Nov 6, 2013

What is welfare fraud?

What constitutes welfare fraud? Debra via email

Erie County Job and Family Services executive director Karen Balconi Ghezzi provided the following response:

"Fraud, of any kind, starts with a false representation of a fact, either present or past, that leads another party to rely on that fact(s) to the damage of that party or other parties. Welfare fraud, more specifically, is based on an individual knowingly putting forth false information either to gain a benefit to which they are not entitled and/or to misuse a benefit once it's acquired, such as selling food stamps."

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Comments

Mommabear713

Ok, so knowing this... and knowing that someone in Ottawa county is committing welfare fraud... Well, would it be considered welfare fraud if the mother of a child claims she isn't receiving her $400 a month in child support so that she could get her sons daycare paid for by the state??? But the people who know it can't report it because they work for the facility and will get fired???

meowmix

If YOU KNOW IT, why don't you pick up the phone and call to report it??? You are allowed to remain anonymous.

Mommabear713

Because I do not have all of the mom and child's info. Trust me, if I knew every thing I needed to do so, I would.

Pterocarya frax...

SR...stirring the pot.

Ms Balconi Ghezzi should have mentioned that more welfare fraud is committed by doctors and medical device companies, etc., by overbilling and false billing, than is committed by "welfare queens".

starryeyes83

I used to work with a girl ( she bragged about it in the breakroom ) She lived somewhere in Sandusky county. Who kept having her boyfriend move in and out when SHE knew in advance that she was having a home inspection.

Yep, that's right, they would give her notice. That is the same thing as fraud.

IN order to report it, you pretty much have to know everyone's date of birth and SS numbers. The State of Ohio expects a little too much information from say just a co-worker. That's why a lot of them get by with it. They need to make it easier to report.

pptrsha

don't waste your time. I have several tenants on metro when I catch them moving people in I photograph them metro does an inspection and when they have all the proof they need, guess what!!! they say there is nothing they can do about it anyway so why bother!!!

Erie County Resident

To Ghezzi,
Just why does your department do NOTHING after somebody is reported repeatedly?
Oh by the way the last 2 times I reported the same person for something you guys told the person WHO reported them.
Thanks for nothing.

Erie County Resident

Double

A Young Adult's...

People abusing the system definitely irks me. However, I think one of the major problems in our country is people spend entirely too much time worrying about what others are doing. If you have time to snap pictures of other people moving, for example, you need a hobby. That being said, there needs to be a better way for L.E. To identify welfare fraud. It's their job, not rogue citizens who feel better about themselves for calling out a welfare recipient for playing a dumb and broken system.

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JD

This is a wise coment. If you see someone comitting a crime lets say steal an old womans pocketbook I would be wrong to report it it is job of the police I need to not get in others bizz. And go home and collect stamps

A Young Adult's...

You do not seem very wise. You compare welfare fraud to stealing from a senior citizen.

By the way, you assumed (incorrectly, might I add) that I am on food stamps? I leave you with this note: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone (in this case, I'm referring to you JD).

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JD

First when I put go home and collect stamps I was implying postage stamps as in the hobbie that you said I needed instead of getting in others bizz. If you just assumed I was talking food stamps you were way off course. Then stealing is stealing it does not make any diff. who it is from. If I witnes a crime I will act in what ever way is appropriate

grumpy

One is stealing from an individual and the other is stealing from society. Both are "stealing", and both are against societies laws. Do you think one is OK while the other isn't? I don't want to be accused of assuming what you believe, although, from reaqding your previos post you seem to think one has little wrong with doing it. Which is "worse"? Both are against societies laws. One of the crimes, has the rate falling, while the other the rate is climbing.

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JD

Thank you someone who gets it

A Young Adult's...

One of the crimes is obvious to plain sight, while the other is not. Very stark contrast.

A Young Adult's...

One of the crimes is obvious to plain sight, while the other is not. Very stark contrast.

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JD

I will say it one more time stealing is stealing. Not, it is only stealing if I get caught. Who paid for your grade school? Thanks for the apology for your misunderstanding about the stamps!

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JD

First when I put go home and collect stamps I was implying postage stamps as in the hobbie that you said I needed instead of getting in others bizz. If you just assumed I was talking food stamps you were way off course. Then stealing is stealing it does not make any diff. who it is from. If I witnes a crime I will act in what ever way is appropriate

A Young Adult's...

Side note: it always baffles me when "know-it-alls" like JD automatically assume that my opinion on this matter must mean that I "collect stamps." I am a tax-paying, productive member of society at 25 years old who hasn't collected a dime of government assistance in my life. Why isn't it merely acceptable that my opinion differs from yours?

kURTje

Okay A Y , who paid for your schooling?

A Young Adult's...

My parents, myself, and student loans. No grant money.

eriemom

Young person: Were your students loans Perkins subsidized or unsubsidized? Did you attend a state college or public K-12? Do you drink milk or eat products made from corn? Do you buy gasoline?

Informed

There are Stafford loans as well.

A Young Adult's...

My student loans are unsubsidized, and very minimal amounts. My parents helped quite a bit and I contributed quite a bit through money earned in HS and during college. I attended a private school, but yes I eat corn and drink milk and purchase gas. You got me there. While missing my point completely, apparently. Why the need to pick through my credentials and ignore the true meaning of my post?

The Bizness

You had a good point to start but these crazy people on here that are yelling about "Their tax money" going to this and that are just going to twist words around without ever looking at what you are trying to say.

From one young adult to another, stay strong my friend, and fight the good fight.

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JD

Well when you make statements like some crimes are no big deal and that you dont take any government money at all it will open the door

SamAdams

Whether it's somebody stealing your purse, or somebody stealing your tax dollars, you've still lost your money with ZERO return for you. Theft is a crime, and certain KINDS of theft are apparently not worth the bother for various and sundry government agencies.

Former neighbors of mine were both on FULL disability. Food stamps, metro, disability payments -- the works. And yet both of them were fully mobile. I regularly saw both of them carrying boxes, carrying furniture, mowing the grass (although not anywhere near often enough), etc. I ALSO regularly saw both of them drinking -- plenty of money for booze (and, lest you ask, it was usually the good stuff)! They had a couple of computers and high speed Internet. They had both a Wii and an XBox for the kiddies.

Now, I don't argue that some people are, indeed, disabled. But these two? Nope. Now, maybe he couldn't work heavy construction, or she couldn't be on her feet all day. But don't tell me neither of them could do ANYthing productive! How do people like this pass their FIRST home visit let alone any subsequent visits? And how is it that they buy all of these goodies, and you and I either have to WORK for them or go without?

A Young Adult, however you paid for your schooling, you're paying your loans back (at least I hope you are!), and your parents voluntarily contributed (as opposed to you stealing their nest egg). You WORKED to contribute. I have zero argument with you on any of those things, and in fact would offer my congratulations on completing school and getting a job. But would you expect me to say the same thing if you'd mugged people for cash, or if you'd deliberately charged your credit cards to the max and then declared bankruptcy? Do you think I'd be remotely impressed with you if you'd gone to school for free (poverty, ethnicity, scholarship, whatever) and then sat on your butt in your Mom and Dad's basement? And if you DON'T expect my congratulations for things like that, aren't you acknowledging that others who commit the same sort of theft are ALSO leeches on society and thieves who steal not just from YOU (and me), but from those who actually NEED assistance?

queenjhb

Young Adult, people need help, no problem, that's what it is for, not to be abused ,and abused it is.

Centauri

There will be welfare fraud by some while those who really need it cannot receive any benefits. The system is broken. Many of those receiving welfare are fully able to work. Local governments cut back on services because of lack of funds.

Some of these welfare clients could provide community service such as cleaning up parks, helping seniors and working along side public workers.

What about corporate welfare and welfare for the rich? The bail out of Wall Street and the banks provided extra money for bonuses worth millions to some of the CEOs and higher ups.

On the local levels around Sandusky, Ohio, there was free welfare money for ferry boat companies and free money to clean up old factory sites. The Apex property is a good example. Where is the outrage from the people?

Some rich people get more welfare for the rich and become richer. What about those who are disabled or lacked money to clean up their properties? Send in the local government employees to cut weeds or grass and put additional taxes onto their property tax.

How about that company in Sandusky, Ohio that made those artificial rocks? The bank took over the company, put a big hole in the roof, allowed useful chemicals that could be resold to freeze. Then the bank goes to court, goes after the owner who died years earlier and goes after his estate.

Where is the outrage from the people? The rich are laughing all the way to the bank.

The Bizness

You raise some good points, but the grants the ferry boat company got, and monies that go towards razing abandoned industrial sites is not a bad use of tax payer dollars to me. That is my opinion, and I can see how you would disagree so I am not trying to argue with you about it.

Some people like seeing tax dollars being put back towards making a piece of land usable again, or towards a company being able to offer better transportation services.

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