Jul 30, 2013

What are the financial particulars of Perkins Schools?

Can you obtain financial information for Perkins Schools? This would help myself and others make an educated decision for the Aug. 6 levy vote. Doug in Perkins Township.

The question sought to answer exactly how much each Perkins Schools official — including teachers, administrators, staff members, and elected school board members — makes in addition to inquiries about the athletics budget.

Perkins Schools treasurer Lisa Crescimano provided the Register with numerous documents detailing this. To view the information, click any one of the files attached.

The district is proposing a 10-year, 6.73 mill emergency levy to taxpayers a week from today. If approved, the levy would generate $2.88 million per year to fund day-to-day operations for Perkins Schools, including employee salaries and benefits.
 
If approved in a week, the levy will cost the owners of a $100,000 home an additional $206 per year. That same homeowner currently pays $998 a year in school taxes.
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Comments

sugar

Some people are WORKING, to pay all their obligations.

donutshopguy

Wald,

Yep it answered the question. It was an error by the SR.

Bherrle

DSG,

Thank you for posting that.

Perkins2060

Saw a group of non property tax paying kids going around the Township today asking folks to vote for the levy. How disgusting.

Resident51

Surely you saw Gunner in the mix? I saw the group walking down Marshall Ave. with their tshirts on.

Please remind people to vote Tuesday. Remind them (and I'll keep it simple):

1. Though these levy groups are saying the operating levy is not for a new school (and it is true), they wouldn't be in this mess if they didn't move inside millage from "operating" to permanent improvement for their grand campus. This levy is to replace what they stole from operating.

2. The tax rate is lower in Perkins than Sandusky as they say, but there is a direct correlation between property values and tax rates. Property values are higher in Perkins, thus tax rates are lower...property values are lower in Sandusky, thus tax rates are higher...to collect the same amount of money. Get it?

3. Perkins hasn't had to ask for new money in some time, true. However, it is because of growth in the township and open enrollment money, not because of the school being fiscally responsible with our tax dollars.

4. Perkins reports their schools were not safe. Our local health department disagrees.

5. The stadium was half funded by our tax dollars. The Sandusky Register reported yesterday that it was funded 100% all donations. Not true school officials!

6. Money previously used to "operate" the school is now being used to pay off a $3.5 million dollar loan for the new school's architect.

7. They will build a school as soon as this is passed. Gunner continues to meet with architects. They don't care the majority voted against it, they will do what they want.

8. They promise to wait to make this decision until after November's election of 2 new board members. Who cares, they already have 3 that support it.

9. Funny how some parents are all about "pride" and "it's for the kids" now that they have to "pay to play". While it may be cheaper for them now to pass a levy, in the long run it won't. They will want this levy to be renewed or replaced after 10 years...show me one school that doesn't. These selfish parents don't care about their neighbor or the senior citizen that this may be a hardship for.

10. This is just one levy they will be asking for. Remember they will be on the ballot again as their facility needs change (i.e. new buildings for all the schools). They do not need new buildings!

11. No one wants staff members to lose their jobs, but don't blame the voters for it. Look to Gunner at the board for their poor decisions. They have split a community.

Anyone wish to add talking points?

sugar

The Catholic schools are in buildings built in the 19th century and manage to turn out educated, well rounded students.

Bherrle

Sugar,

How were those buildings constructed in the 19th century, compared to how they are constructed today? What construction materials were used and still exist in those buildings? How much money is put into upkeep & maintenance on those buildings compared to buildings built in the 1930's thru 1970's?

Let's make sure we are comparing apples to apples.

fifteenthgreen

Are you serious? How much money & maintenance is put into those buildings? St. Marys vs. Perkins? You are truly out of touch, man with the area. I thought you said you've visited other local schools. I too take back everything I've said about you. What a joke!!!

Bherrle

I said nothing about ST. Mary's schools 15th. And I'm asking Sugar to back up the statement with fact. Me visiting a school does not tell me how much money they spend.

Sugar referenced Catholic schools built in the 1800's (19th Century). I had no idea what schools he/she was talking about. I simply asked to have the statement backed up with facts.

sugar

LMAO, what schools? There is only one Catholic campus. Money? They have virtually NO money yet somehow they make the best of it. Let's see a little belt tightening, a little make do spirit from the public sector. Always with their hands out. Or should I say a gun to the head of the taxpayer?

Centauri

I have a problem with people who avoid questions.

Earlier, I asked how much money do ticket sales to sporting events bring into the Perkins Local Schools District.

Nobody answered.

Somebody commented that their friend works for another Ohio county auditor and gave some comments about how property taxes are determined on property. I have already asked twice which Ohio county does that friend work for.

No answer.

Would you trust anybody who avoids the questions?

I have in the past asked questions to candidates running for office.

Who would you trust or elect?

The one who answers the questions or the one that avoids and does not answer the questions?

In a live question and answer session, a person only has seconds to answer. I am asking everybody and am giving hours to answer the questions.

More surprises are coming up for the people of Perkins Township, Ohio.

Stay tuned.

RMyer

The ticket sales money amount is posted on the Perkins district website. Scroll down through the questions and you will see the charts. It will also shows what the ticket money is used for. Just in case you are wondering, ticket prices are set by the SBC. Schools aren't in a position to unilaterally raise ticket prices.

Perhaps some questions go unanswered due to people taking time away from commenting. Also, most questions posted on here can be answered by looking at the already mentioned website.

Some commenters repost the same question over and over even though an answer may have already been given.

Centauri

"The ticket sales money amount is posted on the Perkins district website. Scroll down through the questions and you will see the charts. It will also shows what the ticket money is used for. Just in case you are wondering, ticket prices are set by the SBC."

Why not post a link for the Perkins School voters to see and make it easy for them?

Make it easy for the Perkins Voters. Some voters don't have the time to search for answers on the internet.

Be my guest and provide the link and make it easy for the voters to decide.

RMyer

I sort of suspect you are already aware of the link or where to find the info because you have posted numerous links to other websites in previous posts. It also doesn't take much time to go to the Perkins Local Schools website home page and to scroll through the questions and answers you are looking for-it may even take less time than it takes to post a comment on here. Here it is (I'm off to watch the Tribe):

http://www.perkinsschools.org/Le...

Bherrle

Centauri,

Not at all a fair correlation, in my opinion. Some people may only look at these blogs once a day, or less. Plus, we are not the BOE, and this is not a live Q&A. Our speed in answering a question means nothing.

The ticket sales revenue amount is already public information, and it has already been shown that that revenue is used to pay for items that are outside of the athletics costs that were used to determine the $730 per sport fee. I believe ticket sales were in the range of $125,000, but don't have time to research it right now. Feel free to look it up.

On the County question, if it were me, I wouldn't answer that question. Too many people (not all) on here who aren't willing to put their name behind what they say, combined with the fact that they do nothing but make negative comments, which aren't true and completely fact based. Again, not all no's, but most of them. I wouldn't provide any more info about where a friend of mine worked to this forum.

It seems the goal of your post was to stir the pot, and stir up distrust.

Centauri

"On the County question, if it were me, I wouldn't answer that question. Too many people (not all) on here who aren't willing to put their name behind what they say, combined with the fact that they do nothing but make negative comments, which aren't true and completely fact based. Again, not all no's, but most of them. I wouldn't provide any more info about where a friend of mine worked to this forum."

"make negative comments, which aren't true"

Which of my comments are not true, Bherrle? Point them out and I will correct them and apologize to the readers.

Interesting comment. I didn't ask for the name of the friend in the other county. I only asked for the name of the Ohio county so that I could verify if the comment posted was true.

Why hide trying to dig for the truth or verify a posted comment?

Does the name Elsebeth Baumgartner ring a bell? She used her real name on news boards and also tried to expose the truth in corrupt Ohio. NOBODY
investigated her allegations. She lost her law license and was sent to prison. She is still locked up. She was an Ohio political activist.

I have been intimidated because I am a political activist at the national and sometimes international levels. I have received death threats. I also post comments for those who are too afraid, timid or bashful. I can understand why they are afraid.

I know too much. How do you silence a person who will expose the truth?
You kill them and then rule the death a suicide or natural causes.

What is so secret about naming 1 of 88 counties in Ohio?

It sounds to me like the pro levy people want the truth to be buried.

Why did you Perkins Township voters throw out a very honest and capable township fiscal officer? Are you happy with the present one?

Do your research and vote AUGUST 6 which is TUESDAY.

Bherrle

1. I did not say your comments weren't true. However, a number of no voters are putting out false information, or spinning info in a negative light.

2. I know you didn't ask for the name of the friend. I stand behind my statement. Can you help me to understand what it was you were verifying? That conversation was about property values, which the school district doesn't determine. They can question them, but they don't set them. I'm not understanding where you were going with that issue.

3.I haven't heard of her, and will research as I have time. Just read a very little bit of information.

4. Are you suggesting that you fear for your life because of what you know about Perkins Local Schools, it's current board, or Super? What is it that you know that is pertinent to the levy vote that would put your life in danger?

5. We aren't trying to hide anything! What is it that you think we are trying to hide?

6. I have no idea, again must have been before my time here. I can't say it surprises me, as there is a segment who is totally against a very capable Super and BOE. Why would I vote no on the school levy because a township issue?

Centauri

"Our speed in answering a question means nothing."

For shame Bherrle for shame. Answering a question means a lot.

Why would you say "answering a question means nothing" ??

Bherrle

I didn't say "answering a question means nothing." I said - "Our speed in answering a question means nothing." And I meant it specifically regarding this blog.

Contrary to the opinion of some, we are not paid bloggers.

Why would you twist my words?

fifteenthgreen

You getting tired, Bherrle? It's understandable if so. Centauri has been nothing but informative and classy throughout this whole process.

Bherrle

Nope, not getting tired 15th.

Centauri has been very informative in terms of supplying raw information, but I'm not sure I understand what points he is trying to make at times.

fifteenthgreen

Well for you and your families sake, I welcome Wednesday!

Bherrle

I'll welcome it if the levy passes. If it doesn't pass, I fear that the school district we thought we were moving into will become merely a shell of what we saw it as, and what it has been. And I fear this community will spiral downward with it.

That's not a scare tactic, that's my opinion and prediction.

fifteenthgreen

The community is already spiraling downward from what it once was and there is little that can be done to stop it. Too much has been lost or has already left. Should the levy pass, many, many problems still remain above and beyond that of a school levy. We'll see and take it from there. Much work to be done...either way!

Edwin Ison

Herrle (aka Nostradamus) draws from his TWO years living here to make this bold prediction.

Fear and intimidation is the new way to pass school levies.

Names! I want names!

Bherrle

So only people who have grown up here in North Central Ohio know what the right thing to do is? Is this area so much different from the rest of the country that it has it's own very specific, personalized set of rules?

Wow, the rest of the country might as well as stick their heads between their legs, bend over, and kiss their asses goodbye.

Creating fear and blame, and pointing it at your opposition is a way to win elections. Easier to do that than use facts.

And yeah, I do want names. Being willing to be held accountable for your comments, predictions, and statements by putting your name on it makes them that much more credible. The supporters names are out there, you know who we are. We can't hide from the statements we have been making. You can.

Edwin Ison

So.... if Perkins doesn't build a new campus, the community as a whole will spiral downward?

I live a 55 year old house, it needs some work. I make repairs as I can, prioritizing as I go.

I'd love to build a new house. It is not in the cards right now. I bet a lot of people are in the same boat and cannot understand why schools don't live by the same set of rules.

You seem blinded to reality and have an overwhelming desire to fit in with the Perkins yuppie's.

You struggle to effectively refute opposing views and I can understand how that could be frustrating.

Asking for names is nothing more than harassment and intimidation.
You really think there could be no retaliation against students or parents of the opposition.

You are naive my friend.

Bherrle

I never said they had to build a new campus. However, serious facility issues exist, so the choice is significant renovation, build new, or so combo of both. Would you suggest the building issues be ignored?

The house to public building comparison is not apples to apples, especially a school to a house. I am in the same boat as you as far as the home, 54 year old home.

I don't desire to fit in anywhere, but nice try. And I know going into it that my comments are very unlikely to sway someone who is already posting "Vote No". I don't feel as though I am struggling at all.

Asking for names is nothing more than harassment and intimidation? Really? When my name is already out there, and many other supporters names are as well? You don't think we (supporters) could be subject to the same "retaliation" from No Voters that you say supporters would subject you too?

I am not naive, I just think that is a convenient excuse to be able to say whatever you want, and not be held accountable to it down the road. My opinion.

Wald

"Many" supporters' names are on this blog? I know of two...you and the Perkins teacher. Two doesn't qualify as many. Leave it to a supporter to present misinformation. Beware of Joseph "Bherrle" McCarthy and his Red Scare tactics!

Centauri

I didn't twist your words. I gave ample time (hours or a day) for a response to my question.

Look at your comment. "Our speed in answering a question means nothing."

How much time do you need to answer a question online? I can understand that seconds count in a live session. August 6 is coming up quick and people want answers ASAP. Do you want a week or month to answer a question after the election?

I will be providing more links as time permits. Beware of those who refuse to answer or tap dance around the questions.

Bherrle

Centauri,

We are parsing words. You stated in your last sentence in your first response "Why would you say "answering a question means nothing" ??"

I said "Our speed in answering a question means nothing." I realize, I left open to being misunderstood.

My point was only that we are not on here 24 hours a day. Some folks may not be on every day. Some folks don't look back thru pages worth of comments to see if a question was asked, or any updates made. That is a problem with the format of this blog.

I understand that people want answers, and that answering those questions days from now will do no good. However a lot of these questions have already been asked and answers have already been provided. Many are on the levy website, which would be a much faster place for a person to get an answer.

There is nothing to beware of here. You know who we are.

Centauri

It seems that the people for the levy have been evading questions or tap dancing around them. As time permits me, I will be posting links to various information. You know, things that the pro-levy people want to hide from you.

http://www.serb.ohio.gov/section...

Bherrle

Centauri,

Share anything you like. We are not trying to hide anything. We only want the facts, and all the facts, the whole picture, out there. NOt just pieces, not just parts. Not conclusions that are drawn based something thinking they know what someone else will do, or what thier motives are. Your last sentence causes divisiveness by nature. Let's accuse of them of hiding info, automatic cause for alarm.

I have to hand it to you, you are pretty good. You are obviously an intelligent person, and understand how to find information. You post an awful lot of it. You also ask a lot of questions that I'm sure you already know the answers too, or could easily find yourself, as RMyer has already pointed out.

During WWII, the Germans called it a "Blitzkrieg" - Lightning Warfare. Overwhelm them with tanks - because we can. To anyone who was in or had family in WWII, I mean no offense by this comparison. I had a Great Uncle who served in the Pacific Theater that I was very close too. Also, my father was a Marine in Vietnam. I make no light of warfare.

Fast forward to 2013 Perkins Township. Replace tanks with questions, information, and inuendo. Keep them busy answering the same questions over and over. Flood the blogs with information, and let anyone who wishes take pieces of it and spin it negativley do so. Overwhelm them.

To those who are reading and not posting, who are trying to decide your vote: Understand this tactic for what it is - it is much easier to create doubt and negativity than it is to show support of something and remain positive, especially on an anoynomous blog.

Go back thru the various blogs and articles. The comments and facts presented by those who support the levy have remained consistent, and have largely presented facts, with some opinion, and unfortunately some emotion at times. Now look at the bulk of negative side. It's all over the place, and at some times they attack personally and make rude comments very quickly. Supporters dispell an incorrect negative comment, and the topic immediately switches to something else.
There are a few who have remained consistent and remained cordial. Donutshopguy is an example. I may not agree with him, but he has kept the conversation civil. Centauri has also remained civil, however I question his motives.

There are at least two supporters who have openly put thier names behind/on what they are saying, me and Rmyer. Unless I missed it, perhaps only one no vote has put his name out there, bobshumway92, and his comments have been the least factual, and some of the rudest. Also, donutshopguy met with Rmyer and I for some civil, in person, conversation. Some may already know who he is, but that is not for Rmyer or I to divulge.

Ask yourself of those who continue to do nothing but criticize, make nasty comments in some cases, ask the same questions over and over again, and continue to change the subject. Why won't they put thier name on it? Do you trust that?

The list of levy supporters/volunteers is published on the levy website. Whether it is by name on this blog, or from that list, you know who we are. If we are lying to you, or hiding something, you can always track us down. You can't do the same of virtually all of those who are trying to convince you to Vote No.

Vote Yes this Tuesday, August 6th.

Centauri

You get an A+ for your efforts in posting comments. I like your passion. The reason why I post many comments is because I am the voice of many. I find you to be a very intelligent person. Keep on posting your comments. If a job in your field shows up with good pay near Sandusky, Ohio, you will be contacted

Keep your comments coming because I follow your comments.

We can agree to disagree can we not?

I am only looking for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. To hold back on the truth is a lie.

Bherrle

Yes, we can Centauri. We are both looking for the same thing, and I agree that the truth should not be held back.

I appreciate your comments also, and thank you for the compliments.

I'm glad you are speaking for many, and seeking answers. Let's keep sharing them as we find them.

sugar

What's with all the drama, Bherrle? It's simple, not enough money to go around. Nasty comments? I was called "uneducated" for my vote no comment. "Stupid questions"? There are no stupid questions. You cannot win this battle with a post like this. Your elitist attitude is nauseating.

Bherrle

It's called passion Sugar. When I take up a cause, when I believe in something, I am passionate about it. Perhaps that scares you or makes you uncomfortable.

I have never called anyone uneducated, and I have never said "stupid questions." From where are you pulling this? What was your Vote NO comment?

I far from an elitist.

sugar

Too far back to go back to, but an "impassioned" pro tax hike comrade posted that. I see a lot of anger from your side, but that's pretty typical from those who want to take away others property to use for themselves but are told NO. Like spoiled children they will defend their right to the death to take what is not theirs.

citizen

Since the Register has such an antiquated forum where you aren't able to quote another post and your post show at the end I will copy StrongSchools' various lies he/she tried to state earlier today:

I will correct your lies line by line:

Lie #1
"Mr. Gunner has taken a pay freeze for three years and has agreed to a pay freeze for a forth year like all administrators in the district"

False. Per State of Ohio Treasurer's website Gunner's 2010 salary was $106,391. 2011 salary was $108,000. 2012 salary is $117,200

Lie #2
"Dr. Gunner has done a great jog helping our district financially"

False. He has taken Perkins Schools from making a profit of over $1 million annually for almost the past decade to a $1 million plus annual loss. Net income has plummeted 170% in the last 5 years under Gunner's leadership, while income has increased 13%.

Lie #3
"Could you pay your bills today on what you made 13 years ago...I didn't think so. The economy has changed, inflation occurs, and the state has cut funding."

False. Perkins Schools do not pay their bills on what they made 13 years ago. In just the past 5 years, revenue has increased 13%. That's an average of 2.6% increase in revenue per year.

Lie #4.
"I think all of us have moved money form our savings account to our checking account to pay the bills. "
While that may be true, Jim Gunner did the exact OPPOSITE with taxpayer money. He moved money out of the "checking" account (operations of the district). He determined new buildings and facilities were more important than maintaining the educational opportunities of the students.

Lie #5
"This levy is about the students"
False. This levy is about Gunner and the Board getting their new buildings and facilities that have been voted down overwhelmingly multiple times. This tax increase is about constructing new buildings and facilities.

Centauri

Where did the athletic boosters get $1.7 million? Was it borrowed?

Anybody?

fifteenthgreen

I believe it was through donations, fund raisers, etc. Firelands Regional Medical Center paid a chunk to name the field after them. You can't walk two feet without running into a sponsor sign of some sort, the Kasper Press box and the band boosters threw in some bucks. The board agreed to match the contributions. Had they waited another year, the boosters easily could have raised the entire amount.

Centauri

Thank you for the information.

sugar

Is it true that the team Dr. was chosen by FRMC? Money donated usually comes with a string attached.

fredinperkins

Per the 12/23/11 Special BOE meeting to approve final agreement with FRMC on naming rights of the stadium the district received $225,000 up front. Two addendums: FRMC to provide athletic training for 5 years at no cost, 1 physician on site for all home games at no cost, up to $5,000 provided for equipment in the training room and provide a trainer from 2:30-5:30.

EZOB

I really hope Perkins goes broke. Sandusky has a High School with an enrollment of about 8-900? When I went to school there it was around 2,000. Obviously there is plenty of room for Perkins and it's less than a mile away. One major factor that supporters are eluding for their posts is the declining number of graduating student. We have went from over 300 in the mid 70's, 280's in the 80's, 260 in the 90's, and down to like 230 now. Please feel free to correct Me as I don't have the exact numbers but I do know there has been a drastic decline. On line schooling which some predict will reach 50% by the year 2020 and You will probably be looking at a huge new school (Like Sandusky) that is half occupied. For all practical purposes, General Motors as we have known it is gone. Connecticut workers transferring to Sandusky drove up property values in Perkins Township and we are not getting an influx of new taxpayers that were making top wages and could afford to support projects of this magnitude. The top wage earners now are government employees thus it has divided the two sides. Remember, I Do, that most of you school supporters were constantly complained about the auto workers with little schooling recieving top wages while they were paying into the schools. Well, most are retired now living on smaller incomes and they still remember all the foreign cars you drive. You've killed the goose that was laying the golden eggs. Our kids are raised and a lot have left the area, we may soon follow.

sugar

AMEN

Bherrle

EZOB,

You hope Perkins goes broke? When you went to school (at Sandusky) enrollment was much higher there than it is now? What is your real motivation behind wanting Perkins to go broke?

Again, no one is trying to hide anything. It is public knowledge that student population has been declining. I have just posted a question on the levy website regarding how future student pop projections are being used in plans for either renovation or new construction, and will post that response here when it is given.

As far as the golden egg, if anyone was complaining about what the auto workers made while those jobs were here, then they should have gone after those jobs. Same thing I say about those who complain about what teachers make. Become a teacher, do what it takes to earn that living. with regards to why those auto jobs aren't here anymore, that's a national & global economy issue. Local folks who drive foreign cars had very little impact on why those jobs aren't here.

John Seeds

Re: Rollback Tax - The August levy still receives the 12.5% reduction for the duration of the levy AND any renewals. Also, any current local property tax levies receive this 12.5% reduction.
All new levies beginning in November'13 will cost taxpayers an add'l 12.5%.

fifteenthgreen

What a mess!

EZOB

15th,
The only thing I'll say to elaborate on those three words is, "If this mess weren't true, It would be a laughable joke".

Edwin Ison

It's really simple,

Vote yes if you want a new school building, and numerous future levies to fund the projects.

Vote yes if you want to write a new Erie County school funding playbook that includes fear and intimidation as the engine to drive passage.

Vote yes if you wish to reward bad behavior.

Vote no if you are against the above.

It's that simple.

My name is Edwin Ison and I approve this message :)

Bherrle

Edwin,

It is not nearly that simple at all.

1. The BOE has already stated they will wait until after the November election to make a decision on buildings, and they have also defined what financial stability means, as it relates to moving forward on buildings, in any direction.

2. There is no playbook being written. I understand that you and numerous other Vote No bloggers want people to feel afraid, you want them to be skeptical, you want to create doubt, you want them to feel intimidated. That's how you win elections - Tell em' what to be afraid of, and tell em' whose to blame for it. It's easier to do that than to offer real, tangible, fact based solutions. That comes from an old playbook, by the way.

3. There has been no "bad behavior". There has been a dedicated Superintendent, Board of Education, and staff who are trying to do what's best for the entire community. At the top of that list is the students, first and foremost. Not everyone is going to agree with them, but disagreement does not mean bad behavior. A lot of No bloggers are trying to create the illusion of bad behavior, simply because the board is not doing what they want them to do.

4. I understand that those who live outside the district, such as you, may be motivated by a vested interest to see our schools & community go downhill. Attract students and families to your community. You don't want your taxes, which are already at higher rates than ours, to go any higher.

5. Give me some facts that show that future levies will be needed to fund the projects. What are the projects? As previously stated, those decisions have not been made final. The Board had a direction that it wanted to go, but it has stepped back and will wait until after the November elections.

6. It is a very complicated matter. Trying to make it "simple" only shows that you don't want folks to know the whole truth. You want to then to quickly decide to Vote No.

My real name is Brad Herrle, I wrote this message, and I'll be Voting Yes on Tuesday, August 6th.

Edwin Ison

1. Fact, they are moving forward with a new building regardless ogf the wishes of the community majority.
Bad behavior.

2. Punitive exorbitant "pay to play" fees to force yes votes on a building levy thereby creating a playbook for other supers and school boards to follow to force an agenda.
Bad behavior.

3. See above.
Bad behavior.

4. I own property in the Perkins district and will be affected. I also do not have the benefit of a vote attached with that property.

5. Common sense Herrle... come on man!

6. Your hero Buddha has complicated the matter by trying to force a new campus on the community.

It's simple, a yes vote is a reward for bad behavior and a vote for a new building.

Bherrle

All of the above is what you want people to believe. That's your spin, that's your take. And I can understand you not wanting your taxes going up on your Perkins Twp property, meanwhile you live elsewhere.

The Vote NO contingent asked for the board to delay decisions on facilities until after the November BOE elections. They have clearly done that, and put it in writing. Your response to that is to continue to state the decisions have already been made.

Common sense and negative spin and two distinctly different things.

Instead of referring to him with any civility at all, you and others have referred to Dr. Gunner as Buddha multiple times. SPeaks directly to the credibility of your position when you can't stick to the facts and have to make personal attacks and insults.

Edwin Ison

Buddha is not a personal attack or insult.... it simply refers to an expensive trip to China that he, Gastier, and Finn took on the taxpayers credit card.

You are too sensitive.

PyrkinsPyrate

Thank you for making valid and clear points Edwin. It is hard to understand how anyone could trust Gunner and company.

citizen

"3. There has been no "bad behavior". There has been a dedicated Superintendent, Board of Education, and staff who are trying to do what's best for the entire community. At the top of that list is the students, first and foremost"

Come on, beherrle. Be honest. Gunner has chosen his new buildings and facilities over the education of students and their programs. The students are a pawn in Gunner's attempt to force the taxpayer's hand after multiple no votes for new buildings. If Gunner really had the students first and foremost would he really move million of dollars in operating funds away from them, cut 14 of their teachers, eliminate multiple academic and arts programs and force them to pay $730 for every sport they want to participate in?

Yea, that sounds like Gunner is putting students first?

Bherrle

I am being honest Citizen. I would ask you to do the same. There were not "multiple no votes for new buildings." The Nov 2010 levy was the only building levy.

Let's do this. What is your position on the buildings? Do you feel they are fine as is for the foreseeable future?

fifteenthgreen

Yes.

citizen

Yes, they are. For the long-term, no. But for the short and medium terms (next 8-10 years, yes).

Will you please admit that your comment about students being the first priority for Gunner is a lie. The following is specific examples of Gunner NOT putting the students first (that you failed to respond to):

Gunner has chosen his new buildings and facilities over the education of students and their programs. The students are a pawn in Gunner's attempt to force the taxpayer's hand after multiple no votes for new buildings. If Gunner really had the students first and foremost would he really move million of dollars in operating funds away from them, cut 14 of their teachers, eliminate multiple academic and arts programs and force them to pay $730 for every sport they want to participate in?

sugar

Funny Edwin....made me laugh!

donutshopguy

The school picked up this method of using fear and intimidation from the township in their support of the police levy. The people in this township are suckers for Chicken Little's "the sky is falling". Teachers and administrators use intimidation on students to force their parents to cave in. Parents will protect their children from the bullying tactics and vote against their conscious.

Some day maybe they will understand the process. Until then.... the sky is falling, pass the levy to protect yourself and your kids.

Bherrle

DSG,

Come on, I've been with you face to face. Whether you Vote No, or Vote Yes, I know you are better than this comment.

You are implying that if we Vote Yes, we don't understand the process? And you are outright stating we are suckers? I assume you are refering to the Police Levy? Anyone who voted for that is a sucker?

Now who is accusing who of "not being informed or educated?" I remember some staunch no folks accusing supporters of that not that long ago.

We understand the process. We understand times are tough. And we understand that there are very hard decisons that have to be made. It is easy for anyone to sit back, criticize, and create motives as to why the board is doing this, or why Gunner is doing that. DO you really think that the board didn't know that the "play to pay" direction, or the millage move, was going to be criticized. It takes guts to do what you feel is the best option, knowing that you will be called on the carpet for it by some, when you are in charge. It can be lonely at the top.

Please tell me, exactly who has intimidated who?

Edwin Ison

You must rewind to the first failed levy for the multi-million dollar campus Brad.

Everything after that point is a select few trying to further an agenda at all costs, underhanded, sneaky and heavy-handed.

It's simple really.

Even as much as you try to muddy the waters.

Maybe Buddha should take another 10 day vacation to China with a few select friends, all on the taxpayers credit card!

Oh yeah! You weren't around for that little gem!

donutshopguy

Bherrle,

You don't understand the process of using exaggerations to prove your point? The school board had not previously used this method unit this vote. They saw the success the township had with "no police" if the levy does't pass so they have mastered the use of exaggeration without a full lie. If people believe this exaggeration (the sky is falling) your government institutions will continue to play the game.

I thought the taxpaying community was in charge? I thought the school board was to represent the community not to be dictators over it? It's not lonely when you represent the majority of the community. Do you think they will ever understand the concept?

Bherrle

DSG,

I'm going to set exaggeration to the side, because if you really want to talk about that, then we need to look at all the exaggerations the Vote No side has made.

We just philosophically disagree on how the system should work. This is a representative democracy. We are a taxpaying community at the Federal, State, and Local level. At the Federal or State level, do we get a vote on how our dollars are spent ? No we do not. We get to elect representatives, and they make those decisions. Don't like those decisions, vote em out, and vote someone else in.

In Ohio, at the local level, we get to vote on our taxes. Mind you, Ohio's school funding system was ruled Unconstitutional 20 years ago, but they still haven't changed it. In the majority of the country it is not that way. In the majority of the country, you elect your board members, and that's it. You don't get to vote on your local taxes, just like state and federal.

So, should it surprise us that it is so difficult to get school levies passed in Ohio? Perkins is not the only district with this problem. Give folks the chance to say yes or no to paying higher taxes, what do you think the natural tendency is? Vote No.

Now, throw in the fact that voters already feel disconnected from the Federal and State governments. They are mad at them. Where is the only place they have a say, beyond electing reps? School District. So where is there displeasure going to come out the most? School District.

If the taxpaying community is to be totally "in charge", then why do we elect a Board at all? Let's throw all 10,000'ish potential Perkins voters in a room, and get them to make a decision. How long would it take to get them to make decisions? How many different opinions on different topics are there going to be in that room? If the concept is do everything we say, then I think the concept is flawed.

I'll remind you that school board members are essentially unpaid positions. They receive a stipend for meetings attended, but the majority of that is donated back to the district. They are there truly trying to serve the community, not as a political full time job, as we have with State and Federal reps. Our school board members have other full time jobs. Being a school board member is something they essentially donate their personal time to do. I think we all need to remember that as we sit back and throw stones at them, and presume their intentions. To my point above, how many different opinions do you think they get as representatives? How could they possibly follow them all? They have to make the decisions at some point, that's what they were elected to do.

Someone pointed out on this blog a few days ago that our five board members properties had a combined value of I believe approx $1.7M. They then claimed, due to this, that the board and Dr. Gunner were "out of touch" financially. Dr. Gunner already pays a higher tax rate in the district he lives in than if he lived in Perkins. At $206 dollars per year in additional proposed tax, for every $100,000 dollars worth of home, our five board members would pay a total of $3,500 in additional tax annually, or an average of $500 each. The district average home value is $156,000. The average tax increase per home with this levy is around $320 annually. Are they out of touch? I don't think so.

beesknees

Bherrle, are you serious? It takes guts for the BOE to do what it feels is the best option? Bologna! The BOE already presented its case for what it felt was the best option and the voters rejected it soundly this past May. This should be the end of story at least for a couple of years. How can one give credit to a BOE that is hell-bent on violating the wish of the majority? A BOE that uses our students and teachers as hostages need not be trusted by the taxpayers. You know the old story; pay up or I will harm the hostages!

It is upsetting to see “support our students” signs. I see the implication that a NO vote means I do not support the students which is simply not true. I will continue to pay adequate tax dollars to the school which will indeed support the students if we have a sound superintendent and BOE. It is disconcerting, to say the least, when Perkins teachers place the “support our students” signs in their yards and vehicles. Where was this theme when the Perkins teachers went on strike in 2006? It certainly appeared then that the teachers’ needs took priority over student needs.

Rosa

You are so correct about the fear and intimidation. My friend is not even going to tell her children she is voting no because she fears retaliation for her chilren from teachers and the system. They even phoned her cell phone to tell her to vote yes. But there are so many other parents who fear this "pay to play" outrageous fee, they are going to vote yes for that reason only.....

fifteenthgreen

They will never impose those fees. They've threatened it in years past, threatened to take away busing, take away reduced lunches, get rid of band directors, get rid of the band altogether, sports, etc... The only real cut several years ago was Jr. High athletics for one year. I've sat in meetings where Superintendents actually told teachers your job is safe but we're going to use your position and/or program to get votes.

RMyer

You didn't sit in on a meeting in Perkins like that.

observer

BHerrle, after reading your posts over the last few days, my opinion of your intelligence has taken a severe nose dive! You CANNOT be this gullible, can you? Seriously? My goodness.

Bherrle

I'm not looking for any endorsements of my intelligence. I am not gullible.

Edwin Ison

Not gullible?

Do you really believe that the levy is not a building levy?

Bherrle

I know it's not.

Edwin Ison

Then you are either gullible, or disingenuous.

Bherrle

Interesting argument. I disagree with you, so I am either gullible, or disingenuous.

Hmmmm...

Edwin Ison

Yep.

This particular levy has come about solely as a result of a desire to build a new campus.

Spin it however you must.

citizen

Wow. This is a tax increase to build Gunner's new buildings.

There is no way around it.

Wald

This levy in particular might not be for a new building, but it is a levy to replace money that was unethically taken to build a new building, so, in essence, it is a levy for a new building.

fifteenthgreen

I agree observer. After his previous comment on his comparison of St. Mary's buildings vs. Perkins and the 1900s vs the 70s, I've come to the conclusion that he is clueless. Gunner and the BOE must have been really pressed to find a campaign job for you. "Hey, let's put herrle on the blogs and pizza parties. Nothing else."

Bherrle
Sun, 08/04/2013 - 3:09pm

Sugar,

How were those buildings constructed in the 19th century, compared to how they are constructed today? What construction materials were used and still exist in those buildings? How much money is put into upkeep & maintenance on those buildings compared to buildings built in the 1930's thru 1970's?

Let's make sure we are comparing apples to apples.

Bherrle

15th,

I said nothing of St. Mary's buildings. The 19th century was the 1800's. Sugar said 19th century.

If one is going to make a general statement such as Sugar made, that is fine. I'm pointing out that you have to look at all costs for a true comparison.

The age of a building in itself does not drive me to want to replace it.

I am blogging of my own free will. No one asked me too. But, yet once again, you see the need to stray from facts.

fifteenthgreen

How many catholic schools are in this area, herrle?

sugar
Sun, 08/04/2013 - 11:03am

The Catholic schools are in buildings built in the 19th century and manage to turn out educated, well rounded students.

Bherrle
Sun, 08/04/2013 - 3:09pm

Sugar,

How were those buildings constructed in the 19th century, compared to how they are constructed today? What construction materials were used and still exist in those buildings? How much money is put into upkeep & maintenance on those buildings compared to buildings built in the 1930's thru 1970's?

Let's make sure we are comparing apples to apples.

fifteenthgreen

Voters, it's people like bherrle that are spending your tax dollars.

Bherrle

I'm a taxpayer 15th.

Bherrle

I stand behind by my question 15th. Back up the statement Sugar made with facts.

You can make rude comments all you want, in fact, I encourage you to do so. It points to the lack of a credible argument from your side.

fifteenthgreen

Now you're telling me what side I'm on. "your side" My side is not wanting people like you writing checks with other peoples money. Checks you can't cash responsibly. That's my side.

Back up sugar's statement with facts? What are you talking about? Sugar couldn't have been any clearer with the statement and I'm certain St. Mary's....oh sorry, catholic schools, have turned out well rounded, educated students.....in century old buildings.

PyrkinsPyrate

Two years at a community college without a degree is the best endorsement for your intelligence that I have seen thus far.

Bherrle

And someone accused me of being an elitist just a few hours ago. Keep attacking me Pyrate, it only weakens your point of view.

By the way, I know who you are , u just gave it away. Don't worry, I won't tell.

fifteenthgreen

Let it go.

Bherrle

Why should I let it go 15th? Furthermore, why can't you guys stick to the facts?

Edwin Ison

Vote yes for a new Perkins School Campus.

Edwin Ison

Ok, let us try a different tact.

If this levy is not for a new building, then after this levy has passed, another NEW additional levy will be needed to build a new campus.

Right Bherrle?

Edwin Ison

Bherrle makes frantic calls about how to answer above question.

sugar

hahahahaha, need a good laugh!

Bherrle

Bherrle had stepped away from his computer, and home, for a few hours. He called no one, but nice try.

citizen

No, no, no, no, no.

Don't you listen to our Savior, Dr. James Gunner?

Just this $6 million tax increase will:

1. Save our School District from financial ruin. Without this tax increase, Gunner will be forced to "dismantle the district"

AND

2. Build Gunner's new Academy buildings and facilities

Save the entire District's operations and new buildings and facilities. All with one $6 million tax increase.

If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Centauri

http://public-school-districts.f...
Perkins Schools information

http://www.perkinsschools.org/Do...
BASIC FINANCIAL STATEMENTS

http://www.perkinsschools.org/Do...
FIVE-YEAR FORECAST

http://www.perkinsschools.org/Do...
GENERAL FUND: YEAR TO DATE FY2013 COMPARED TO YTD FY2012

http://www.perkinsschools.org/Do...
PI CASH FLOW PROJECTIONS

http://www.perkins.k12.oh.us/Tre...

sugar

wow, this Bherrle person is most certainly a BOE troll, he has a retort to every post here. Wonder what bonus he was promised for a passing levy? Or perhaps he'll get a big plaque or a paving stone at the new school. lol

Bherrle

Nope, just a taxpaying citizen. I will get nothing personally if this levy. I speak because I want too.

Edwin Ison

Nah, he'll be the next transportation supervisor for the school district. He's just "networking".

Bherrle

LOL. Keep it up Edwin, keep making comments about me. If you have to make snide comments about me, then you must be lacking in the fact department.

Centauri

http://news.google.com/newspaper...
PERKINS HIGH SCHOOL 1961

http://news.google.com/newspaper...
PERKINS STADIUM 1961

Centauri

http://www.perkinsschools.org/Do...
Perkins District Boundaries (MAP)

sugar

You know that sign on Milan Rd. that reads Little Italy, in Sandusky? I think we can have a follow up to that. At the intersection of Perkins Ave. and Columbus Ave. at the used car dealer I am going to petition we erect a sign that reads Little Detroit as you enter the Hamptons...oops I mean Perkins Township. LMAO

EZOB

Bherrle,
The real reason? We keep saying no and you will not accept a no vote from the voters. That's the main reason. Every months you spend money to "throw" it at us again. How are children suppose to understand "NO" when you people don't know the definition.
Another: Gunner and the board continually go against the taxpayers. I don't see anything changing in the near future as in Washington D.C. You can't seem to understand what "Broke" really is. I'm guessing that voting "NO" on maybe the next half dozen levies "YOU PEOPLE" will start to realize what "YOU" have caused. Maybe, just maybe, it will be worth coming to a meeting where we are heard instaed of just counted in attendance. Yes, many of have attended but you haven't listened to us so I'll continue to vote "NO".

EZOB

I posted again without reading and corresting!
Sugar,
I want to smile but it hurts that a minority of people have put us in this whole. You know what hurts more? It has been done by an outsider brought in to bankrupt us. Brilliant people with all the education money can buy and not an ounce of "good ole common sense".

sugar

So true.

samiam

In the last 20 yrs my property taxes have gone up 276% while the value of my home has only gone up 146% in the last 25 yrs. That doesn't include the increase in utilities, home insurance, health insurance, fuel, sales taxes, etc. The federal government has increased the access charge and universal service fee on my phone bill this month without notice so I can provide for the "telecommunication needs of schools", among others. I voted NO. This well has run dry.

PyrkinsPyrate

whatever

donutshopguy

I get paid with gratification in the knowledge that I have offered different opinions that other people can ponder prior to making a decision that will effect them their whole lives while they live in this school district.

I don't have the ability to spend tax dollars for a special election to promote my agenda. I don't have the ability to spend tax dollars to print and mail propaganda pieces to community members to promote my agenda. So I question those with the agendas in this blog.

There is nothing wrong with questioning your government institutions.

Vote on Tuesday.

Bherrle

I agree Donut, there is nothing wrong with questioning. But what I see going on here is an attempt to control. Those are two different things.

donutshopguy

Hey, I was the 700th comment. I think I will buy myself lunch tomorrow to celebrate.

samiam

Wouldn't you buy yourself lunch anyway? Enjoy.

donutshopguy

Not if I could talk someone else into paying.

Resident51

Careful...you almost sound like a parent not wanting to pay to play. :)

Centauri

I only posted a small fraction of information for the Perkins School voters. After poring over all information that I was able to bring up, the moving of the inside millage, questions being evaded or tap danced around, the state of the economy, wasteful spending by the school, the $3.5 million loan, the ridiculous low valuations of most properties while some properties are over-valued and a list of other things.

I would advise a strong NO vote. The taxpayers are tapped out. More levies on the way in the future.

Mark your calendars and write some reminder notes to vote on AUGUST 6 this coming TUESDAY.

fifteenthgreen

Thank you for your research and hard work, Centauri.

Edwin Ison

I think Bherrle missed this previously.

Ok, let us try a different tact.

If this levy is not for a new building, then after this levy has passed, another NEW additional levy will be needed to build a new campus.

Right Bherrle?

believeit

On and on - the same dozen people making the same points. The only truth is that if this levy fails, it will cost you more money, regardless of who you get in to "fix the system". DSG himself could be the superintendent and he would still have to find a way to cover the cost of the states funding problems. Even he would eventually have to get a levy passed (there is no way around it, including when the state tells him it is necessary), and it will be more expensive for the same funds. Meanwhile, watch what happens to the programs of the schools, the facilities themselves, and the community as a whole. Enjoy your conspiracy theories, personal hate for individuals you do not know (or have probably never even tried to engage in conversation) and pride in bringing down a school district in the name of constitutional rights (really?). You may have the solutions (though we never hear those), but it will be years before a recovery can occur for the sake of a relatively small tax increase (comparative to what it will be) if you want to maintain the district at all.

Bherrle

Edwin,

First, as previously stated, by the board, verbally and in writing, building plans are on hold until after the November BOE elections, and also until the district achieves financial stability, which they have also defined.

These are two things that many bloggers who oppose the levy asked for repeatedly. You got it, and now you are all ignoring it. Why is that? Is it because you can't use that as a negative anymore? Whose really doing the tap dancing here?

The following is strictly my opinion, I do not speak for the board, and I am not a BOE troll as someone tonight suggested. With a 7-12 building design that is now on hold, and very well could change, and the fact that we really don't know how long it will take to achieve financial stability, how can anyone honestly answer that question with absolute certainty?

With new BOE members, design changes could happen. Renovation could be considered again. If building were to occur, when will it happen? What will the costs be then, 1 year, 3 years, 5 years, etc etc down the road? What will happen to tax revenues in that time period? Will the state continue to abandon their responsibility? Will property values go up or down?

I could go on and on. There are any number of variables that the district can't control over that kind of time period, what is really an unknown amount of time at this point.

Resident51

They are saying that to appease us.

Regarding waiting until after November elections, what will electing 2 board members do? Even if they are anti-new school, they will still be the minority.

If plans are on hold, why does Gunner continue to meet with architects?

Bherrle

There it is. You'll ask for something, get it, and then figure out a way criticize what you got.

If 2 new members are elected, they will certainly be given the chance to change the minds of the 3 existing board members. They'd only have to change 1 mind. Plus, the financial stability definition has to be met, it's not just about what the board wants to do.

When is the last time Dr. Gunner met with an architect? And what did they meet about?

fifteenthgreen

Why did they meet in the first place if we are not financially stable? Why are we waiting now? Why all of a sudden don't we have the funding?

Bherrle

15th,

In response to your post "Why did they meet in the first place if we are not financially stable? Why are we waiting now? Why all of a sudden don't we have the funding?"

I speak with no knowledge of when they met, or what they met about. Which is why I asked those questions. However, with the known facility issues, would you not agree that some sort of planning needs to be done? That options have to be looked at, some idea of the cost of those options needs to be determined?

I would find it irresponsible not to continue to look at options. There are serious issues that need to be addressed for the long term. Whether something is going to be done next year, in 2 years, 3 years, etc, planning still has to be done.

Why are we waiting? Partly because this community turned down a golden opportunity in 2010, and in my opinion, at some point, be it 5, 10, 20 years down the road, this community will come to regret that vote. Partly because a number of critics asked for decisions to be put on hold until after the November election. The BOE has obliged, and now it seems you criticize that?

No one said that all of a sudden we don't have funding, those are your words. However, I would say that overall, some reasons funding is in question is that we have not passed a levy for new money in 13 years, and that the state has continued to abandon it's responsibility to fund the schools properly, and it has ignored the unconstitutional system we have now.

15th - I don't know, but it seems that no matter how we respond, you choose to twist meaning, or turn our answers in other twisting or over the top questions. If that's not your intent, then so be it, but that is what it seems to be. Beware of those who repeatedly go over the top. Eventually, they will hook it left, out of bounds.

donutshopguy

believeit,

With no idea of where state funding is going and two "NO" votes from your community on funding I surely would not have spent an additional $3.5 millions dollars to continue the academy adventure.

I would have found a superintendent that joined our community and instilled trust from the voting public.

When a new school was necessary I would have allowed the community to decide how much they wanted to fund. Yes, that option is available, the school board just doesn't believe you can make a right decision.

But, it is our community and our school. We have the right to decide the cost and scope of the education we wish to provide for our children.

The Perkins School system will continue with or without the approval of this levy. Make your decision based on what you can afford now and in the future. Don't expect the state or the federal government to come in and save the day.

I believe in this community. I plan on living in this community for the rest of my life.

Follow your feelings and make a decision. Vote on Tuesday.

believeit

The reason I chose you as my "superintendent" is that while I disagree with some of the opinions you have, I respect you for the integrity in which you state them. My main point is that if you found a different superintendent, changed the way in which facility repairs/replacement could be done, or even basically ignored what is going on, there is no debate that it WILL be more expensive as time goes on. Infuriated or not about what has already occurred through the work of the current administration, it is done, and we can only move forward. I agree that the state or federal government is not going to save the day, and that Perkins will continue (although many no voters would like that not to happen, eg. join with Sandusky), however the question becomes in what state will the district be in as these problems continue. I simply feel it would be less expensive, and disruptive, to solve this immediate problem now, then work as a community in the future to tackle what will most certainly be more financial issues to come (just like every other school district in Ohio).

donutshopguy

believeit,

Are you talking about an operating levy or a building?

Centauri

http://www.perkinsschools.org/Do...

Attention taxpayers in the townships of Groton, Huron, Margaretta, Milan, and Oxford. Check the map and also your property tax information to see if you are in the Perkins Local School District. You have the right to vote AUGUST 6 this coming TUESDAY.

The Perkins Local School District includes parts of Groton, Huron, Margaretta, Milan, Oxford, and Perkins Townships.

Centauri

http://www.tax.ohio.gov/portals/...

http://news.cincinnati.com/artic...

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

http://cgp.hccanet.org/Lists/mai...
Perkins could have moved a part of the inside millage. Look at the list of schools. Perkins moved ALL 5.2 mills. Perkins had the most millage moved as shown by the schools listed. I counted 40 school districts.

There are 613 school districts in Ohio.

http://www.perkinsschools.org/Do...

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

Centauri

http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/...
"Study: Most Ohio School Districts Cut Expenses in Face of State Budget Cuts"

Sandwire

Did the inside millage move icrease taxes on its own or just redistribute them?

donutshopguy

Sand,

It primarily was a redistribution. But, inside millage is based on property value. If property value is increased by the County Auditor than your taxes will increase in proportion.

True Blue

If this levy passes, you have given Mr. Chapman and Mr. Gunner the money to build their campus. This levy will put the money back they moved to inside milage,the $730.00 will be replaced with $35.00,and the school will be finanially stable. Thanks to the Citizens for Perkins Schools for their supporting their kids sports!

EZOB

If Gunner and all the teachers agree to a 10% reduction in wages and a pay freeze for the length of the levy I'll vote "YES". We all realize it would be more expensive say 5 years from now but it would have been cheaper 5 years ago. You don't buy a house or car now that you can't afford because it will be more expensive in 5 years. Of course many of you have become impulse buyers, just swipe the credit cards. This lack of common sense is what we have been discussing at the moment. So & so just built a new school, we want one also. Forget that ours is newer and the taxpayers have refused to okay a new school. We have grown up spoiled brats and have to have our own way or else. I'll dare you to tell me "NO".
Our telling you "NO" isn't about the kids, government, Religion, or anything contained in the constitution, it's strictly monetary. The group of us that understands our economic situations at this time have come to the conclusion that voting for this levy puts undue hardships to a vast number in Perkins. I'm saying that the negative economics of a new school out-weigh the negative impact that the present school or children would suffer.

EZOB

Many of us Grandparents have taken on some care of our grandchildren, to help out so to say. A few days ago I went shopping with My Daughter for school supplies, mandatory list.
She said it was suppose to cost $50.00 a student. I'm an excellent shopper and I challenge anyone to spend less than $50.00. You are look ing at closer to $100.00 and this isn't considering any clothing or shoes. Later today, I'll post a list and than you can be the judge.

donutshopguy

EZOB,

The logic of spend now to save later does not stand up to analysis.

Does the school purchase new laptops two years before they are needed because it is cheaper? Does the school purchase two years supply of toilet paper because it is cheaper now?

If I use that logic, we should spend money on another new building to replace the new academy that the community has voted "no" on twice because it is cheaper.

RMyer

Not sure that I agree. November 2010-a 4.98 mill ten year levy was asked for in order to take advantage of rare gov't incentives tied to bond rates/terms (on sale, if you will). Also, construction costs were lower. Tomorrow a 6.73 mill levy for ten years is asked. If this one fails, another in November will follow possibly for the same, but may be more. We already know that the state will make it more "expensive" due to eliminating the rollback reimbursement, plus the Homestead Exemption change. If a Nov. levy fails, the next levy request in May will be higher. These amounts are after the cuts that have already been made and cuts that are sure to follow if tomorrow's and other future levies are defeated. If the state has to take over, we will need to pay an even higher levy amount to pay back loans from the state. It has happened in every district I have read about the past few years taken over by the state. And facility issues will still not be addressed in this process.

In my opinion, the pass it now or pay more later does apply. I don't know about the school, but when TP is on sale today, I do buy lots to save later. Different metrics apply to short term disposable assets versus long term assets. We're talking about small versus large dollar differences. Putting off buying TP now until later might cost me $.50 more per roll later. Finally, putting off doing something about a large, expensive asset like a building later will cost me at best hundreds of thousands more-probably millions more.

I am curious about your opinion related to levies in general. I understand the personal economic argument that is put forth. It is a tough situation for anyone in those circumstances. However, would not this be true when any levy at any point in time is asked for? For example, I was at a board meeting several years ago when an individual argued against a Perkins levy due to economics, but went on later to state he had recently voted to support a new funds levy for a different entity. There are "vote no" commenters here who actively campaigned and commented in favor of passing other levies for other entities. Two thirds of those who voted in May voted to pass a levy. In order for that to happen, people on fixed incomes, with families, plus those in other demographic groups had to vote yes. Were all of us (includes me) who supported those previous levies uncaring about our neighbors, including those in opposition to the school levy but who voted yes in May for the township? If this is purely about economics, then how does any levy ever pass (including renewals)? My question is philosophical in nature.

Edwin Ison

So now it's a building levy again.

Bherrle

Edwin,

We understand that no matter what we say, it is going to get twisted into what you want it mean. It's much easier for you to do that than to offer up real solutions.

Please, tell us what specifically you would do?

beesknees

Bherrle, are you serious? It takes guts for the BOE to do what it feels is the best option? Bologna! The BOE already presented its case for what it felt was the best option and the voters rejected it soundly this past May. This should be the end of story at least for a couple of years. How can one give credit to a BOE that is hell-bent on violating the wish of the majority? A BOE that uses our students and teachers as hostages need not be trusted by the taxpayers. You know the old story; pay up or I will harm the hostages!

It is upsetting to see “support our students” signs. I see the implication that a NO vote means I do not support the students which is simply not true. I will continue to pay adequate tax dollars to the school which will indeed support the students if we have a sound superintendent and BOE. It is disconcerting, to say the least, when Perkins teachers place the “support our students” signs in their yards and vehicles. Where was this theme when the Perkins teachers went on strike in 2006? It certainly appeared then that the teachers’ needs took priority over student needs.

Bherrle

Bees,

As previously stated, by the board, verbally and in writing, building plans are on hold until after the November BOE elections, and also until the district achieves financial stability, which they have also defined.

The public chose not to fund a Permanent Improvement Levy in Nov 2010. The board, needing to do something to ensure that PI funds would be available, whether new buildings were constructed or renovation was done, moved the 5.2 mills from outside to inside. Had they not done so, we would still be on the ballot right now, for something closer to two mills. And, there would be no money set aside to pay for any type of building issues, new, renovation, etc.

A lot of people are claiming to know exactly what the BOE's & Dr. Gunner's intentions are. Yes, it is true that they have believed that we need to replace the districts buildings, in part because of the numerous studies that have been done and the numerous known long-term health and safety issues. If you don't agree that they should have some sort of plan & funding to address facility issues, then we disagree with each other. However, I refer back to my first statement. Nothing is certain at this point.

The May 2013 was an operating fund levy. I understand you may disagree with that, and that others do too.

The BOE is not "hell-bent on violating the wish of the majority." They are trying to keep the district strong and plan for the future. They do not want to leave these problems for future BOE's and Super's to have deal with. It would be much easier for them to do that, just ignore it.

As far as the signs, they are not meant to offend. And paying taxes, voting yes, etc, is not the only way to Support Our Students. But we are at a crossroads in the districts history. If the facility issues are left to fester another 5-10 years, they will be that much worse. And that includes the stadium. That's why the board moved the inside millage. They are being called irresponsible for doing so. We could just as easily call them irresponsible if they had done nothing.

True Blue

Why did the BOE have to spend extra money for the levy in August?? They were afraid it wouldn't pass and they'd have another chance in November. If it doesn't pass I wonder if the parents will have to pay to send their kids to Perkins or they'll stop busing the kids. With this BOP and Gunner, you don't know what shenanigans they'll pull to get their campus. Why don't all those supers take a pay cut. This is what companies are doing to us workers. I don't mean a wage freeze, I'm talking PAY CUT.

Lil DAB

Voting yes or no on the levy should be a matter of personal economics. If you WANT to pay higher taxes and WANT to have less money to support yourself and your family, vote yes. If you’re tired of the government and schools taking more and more from you, ✰Vote NO.✰

I think it's our responsibility to ✰PROTECT✰ the next generation from outrageous taxes that they will inherit. I believe the next generation already has the tools they need...teachers, technology and new school roofs over their heads.

Economics, property values, income, cost of college, gas, and just day to day expenses are very different from when our parents saw to our schooling. We have to adjust our budgets. So should the school administration; with transparency and without threats.

Perkins voters: Good luck in ✰protecting your household incomes✰ Aug 6, tomorrow!

Perkins2060

Already voted no.

Centauri

http://odevax.ode.state.oh.us/ht...

http://webapp2.ode.state.oh.us/s...
Compare Perkins Schools with other schools in the area or state. Compare millage, cost per pupil and other useful information.

http://education.ohio.gov/Topics...

EZOB

The Juniors and Seniors will be glad there Parents have some extra cash when they are going to college in a couple years.

Centauri

http://perkinslevy.com/
Question: Tax Rates

All this talk about tax rates, I would like to se a comparison of the dollars the school districts receive based on the tax levies. I think Perkins has a higher tax base then some of the other school districts.

Answer:

Tax millage (or tax rates) are multiplied by the assessed valuation within each community in two different classes, Class I (Residential/Agricultural) and Class II (Commercial/Industrial). The school funding formula as devised by the State of Ohio is designed to take the property wealth of a school district in consideration when giving out state funds. By balancing state funds based upon a community’s property value, the state hopes to create a system of balance among local communities and their tax rates for schools. Overall, the state average for a community is 35 mils taxation for their schools. Almost all Erie County Schools operate below that average tax rate with Perkins currently the lowest at 28.52 mils. With total property valuation of $433 million, Perkins does receive more revenue locally with a lower rate of taxation than other school districts. But, this local contribution is offset by a significantly lower state allocation to Perkins based on this same property wealth. The truest way to compare school districts is the tax rate assessed in each community.

"Almost all Erie County Schools operate below that average tax rate with Perkins currently the lowest at 28.52 mils. With total property valuation of $433 million, Perkins does receive more revenue locally with a lower rate of taxation than other school districts."

QUESTION: Can anybody provide a couple of links to the Perkins School voters about the 28.52 mills and $433 million property valuation? Please provide some public records.

Centauri

Election is tomorrow AUGUST 6 TUESDAY

If you don't have time to read all of my links, at least take the time to look at this one to compare schools in the area and state.

http://webapp2.ode.state.oh.us/s...

Class 1 millage is for residential and agriculture properties
Class 2 millage is for industrial and commercial

Compare the schools and see what percentage of the class 1 and class 2 millage is. In school districts with little industrial and commercial properties, you will see a high percentage of class 1 millage.

Things to compare in the above link:
-ASSESSED PROPERTY VALUATION PER PUPIL (TY11 [FY13])
-RES & AGR REAL PROPERTY VALUATION AS % OF TOTAL (TY11 [FY13])
-ALL OTHER REAL PROPERTY VALUATION AS % OF TOTAL (TY11 [FY13])
-PER PUPIL REVENUE RAISED BY ONE MILL PROPERTY TAX (TY11 [FY13])
-TOTAL PROPERTY TAX PER PUPIL (TY11 [FY13])
-CURRENT OPERATING MILLAGE INCLUDING JVS MILLS (TY11 [FY13])
-EFFECTIVE CLASS 1 MILLAGE INCLUDING JVS MILLS (TY11 [FY13])
-EFFECTIVE CLASS 2 MILLAGE INCLUDING JVS MILLS (TY11 [FY13])

Compare schools in the link above. Read the other items of information.

Look at the literature that was handed out by the Perkins Levy Committee. Also look at the information that the committee posted online.

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