Jul 30, 2013

What are the financial particulars of Perkins Schools?

Can you obtain financial information for Perkins Schools? This would help myself and others make an educated decision for the Aug. 6 levy vote. Doug in Perkins Township.

The question sought to answer exactly how much each Perkins Schools official — including teachers, administrators, staff members, and elected school board members — makes in addition to inquiries about the athletics budget.

Perkins Schools treasurer Lisa Crescimano provided the Register with numerous documents detailing this. To view the information, click any one of the files attached.

The district is proposing a 10-year, 6.73 mill emergency levy to taxpayers a week from today. If approved, the levy would generate $2.88 million per year to fund day-to-day operations for Perkins Schools, including employee salaries and benefits.
 
If approved in a week, the levy will cost the owners of a $100,000 home an additional $206 per year. That same homeowner currently pays $998 a year in school taxes.
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Comments

Resident51

I don't think this question has been answered (maybe RMyer can say for sure)...so have staff members taken base pay freezes or have they also taken step freezes?

Bherrle

My understanding is that base pay has been frozen, but not step increases.

EZOB

Starting last year if all the people who favored the levy would have just started "Donating" their money to the school in a special account they would already have a huge some of money. If they would continue to donate double we wouldn't be having this on the Ballot. They remind me of a lot a people who collect money for different charities. They try to make you feel guilty for not giving but donate very little themselves if any.

Centauri

http://app.bta.ohio.gov/06b1075d...

http://app.bta.ohio.gov/06b1087d...

http://app.bta.ohio.gov/06b1101d...

Examples of very low valuations of property:

http://erie.iviewtaxmaps.com/Dat...
Sale: $900,000 (2005) Present valuation: $5,830 CAUV

http://erie.iviewtaxmaps.com/Dat...
Sale: $175,000 (2006) Present valuation: $780 CAUV

http://erie.iviewtaxmaps.com/Dat...
Sales: 1/20/2006 $550,000
1/26/2006 $275,000
Present valuation: $41,420 CAUV

Ohio's CAUV Program is very strict. Proper records and documents must show how the CAUV values are determined.

http://www.tax.ohio.gov/real_pro...

http://www.ohiorevaluation.com/c...

http://pickaway.iviewauditor.com...

http://ofbf.org/news-and-events/...
"What's behind the recent increases in CAUV?"

donutshopguy

I've spent about $300 this year of my own money to benefit the schools. Along with countless hours of free time. I still owe money for my donation towards the stadium renewal.

Folks, I do not have an unlimited supply of money. If the levy passes I will have to review my donations beyond my increased taxes.

The community will decide the levy and I will decide my unforced donations.

Bherrle

I think that applies to all of us Donutshopguy. I too will have less to donate.

Strong Schools ...

I am not rich either but I still try to give as much as I can to the schools. Education is a high priority in my family and we are willing to prioritize and sacrifice to help provide a quality education for our children, neighbors, community, etc. Vote Yes!

Centauri

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...
"The district is proposing a 10-year, 6.73 mill emergency levy to taxpayers. If approved, the levy would generate $2.88 million per year to fund day-to-day operations, including employee salaries and benefits.

If approved, the levy will cost the owners of a $100,000 home an additional $206 per year. That same homeowner currently pays $998 a year."

"including employee salaries and benefits" Interesting. Does anybody dispute the Sandusky Register?

Meanwhile elsewhere, the taxpayers are living on less, reduced wages, higher taxes, higher medical expenses.

Bherrle

Centauri,

It seems like a pretty straightforward statement. Employee salaries and benefits are typically considered operating expenses for any business.

What is there to dispute?

However, I don't rule out that the SR included that comment intentionally to "stir the pot", the idea being that at least some people would automatically assume that statement means "raises." I don't think it can, because the SR wouldn't know that at this point.

Centauri

Candidates, tax increases or whatever. Let the voter beware. Some information is held back on purpose. The information would come out later after the levy passes.

Those sports fees and extracurricular fees seem very high. How do participation fees compare to other schools in Ohio?

EZOB

Centauri,
I think you forgot to put a (1) in front of the first nine. $998.00 is somewhere along the line of PRE 1995 or 1990. Maybe you are looking at the hlaf-year payment?

Centauri

"If approved in a week, the levy will cost the owners of a $100,000 home an additional $206 per year. That same homeowner currently pays $998 a year in school taxes."

The above quote is from the Sandusky Register news article. $1998 might be close for total yearly property taxes. $998 might be the school's share. I didn't research what percentage of property taxes the school gets. I'll leave that to somebody else.

sugar

Those public sector unions run all over the taxpayers, they lie, cheat and steal to get the things they want. These supporters are protecting their big fat salary and benes. Look what public sector unions did to Detroit? Perkins Township the next Detroit. lmao

kal-el

Perkins is the next Detroit? You may want to actually visit Detroit, actually walk around Detroit, before saying something so idiotic. Oh, and the UAW is not a "public sector union," nor are the Teamsters. Not making a comment on them, but please stop making uneducated statements about public sector unions, and comparing Detroit to Perkins Township.

bobshumway92

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believeit

Please remember who the public sector is. These are not just teachers (who by way educate everyone at some point or another), but fireman, police, road construction, and much, much more. Do you realize what it would cost to privatize these services. I would not be surprised if you are not the first to complain when something isn't perfect for you (snow removal etc.) because its YOUR tax dollars at work (as if nobody else pays taxes)

kal-el

+1

Bherrle

+2

sugar

I can complain, it is my money. Think about it, county, city, Fed, property, retail, FICA, medicare, gasoline, phone, utilities, fees, fines, licenses, sound like enough taxes? We are taxed to death. What do you think ate Detroit? Public sector unions in a money laundering scheme with the Democrats.

Strong Schools ...

+3

sugar

Detroit was one of the richest cities in the nation, now it is bankrupt. Think it can't happen in Perkins? You cross Perkins Ave into Perkins Township not the freakin' Hamptons.

Strong Schools ...

Do you live in Perkins? I am proud to live in Perkins!

Strong Schools ...

Oh my goodness...this is not the next Detriot. Our district is financailly responsible. You can't blame the teacher's unions for this problem. They are totally aware of the financial situation and have tried to help. Support the Students!

sugar

Amazing, as if living somewhere gives credibility. If you were fiscally responsible you would be looking at all residents and how a tax increase effects them, but instead you are only looking at how it effects you. There are people who cannot afford for their taxes to go up. They have had no wage or "step increases" for years. Like I said: selfish motives here.

EZOB

Centauri,
Your correct! I missed the school tax part and that is obviously what we are talking about. Another way to define the levy is that they are asking for a 20% increase in school taxes.

donutshopguy

sugar,

I hate to agree but you hit the nail on the head with your assessment. Might take a while but the end you speak of is inevitable. Public service jobs can only be funded through taxing those who don't work in public employment.

This area is in a transition from heavy industry to tourism. The overall rate of pay in this new industry is considerably less. The money available for taxes is diminishing in the private industry paychecks.

It's just a matter of time before you see a similar picture as Detroit.

Strong Schools ...

Donutshopguy,

I am sad that you are still considering voting no for the levy. I thought you were going to vote yes and try to get a new board that represents our community. I am pretty sure you have family involved with the schools and I know you have been apart of the schools as well. Please do not blame our children for the board. If you are that upset, vote the two board members out in November and get different community members on the board. It is time to pass a levy in our district and we have to pass this levy to get the rollback. It is wiser and cheaper to pass this levy now.

Bherrle

Donutshopguy,

I try not to use data that doesn't paint the whole picture. Mostly because, if I do, then I'm first off fooling myself. Secondly, I'm opening myself up to someone filling in the rest of picture. Am perfect at that? Probably not, but if I fail, when I fail, it's not intentional. 15th green asked for the teachers salary data. Claims were being made the Perkins teachers were the highest paid. The data that has already been made very public doesn't support that. But yet there were some still claiming it so.

You posted earlier today or yesterday that you are now voting no because the State was taking away the Homestead exemption, and the county is raising sales tax. The Homestead Exemption would still apply to this levy. If this levy fails, the levy that is likely to be put on the November ballot will not qualify for it, and therefore at the same millage, will cost us 12.5% more. At some point, we are going to have to pass a levy, aren't we? The district can't survive forever without raising millage, can it?

We all have decisions to make about where to spend our money. I'll spend less on items with sales tax, as much as I can. I think the county is being short-sited, thinking they will collect more revenue. Perhaps they will because of tourism. But they won't get it from me.

You've argued before that the state coming in an taking over the district wouldn't be as bad as we think. Do we really want that? They are already abandoning funding the schools, and ignore the seriously flawed funding system. Do we want those same people running our schools? Not to mention, I believe that when the state takes over, they can raise the millage with no public vote. Correct me if I am wrong.

Resident51

You are most definitely wrong. The state cannot raise millage without a public vote.

If there is a state takeover, a new board is created with representatives from the district, community and Department of Education. The district will continue to operate borrowing "ahead"...getting money they would have eventually received (like an advance in your paycheck). They have to continue to either make cuts and/or pass a levy until the forecast is in the black again.

My guess is, this new board would not be so supportive of the plan in place.

Schools do not "close" so Gunner's claim Perkins will cease to exist is false. It just doesn't happen.

I say bring on the state!!

Bherrle

Thank you for the clarification.

That statement is being taken out of context. It was made to illustrate that the Perkins district, as it exists today and has existed for years, will no longer exist. He was speaking to breadth and quality of education being offered.

donutshopguy

Bherrle,

I don't believe that statement was taken out of context . Mr. Gunner was trying to use a similar exaggeration that the township did with their outlandish threat of their will be no police department if the levy didn't pass. The township got away with their lie. Mr. Gunner has not.

Strong Schools ...

We need to have a strong fire department, police department, and schools to keep our community competitive. People move here because of our schools and we need to take care of our students. We should want our community to flourish and we want our home values to continue to rise. Support the Students and our community. Think long term!

sugar

Let's be blunt, people move and want their kids to go to school there because of race.

Edwin Ison

Calling BS on that one Herrle! I heard what Buddha said, and the context in which it was said.
Heil Herrle! Names! I want names!

Bherrle

Call BS all you want, you have your opinion, and you obviously want to spin things to make Gunner look bad.

Unless, wait, are you a mind reader?

Centauri

Earlier, I asked how do participation fees compare to other schools in Ohio? Nobody answered so I spent a few minutes looking up the information.

http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/...
"The Ohio High School Athletic Association estimates that nearly half of Ohio schools charged students fees to participate in school sports in the 2010-11 school year. That practice is often called “pay-to play.”
The athletic association estimates that the average participation fee in 2010-11 was $140."

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/...
"On top of that, an increasing percentage of districts make students pay to participate in sports and clubs. Strongsville is charging $100 per student athlete for each sport. But in Medina the price tag is $660, in Brecksville-Broadview Heights it ranges up to $675, and in Parma it could go over $1,000 depending on the size of the team."

http://theweek.com/article/index...
"Public schools' 'pay to play' fees: By the numbers"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bobc...
"Will 'Pay to Play' Become A Permanent Part of School Sports?"

I could go on with more links. Times have changed. Industry has left the Erie County, Ohio area. Gone are the $30+ per hour autoworker jobs. Gone are the $20+ per hour factory jobs. Some $20 per hour jobs are still around for now.

Many schools in Ohio now charge "pay to play" fees. It is becoming a common practice in schools in Ohio and across the nation. You have to accept reality. The good paying private sector jobs are gone and will not return. Change has come and people must accept it. People in the private sector accepted the loss of jobs for the past 30 years.

The times they are a-changin'

Centauri

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n...
"At Huber Heights City Schools, high school and middle school students are seeing their fees increase from $125 per sport for 2010-11, to $175 in 2011-12, to $225 for next school year. There also will be a family cap of $550."

"According to Superintendent Nick Verhoff, each Beavercreek High School sport will increase from $100 to $300, each middle school sport from $70 to $200, and the family maximum fee will go from $250 to $750."

"If Tipp City’s levy passes, its fees will stay at $100 per high school sport and $75 per middle school sport, with a family maximum of $350; if the levy fails, the fees will increase to $150 and $100, respectively, with a family cap of $500."

"Smerz said if Beavercreek or any district continues to raise fees, they will lose athletes.
He cited what happened at Medina City Schools, which raised its fees from $150 per athlete to $660 per sport after its levy failed in 2009. In response, the district reported a 10 percent decline in athletic participation in the first year and a 21 percent decrease through this spring.
Medina has since reduced its fees to $330 per sport."

kal-el

Just got a notice from my cable company that my bill is going up $5.99/month. Pretty sure I wasn't given an opportunity to vote on that.

Then the weirdest thing happened - gas was $3.20 on Tuesday. Now it's $3.60. Don't remember getting to vote on that, either.

One time I went to a McDonalds in Columbus and a large black coffee was like 50c more expensive than it is here. Why didn't someone check with me first?

Hmmm...I guess people who work at the cable company, gas station, and McDonalds are horrible, greedy people...

bobshumway92

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Pirate Mom

Why the name calling? You seem to have run out of "facts". I hope you don't mind filthy public union employees putting out your house when it's on fire or saving your life in any situation. You sure do mind them teaching your kids! Yikes!

Bherrle

Pirate Mom,

Bobby hasn't run out of facts, it doesn't appear that he has any to start with. Personal attack and name calling seem to be his thing, over and over again.

Bob - send us your address. We'll make sure the slime balls don't come to put out the fire at your house, protect you in the event of a crime, or even remove the snow from the street you live on.

Edwin Ison

Pretty sure Bob is entitled to those services regardless of his stance on unions!
Why would you suggest otherwise?
p.s. I am a union worker and Bob does raise some valid points, minus the PC rhetoric.

Bherrle

His comment was about "filthy public union employees", not just the union itself. Yes, he is entitled to those services, I was just trying to make a point. If he really thinks they are that bad, then maybe he doesn't want their services.

Don't get me wrong, I as well have my issues with unions, but that is for another day.

Edwin Ison

You need to toughen up dude.
Bobby is representative of more Perkins voters than you realize.... of course you have only been here two years and are on the uppity yuppy fasttrack.

sugar

Such drama.

donutshopguy

All of those examples are for profit companies . We are talking public employees and institutions that are only funded through taxes. I have a right to use or not use those private services or companies . I want the same option with public employees and services ....that's called a vote.

kal-el

oh...but don't folks like you say "schools should run like a business?" What do businesses do when their costs increase? That's right, they pass that cost on to customers.

People like you, donutshopguy, constantly talk out of both sides of your mouth. You want them to operate like a business when it suites you, but want them to be a public service when that suites you.

Reminds me of Fox "News" when the whole raising taxes on the rich debate was going on. When it suited the plutocrats, $250,000/yr "wasn't a lot of money, wasn't 'rich'" But if a teacher makes $65,000/yr, well...that's fleecing the public.

donutshopguy

Kal-el,

I'm not a customer of the school. Why should I have to pay more?

kal-el

Do you have a job? Own a business? Do any of the Perkins school employees spend dollars at you place of business? What happens then they are laid off? Less money in your pocket.

Did you attend school? Didn't someone pay your way?

Do you enjoy living in a well-ordered society? Do you want to have economic prosperity in your community? Where do you think that starts?

donutshopguy

1. yes
2. yes
3. no
4. doesn't change my income at all
5. do you mean college ?
6. I paid my own way
7. yes
8. yes
9. with your family

kal-el

#4 Is your business in Perkins township? If the school goes downhill and educated households permanently leave, how do you think it will affect your business?

#9 - your family creates economic prosperity in the community? You must own KBI.

Strong Schools ...

Awww, come on donutshopguy! Someone had to pay for you and your family to get an education. Someone believed in you and thought highly enough to pay a little extra out of their pocket so you could get an education and use that to better your future. We need to show our students that they live in a community that believes in them and their education. Support the students and vote yes! Are you going to run for the board?

kal-el

By the way...all of my examples were items of "inelastic demand," meaning those are items that, no matter the cost, people will still buy. Other examples are water, electricity, natural gas, phone service, waste management, etc.

SOOO.... if you had the opportunity to vote on the price of gas, cable, and coffee, how would you vote?

Hence, our system of voting to increase our own taxes is beyond stupid. That is why the Founders made us a Republic and not a Democracy.

donutshopguy

Bherrle,

With the added burden of taxation from the state and county I have revised my vote .

I only have a limited amount of money to live on . The state and county took that money before the school could get it.

The never ending government and public institutions thirst for money has come to an end in my eyes.

Sorry if that bothers you. Everyone will reach my point at some time in their lives.

The well is dry .

Bherrle

DSG,

Your vote is your vote, for your reasons. Doesn't matter if it bothers me or not.

PyrkinsPyrate

Please think about the following points when weighing the lies, misinformation, and falsehoods that the levy supporters have been presenting as their fear mongering.
1. The Perkins teachers claim to have accepted wage freezes. They are still getting step raises. Let's take a random teacher, and from Buckeyeinstitute.org teacher salaries we can see that Perkin's Middle School teacher Robert E Myer's salary went from $52,881 in 2010 to $55,380 in 2011 and $57,086 in 2012. It seems he has gotten a substantial raise every year, taxpayers, have you????
The Levy Supporters mislead with the statement that Perkins has operated with "No new Money" for 18 years or whatever. This is a blatant lie. The amount of money the schools receive and spend have gone up consistently year after year. http://febp.newamerica.net/k12/O...

The real facts are that the Board of Education and Dr Gunner have disregarded the voice of the voters who rejected their grandoise plans to build their new academy. They will keep pushing to build their new schools and have no problem lying to achieve that goal. They have wasted 3 million dollars of borrowed money to plan this school they want to build. Sadly to preserve our property and prevent high taxes we are forced to "Punish the kids" by voting no in order to stop the BOE and Gunner because we have to wait to November to throw the board out. Do not feel sorry about voting no, it is just a harsh economic reality that our area is in decline and the average citizen does not have a choice to voluntarily raise their Taxes, and as we must live within our means so must the school board and teachers. They can tritely claim it is the cost of Pizza night or Starbucks and suggest how you can cut corners to afford more taxes for their luxuries (keep in mind they like to distort the real costs as in it is only $6 more in taxes per month for a $25,000 home).
They have lied. They have insulted the Democratic Process. Their paid mouthpiece asserts that we will have to eventually raise our taxes. They are wrong, we need to vote "No" and follow up by getting rid of Gunner and this reckless board that has ignored our clear message of "we can not afford a new school", wasted our money on computers for every child, built a palatial stadium while faced with the "crisis" they created, and move full speed forward with their building plans while refusing to clearly shelve the building project and instead choose to hide behind vague open ended terms. They lie, they break laws (such as sending out taxpayer funded propaganda), these people do not deserve any more of our money. Let your kids learn some valuable life lessons and see how reality looks.

PyrkinsPyrate

I should have added that the Perkins BOE is doing their best to run off KBI by attempting to stick one of the last good paying employers in the area with much higher taxes. Is this part of looking out for our community?

bobshumway92

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Pirate Mom

Bob,
Get your college degree out, apply for a teaching job at Perkins, and you can make easy money like the other Bob.

Bherrle

Wow Pyrate. I don't have it in me to respond tonight. Talk to ya tomorrow. Your comments are laced with inaccuracies, misleading info, and your own very negative view of things.

I will ask this tonight. Is anyone and everyone in the normal business world, in this area, who has gotten raises over the last few years, are they bad people too? Should they feel bad because not all of us are getting raises, or have even been able to keep jobs? If your gonna criticize a specific teacher (very classy by the way), then start pointing out everyone in the Northern Ohio economy who has done well the last few years.

Remember, I recently lost a job. The last thing I will do is criticize what our teachers and administrators make. If I want one of those jobs, at that pay, then it's my responsibility to go get it.

Strong Schools ...

You have so many wrong statements that I do not even know where to begin! No one has lied in this campaign. Stop being bitter and do your research. Vote yes and show our youth that we care about their education and future!

kal-el

Bherrle,

Has anyone on the levy committee done a tax analysis of the average household tax burden now compared to...say...30 years ago? Since taxes at the state and federal level keep being cut...and local taxes keep going up proportionally...those might be some enlightening numbers if anyone can compile them.

kal-el

Pyrkins Pirate,

We know what good education looks like. Finland & Singapore are the best in the world. Teachers in those countries make similar salaries to doctors and lawyers.

You have to decide what kind of country you want to live in, and if you want the next generation to be better than the current one. It appears we are suffering from the "3rd generation syndrome." The first generation pioneered the Perkins Schools, the second generation grew and expanded it; the third generation, who inherited it, don't appreciate the builders or the growers, their monetary sacrifices, or the mission of the organization...hell, it was always there for them for "free"

Well, like the 3rd generation syndrome in business, this 3rd generation is about to lose Perkins Schools due to apathy, neglect, and scapegoating.

PyrkinsPyrate

You think the lawyers and doctors in Finland agree with the wage structure? Keep in mind that the people entering the education field in Finland are among the highest ability students seeking a very competitive program whereas in the USA teachers are often some of the least capable and intelligent of high school students.

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2012/...
http://politicalcalculations.blo...

The best and most clear table on the subject:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/iq...

fifteenthgreen

What are the test scores in Finland and Singapore compared to Perkins "effective" ranking?

donutshopguy

kal-el,

"Lose Perkins Schools" You have got to be kidding me.

We as citizens are obligated to provide education for our children. That issue is not in question.

It's the level of education the community believes necessary and the cost of that education is what this is all about.

kal-el

Donut...it was a metaphor. When you reduce a once-proud institution and community to the bare bones, where the parents of the kids who do the most are punished financially and the kids of the poorer parents are sent home to play video games or find "other" things to occupy their time...you will end up paying for it. Either in your property value, crime, the opportunities of your children to get jobs, your personal freedom, ability to do business, or paying for more cops and firemen.

There is nothing more American than publicly funded education.

“The whole people must take upon themselves the education of the whole people and be willing to bear the expenses of it. There should not be a district of one mile square, without a school in it, not founded by a charitable individual, but maintained at the public expense of the people themselves.” - Founding Father and President John Adams

Bherrle

Well stated kal-el.

Strong Schools ...

I believe that educating our youth should be a top priority. I am willing to pay more for my children and other people's children to have a better future. We live in a district that prides themselves on educating a well rounded students. This includes opportunities in academics, arts, and athetics. The cost of education will go up becaise the state has cut our funding and let's be honest...it is time to pass a levy in our district. We want to create responsible citizens that will be successful and give back to their communtiy. Support the students and vote yes!

Centauri

"Has anyone on the levy committee done a tax analysis of the average household tax burden now compared to...say...30 years ago?"

How about looking at some of the property valuations in Erie County, Ohio. How do some properties drop in value (land and improvements) from 1991 to present (22 years) while some properties increase over 300%. Some people are being over-charged for property taxes and others get a very deep discount. The school should have looked into that.

kal-el

The schools don't have much choice in how they seek revenue. How about directing your comments to the folks in Columbus and stop blaming the schools for things they can't control?

donutshopguy

kal-el,

The state is in the same boat as the schools. They only operate with revenue from taxation. All public governments and institutions derive their income from the same source...taxpayers.

If you read any of my previous posts I believe the federal, state, county and local institutions, like schools, are out of control.

To me, the whole public service sector is one entity. They are not sustainable without tax dollars.

It's time for them all to curb spending.

kal-el

"They only operate with revenue from taxation. "

DUH.

"are out of control."

Please provide actual evidence to support that comment as it relates to public schools in Ohio, and specifically Perkins. They haven't passed a new school levy in how many years? 18? And they're "out of control?"

Strong Schools ...

Why are the schools the blame for everything? We have the lowest millage rate in Erie County...has the community looked at that? Vote Yes!

EZOB

kal-el,
Pass the levy and you might be paying the same for a cup of coffe here. You are right on the prices. Columbus most expensive, Sandusky next, Bucyrus was the cheapest and Woodville Rd. in Toledo was cheap. You are right about Perkins Schools being "In Business". They are "In Business" to give us "The Business". I'll admit, they have done a real good job in the past of giving us the Business. Teachers, Firemen, Cops, they have some of the highest paid jobs in the township. I'm not jealous but just asking, shouldn't they feel just a little guilty trying to suck more money from people who make less? I doubt that there is a teacher who has taught a couple years that lives in less than a 150,000 dollar home. I know you pay more taxes but we are borderline and every increase pushes us closer to the edge.

kal-el

EZ..

I have no issues with people who vote no because they truly can't afford it. My problem is with individuals on here who assign nefarious motives to teachers, name call, stereotype, and generally hate on the people who take care of our children in the face of mountains of mandates and regulations.

swimfan

Watch out Perkins....you are looking to become a mini Detroit. Teachers are getting yearly pay increases with the built in step...they say that this is not a raise but it is...funny math I guess. You never advertise this and the public does not know about this. The unions are going to hurt you in the long run...when asked about the double salary the swim coach receives because he coaches the boys and girls teams (even though they practice and compete together) the answer was because this is what the unions agreed upon. You talk about the value of the homes going down in Perkins Townships...IT DOESN'T MATTER...YOU HAVE OPEN ENROLLMENT. Why would I live in Perkins Township anyway. This whole deal is going toself destructing this community. You need to stop this or you will all be sorry. We have enough lying and cheating throughout the world. You (the Board and Mr. Gunner) need to stop and wake up. YOU DO NOT NEED A NEW SCHOOL.

Strong Schools ...

The teachers have taken a pay freeze for three years and have paid a lot more into their insurance. They are aware of the financial situation and try to help as much as possible. You can't blame our financial situation on the teachers! The state has cut funding and it is time to pass a levy in our community!

samiam

According to the August 2013 Perkins Pirate newsletter (which was paid for by our tax dollars) there are two charts comparing nine area school districts, one about starting salaries for teachers and one about average teacher salaries. Perkins is 2nd highest on the starting salaries chart and 3rd on the average salaries chart.

Strong Schools ...

The district starts the teaching salaries a little higher because the district wants the best teachers in their schools. We have to stay competitive in order to get amazing educators to provide a quality education. We get what we pay for and I am happy Perkins pays a little more to get talent in their schools. Vote Yes!

swimfan

Show me a job where you get paid extra for taking out the garbage, making the coffee, etc. etc. etc. Why are we paying extra for all of these supplements? I thought that if you were a music teacher, you would get paid to teach music which includes concerts etc. Once again, the unions are in control.

Strong Schools ...

What are you talking about??? Who gets paid to make coffee? Again. you are trying to start drama. Our music teachers do a fantastic job and they put in a lot of extra work without getting paid for it.

donutshopguy

Hey Matt,

You have got to admit these Perkins School levy blogs are the top in number of comments. They have always been between 200 to 500 comments each.

They have a higher readership and participation than death, murder and pillage. Who would have thought? I'd have your advertising people increase your rates when a Perkins School story is published.

Thank you for the opportunity to voice my opinions. I can reach more people with this means than attending a controlled school board meeting where my time and content are limited .

fifteenthgreen

Agree DSG.

Strong Schools ...

Hey Matt,

Get your facts straight in the paper so we don't have to fix your mistakes on this blog. I will not thank you until you start publishing factual information and quotes. I do believe you intensionally try to hurt our district and cause problems in our community. People are worried about how much the teachers and administrators get paid but I want to know how much you get paid to mess up every Perkins story you publish?

Wald

I have a question about the pro-levy flyer I got in the mail yesterday. It says that I will be paying 12.5% more if the August vote doesn't pass because of Ohio HB 53. This is only if the August levy fails and then passes later on, right? If the levy never passes, I won't be paying 12.5% more, right? I'm just trying to sort out the facts from the half-truths and scare tactics like Bherrle does.

Lil DAB

They are telling you the truth but in a way to scare you.
"Local governments and schools heading for the ballot in November to ask voters to support new or replacement levies will have to tell them that the price tags attached will be higher than they were previously told. The taxpayer will pay the entire tab for any new taxes approved."

So you will be paying 12.5% more regardless on your property tax because the state will not be subsidizing that cost anymore. Add onto that any NEW tax millage and you will be paying that much MORE!

Under the rollback program, the state pays the first 10 percent of the tax bill for all property owners plus 2.5 percent for owner-occupied homes. The state will continue to pay the tab on existing levies and their renewals but will no longer subsidize new levies. If Perkins Aug levy fails, trying to get a NEW one passed starting in November will cost more; "taxpayers will pay more than they have in the past. … People will be upset about it."

Local governments and schools heading for the ballot in November to ask voters to support new or replacement levies will have to tell them that the price tags attached will be higher than they were previously told.

The taxpayer will pay the entire tab for any ☼NEW taxes approved. The state will continue to pay the tab on ☼existing levies and their ☼renewals but will NO LONGER subsidize ☼NEW levies.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Polit...

Lil DAB

If I got that wrong or it needs clarified even more, please do! Thats where transparency is helpful. Seems the LESS we are told and understand, the better chance these administrations have of sneaking levies past us!

Strong Schools ...

Perkins will have to pass a levy sometime and it is better to pass it now so we can get the rollback. In the budget bill just passed by the Ohio Legislature and signed by Governor Kasich, both the 10% Rollback and 2.5% Homestead exemption have been eliminated starting with new and/or replacement levies beginning in November 2013. Any new or replacement levy placed on the ballot starting in November 2013, the state of Ohio will no longer reimburse the local government agency or school for the 12.5 percent included in the rollback and homestead listed above. Existing levies that are renewed will continue to see the 12.5% reimbursed by the state. If the Perkins levy does not pass in August, to raise the same amount of money locally will cost the local taxpayers an additional 12.5% for a November levy of the same millage. Pass it now and save money in the future! Support the students!

sugar

Another reason to vote no! Retirees in the future will have to pay more in property taxes then those who are already retired, why burden themselves with more. The schools spending party is over.

EZOB

My wife just read some of these blogs for the first time. She votes all the time but rarely discusses any of the issues. She commented that the fact teachers are telling the students how their parents should vote is reason enough to make Her vote "NO". Created more negativity when they rang our bell beside the "No Soliciting" sign.

kal-el

She read the blogs "for the first time" but says teachers are telling students how their parents should vote?

It's August 2. School isn't in session. So...how is this happening, exactly?

Strong Schools ...

The teachers educate the students. Hopefully the students are going home and discussing the factual information. My children have not told me how to vote but they are very informed and know a lot more about their district. I am glad the teachers are educating the students on the facts. They are not telling the students to tell their parents how to vote!

sugar

It's called INDOCTRINATION.

AllTheAnswers

This site has become much more informative than any board meeting could. Different points of view shared by a diverse community. When it comes to ones' money, folks are very passionate.
This just leads to the point, that if this levy passes, an outside volunteer board needs to be created. Not only do the districts finances have to be audited by an outside, independent group, personnel and buildings need to be discussed by a representative group. One could ask "isn't this our BOE"? Consider that the community recently twice turned down a new HS plan (approximately 65% of the community said NO). Money was then shifted. When the Super recommended the move to inside millage, what was the BOE vote? I believe 5-0. How can 65% of the community say NO, but 100% of our representative (BOE) say YES? Do they truly represent the taxpayer? Do they have the same financial issues we, the community, have? Do they worry about day-to-day living expenses. A quick check on their collective home values shows $1,798,790 between their five homes. A low of $154,550 and a high of $826,940 with an average BOE home value of $359,758. Do they REALLY understand our financial pain? I restate that our family will vote yes as we see the value of a strong school for this community. But there is no question that a volunteer group needs to form to oversee this district. I would think that the BOE and Gunner are financially out of touch.

samiam

great post.

Strong Schools ...

I like your post. Have you considered running for the board or do you know someone that will?

donutshopguy

There were many Letters to the Editor in today's paper. Some for and some against the upcoming levy.

But what caught me by surprise was the editor's note.

"The Perkins stadium project was paid for by private donations, according to school officials."

So who is trying to pull the wool over who's eyes? What Perkins officials are so naive to try this baseless lie?

This is not the way to pass a levy. The credibility of the school system and their leaders are now in question. Can we trust any information presented by these people?

bobshumway92

No.

Bherrle

DSG,

I haven't read the letters yet, but I would find it very hard to believe that any school official made that exact statement. It is a known fact that it was a combo of taxpayer money and private donations.

Just because they print it, doesn't mean it's true. Perhaps the SR (Editorial Board / Editor's Note) is trying to pull the wool, stir the pot. Or perhaps it is an incorrect, incomplete statement, a mistake.

I think we need to slow down and find out where that exact statement is coming from. Was it a school official, or are those the the SR Editor's words? If it's the SR's words, then it's not fair to direct criticism at the school, and, I think we need to question why the SR would print that kind of statement.

Mr. Westerhold or someone at the SR, can you please comment on the source of that statement?

Wald

It is well-documented that Perkins Schools spent $1.7 million of the unethically-moved operational funds to build the new stadium. For the Register to print anything to the contrary is incompetent at best and dishonest/unprofessional at worst.

bobshumway92

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Bherrle

Wrong.

It is well-documented that Perkins Schools spent $1.7 million, and the Athletic Boosters secured $1.7 million, to fund the $3.4 million. The SR published this direct answer from Dr. Gunner on February 22nd, 2013, see one of Centauri's links.

The Editor's Note today is very disturbing. I'd like to believe it was an honest mistake by the SR, and until shown otherwise I won't assume otherwise. There's no way a Perkins official made that statement.

Oh yeah, the wrong part. It was not unethical. It was completely within the board's right to do so. It was done to provide facilities monies. Does that mean new buildings? Maybe, maybe not.

A lot of folks against the levy are still representing the buildings issues as a decision that is already made. Even after the board has stated publicly that they will not make any final decisions until after the November elections. What gives? How can many of you still say that?

What happened to those who stated, if that if BOE would agree to wait until after November on the buildings, they could get a levy passed. That statement seems to be forgotten by many of you. You asked for a definition of what financial stability means, and they spelled it out. But yet, the criticism keeps coming, it seems that no "No Voter" minds have been changed, at least of those who blog. Those of you who constantly criticize and only criticize (and that's not all no voters, such as Donutshopguy), when was the last time you remember being happy about the Super and the board of Perkins? How far back do you have to go?

I'm going to dig into the numbers tomorrow that are being presented as Net profit has dropped 170%. As much as I don't have the time to do it right now, I will. Good night all.

Bherrle

One more question - how many of you who constantly criticize actually live in Perkins? I know of at least one who does not.

Edwin Ison

You should get off this thread and go play with your kids.... or chase your wife around the house...jeez.

Bherrle

Why is that Edwin? I'm pointing that a certain group of no voters are making statements, and then not backing them up with action when the board does what they ask. Seems to me they will always criticize, no matter what. They continue to criticize from different angles. Facts are presented to put one thing down, so they come up with something else.

I think that needs to pointed out to those who read but don't post, especially those who are still trying to decide how to vote. Playing with my kids and chasing the wife will have to wait a few days. This is a pivitol moment in the district's history.

Edwin Ison

A new school building is more important than your kids? Wow.

Bherrle

There you go, putting words in my mouth again. Did I ever say that? No, I did not.

Wald

The public voted NO to a new building. The BOE and Gunner took the money anyway out of the operating funds, causing a deficit. We all get that it was legal, but taking money from funds earmarked for something else after you were told NO is unethical in my book. There's no argument you can make to change my opinion. My family and I are voting NO.

Strong Schools ...

The paper gets a lot wrong. Go to the district website to find out information. There have been a lot of questions asked and answered. Or when in doubt, call the board office.

donutshopguy

Bherrle,

You are the 500th poster on this blog. Congratulations, you win a free meal, paid for by me. Don't you just love a free unencumbered dialog on a subject we all have a vested interest in.

E-mail me a time and a place. My treat.

Bherrle

Ok

donutshopguy

Oops! Maybe the 500th post was bobshumway92. You guys decide. My offer is still open.

Edwin Ison

Buy em both dinner, wth?

donutshopguy

Edwin,

Great idea. It would be quite a meal with a staunch "yes" and "no' voters at the table.

Bherrle

Dinner with however many want to come is fine with me.

Edwin Ison

Haha..... sounds fun :)

Edwin Ison

Westerhold should hook you guys up with some food at a restaurant.

EZOB

DSG,
Count me inb and I'll gladly split the cost!

donutshopguy

We might have to rent a banquet room somewhere if this keeps up.

Maybe this will be the advisory council to the school board.

fifteenthgreen
donutshopguy

15G,

You make me laugh.

fifteenthgreen

Scary stuff, DSG. The inmates are literally running the asylum!

donutshopguy

That's been happening for decades in the public service field. No one has been paying attention.

That's why you end up with a bankrupt Detroit.

TellTheTruth

Took it upon myself to call the Register editor's office and ask that the editor's note in today's paper that the Perkins stadium was built by private donations be corrected on the editorial page.

Most disturbing to me is that the 3.5 million dollar loan to pay for the BOE's share of the stadium cost is being paid for by the inside millage taxes moved to permanent improvement by the BOE. Add to that the fees paid to architects for school construction the taxpayers voted down by 65% and we are told we are nonsupportive of our students if we vote no to giving more money for the Supt and BOE to squander. Students are being used as pawns in this game!

kal-el

Just curious - where were you when the Board had the required public hearings prior to move the inside millage?

Did the Register cover those board meetings?

fredinperkins

At the September 14, 2011 BOE meeting a questioned was posed as to the cost of the new stadium. Mr. Gunner replied that it would cost approximately $2 million with $1.7 million raised by private donations.

Strong Schools ...

The athletic stadium was a joint effort of the Booster Organizations (Athletic and Band) and the Board of Education. The cost was $3.4 million, half of the cost ($1.7 million) was paid by community donations organized and raised by the Booster organizations. The stadium was renovated because the bleachers were unsafe, a liability so great that our insurance company indicated in may withdraw our insurance coverage for the stadium, the track was in need of a complete rebuild, and the football field needed a complete rebuild or turf. All of these issues were safety and liability issues facing the school district. For two years our track teams had to practice and have all of their meets at away locations. The estimated cost to replace the bleachers, reconstruct the track from the ground up, and to fix or place turf on the football field was approximately $1.5 - $1.7 million dollars. The Board agreed to support the Booster effort and share in the cost to upgrade the facility because the actual Board expenditures to simply fix the existing facilities would cost approximately the same either way. In this way, the taxpayer cost was enhanced by the generosity of the Booster organizations and all of the community members who donated to the project.

donutshopguy

Will the Register divulge who gave that information to the newspaper. Somebody's lying.

It's either the paper or the school.

Strong Schools ...

The paper is worng...there have been a lot of mistakes in their articles regarding this levy and Perkins Schools. I go to a lot of the board meetings and the paper seems to mess up the quotes, too. When we call the editor, he apologizes, but the mistakes are still occuring. When in doubt, call the board office and ask Dr. Gunner your questions.

TellTheTruth

Similar to telling the kids the laptop computers were paid for by a grant!

Strong Schools ...

The district’s most recent 3-year lease for laptops cost $1.5 million dollars, approximately $900 per laptop or $300 per laptop for each year. We received almost $350 per laptop for our trade in of previous laptops, or about one-third the original purchase price. Thus, the net cost was less than $1 million for the three-year lease. We typically keep the laptops for four years before trading them in on updated models. Our actual annual cost over the four-year period is somewhere around $250,000 when trade-in value and the four year period is considered. Prior to the laptop program the district was spending approximately $250,000 a year on technology hardware without an effective plan or direction for these purchases. By initiating the laptop program, we did not significantly increase our annual technology hardware expenditures, but focused them on a comprehensive plan for integration of the technology into all students and staffs’ hands to increase educational effectiveness.

The students have to have technology. It is apart of their "world" and they need to be exposed to the technological programs to stay competitive in the real world.

Centauri

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...
"How much was spent out-of-pocket on the new Perkins stadium?"
"The bids on the stadium project came in a $3.4 million. The athletic boosters donated $1.7 million in money or in-kind contributions towards the project. The Board paid the other $1.7 million for the completion of the project."

http://sanduskytalks.com/index.p...
"Critics of the project lambasted school officials about a year ago when a stadium-based fundraising campaign launched. To build the stadium, school administrators had to collect $1.7 million in private donations, or about half of the $3.4 million total price tag. The remaining funds had to come from local dollars produced through levies supported by township taxpayers."

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...
"Perkins Schools is taking out a $3.6 million loan from Citizens Bank to move ahead with plans for a new school for grades 7-12."
"The interest rate on the five-year loan is 2.79 percent, with no penalty for early repayment, said Lisa Crescimano, Perkins Schools treasurer."

Centauri

"The athletic boosters donated $1.7 million in money or in-kind contributions towards the project."

Where did the athletic boosters get $1.7 million? Was it borrowed?

Centauri

http://www.perkins.k12.oh.us/lev...

Question: Loan taken out by District

There are negative public comments going around about a $3 million loan taken out from Citizens Bank to design and plan the new building. What are the facts behind this loan, if it exists?

Answer:

The Board took a $3.5 million loan from Citizen Bank over a 5 year period to pay for the architectural fees associated with the design of the new stadium, examination of renovation costs of high school, and the design of a new 7-12 school facility. This loan is to be paid off from revenue generated from the “Inside Millage” moved to the Permanent Improvement fund.

PLEASE NOTE from above: "This loan is to be paid off from revenue generated from the “Inside Millage”"

sugar

I want to come to the dinner, especially if provided by Mr. Westerhold, he owes me.

fifteenthgreen
RMyer

You must have missed the June 12 board meeting or possibly misread the board meeting notes posted on the district website where the board took the action you refer to. Mr. Miller and 13 other teachers were laid off effective August 1. If the levy is passed, those 14 teachers will be returned to their positions as previously stated by the board. No RIF'd position is "safe regardless". Additionally, teachers who lose teaching positions due to financial reasons can still be hired to fill supplemental positions. Perhaps this is what is causing the confusion. I hope this explanation is helpful. Have a pleasant evening.

fifteenthgreen

Thank you, RMyer. So if an individual can be hired to fill a supplemental position, when do these positions officially get filled and was it properly posted so others in the district and community could apply? It's August 2nd and laid off teachers are still working in their official capacity. Plus, do their benefits extend past August 1st? Either way, it's terrible that we're in this position.

RMyer

This is it for me this evening. I believe the supplemental positions have been handled as per proper procedure. If you have further questions, the treasurer or communications director can provide you with when the board took action for summer supplementals and how you can apply for open supplemental positions in the future. Not sure what you mean by teachers "still working in their official capacity." If a teacher is working in a supplemental position, he or she is performing the duties for that supplemental. The treasurer could also answer your question regarding benefits for RIF'd teachers. I agree-it is terrible and frustrating that school districts all across Ohio have to be in this position so often. I hope you have or will contact your elected legislator and governor to let them know of your frustration.

Wald

Did the Editor's Note in today's paper correct yesterday's stadium project comment? What did it say?

citizen

Jim Gunner's failed leadership:

Revenue up 13%, net income plummets 170%. Perkins Schools go from making annual profits of $1 million+ to, under Gunner's miserably failed leadership, to losses of $1 million+, even with revenue increases.

Perkins Schools can not financially fund their operations at the current level. As their response, Gunner moves millions of dollars from operations into a permanent improvement fund to building new buildings and facilities. And then takes out a $3 million loan to design and plan the new facilities.

If this was the result/action of a business executive, they'd be gone in a second. Instead, Perkins Board pays Gunner a $125k+ salary to lead the district to profit declines of 170% with revenue increases!

And as the local journalists and self-proclaimed "watchdogs", the Register will not ask or report on any of these issues. Instead, they are the PR arm of the Tax Levy Committee and endorse the tax increase!

Boy, if the City of Sandusky had revenue growth of 13%, and Nicole Ard led and managed the City to a 170% profit decline in the same time period, Westerhold would have his people all over it. Perkins Schools- not a word- just a tax increase endorsement.

Strong Schools ...

The state has cut funding from Perkins Local Schools. In fact they have cut over 2 million dollars from the district and there still could be more cuts.

Mr. Gunner has taken a pay freeze for three years and has agreed to a pay freeze for a forth year like all administrators in the district. In addition to the pay freeze, Mr. Gunner and all administrators have agreed to significant changes to their insurance program that have shifted cost from the district to the individual administrators. Like many community members and other employees, Mr. Gunner has also made significant personal contributions to the stadium renovation and recent levy campaigns. One individual through a pay reduction cannot solve the overall financial problems faced by the school district.

Dr. Gunner has done a great jog helping our district financially. He was told his first year that the school district would have to go on the ballot and he has kept us off the ballot for five years due to his ideas. Perkins is financially responsible. We have not passed a levy for new money in 18 years and that levy was passed 13 years ago. Could you pay your bills today on what you made 13 years ago...I didn't think so. The economy has changed, inflation occurs, and the state has cut funding.

Moving the inside millage was the best choice and the cheapest choice for the taxpayers. He approached the board with different choces they could make and they chose to move the inside millage. I think all of us have moved money form our savings account to our checking account to pay the bills.

This levy is about the students and we need to step up and show them that they have a community that believes in them and wants them to be successful. Support the students and vote yes!

citizen

I will correct your lies line by line:

Lie #1
"Mr. Gunner has taken a pay freeze for three years and has agreed to a pay freeze for a forth year like all administrators in the district"

False. Per State of Ohio Treasurer's website Gunner's 2010 salary was $106,391. 2011 salary was $108,000. 2012 salary is $117,200

Lie #2
"Dr. Gunner has done a great jog helping our district financially"

False. He has taken Perkins Schools from making a profit of over $1 million annually for almost the past decade to a $1 million plus annual loss. Net income has plummeted 170% in the last 5 years under Gunner's leadership, while income has increased 13%.

Lie #3
"Could you pay your bills today on what you made 13 years ago...I didn't think so. The economy has changed, inflation occurs, and the state has cut funding."

False. Perkins Schools do not pay their bills on what they made 13 years ago. In just the past 5 years, revenue has increased 13%. That's an average of 2.6% increase in revenue per year.

Lie #4.
"I think all of us have moved money form our savings account to our checking account to pay the bills. "
While that may be true, Jim Gunner did the exact OPPOSITE with taxpayer money. He moved money out of the "checking" account (operations of the district). He determined new buildings and facilities were more important than maintaining the educational opportunities of the students.

Lie #5
"This levy is about the students"
False. This levy is about Gunner and the Board getting their new buildings and facilities that have been voted down overwhelmingly multiple times. This tax increase is about constructing new buildings and facilities.

Centauri

ATTENTION Oboe7,

In an earlier comment on the other story you stated:

"I called a friend of mine that I went to college with. He works for another county's auditor and he said that land values on which homes have been built are influenced by the sale of empty lots of similar size, location, zoning, etc"

I asked you a question to name the Ohio county where your friend works.

Are you evading my question?

TellTheTruth

Kal-El, where was I when the public hearing re: moving inside millage was discussed? I was at that board meeting and opposed the move strongly. Where were you? Are you being a wise guy, or did you really want to know?

kal-el

A "wise guy?" LOL. Wow, haven't heard that term in about 30 years.

Applause for attending that meeting. Your post implied you were relying on the SR for accurate info.

I wasn't at the meeting because I don't live there anymore. I am an alum who doesn't want to see my alma mater or the community I grew up in destroyed because of the 3rd generation syndrome or the conservative myth that you can have everything for free. And believe it or not, where I live now, we pay property taxes AND income taxes for our schools. Hard to believe, I know!

Perkins2060

You don't live here anymore? Then GO AWAY! Your opinions don't matter!

Strong Schools ...

Very few people attended that board meeting. It is not the board's fault if no one shows up. If people were that opposed than they should have come to the meeting. Everything discussed at the board meetings is public recors and people could have easily looked up the board minutes. Vote Yes for the students and stop blaming them for what iur board does. It is time to support the students!

Centauri

How much money do sporting events bring into the Perkins Schools? I have seen the costs but have not seen how much money the ticket sales bring in.Care to answer with online documents to back up your comments?

Anybody can provide the answer. Don't be timid or bashful.

Don't evade the question or tap dance around it.

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