Aug 15, 2013

What's next for Perkins Schools?

After a majority of voters rejected the Perkins Schools levy last week, what will the district do now? Jenna in Perkins Township

For the third time this year, Perkins Schools will try to secure new funding from township taxpayers in November. 

A fall ballot issue directly results from district residents rejecting an issue asking for a larger chunk of property taxes earlier this month. Soon after this, school board members agreed to place a 10-year, 6.73-mill emergency operating levy on the November ballot.

If approved in November, the levy will generate about $2.8 million a year, stabilizing the district's deficit budget and possibly restoring some of $2 million in cuts implemented this summer. 

The owner of a $100,000 home would end up paying an additional $236 a year, or a total annual payment of $1,234, up from the $998 this person currently pays.

The district is poised to spend all of its reserve cash at the end of the upcoming school year, with a deficit of about $2.2 million and a budget of about $23 million going into the following school year.

Among the fallout from the levy's failure: Students must now pay $730 to play one sport.

Read Friday's Mailbag to find out how much Perkins Schools spent on putting an issue on the August ballot.

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Comments

fifteenthgreen

You forgot about the dismantling of the entire school district. This was to take place starting on August 7th? Are you sure we'll make it to the November ballot before the walls come tumbling down? Also, how many homes are valued at the $100,000 mark? Why is it that figure is used so often? Because it's sounds low and favorable? In addition, the "reserve cash" was used for a 1.7 million dollar stadium contribution and was part of the millage move, among other misappropriations.
We can only hope those low test scores and ODE ratings improve first!!!

Eph 2 8-10

There are quite a number of homes over $100K....upwards of $400-500K in Perkins Twp.

fifteenthgreen

Right. How much will they pay?

fifteenthgreen

Need Bherrle on this one! I went to Perkins and took their "effective" math classes.

Bherrle

15th,

In response to your comments "How much will a $400,000 or $500,000 home pay? We need Centauri on this one!"

No you don't need Centauri. You only need a calculator and basic math skills. If a $100,000 home will pay an additional $236 per year, then a $500,000 home will pay an additional $236 X 5 = $1,180 per year.

VOTENO

Do all the math you want! Your levy will never pass! NOOOOOOO VEMBER!

Bherrle

VoteNO,

15th seemed to need help with the math. Can you offer some specific solutions? Very specific solutions to all the issues?

VOTENO

Here you go. Vote NO in NOvember and vote the current board members up for re-election, out. Replace with anyone running besides Bennett. New board move inside millage money back and fire Gunner. Problem solved. Also, all parents refuse to pay any fees Gunner and the board came up with.

Bherrle

VoteNO,

If you think that it is it, then I fear you are doomed to always be angry at the school district.

I'm not looking for a paragraph. The problems are much deeper than that. Why aren't you running for the board?

fifteenthgreen

Read this: http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

St Marys seems to know how to get it done. Do you think we are above them? Careful how you answer, Bherrle. Many live in the district and are voters!

Bherrle

15th,

In response to your post "Read this: http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

St Marys seems to know how to get it done. Do you think we are above them? Careful how you answer, Bherrle. Many live in the district and are voters!"

I previously read that article. It mentions nothing about the costs of those renovations, nor the conditions or issues that existed prior to the renovations. Did those issues and conditions compare to those that exist in our buildings?

I'm not sure why you feel the need to try to pit Perkins against SCC. Do I think we are above them? No.

My feelings on what I think our school district should be doing are based on the issues that exist in our district. Furthermore, we are a publicly funded school, SCC is privately funded.

VOTENO

D O U C H E

fifteenthgreen

Bherrle - The only math I need to know is the final vote count and you seem to continually be on the short end. They need new people on this campaign that truly know how to reach the people of this community or you'll keep coming up short!

fifteenthgreen

http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/...

District OH Rank Rating 11-12 10-11 Per.Ind Value Low Inc.
Edison Local Erie 247 A A 100.8 Met 33%
Huron City Erie 124 A A 103.7 Met 30%
Margaretta Erie 412 B A 97.6 Met 37%
Perkins Local Erie 391 B B 98 Below 33%
Vermilion Local Erie 371 A B 98.4 Met 41%
Port Clinton Ottawa 430 B B 97.2 Met 47%
Put-In-Bay Ottawa 21 A A 108.7 Met n/a
Danbury Local Ottawa 241 A A 101 Met 45%
Oak Harbor Ottawa 240 A+ A 101 Above 34%
Norwalk City Huron 332 B A 99.3 Met 49%
Sandusky City Erie 585 C C 86.5 Met 78%

Ohio gives public schools and districts one of six ratings. The state does not award schools letter grades, but the official ratings can be roughly translated as follows:

Excellent With Distinction = A+
Excellent = A
Effective = B
Continuous Improvement = C
Academic Watch = D
Academic Emergency = F

Those grades are based on:
The percentage of students passing state tests;
How well students score on state tests;
For elementary and middle schools, a calculation showing how much progress students made in a particular school year;
Attendance rates;
High school graduation rates; and
Whether or not the school or district meets federal standards. (Those federal standards are called Adequate Yearly Progress and include reading and math test passing rates and test participation, attendance and graduation rates.)

Bherrle

15th,

You seem to enjoy stirring the pot by making over the top comments. I hope I am wrong. You continue to reference dismantling of the school district. No one, except for you and some others who seem to have a vendetta against the current administration, has said that the district would be dismantled immediately. You continue to to make that comment, but they are your words, not Dr. Gunner's. The comment you are referring to was made to illustrate that the district Perkins has become, in terms of it's overall curriculum and educational experience, would begin to decline. That has now become a reality. The decline has begun.

You continue to make light of the conditions of the facilities. I.E. - "the walls come tumbling down." No one has said that will happen, save for you. The administration, and many parents of current our former students, are concerned about the long-term viability & safety of these buildings. You have turned that into the "building is falling down."

You obviously feel that you know more than the several building and construction experts that have inspected these buildings during the last few years, who have said that the best course of action is to tear down and build new. So, please, go thru all of those reports, item by item, and tell us,want do you know that they don't?

Please, give us a specific renovation plan that addresses all of the long term health and safety issues that exist, item by item, with specific costs.

I have further information to share about the stadium, however that will have to wait till tomorrow evening or Saturday.

VOTENO

Vote NO in NOvember!

fifteenthgreen

The decline is in the scores and state ranking. Horrible! "dismantled" were his words and are on video by the SR. Renovation plan: leave it alone for now! Hey, I thought this had nothing to do with buildings, flip flopper!

fifteenthgreen

Here is a brief explanation of the Value-Added Measure.
http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/...
Here is a brief overview of how Perkins has scored on the ODE District Report cards from the previous ODE link.

Furry
08-09 Effectiive
09-10 Excellent
10-11 Effective
11-12 Effective
Meadowlawn
08-09 Effective
09-10 Excellent w/Distinction
10-11 Effective
11-12 Effective
Briar
08-09 Excellent
09-10 Effective
10-11 Effective
11-12 Effective
HS
08-09 Excellent
09-10 Excellent
10-11 Excellent
11-12 Excellent

District (with additional years)
03-04 Effective
04-05 Effective
05-06 Continuous Improvement
06-07 Continuous Improvement
07-08 Effective
08-09 Effective
09-10 Excellent
10-11 Effective
11-12 Effective

Ohio gives public schools and districts one of six ratings. The state does not award schools letter grades, but the official ratings can be roughly translated as follows:

Excellent With Distinction = A+
Excellent = A
Effective = B
Continuous Improvement = C
Academic Watch = D
Academic Emergency = F

Those grades are based on:
The percentage of students passing state tests;
How well students score on state tests;
For elementary and middle schools, a calculation showing how much progress students made in a particular school year;
Attendance rates;
High school graduation rates; and
Whether or not the school or district meets federal standards. (Those federal standards are called Adequate Yearly Progress and include reading and math test passing rates and test participation, attendance and graduation rates.)

sandtown born a...

Disguise it as a operating levy then use the funds to build a new building the same ole bait and switch we have come to expect from the Perkins BOE

Cross

Register, why are you not reporting about the 5 million of operating funds that Perkins moved to improvements against the wishes of their voters who have consistently voted against a new campus? The budget woes Perkins has is more from their own millage moves. Please report the facts!

Sandusksquach

Gunner for Commisoner!

The General

Jimmy Ego aka Raoul Duke where r u cup cake?

VOTENO

VOTE NO IN NOVEMBER!

VOTENO

NO in NOvember!

VOTENO

NOvember!

GARY1945

The $730 pay to play is only for as long as that child is playing sports and is in school. The amount that you are taxed will be forever.

Pirate Mom

The levy is for 10 years, as the article states.

fifteenthgreen

Ten years too long!

GARY1945

10 years right have you ever seen a levy only last as long as it says? they always come back with one equal if not more.

man4451

Does it say ' only homes over the 100,000 will pay taxes?

I think sschool taxes of any kind should be once every 4 years. NOT 4 times a year.

Lissa4u

I still say if all the parents of all the children who want to play sports say no to paying the $750, they school will change the pay to play amount. The school board certainly doesn't want to look foolish sitting there with their shiny new stadium and no team to play in it. It would just take ALL the parents to say no.

fifteenthgreen

Happened in Medina, OH and it worked. They dropped the fees down to a reasonable amount after a 36% drop in sports and club enrollment.

Bherrle

Yeah, so that then all the Vote NO'ers could accuse the parents of holding our kids hostage, like they claim the administration is!

Why is it that those same people can boast proudly that they are moving their kids out of the district, but they are not using their kids as pawns? I've found this to be an interesting double standard.

underthebridge

In answer to your question, I think it has to do with the intention of their decision which is something neither you or I can ascertain. If a parent decides to move their child from the district to prove a point or keep their child in the district to prove a point, I think they might be using their children as pawns. Some parents may honestly believe it is in their child's best interest and the family's best financial interest to move their child from the district. I don't see it as a double standard at all.

Bherrle

Bridge,

I totally agree with you. My comments were directed at those who opposed the levy, and within 24 hours of election/the levy failing, were saying they were pulling their students.

They won the election, got what they wanted, and immediately started threatening to pull their kids.

That is what I am referring to.

What you describe is very valid.

VOTENO

Did Gunner move here yet?

registerer

Lissa..this is a good thought!

queenjhb

Yeah ,has Gunner found a home yet? Who's paying to move him here? When we vote NO in NOvember[ good one voteno] will it be on the ballot again in Spring 2014?

local man

Pay to Play should be changed to pay to get a uniform, perkins had kids riding the bench on the freshman and jv teams, I can't imagine parents paying the fee to have the kid ride the bench on the varsity.

God Of Thunder

Maybe the school board will pay for Gunner's move here.

This whole situation is very upsetting.. Gunner, who no one can trust, keeps pushing this levy, and moving funds, and still doesn't live here to pay the taxes he wants to raise.

A school board who has strings attached to themselves so Gunner can play Geppetto with them and make them think what he thinks...

We need a clean sweep of the nitwits who run our school system before I ever agree to voluntarily give up another penny to run their scam..

VOTE NO IN NOVEMBER!!!!

Bherrle

Yet, amazingly GOT, only one name of someone who I would consider opposed the levy appears on the ballot for the November BOE elections.

All of this criticism and complaining, and only one person who opposed the levy is running??

How do any of you expect anything to change?

fifteenthgreen

Two wouldn't have been enough, anyway. One at a time if it takes years!!! Hey, what happened to Printy? Why did he leave at such a difficult time for the district...or does he know something?

God Of Thunder

I expect to change things by continuing to vote NO in every election that they want to spend money on until Gunner and his puppets are gone.. They have done nothing but drag our school system down and divide the community... If that's what you call role models, then I feel bad for you.

fifteenthgreen

How many teachers don't live in the district? Good point G.O.T.

VOTENO

NOvember!

VOTENO

NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOVEMBER!!!!!!!!!!!

VOTENO

NOOOOOOOOOOvember!

beesknees

According to the property tax estimator included on the Erie County Auditor web site, an owner of a $100,000 residential property would pay an additional $212 property tax per year (the SR says $236; this figure appears to be associated with $100,000 commercial property). The owner of a $200,000, $300,000, and $400,000 residential property would pay an additional $424, $636, and $848, respectively.

I am tired of the game of attempting to trivialize the requested tax increase. Some folks out in taxpayer land are working hard to survive financially and/or are trying to save for future financial burdens such as helping finance a child’s college education. What would be the effect of the requested tax increase in terms of future value? Here is one way to look at it. The tax increase would decrease taxpayer savings available in 10 years. What is the bite? Not pocket change in my mind! Suppose the forgone investments over the 10 years could have earned 6% per year. Savings decline by taxpayer home value:

Home Value/ Savings decrease
$100,000/ $2,794
$200,000/ $5,589
$300,000/ $8,383
$400,000/ $11,177

fifteenthgreen

Now these figures are more realistic. I'm tired of hearing the same $100,000 figure being used. Thanks.

Bherrle

Then become a writer for the SR 15th.

fifteenthgreen

How many teachers don't live in the district, Bherrle?

Bherrle

15th,

I don't know, and I don't see the relevance of how many teachers live in the district. Why would you want to limit the talent pool to only those who live inside the district?

If that is a statistic that interests you, please feel free to research it. I would suggest not just looking at Perkins, but districts across the state. I think you'll find that there are many teachers who don't live in the district in which they teach.

Tribester

Not sure why I even bother at this point, but here's how it is folks.
This levy will be on the ballot every November, February, May, and August FOREVER until one finally passes whether Gunner and the board is still here or not. Eventually they will enter fiscal emergency like Huron did about eight years ago, the state will take over, probably get rid of all sports/extracurriculars altogether, and demand the community pass a levy or consolidate the district into Sandusky, at which time we will all pay Sandusky millage and as a result all our property taxes will skyrocket. Huron finally passed their levy under state duress, will Perkins let it get that far as well, or will sanity prevail. I'm not optimistic based on the track record of prior levy attempts, but sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you realize all that was lost. We're not there yet, but we are well on our way to becoming a shadow of what Perkins used to be.

VOTENO

When the State took over Huron, did they get rid of all sports/extracurriculars? I don't remember that happening. We've had enough of the scare tactics. The voters see through that garbage. Hopefully the state does come in and take over. Clean house and move the inside millage money back. Then this false fiscal emergency garbage will go away with Gunner and his board!

BRING ON THE STATE!

NOOOOOOOO VEMBER!

fifteenthgreen

No it won't, tribester. They don't need to keep going back to the polls. They're able to pay the bills now. If not, cut some more programs....like free laptops! Perkins already is a shadow of itself. Look at the deteriorating test scores and ratings. Quit using the word "probably" in reference to what the state will do.

Informed

The state did not completely take over Huron---it would have had they not passed a levy. However, so many things were cut that they have never bounced back to what they were before. Had it not passed, everything would have been cut to the bare minimum, which was the next step. Most of this happpened because of a mistaken projection, nothing near the controversy Perkins is experiencing.

VOTENO

According to Gunner, our district will be dismantled if the levy failed in August. I'm still waiting for that to happen.

fifteenthgreen

...and their test scores and state ranking are still much better than Perkins....by far, informed! Kudos to them for making it work with less! Now it's our turn. Hey, what's the condition of their school buildings?

Informed

Well, first of all, Huron's taxes are higher, so the schools get more money than in Perkins. Secondly, while it's true on the surface that test scores and state rankings are good, they could be so much better if so many of the things that were cut were brought back. People in this area seem satisfied with mediocrity.

fifteenthgreen

They don't get that much more and their property values are higher....and their schools are just as old. Also, the mediocrity in scores and ratings at Perkins began well before the cuts! The cuts wouldn't have been necessary had the funds for those programs and teachers been used for what they were intended for.

Informed

I wasn't referring to mediocrity just at Perkins. All the schools and most of the people in this are satisfied with mediocrity. I'm not referring to stupid test scores and state rankings. Meet top kids from schools in other states and hear what those schools offer--you'd be amazed at the opportunities for students and the atmosphere that encourages students to excel. It just doesn't exist anywhere around here.

booster

My address is not City of Sandusky but my post office is. Today in the mail I recieved a promotional piece from Sandusky City Schools highlighting their programs and encouraging "enroll now!"
I think the idea of combined schools is not that far away. Could this be part of the planned "dismantling"?

As pointed out by another...I am not sure that this combining will really be cheaper!

VOTENO

Well, they don't have Gunner and our board. That's a plus.

fifteenthgreen

A+

Bherrle

But they have a much higher millage, which is what our millage would become if Perkins and Sandusky merged. You want Sandusky's millage?

VOTENO

Remove Gunner and current board and move inside millage back! NO in NOvember!

Bherrle

You are not responding to my question, which tells me you don't want to acknowledge that I am right.

Easier to district from the facts with the negative campaign.

VOTENO

No, I just don't want to acknowledge your same old pathetic Gunner talking points. Heard enough of his garbage.

fifteenthgreen

The additional millage won't cost us anything if the levies continue to fail. Find a way to convince us that it should pass, Bherrle.

Nemesis

Those flyers went to people all over the area including in Huron.

Nemesis

duplicate.

Nemesis

duplicate

Gardenman

You see prices rising all around you. Food is higher at the store, Erie County commissioners increasing the county sales tax, State of Ohio is incrwasing the state sales tax, the 10% and 2% reductions on newly voted levies is ending, the Homstead Exemption is gone for new applicants, gasoline is up at the pump from a year ago, Buckeye Cablevision just incrased there fees, my family doctor just increased his office charges, dentist just increased his charges, plumber increased his hourly rate, Mathews Ford has increased their hourly labor charge on repairs, etc etc and the list goes on and on.

I got no cost of living increase in my retirement this year and will not for 24 months from the last one. Those increased costs have to be paid by me from somewhere and that means cutting back. There is no way I am going to increase my property taxes by voting for this Perkins School levy. Frankly I should be voting against any renewal levies they put on the ballot too. Don't push me Perkins Schools or I will start doing that too. !!!

The additional money for Perkins Schools is simply just not in my budget !!!!! AND I get really sore when a parent of a Perkins Pirate appears at my door encouraging me to pay more school taxes so they do not have to pay for their kid to play football, basketball, you name it. To me that is the highest of insult !!! I am ready to suggest their kid get rid of the car they drive 1/2 mile to school and actually walk to school and get a job in the summer rather than sitting around the house like they were retired at 16 years old.

West 99

Any low income family with children on free lunch will not pay the "PAY TO PLAY FEE" Another joke of the 500 Sandusky open enrolled students who will not pay these fees. How sweet it is being a Perkins Tax Payer.

Tribester

Not true...free lunch kids have to pay to play as well.

fifteenthgreen

Wrong!

VOTENO

NOOOOOOOOOOO VEMBER!

West 99

Tribester- better look into it!!!

The Answer Person

Why not quit whining for money and do the LOGICAL thing and COMBINE the systems? The whole thing is utterly petty, racistly judgemental, selfish and stupid.

44870 South

Agree...they need to cut the fat at the top and merge the districts into one efficiently run school system. Pay Sanders $150K to run it all! Get rid of all the assistants and their assistants sucking $$$$ from both the districts with their big salaries. There's a big chunk of change right their you'll save a each year...Use that money hire back some teachers!

lifetimeresident

@ The Answer Person
I have to agree. We have thugs and drugies at Perkins to. It would be nice for both schools to combine. They could mingle and make new friends. We act like our school is all high and mighty. Not anymore. I say combine the two.

fifteenthgreen

Who Perkins? Merge? No way. Sandusky's buildings are too old for our liking. We have to have the best of the best even though we're not producing in the classroom!

be for real

I have an idea for the school,stop Paying the supers so much money for doing nothing!!!!!!!

SmokingGunn

A prefect formula to save the schools and another perfect formula to bankrupt a homeowner...

SmokingGunn

A prefect formula to save the schools and another perfect formula to bankrupt a homeowner...

oldpirate

So you want to merge with Sandusky? Supt. 179,0000 3 asiststants 115,000 each. Many more Admin. positions. All for a school approx. the same size or slightly larger than Perkins and pay 42 mils. This sounds cheaper to me.

Common Sense

Why do many, if not all, of those who want us to vote no get this straight?
1. Inside millage can not be moved back. The initial move was made because schools will need to be built in the future. If the school were to take the standard route of financing with a 30-yr. bond, then it would be thirty years until another building could be replaced. With asbestos present in all buildings, with inadequate electrical circuitry, and aging boilers, the cost of renovation is much more than it is to build a new one. You can only fix it so long before the need to re-do is necessary.
2. Two million dollars ($2,000,000.00)has been taken from the budget by the state. Many of us have suffered a reduction in our wages and some have even lost their jobs. I'm not for anyone losing their home. What I would hope for some of the commentors would do is look at their comments and ask themselves if their means justigies their end? Some comments, both pro and con, reflect a sense of childish behavior.

fifteenthgreen

I know it can't be moved back and the schools are fine. Was just in the high school yesterday and it looks great all shined up. Maintenance does a good job every year getting the facilities in good shape. No, things can continually be fixed. People use old things over and over every day. More nostalgic that way. If asbestos is present, why hasn't it been removed properly? Why are the children still subject to this risk? How long has it been there? Is this suddenly a new issue or a bullet point?

Also, 1.7 million that the district contributed to the stadium and the 3.5 million dollar design loan could have gone a long way towards repairing electrical issues, boilers, asbestos removal, etc... That's 5.2 million dollars! What are our priorities? The safety of the students and teachers, or an athletic field and a dream.

Not sure what you're talking about on number two.

44870 South

I also was in Perkins High School the other day and it looks really nice. They just need to make necessary improvements and preserve the existing buildings, like many districts have had to do. Do them in order of priority. Not everything has to be done at one time. For example, BLEACHERS were a priority, not ripping up the whole damn field, "dismantling" the stadium and building a brand new one! I am still in disbelief over that...1.7 million = how many teachers' jobs???

Common Sense

The schools are not fine. The facilities look to be in good shape because they are spotless. However, the maintenance crew spends its time after school inspecting for areas of the ceiling where students have punctured and exposed asbestos. It is a daily maintenance to seal off these blemishes before they become a health risk. I agree with using old things over and over until they become hazardous to the health of either myself or others. Asbestos has not been removed properly because this community has not addressed the rising costs of maintenance. That's why this levy is called an "operational levy". The levy will allow us to operate and to maintain the problems that asbestos poses to our students. If you look at the age of the school buildings, you will understand that asbestos was acceptable in construction at that time. Prolonged asbestos exposure of any sort could affect the health of our future adults similar to the Clyde cancer cluster.
The 1.7 million that the district contributed to the stadium was the figure necessary for the cost of renovation that the school board agreed to provide since the renovations were necessary for the safety of the spectators as well as the widening of the track. The Athletic and Band Boosters believed that, with community support, they could do a little better. Therefore, anything beyond renovation costs was funded with community support. As for the 3.5 million dollar design loan, I think (but am not certain) that the loan would have been paid for with the money that the government was offering to schools everywhere to bring their facilities into the 21st century. When you vote no on an operational levy, you then let you fellow citizens know that you do not care about the safety of its students or its teachers, in most cases.
As for my second point, the point is that the schools had 2 million dollars of state funding pulled from our district. Yet, there are those who express that 1) the board is not listening to them (there are, at a minimum, two factions in the levy situation); 2) Gunner needs to live in the district (some of ouor previous superintendents lived in the district and it did not equate with success); or3) move the millage back (you have stated that you know it can not be moved back). I can feel empathy for the numbers (very large) of residents that are on fixed incomes, have reduced wages, or lost their jobs. However, when it comes to some of the reasoning stated on this forum for voting yes or no, it seems to reflect ssome residents as selfish or childish behavior.
I hope this helped to clear up my posting.

Rosa

You cannot compare the Clyde cancer cluster to anything going on in the schools, that is ridiculous. You should be ashamed relating any of these issues to the horrific conditions of the people in Clyde who have had to deal with cancer... What people won't say to get what they want!!! DISGUSTING.

Common Sense

Rosa,
The comparison was in reference to the time it took to realize that the victims of the Clyde cancer cluster were subjected trough their exposure to the park just as many people do not experience symptoms of asbestos poisoning until later. It had nothing to do with saying that the children and teachers will get sick. It was that, in the future, we may experience something similar.
I am not ashamed to relate the school exposure matter to what has happened in Clyde. Maybe you should look beyond the immediate and you might not find this so disgusting.

Rosa

Asbestos was used everywhere years ago and I believe the Margaretta schools hired a contractor to remove it...a lot less expensive than building a new school.

fifteenthgreen

Common Sense -

So by passing this levy, you're saying the districts finances are set for the next ten years to include a new school, operations, salaries and raises, etc... That's it. Vote this one in and we're set for the next decade?

Common Sense

I can not say this for sure. The state could finally find a "constitutional" method of school funding (as is in our State constitution). Unfunded mandates (both state and feds are known for this tactic)are also know to cost each and every school district. I am not saying this will cover everything. Keep in mind that the option of enrollment kept us off the ballot for five years.
Side note: Both Huron and Perkins were one of the last schools in the area to accept open enrollment. When Perkins opened their doors, Dr. Gunner was the only superintendent to state that this was for income. Many were angry, but a student that is openly enrolled in a school system brings in the same amount of money as a student living in the system in a $750,000 home. That student not only brought in mmoney, but allowed us to ustilize classrooms that were not at full capacity.

True Blue

Heard thru the grapevine a family in Perkins will foot the bill for all football players. Why don't they donate their money to Perkins Schools??

Wald

If that's true, then it is truly a testament to where the priorities in Perkins lie. If one family is going to pay the fee for all the football players, then I might as well keep voting NO!

44870 South

EXACTLY.

44870 South

Well, for one they aren't making anyone pay the full amount up front, only a small percentage. So whoever was so generous, didn't have to cough up the full amount for each player.

fifteenthgreen

Perkins 2011-2012 Report Card:

http://archive.education.ohio.go...

Centauri

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/n...
"California blows $100 million building one new school, but doesn’t have enough money to open it"

http://www.businessinsider.com/r...
"This Brand New $105 Million High School In Riverside, California Is Too Broke To Hold Any Classes"

http://www.facilitiesnet.com/edu...
"New Construction vs. Renovation for Older School Facilities"

oldpirate

Vermillion starts new building, Willard new Building, Bellevue new building, Port Clinton major upgrades, Sandusky begins discussion on new facilities.I guess Perkins is totally different. If you ignore the obvious you will end up gettin bit somewhere you don't like.

Centauri

"I guess Perkins is totally different. If you ignore the obvious you will end up gettin bit somewhere you don't like."

There is nothing wrong with being different. As for ignoring the obvious, I don't. It is very obvious that the Erie County (Ohio) Auditor's office is not being fair to many taxpayers in the Perkins Local SD and all of Erie County.

Many of the pro-levy people get deep discounts in taxes due to very low property valuations. I can give examples if you want to see some property values. In one case, a person didn't get deeper discounts from the county board of revision so he filed an appeal with the Ohio Tax Department.

http://www.bta.ohio.gov/CaseSear...

One letter to the editor pro-levy writer (Sandusky Register) had her valuation drop over 25% from 2006 to present.

I can start posting these "obvious" undervalued properties if you wish oldpirate. The county auditor's online site has a "Pictometry" tab that shows an aerial view of a property from several directions and from different years. In some views, I will see improvements to the property from previous years but the improvements are not being assessed for taxes.

I have to wonder how many of the pro-levy people would vote yes if their properties were valued at the true values. If a property sells for much more than the property was valued for taxes, it tells be that the county auditor had the property values set too low.

You can compare many of the Erie County (Ohio) properties that have been sold year-to-date. Note the sales (market value) and the valuations set by the county auditor. Also note the valuations from prior years to the present. Use that Pictometry tab for aerial views for prior years.

http://tinyurl.com/lf3zwql Perkins Local SD year-to-date sales (380, 340)

http://tinyurl.com/m9f6bho Perkins Township year-to-date sales (277, 312)

http://tinyurl.com/kck79r9 Erie County year-to-date sales (2472, 2148)

Bherrle

Centauri,

Are you suggesting that there are only properties that are owned by levy supporters that are "undervalued?"

underthebridge

Does anyone remember how the Super said re: facilities that there are 3 options: 1) Keep the buildings as they are; 2) Renovate; and 3) Build New.

I think that a majority of the voting public (as evidenced by the most recent and previous levy failures) still does not buy that the buildings can't be kept as they are (with proper maintenance).

VOTENO

NOOOOOOOOOOOO VEMBER!!!!!

PyrkinsPyrate

I will be starting an official "No" organization. I will go register and do all the legal mumble jumble.
My group will be called GUNNER Get United, No Needless Excessive Requests
I was going to call my group Bherrle, for Better Helping Education (by) Refusing Repeated Luxurious Expenditures but apparently this acronym was already taken by a group on the other side of the fence. Bozos Helping Educators Relentlessly Requesting Large Expenditures.

True Blue

There are kids who will be eligible to join the National Honor Society. To join you must pay $150.00. This stinks! These kids have worked hard to achieve their grades. Mr. Gunner and his followers want things their way. They didn't get it, so they moved milage which wasn't ethical. Don't blame the voters for the mistakes of Mr. Gunner and his followers and stop taking it out on the kids for your MISTAKES!!

bao

as an fyi, the millage CAN be moved back, they just wont get the full amount for a couple years. the needed levy would be much smaller, but no new school building.

MrGadfly

I was at the football scrimmage last night. Overheard a heated discussion about all the special teachers that were let go due to the levy failure are being rehired.

So was this reduction in force just a ploy by the school to get the levy passed?

Can anyone confirm what is transpiring?

True Blue

You probably heard right. They will do and say whatever they feel will work to get their way.

Common Sense

No, it was not a ploy to get the levy passed. Dr. Gunner is working to balance a budget that had a percentage of its state funding cut by John Kasich and its Congress.
It is not only the special education teachers that experienced a "reduction in force". Two art teachers, health teachers/P.E., Music, and Computer instruction. One High School art teacher relocated to Maryland and is replaced with the art teacher from the primary building. One art teacher is without a position. The assistant band director is being requested to "volunteer" and the band boosters will work tirelessly to give him a stipend for his work (bought a house and have a brand new baby). Science teacher from the high school is without a job. Math teacher at the middle school is without a job. Special education teachers were told they would be given temporary assignments until the school could determine how many they could afford. A secretary in the administration office is no longer employed and the communication director is now a principal with a beginning wage.
The statements made prior to the levy's failure were not "threats"..they were promises.

underthebridge

Explain something to me? Why in God's green earth did Gunner and his band of BOE brothers vote to spend 1.7 million on a stadium when everyone even remotely tied to education knew that Kasich's cuts were coming? Gunner created the budget mess. He is no hero for trying to fix it.

senioritis

Kasich's cuts came about approximately one year after the renovation of the stadium. The new budget, which supported the heavy cuts, came THIS year, and it was to the surprise of many school districts whose superintendents are now scrambling to find money in the same way Gunner is in trying to keep their operational costs constant.

Common Sense

"Everyone even remotely"??????
Then, why are other area superintendents also making cuts and placing levies on the ballots in November? This district has not passed (or needed to pass a levy) in 13 years.
True story: Back in the 1950's, NDH was moving some of their workforce into the Sandusky area. After living in a rental with three children and one on the way, a worker had a beautiful home built. He and his family lived there for 6 months before they were returned to the Bristol plant. Do you think that worker would have built that house just to sell it in six months?

underthebridge

We heard the cuts from Kasich were coming years ago. Other educators told us that they were likely.

citizen

Can we get a listing of teacher's names and their positions that were terminated? Just for the record.

44870 South

Over half the teachers "laid off" have already been called back. LIES, LIES, LIES. They must really think we are all a bunch of idiots.

fifteenthgreen

"Volunteer" my a**!!!! So now the band boosters are in the business of employing people, i.e. band directors, giving them a "stipend"? The IRS know this? Are Federal, State and local taxes being taken out? Workers Comp, General Liability. Who does the director work for? Utter joke!

44870 South

You are correct. Over half the teachers "let go", have already been "brought back". It was a ploy. LIES! They think the people of Perkins are a bunch of minions that can be bullied into paying for the districts greedy and unethical fiscal decisions.

whocares

Cole for the school board

ron123rob

The following comments were presented during the public comment portion of the Perkins Board of Education at their Aug. 7th meeting at 7am and was not included in the board report in the Register:
1. Resolve immediately to change the inside millage back to operating millage effective Jan 1, 2014. This would provide approximately $2.2 million in operating funds per year. This inside millage for the Perkins Schools, approximately 5.2 mills, is the foundation of a district’s operating funds, increases with increases in property values, and was fully intended by the state constitution to be used for general operation of the schools and not permanent improvements(new building construction).
2. Resolve immediately to rehire most of the teaching and classified staff recently reduced and to reset the exorbitant activity fees to the 2012-13 levels.
3. Reassess the district’s financial status regarding operating funds with the return of the 5.2 mils of inside operating funds in 2014 and determine what additional operating millage is needed to stabilize the general fund budget. An additional 2 mills or so to be voted upon in May 2014 may be needed. If passed, it would be collected beginning in 2015. This along with the return of the 5.2 mills would approximate the 6.7 mills being requested to stabilize the general fund at the previous two elections.
4. Cancel the November levy. The community has spoken three times.
5. Next spring, look at building needs with a “comprehensive district wide building assessment committee” to come up with a new plan, and go forward from there with a building/facilities update plan.
The board was not receptive to the comments and after dialogue, the board responded that it would still be possible to reverse the inside millage in November if they should so choose. They could cancel the November ballot issue if they wished, but they could not put up a different(smaller) millage in November as no new dollar amount could be certified by the auditor in time. This was in reference to a smaller millage to supplement the 5.2 inside mills should they decide to reverse it back to operating funds.

Common Sense

Thank you for posting facts for all to see. It is appreciated.

citizen

Why did the Register not include this in their minutes?

underthebridge

Because the BOE/Treasurer sumbit the minutes not the Register. The Register reports on what was sumbitted. If the BOE/Treasurer does not include that and no one is present to verify other, it does not get submitted in the BOE generated minutes. The BOE/Treasurer get to control the information that is given to the public.

MrGadfly

Common,

Did a little more research into the conversation I heard. The "special" teachers are music, art and PE.

Those teachers that were let go are being hired back because the school administration did not follow there contractual obligations.

Now my question is, did the powers to be, know they had to hire back these teachers prior to the vote but still used this as a sales tool to pass the levy?

Or, is our school administration that incompetent, not understand the teacher contract, and present a lie to the taxpaying public?

Either way, how can you trust these people with giving them more money or moving funds to the benefit of our community ?

fifteenthgreen

I told everyone they would not get rid of the music director. Using that position as a pawn to get votes is getting old. Find a new one.

oldpirate

Staff being brought back had nothing to do with the contract. actually more students enrolled to Perkins and the additional staff was needed. The specials teachers were only reinstated to halftime status which means no benefits.

Wald

You sure that there are more students enrolled at Perkins this year, oldpirate? Source, please. I think that the threatened cuts were what many people suspected they were...lies and scare tactics.

fifteenthgreen

Band Director "Volunteer" my a**, Common Sense!!! So now the band boosters are in the business of employing people, i.e. band directors, giving them a "stipend"? The IRS know this? Are Federal, State and local taxes being taken out? Workers Comp, General Liability. Who does the director work for? Utter joke!

Common Sense

I did not say the band director, I said the assistant band director. If you want to have your questions answered, go to a board meeting and ask. What I heard was from a band parent and that makes it hearsay. Much of the same is posted here as well.
I am not certain what you are so upset about if what I posted about the "volunteer" action is true. It will not come out of your pocket, will it??

fifteenthgreen

They're essentially the same thing. They both work hand in hand. "Go to the board meeting" Why? Get my questions answered truthfully? Please! Also, why would a music teacher, or any teacher for that matter, who just bought a house and had a baby, "volunteer" their services rather than look for another job thus taking care of their family? Doesn't this seem odd to you?

Also, is he drawing unemployment?

oldpirate

It's not the evil force you make it out to be.

fifteenthgreen

No, it's a dumb one!

queenjhb

We need to vote no in November, we just feel lied to, the BOE and Gunner need to truly be accountable for this mess, until they can admit what truly THEY did, Trust is gone. C'mon ,its the right thing to do. So, no more lies, threats, deceit ,just honesty , the way back to trust, that's if they even care.

Centauri
fifteenthgreen

Beautiful!

gramafun

has anyone asked the school board to produce the monetary records over there for someone to look at? With all the businesses you have in Perkins Twp. its hard to believe that you don't have the money to run your schools without having to ask for a levy. Just wondering why they need this so badly and why you have a deficit when you shouldn't have one.

fifteenthgreen

This is your answer to why levies keep failing....job and tax revenue losses!

SR - Shuttered manufacturers

Norwalk

CVG Mayflower
Fanny Farmer
Van Dresser's

Sandusky

Philco Radio
Thakar Aluminum
Sandusky Cabinets
Scott Paper
Barr Rubber
American Crayon
G&C Foundry
Sandusky Plastics
Bechtel McLaughlin
Universal Clay
Lyman Boats
Hinde & Dauche
Ferrell Cheek
Esmond Dairy

Port Clinton

Standard Products

Huron
Pillsbury (ConAgra)

Bellevue
Armstrong Air Conditioning
Progress Plastics

Fremont
Kelsey Hayes
Epco Machines

oldpirate

15th why don't you include reduced state funding as well as unfunded federal govt. mandates. to schools.

fifteenthgreen

Ok. .......and reduced state funding as well as unfunded federal govt. mandates to schools.

The New World Czar

Let's get these days straight now- November 5th is the next levy vote and November 6th the fall sports fees due date?

Can you say "Desparate" or "Blackmail"?

VOTENO

Vote NO in NOvember!

Edwin Ison

If this "ain't" buying votes!

Pass the levy and we'll give you your money back!

Wow!

"If the November 2013 levy passes, the District will resume the $35 participation fee at the High School, and the $25 fee at the Middle School and will discontinue the fee for band/choir. Refunds for any payments in excess of $35 or $25, respectively, will be made for the sports or co-curricular activities that were paid in the fall of 2013."

Actually, it is first extortion, then bribery.

Rosa

Edwin
I totally agree with you...Total manipulation of the parents who children attend school

Centauri

How many times has the Perkins Local SD challenged property valuations?

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...
"In March, Attorney Thomas Holmes filed a complaint to the County Board of Revision on behalf of Sandusky City Schools challenging the valuation."

Is it easier for the Perkins Local SD to beg for more money from the taxpayers?

QUESTION: How many times in the past 10 years has the Perkins Local SD challenged under-valued properties in the school district? Anybody can provide the answers.

EZOB

I stated before that those in charge should have got things rolling in Columbus with our elected people (Redfern & Gardner). I'm quite sure they would have gotten support from many other school districts and they would have pressured their representatives. November is down the tubes so it is at least another six months. The ship is sinking fast, when are they going to make a distress call?

MrGadfly

Common Sense or Bherrle,

My understanding is that music, art and PE teachers have been hired back at halftime positions.

One of the two major points as reason to pass the levy was that the school would eliminate these positions if the levy failed. The levy failed but these positions were not eliminated.

I have heard that the school administration did not read the teachers contract and are being forced to rehire these teachers.

So either the administration lied to the public about the elimination of these positions or the administration is incompetent?

I wait your reply.

fifteenthgreen

They lied. They always use these positions as pawns as they strike the hearts of the voters.

Bherrle

Gadfly & 15th,

I don't agree that the answer to the question you pose is an "either or" proposition as you have laid it out, and I don't think anyone lied either. You both seem to think that running a school district is very easy in today's world, which leads me to question why neither of you aren't already employed by the district in an effort to run it better than you feel it is currently being done.

In response to your question Gadfly, the below is what I know:

At Furry - Art, Music and Physical Education was returned to half days. Kids will receive one day of instruction in each of these areas weekly. This is a reduction from two or three days previously. It also means that 1.5 teaching positions were eliminated at Furry in these areas.

At Meadowlawn: Computers, Physical Education, and an Intervention program called Study Island were recalled to 1/2 time status. Again, the students will receive one day of computers, physical education and study island weekly. This is a significant reduction from previous student contact time in these areas. Art, music or the Gifted program teachers were not recalled to Meadowlawn. At Meadowlawn, these recalls still leave 4.5 teaching positions were eliminated at Meadowlawn in the special areas.

The decision was made to bring back some of the special area teachers at the elementary buildings for the following reasons:

1. The district received about $200,000 more from the State of Ohio than expected in 2013-14 and a little over $400,000 more than expected in 2014-15.

2. The administration did not want to reduce the school day for elementary students as this would impact families in the community at the last minute.

3. The administration was unable to change language in the teacher's contract that requires teacher planning time to occur during student contact time. The original elimination of special teachers was done with the belief that planning time could be moved to before or after the school day, with the up front understanding that it would require contract language changes. In the end, those changes were unable to be made, I believe as a part of the contract negotiations.

4. Overall current enrollment is up by 102 students from the end of last year, with open enrollment being up by 29 students. Those numbers are not final, as parents could still decide to move their children from the district.

5. A Fifth grade and a kindergarten teacher where added, above last years staffing, due to the student numbers in those grades.

Back to my opinion/comments - The target is not nailed on a wall. It is constantly moving and changing. Therefore, it is very easy for anyone to sit back, and state that something was a "threat", "they aren't following thru with what they said they'd do", and the other like criticisms that are out there. The district will continue to adjust to changing circumstances and do what is right for the kids of Perkins, which is what they are tasked to do.

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