tried to reply to your comment but my computer was under attack. What do you want to know?

I know that the DEA hates me for providing the truth.

http://projectcbd.org/
Cannabidiol (CBD) is a compound in cannabis that has medical effects but does not make people feel “stoned” and can actually counter the psychoactive effects of THC. After decades in which only high-THC Cannabis was available, CBD-rich strains are now being grown by and for medical users.

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicag...
THC is what makes you high and the reason most recreational users partake. What most don't know is the medicinal value of the plant comes mostly from a different source: cannabidiol.

Cannibidiol (CBD) is a non-psychoactive component of marijuana that possesses a wide range of therapeutic benefits. When present in high quantities, CBD enhances THC's positive effects while negating many of the negatives. It's clear both cannabanoids coexist in the plant for a reason, often acting synergistically.

The problem is growers realized decades ago that THC is what sells; it provides the floating, euphoric feeling people associate with marijuana. In order to enhance THC content, CBD has been bred out of many strains, leaving users with a highly psychoactive experience but not necessarily the healthiest, especially for those with preexisting mental disorders.

Centauri

I posted the "chicago now" link as a source of information only and I am not promoting the business selling the CBD products.

Medical cannabis uses THC and CBD together. The CBD cancels out the negatives properties of THC such as getting high, stoned and psychosis.

Big Pharma came out with Marinol. You can look up Marinol and do your own research. Marinol is very expensive. Now why would Big Pharma sell Marinol if the DEA says there are no medical benefits of cannabis?

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.o...
Marijuana vs. Marinol - A Side by Side Comparison

http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets...

http://www.marinol.com/

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.o...
10 Pharmaceutical Drugs Based on Cannabis

shaggy433

Actually there is a test that can be given to test the amount of THC in your system to tell if you are "Under the Influence"

"Currently, THC-blood tests are the norm in most states that have laws regulating marijuana use while driving. They generally dictate that drivers caught with THC in their bloodstream at a level of five nanograms of THC per milliliter of blood are considered "under the influence" and may be subject to penalty. But unlike blood-alcohol level, which have a direct correlation with a driver's intoxication, blood-THC levels don't necessarily indicate a level of impairment.

Depending on the quality and potency of the marijuana consumed, the psychoactive effects wear off within three to four hours, with THC levels in the bloodstream peaking at five to 10 minutes after inhalation and then decreasing, according to a study from Marijuana Policy Project. http://www.mpp.org/assets/pdfs/l...

There was just an article posted last month that stated that their are tests being done to test a "breath test" for Marijuana use that so far seems to be that it will be quite useful in determining if someone is impaired.

Pot has been around for a long time and most users know how it allows them to function hours/next day after use just like booze does. Just because it becomes legal doesn't mean that everyone is going to run out and start using, just as not all young adults turn into alcoholics the day they turn 21. Most people that that don't use pot now will continue to not use if it became legal if they aren't interested in it.

grumpy

Re: "Pot has been around for a long time and most users know how it allows them to function hours/next day after use just like booze does. Just because it becomes legal doesn't mean that everyone is going to run out and start using, just as not all young adults turn into alcoholics the day they turn 21. Most people that that don't use pot now will continue to not use if it became legal if they aren't interested in it."

I don't care what most users "think" they can do and when they "think" they can do it. I asked about where the lines are. OSHA, insurance, employers, and gov't don't accept what someone "thinks" they can handle. It is why I asked what and where the lines will be drawn. I am not interested in what is OK for most, I am interested in where the lines are and what criteria will be used in drawing those lines for the organizations I mentioned above, they don't take what someone using pot, any other drug, or alcohol. They use tests and numbers. They don't care what someone using an intoxicant thinks when they may be under the influence. They have numbers and procedures for alcohol, and that is what needs to be done for pot, or any other drug that becomes legal. Making the drug legal is the easy p[art when the testing isn't a reality, nor a limit known. As I said the testing and limits for booze is already set. It is the limits or lines that I am interested in, the legalization part is the easy part.

shaggy433

You should re-read my post...nevermind here is the part you missed..

"Currently, THC-blood tests are the norm in most states that have laws regulating marijuana use while driving. They generally dictate that drivers caught with THC in their bloodstream at a level of five nanograms of THC per milliliter of blood are considered "under the influence" and may be subject to penalty.

The line is drawn at a level of 5nanograms per 1milliliter of blood. This rate is where lawmakers have determined you to be under the influence. Just like they determined a blood alcohol content of over .08% to be under the influence.

This limit was decided after a study conducted by Dr. Franjo Grotenherman titled : Developing Science-Based Per Se Limits
for Driving under the Influence of Cannabis (DUIC)

Read here: http://www.canorml.org/healthfac...

This limit is also mentioned by the NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration)
Read here: http://www.nhtsa.gov/people/inju...

So as you should have just read there IS a limit set and testing methods that have been in use for a while now (2005-2006)

grumpy

Re: "So as you should have just read there IS a limit set and testing methods that have been in use for a while now (2005-2006)"

Are you stating that those are the way they will test and numbers that the state, OHSA, employers, and insurance companies are accepting? Or is this just something that is for driving under the influence? That is why I included OHSA, insurance companies and employers. Those organizations don't use the same levels as driving you car, at least where alcohol is concerned and I would bet that any trace of pot or other drugs would create a problem with them now. That is why I listed them several times. If trace amounts stay in your system for hours after the effects are over how would OHSA look at it,? How would your employer? Your employers insurance company if you have an accident on a construction site? with a press? Where and what are the lines?

From your last link:
Blood to Plasma Concentration Ratio: 0.55

Interpretation of Blood Concentrations: It is difficult to establish a relationship between a person's THC blood or plasma concentration and performance impairing effects. Concentrations of parent drug and metabolite are very dependent on pattern of use as well as dose. THC concentrations typically peak during the act of smoking, while peak 11-OH THC concentrations occur approximately 9-23 minutes after the start of smoking. Concentrations of both analytes decline rapidly and are often < 5 ng/mL at 3 hours. Significant THC concentrations (7 to 18 ng/mL) are noted following even a single puff or hit of a marijuana cigarette. Peak plasma THC concentrations ranged from 46-188 ng/mL in 6 subjects after they smoked 8.8 mg THC over 10 minutes. Chronic users can have mean plasma levels of THC-COOH of 45 ng/mL, 12 hours after use; corresponding THC levels are, however, less than 1 ng/mL. Following oral administration, THC concentrations peak at 1-3 hours and are lower than after smoking. Dronabinol and THC-COOH are present in equal concentrations in plasma and concentrations peak at approximately 2-4 hours after dosing.

It is inadvisable to try and predict effects based on blood THC concentrations alone, and currently impossible to predict specific effects based on THC-COOH concentrations. It is possible for a person to be affected by marijuana use with concentrations of THC in their blood below the limit of detection of the method. Mathematical models have been developed to estimate the time of marijuana exposure within a 95% confidence interval. Knowing the elapsed time from marijuana exposure can then be used to predict impairment in concurrent cognitive and psychomotor effects based on data in the published literature.

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Also there is this, effect up to 24 hours. I agree it is NOT the norm, but we are talking where the lines are, not what is the norm.

Performance Effects: The short term effects of marijuana use include problems with memory and learning, distorted perception, difficultly in thinking and problem-solving, and loss of coordination. Heavy users may have increased difficulty sustaining attention, shifting attention to meet the demands of changes in the environment, and in registering, processing and using information. In general, laboratory performance studies indicate that sensory functions are not highly impaired, but perceptual functions are significantly affected. The ability to concentrate and maintain attention are decreased during marijuana use, and impairment of hand-eye coordination is dose-related over a wide range of dosages.Impairment in retention time and tracking, subjective sleepiness, distortion of time and distance, vigilance, and loss of coordination in divided attention tasks have been reported. Note however, that subjects can often “pull themselves together” to concentrate on simple tasks for brief periods of time. Significant performance impairments are usually observed for at least 1-2 hours following marijuana use, and residual effects have been reported up to 24 hours.

KURTje

Like so many of the majority posting here it is plain to see the people want it legal. Put this to a vote. I don't use it either.

Contango

Re: "Put this to a vote."

Marijuana use, cultivation, sales, etc. remains against international & fed law.

All the Obama admin. has done in the case of CO & WA is 'look the other way.'

Not to say that the next admin. won't re-enforce the laws.

Contango

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looking around

I have no problem with extracts from the plant being used for medical purposes and provided as a controlled drug, however the idea of legalizing the use of marijuana as a recreational substance I am against. Most of what has happened thus far in other states regarding medical use has been a smoke screen (no pun intended) to allow recreational users to obtain fraudulent prescriptions. I would assume that the fraudulent consumption of product by these people have caused shortages and higher costs to the people whom the new regulations were to help.

looking around

I might add also that the fine line between actual medical use and recreational use in these markets have thrown up red flags for enforcement that could lead to reversals of previous laws allowing for the use and distribution. As pointed out it is still not legal by federal law.

Donegan

Legalize it. We see the failed effects of the war on drugs everyday through our taxes. Besides that the government has already sided with the drug cartels by selling them weapons and working with them.http://rt.com/usa/sinaloa-drug-c...
So in effect YOUR tax money is going to support a drug enforcement agency that makes drug deals with Cartels.

ohiobuzzard

Is tobacco illegal? Is alcohol illegal? These are on the same level as pot. The laws we have to ban pot are pretty much pointless. It's similar to prohibition. The amount of tax dollars spent trying to investigate, charge, try, and then incarcerate is outrageous. This is a waste of time and resources. If an adult wants to put such things into their body, let them. Take that $ and spend on education or healthcare. In addition put a tax on it. More money for various programs.

Ned Mandingo

The deadliest drug in the world is alcohol. Second is tobacco, and for some reason they are both legal.

holysee

"Narcotics police are an enormous, corrupt international bureaucracy ... and now fund a coterie of researchers who provide them with 'scientific support' ... fanatics who distort the legitimate research of others. ... The anti-marijuana campaign is a cancerous tissue of lies, undermining law enforcement, aggravating the drug problem, depriving the sick of needed help, and suckering well-intentioned conservatives and countless frightened parents."
-- William F. Buckley,
Let's concentrate on real problems, not ones that are contrived.