Jul 30, 2013

What are the financial particulars of Perkins Schools?

Can you obtain financial information for Perkins Schools? This would help myself and others make an educated decision for the Aug. 6 levy vote. Doug in Perkins Township.

The question sought to answer exactly how much each Perkins Schools official — including teachers, administrators, staff members, and elected school board members — makes in addition to inquiries about the athletics budget.

Perkins Schools treasurer Lisa Crescimano provided the Register with numerous documents detailing this. To view the information, click any one of the files attached.

The district is proposing a 10-year, 6.73 mill emergency levy to taxpayers a week from today. If approved, the levy would generate $2.88 million per year to fund day-to-day operations for Perkins Schools, including employee salaries and benefits.
 
If approved in a week, the levy will cost the owners of a $100,000 home an additional $206 per year. That same homeowner currently pays $998 a year in school taxes.
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Comments

Bherrle

Edwin,

First, as previously stated, by the board, verbally and in writing, building plans are on hold until after the November BOE elections, and also until the district achieves financial stability, which they have also defined.

These are two things that many bloggers who oppose the levy asked for repeatedly. You got it, and now you are all ignoring it. Why is that? Is it because you can't use that as a negative anymore? Whose really doing the tap dancing here?

The following is strictly my opinion, I do not speak for the board, and I am not a BOE troll as someone tonight suggested. With a 7-12 building design that is now on hold, and very well could change, and the fact that we really don't know how long it will take to achieve financial stability, how can anyone honestly answer that question with absolute certainty?

With new BOE members, design changes could happen. Renovation could be considered again. If building were to occur, when will it happen? What will the costs be then, 1 year, 3 years, 5 years, etc etc down the road? What will happen to tax revenues in that time period? Will the state continue to abandon their responsibility? Will property values go up or down?

I could go on and on. There are any number of variables that the district can't control over that kind of time period, what is really an unknown amount of time at this point.

Resident51

They are saying that to appease us.

Regarding waiting until after November elections, what will electing 2 board members do? Even if they are anti-new school, they will still be the minority.

If plans are on hold, why does Gunner continue to meet with architects?

Bherrle

There it is. You'll ask for something, get it, and then figure out a way criticize what you got.

If 2 new members are elected, they will certainly be given the chance to change the minds of the 3 existing board members. They'd only have to change 1 mind. Plus, the financial stability definition has to be met, it's not just about what the board wants to do.

When is the last time Dr. Gunner met with an architect? And what did they meet about?

fifteenthgreen

Why did they meet in the first place if we are not financially stable? Why are we waiting now? Why all of a sudden don't we have the funding?

Bherrle

15th,

In response to your post "Why did they meet in the first place if we are not financially stable? Why are we waiting now? Why all of a sudden don't we have the funding?"

I speak with no knowledge of when they met, or what they met about. Which is why I asked those questions. However, with the known facility issues, would you not agree that some sort of planning needs to be done? That options have to be looked at, some idea of the cost of those options needs to be determined?

I would find it irresponsible not to continue to look at options. There are serious issues that need to be addressed for the long term. Whether something is going to be done next year, in 2 years, 3 years, etc, planning still has to be done.

Why are we waiting? Partly because this community turned down a golden opportunity in 2010, and in my opinion, at some point, be it 5, 10, 20 years down the road, this community will come to regret that vote. Partly because a number of critics asked for decisions to be put on hold until after the November election. The BOE has obliged, and now it seems you criticize that?

No one said that all of a sudden we don't have funding, those are your words. However, I would say that overall, some reasons funding is in question is that we have not passed a levy for new money in 13 years, and that the state has continued to abandon it's responsibility to fund the schools properly, and it has ignored the unconstitutional system we have now.

15th - I don't know, but it seems that no matter how we respond, you choose to twist meaning, or turn our answers in other twisting or over the top questions. If that's not your intent, then so be it, but that is what it seems to be. Beware of those who repeatedly go over the top. Eventually, they will hook it left, out of bounds.

donutshopguy

believeit,

With no idea of where state funding is going and two "NO" votes from your community on funding I surely would not have spent an additional $3.5 millions dollars to continue the academy adventure.

I would have found a superintendent that joined our community and instilled trust from the voting public.

When a new school was necessary I would have allowed the community to decide how much they wanted to fund. Yes, that option is available, the school board just doesn't believe you can make a right decision.

But, it is our community and our school. We have the right to decide the cost and scope of the education we wish to provide for our children.

The Perkins School system will continue with or without the approval of this levy. Make your decision based on what you can afford now and in the future. Don't expect the state or the federal government to come in and save the day.

I believe in this community. I plan on living in this community for the rest of my life.

Follow your feelings and make a decision. Vote on Tuesday.

believeit

The reason I chose you as my "superintendent" is that while I disagree with some of the opinions you have, I respect you for the integrity in which you state them. My main point is that if you found a different superintendent, changed the way in which facility repairs/replacement could be done, or even basically ignored what is going on, there is no debate that it WILL be more expensive as time goes on. Infuriated or not about what has already occurred through the work of the current administration, it is done, and we can only move forward. I agree that the state or federal government is not going to save the day, and that Perkins will continue (although many no voters would like that not to happen, eg. join with Sandusky), however the question becomes in what state will the district be in as these problems continue. I simply feel it would be less expensive, and disruptive, to solve this immediate problem now, then work as a community in the future to tackle what will most certainly be more financial issues to come (just like every other school district in Ohio).

donutshopguy

believeit,

Are you talking about an operating levy or a building?

Centauri

http://www.perkinsschools.org/Do...

Attention taxpayers in the townships of Groton, Huron, Margaretta, Milan, and Oxford. Check the map and also your property tax information to see if you are in the Perkins Local School District. You have the right to vote AUGUST 6 this coming TUESDAY.

The Perkins Local School District includes parts of Groton, Huron, Margaretta, Milan, Oxford, and Perkins Townships.

Centauri

http://www.tax.ohio.gov/portals/...

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http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

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Perkins could have moved a part of the inside millage. Look at the list of schools. Perkins moved ALL 5.2 mills. Perkins had the most millage moved as shown by the schools listed. I counted 40 school districts.

There are 613 school districts in Ohio.

http://www.perkinsschools.org/Do...

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

Centauri

http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/...
"Study: Most Ohio School Districts Cut Expenses in Face of State Budget Cuts"

Sandwire

Did the inside millage move icrease taxes on its own or just redistribute them?

donutshopguy

Sand,

It primarily was a redistribution. But, inside millage is based on property value. If property value is increased by the County Auditor than your taxes will increase in proportion.

True Blue

If this levy passes, you have given Mr. Chapman and Mr. Gunner the money to build their campus. This levy will put the money back they moved to inside milage,the $730.00 will be replaced with $35.00,and the school will be finanially stable. Thanks to the Citizens for Perkins Schools for their supporting their kids sports!

EZOB

If Gunner and all the teachers agree to a 10% reduction in wages and a pay freeze for the length of the levy I'll vote "YES". We all realize it would be more expensive say 5 years from now but it would have been cheaper 5 years ago. You don't buy a house or car now that you can't afford because it will be more expensive in 5 years. Of course many of you have become impulse buyers, just swipe the credit cards. This lack of common sense is what we have been discussing at the moment. So & so just built a new school, we want one also. Forget that ours is newer and the taxpayers have refused to okay a new school. We have grown up spoiled brats and have to have our own way or else. I'll dare you to tell me "NO".
Our telling you "NO" isn't about the kids, government, Religion, or anything contained in the constitution, it's strictly monetary. The group of us that understands our economic situations at this time have come to the conclusion that voting for this levy puts undue hardships to a vast number in Perkins. I'm saying that the negative economics of a new school out-weigh the negative impact that the present school or children would suffer.

EZOB

Many of us Grandparents have taken on some care of our grandchildren, to help out so to say. A few days ago I went shopping with My Daughter for school supplies, mandatory list.
She said it was suppose to cost $50.00 a student. I'm an excellent shopper and I challenge anyone to spend less than $50.00. You are look ing at closer to $100.00 and this isn't considering any clothing or shoes. Later today, I'll post a list and than you can be the judge.

donutshopguy

EZOB,

The logic of spend now to save later does not stand up to analysis.

Does the school purchase new laptops two years before they are needed because it is cheaper? Does the school purchase two years supply of toilet paper because it is cheaper now?

If I use that logic, we should spend money on another new building to replace the new academy that the community has voted "no" on twice because it is cheaper.

RMyer

Not sure that I agree. November 2010-a 4.98 mill ten year levy was asked for in order to take advantage of rare gov't incentives tied to bond rates/terms (on sale, if you will). Also, construction costs were lower. Tomorrow a 6.73 mill levy for ten years is asked. If this one fails, another in November will follow possibly for the same, but may be more. We already know that the state will make it more "expensive" due to eliminating the rollback reimbursement, plus the Homestead Exemption change. If a Nov. levy fails, the next levy request in May will be higher. These amounts are after the cuts that have already been made and cuts that are sure to follow if tomorrow's and other future levies are defeated. If the state has to take over, we will need to pay an even higher levy amount to pay back loans from the state. It has happened in every district I have read about the past few years taken over by the state. And facility issues will still not be addressed in this process.

In my opinion, the pass it now or pay more later does apply. I don't know about the school, but when TP is on sale today, I do buy lots to save later. Different metrics apply to short term disposable assets versus long term assets. We're talking about small versus large dollar differences. Putting off buying TP now until later might cost me $.50 more per roll later. Finally, putting off doing something about a large, expensive asset like a building later will cost me at best hundreds of thousands more-probably millions more.

I am curious about your opinion related to levies in general. I understand the personal economic argument that is put forth. It is a tough situation for anyone in those circumstances. However, would not this be true when any levy at any point in time is asked for? For example, I was at a board meeting several years ago when an individual argued against a Perkins levy due to economics, but went on later to state he had recently voted to support a new funds levy for a different entity. There are "vote no" commenters here who actively campaigned and commented in favor of passing other levies for other entities. Two thirds of those who voted in May voted to pass a levy. In order for that to happen, people on fixed incomes, with families, plus those in other demographic groups had to vote yes. Were all of us (includes me) who supported those previous levies uncaring about our neighbors, including those in opposition to the school levy but who voted yes in May for the township? If this is purely about economics, then how does any levy ever pass (including renewals)? My question is philosophical in nature.

Edwin Ison

So now it's a building levy again.

Bherrle

Edwin,

We understand that no matter what we say, it is going to get twisted into what you want it mean. It's much easier for you to do that than to offer up real solutions.

Please, tell us what specifically you would do?

beesknees

Bherrle, are you serious? It takes guts for the BOE to do what it feels is the best option? Bologna! The BOE already presented its case for what it felt was the best option and the voters rejected it soundly this past May. This should be the end of story at least for a couple of years. How can one give credit to a BOE that is hell-bent on violating the wish of the majority? A BOE that uses our students and teachers as hostages need not be trusted by the taxpayers. You know the old story; pay up or I will harm the hostages!

It is upsetting to see “support our students” signs. I see the implication that a NO vote means I do not support the students which is simply not true. I will continue to pay adequate tax dollars to the school which will indeed support the students if we have a sound superintendent and BOE. It is disconcerting, to say the least, when Perkins teachers place the “support our students” signs in their yards and vehicles. Where was this theme when the Perkins teachers went on strike in 2006? It certainly appeared then that the teachers’ needs took priority over student needs.

Bherrle

Bees,

As previously stated, by the board, verbally and in writing, building plans are on hold until after the November BOE elections, and also until the district achieves financial stability, which they have also defined.

The public chose not to fund a Permanent Improvement Levy in Nov 2010. The board, needing to do something to ensure that PI funds would be available, whether new buildings were constructed or renovation was done, moved the 5.2 mills from outside to inside. Had they not done so, we would still be on the ballot right now, for something closer to two mills. And, there would be no money set aside to pay for any type of building issues, new, renovation, etc.

A lot of people are claiming to know exactly what the BOE's & Dr. Gunner's intentions are. Yes, it is true that they have believed that we need to replace the districts buildings, in part because of the numerous studies that have been done and the numerous known long-term health and safety issues. If you don't agree that they should have some sort of plan & funding to address facility issues, then we disagree with each other. However, I refer back to my first statement. Nothing is certain at this point.

The May 2013 was an operating fund levy. I understand you may disagree with that, and that others do too.

The BOE is not "hell-bent on violating the wish of the majority." They are trying to keep the district strong and plan for the future. They do not want to leave these problems for future BOE's and Super's to have deal with. It would be much easier for them to do that, just ignore it.

As far as the signs, they are not meant to offend. And paying taxes, voting yes, etc, is not the only way to Support Our Students. But we are at a crossroads in the districts history. If the facility issues are left to fester another 5-10 years, they will be that much worse. And that includes the stadium. That's why the board moved the inside millage. They are being called irresponsible for doing so. We could just as easily call them irresponsible if they had done nothing.

True Blue

Why did the BOE have to spend extra money for the levy in August?? They were afraid it wouldn't pass and they'd have another chance in November. If it doesn't pass I wonder if the parents will have to pay to send their kids to Perkins or they'll stop busing the kids. With this BOP and Gunner, you don't know what shenanigans they'll pull to get their campus. Why don't all those supers take a pay cut. This is what companies are doing to us workers. I don't mean a wage freeze, I'm talking PAY CUT.

Lil DAB

Voting yes or no on the levy should be a matter of personal economics. If you WANT to pay higher taxes and WANT to have less money to support yourself and your family, vote yes. If you’re tired of the government and schools taking more and more from you, ✰Vote NO.✰

I think it's our responsibility to ✰PROTECT✰ the next generation from outrageous taxes that they will inherit. I believe the next generation already has the tools they need...teachers, technology and new school roofs over their heads.

Economics, property values, income, cost of college, gas, and just day to day expenses are very different from when our parents saw to our schooling. We have to adjust our budgets. So should the school administration; with transparency and without threats.

Perkins voters: Good luck in ✰protecting your household incomes✰ Aug 6, tomorrow!

Perkins2060

Already voted no.

Centauri

http://odevax.ode.state.oh.us/ht...

http://webapp2.ode.state.oh.us/s...
Compare Perkins Schools with other schools in the area or state. Compare millage, cost per pupil and other useful information.

http://education.ohio.gov/Topics...

EZOB

The Juniors and Seniors will be glad there Parents have some extra cash when they are going to college in a couple years.

Centauri

http://perkinslevy.com/
Question: Tax Rates

All this talk about tax rates, I would like to se a comparison of the dollars the school districts receive based on the tax levies. I think Perkins has a higher tax base then some of the other school districts.

Answer:

Tax millage (or tax rates) are multiplied by the assessed valuation within each community in two different classes, Class I (Residential/Agricultural) and Class II (Commercial/Industrial). The school funding formula as devised by the State of Ohio is designed to take the property wealth of a school district in consideration when giving out state funds. By balancing state funds based upon a community’s property value, the state hopes to create a system of balance among local communities and their tax rates for schools. Overall, the state average for a community is 35 mils taxation for their schools. Almost all Erie County Schools operate below that average tax rate with Perkins currently the lowest at 28.52 mils. With total property valuation of $433 million, Perkins does receive more revenue locally with a lower rate of taxation than other school districts. But, this local contribution is offset by a significantly lower state allocation to Perkins based on this same property wealth. The truest way to compare school districts is the tax rate assessed in each community.

"Almost all Erie County Schools operate below that average tax rate with Perkins currently the lowest at 28.52 mils. With total property valuation of $433 million, Perkins does receive more revenue locally with a lower rate of taxation than other school districts."

QUESTION: Can anybody provide a couple of links to the Perkins School voters about the 28.52 mills and $433 million property valuation? Please provide some public records.

Centauri

Election is tomorrow AUGUST 6 TUESDAY

If you don't have time to read all of my links, at least take the time to look at this one to compare schools in the area and state.

http://webapp2.ode.state.oh.us/s...

Class 1 millage is for residential and agriculture properties
Class 2 millage is for industrial and commercial

Compare the schools and see what percentage of the class 1 and class 2 millage is. In school districts with little industrial and commercial properties, you will see a high percentage of class 1 millage.

Things to compare in the above link:
-ASSESSED PROPERTY VALUATION PER PUPIL (TY11 [FY13])
-RES & AGR REAL PROPERTY VALUATION AS % OF TOTAL (TY11 [FY13])
-ALL OTHER REAL PROPERTY VALUATION AS % OF TOTAL (TY11 [FY13])
-PER PUPIL REVENUE RAISED BY ONE MILL PROPERTY TAX (TY11 [FY13])
-TOTAL PROPERTY TAX PER PUPIL (TY11 [FY13])
-CURRENT OPERATING MILLAGE INCLUDING JVS MILLS (TY11 [FY13])
-EFFECTIVE CLASS 1 MILLAGE INCLUDING JVS MILLS (TY11 [FY13])
-EFFECTIVE CLASS 2 MILLAGE INCLUDING JVS MILLS (TY11 [FY13])

Compare schools in the link above. Read the other items of information.

Look at the literature that was handed out by the Perkins Levy Committee. Also look at the information that the committee posted online.

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