Jul 30, 2013

What are the financial particulars of Perkins Schools?

Can you obtain financial information for Perkins Schools? This would help myself and others make an educated decision for the Aug. 6 levy vote. Doug in Perkins Township.

The question sought to answer exactly how much each Perkins Schools official — including teachers, administrators, staff members, and elected school board members — makes in addition to inquiries about the athletics budget.

Perkins Schools treasurer Lisa Crescimano provided the Register with numerous documents detailing this. To view the information, click any one of the files attached.

The district is proposing a 10-year, 6.73 mill emergency levy to taxpayers a week from today. If approved, the levy would generate $2.88 million per year to fund day-to-day operations for Perkins Schools, including employee salaries and benefits.
 
If approved in a week, the levy will cost the owners of a $100,000 home an additional $206 per year. That same homeowner currently pays $998 a year in school taxes.
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sugar

Funny Edwin....made me laugh!

donutshopguy

The school picked up this method of using fear and intimidation from the township in their support of the police levy. The people in this township are suckers for Chicken Little's "the sky is falling". Teachers and administrators use intimidation on students to force their parents to cave in. Parents will protect their children from the bullying tactics and vote against their conscious.

Some day maybe they will understand the process. Until then.... the sky is falling, pass the levy to protect yourself and your kids.

Bherrle

DSG,

Come on, I've been with you face to face. Whether you Vote No, or Vote Yes, I know you are better than this comment.

You are implying that if we Vote Yes, we don't understand the process? And you are outright stating we are suckers? I assume you are refering to the Police Levy? Anyone who voted for that is a sucker?

Now who is accusing who of "not being informed or educated?" I remember some staunch no folks accusing supporters of that not that long ago.

We understand the process. We understand times are tough. And we understand that there are very hard decisons that have to be made. It is easy for anyone to sit back, criticize, and create motives as to why the board is doing this, or why Gunner is doing that. DO you really think that the board didn't know that the "play to pay" direction, or the millage move, was going to be criticized. It takes guts to do what you feel is the best option, knowing that you will be called on the carpet for it by some, when you are in charge. It can be lonely at the top.

Please tell me, exactly who has intimidated who?

Edwin Ison

You must rewind to the first failed levy for the multi-million dollar campus Brad.

Everything after that point is a select few trying to further an agenda at all costs, underhanded, sneaky and heavy-handed.

It's simple really.

Even as much as you try to muddy the waters.

Maybe Buddha should take another 10 day vacation to China with a few select friends, all on the taxpayers credit card!

Oh yeah! You weren't around for that little gem!

donutshopguy

Bherrle,

You don't understand the process of using exaggerations to prove your point? The school board had not previously used this method unit this vote. They saw the success the township had with "no police" if the levy does't pass so they have mastered the use of exaggeration without a full lie. If people believe this exaggeration (the sky is falling) your government institutions will continue to play the game.

I thought the taxpaying community was in charge? I thought the school board was to represent the community not to be dictators over it? It's not lonely when you represent the majority of the community. Do you think they will ever understand the concept?

Bherrle

DSG,

I'm going to set exaggeration to the side, because if you really want to talk about that, then we need to look at all the exaggerations the Vote No side has made.

We just philosophically disagree on how the system should work. This is a representative democracy. We are a taxpaying community at the Federal, State, and Local level. At the Federal or State level, do we get a vote on how our dollars are spent ? No we do not. We get to elect representatives, and they make those decisions. Don't like those decisions, vote em out, and vote someone else in.

In Ohio, at the local level, we get to vote on our taxes. Mind you, Ohio's school funding system was ruled Unconstitutional 20 years ago, but they still haven't changed it. In the majority of the country it is not that way. In the majority of the country, you elect your board members, and that's it. You don't get to vote on your local taxes, just like state and federal.

So, should it surprise us that it is so difficult to get school levies passed in Ohio? Perkins is not the only district with this problem. Give folks the chance to say yes or no to paying higher taxes, what do you think the natural tendency is? Vote No.

Now, throw in the fact that voters already feel disconnected from the Federal and State governments. They are mad at them. Where is the only place they have a say, beyond electing reps? School District. So where is there displeasure going to come out the most? School District.

If the taxpaying community is to be totally "in charge", then why do we elect a Board at all? Let's throw all 10,000'ish potential Perkins voters in a room, and get them to make a decision. How long would it take to get them to make decisions? How many different opinions on different topics are there going to be in that room? If the concept is do everything we say, then I think the concept is flawed.

I'll remind you that school board members are essentially unpaid positions. They receive a stipend for meetings attended, but the majority of that is donated back to the district. They are there truly trying to serve the community, not as a political full time job, as we have with State and Federal reps. Our school board members have other full time jobs. Being a school board member is something they essentially donate their personal time to do. I think we all need to remember that as we sit back and throw stones at them, and presume their intentions. To my point above, how many different opinions do you think they get as representatives? How could they possibly follow them all? They have to make the decisions at some point, that's what they were elected to do.

Someone pointed out on this blog a few days ago that our five board members properties had a combined value of I believe approx $1.7M. They then claimed, due to this, that the board and Dr. Gunner were "out of touch" financially. Dr. Gunner already pays a higher tax rate in the district he lives in than if he lived in Perkins. At $206 dollars per year in additional proposed tax, for every $100,000 dollars worth of home, our five board members would pay a total of $3,500 in additional tax annually, or an average of $500 each. The district average home value is $156,000. The average tax increase per home with this levy is around $320 annually. Are they out of touch? I don't think so.

beesknees

Bherrle, are you serious? It takes guts for the BOE to do what it feels is the best option? Bologna! The BOE already presented its case for what it felt was the best option and the voters rejected it soundly this past May. This should be the end of story at least for a couple of years. How can one give credit to a BOE that is hell-bent on violating the wish of the majority? A BOE that uses our students and teachers as hostages need not be trusted by the taxpayers. You know the old story; pay up or I will harm the hostages!

It is upsetting to see “support our students” signs. I see the implication that a NO vote means I do not support the students which is simply not true. I will continue to pay adequate tax dollars to the school which will indeed support the students if we have a sound superintendent and BOE. It is disconcerting, to say the least, when Perkins teachers place the “support our students” signs in their yards and vehicles. Where was this theme when the Perkins teachers went on strike in 2006? It certainly appeared then that the teachers’ needs took priority over student needs.

Rosa

You are so correct about the fear and intimidation. My friend is not even going to tell her children she is voting no because she fears retaliation for her chilren from teachers and the system. They even phoned her cell phone to tell her to vote yes. But there are so many other parents who fear this "pay to play" outrageous fee, they are going to vote yes for that reason only.....

fifteenthgreen

They will never impose those fees. They've threatened it in years past, threatened to take away busing, take away reduced lunches, get rid of band directors, get rid of the band altogether, sports, etc... The only real cut several years ago was Jr. High athletics for one year. I've sat in meetings where Superintendents actually told teachers your job is safe but we're going to use your position and/or program to get votes.

RMyer

You didn't sit in on a meeting in Perkins like that.

observer

BHerrle, after reading your posts over the last few days, my opinion of your intelligence has taken a severe nose dive! You CANNOT be this gullible, can you? Seriously? My goodness.

Bherrle

I'm not looking for any endorsements of my intelligence. I am not gullible.

Edwin Ison

Not gullible?

Do you really believe that the levy is not a building levy?

Bherrle

I know it's not.

Edwin Ison

Then you are either gullible, or disingenuous.

Bherrle

Interesting argument. I disagree with you, so I am either gullible, or disingenuous.

Hmmmm...

Edwin Ison

Yep.

This particular levy has come about solely as a result of a desire to build a new campus.

Spin it however you must.

citizen

Wow. This is a tax increase to build Gunner's new buildings.

There is no way around it.

Wald

This levy in particular might not be for a new building, but it is a levy to replace money that was unethically taken to build a new building, so, in essence, it is a levy for a new building.

fifteenthgreen

I agree observer. After his previous comment on his comparison of St. Mary's buildings vs. Perkins and the 1900s vs the 70s, I've come to the conclusion that he is clueless. Gunner and the BOE must have been really pressed to find a campaign job for you. "Hey, let's put herrle on the blogs and pizza parties. Nothing else."

Bherrle
Sun, 08/04/2013 - 3:09pm

Sugar,

How were those buildings constructed in the 19th century, compared to how they are constructed today? What construction materials were used and still exist in those buildings? How much money is put into upkeep & maintenance on those buildings compared to buildings built in the 1930's thru 1970's?

Let's make sure we are comparing apples to apples.

Bherrle

15th,

I said nothing of St. Mary's buildings. The 19th century was the 1800's. Sugar said 19th century.

If one is going to make a general statement such as Sugar made, that is fine. I'm pointing out that you have to look at all costs for a true comparison.

The age of a building in itself does not drive me to want to replace it.

I am blogging of my own free will. No one asked me too. But, yet once again, you see the need to stray from facts.

fifteenthgreen

How many catholic schools are in this area, herrle?

sugar
Sun, 08/04/2013 - 11:03am

The Catholic schools are in buildings built in the 19th century and manage to turn out educated, well rounded students.

Bherrle
Sun, 08/04/2013 - 3:09pm

Sugar,

How were those buildings constructed in the 19th century, compared to how they are constructed today? What construction materials were used and still exist in those buildings? How much money is put into upkeep & maintenance on those buildings compared to buildings built in the 1930's thru 1970's?

Let's make sure we are comparing apples to apples.

fifteenthgreen

Voters, it's people like bherrle that are spending your tax dollars.

Bherrle

I'm a taxpayer 15th.

Bherrle

I stand behind by my question 15th. Back up the statement Sugar made with facts.

You can make rude comments all you want, in fact, I encourage you to do so. It points to the lack of a credible argument from your side.

fifteenthgreen

Now you're telling me what side I'm on. "your side" My side is not wanting people like you writing checks with other peoples money. Checks you can't cash responsibly. That's my side.

Back up sugar's statement with facts? What are you talking about? Sugar couldn't have been any clearer with the statement and I'm certain St. Mary's....oh sorry, catholic schools, have turned out well rounded, educated students.....in century old buildings.

PyrkinsPyrate

Two years at a community college without a degree is the best endorsement for your intelligence that I have seen thus far.

Bherrle

And someone accused me of being an elitist just a few hours ago. Keep attacking me Pyrate, it only weakens your point of view.

By the way, I know who you are , u just gave it away. Don't worry, I won't tell.

fifteenthgreen

Let it go.

Bherrle

Why should I let it go 15th? Furthermore, why can't you guys stick to the facts?

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