Jul 30, 2013

What are the financial particulars of Perkins Schools?

Can you obtain financial information for Perkins Schools? This would help myself and others make an educated decision for the Aug. 6 levy vote. Doug in Perkins Township.

The question sought to answer exactly how much each Perkins Schools official — including teachers, administrators, staff members, and elected school board members — makes in addition to inquiries about the athletics budget.

Perkins Schools treasurer Lisa Crescimano provided the Register with numerous documents detailing this. To view the information, click any one of the files attached.

The district is proposing a 10-year, 6.73 mill emergency levy to taxpayers a week from today. If approved, the levy would generate $2.88 million per year to fund day-to-day operations for Perkins Schools, including employee salaries and benefits.
 
If approved in a week, the levy will cost the owners of a $100,000 home an additional $206 per year. That same homeowner currently pays $998 a year in school taxes.
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Comments

Equity

I'll drive by the high school this evening and check it out. I drive by it every day and I have not seen a pro levy sign on that property.

DLK

"Support our students" and "Support our schools" are not pro levy? They are on all the school marquees. Schools are permitted to allow pro levy groups to post signs if it "promotes the welfare of the community", but they must also allow the same privilege to anti levy groups. "No" signs must also be allowed. And I personally asked the Board of Elections Monday as I'm on a committee for a potential new school board member. Only "Paid for by" is needed.

Cowboy

You are 100% correct! All those signs are in violation of ORC.

Centauri

Did the pro school levy committee put up the letters or did a paid school employee put up the letters on the marquees?

underthebridge

DLK - Thank you! It will be good to see who may run against the two up for re-election.

queenjhb

Please vote NO

Perkins2060

+1

EZOB

Besides Gunner, I wonder how many of the teachers and all those employed by the chools system live outside Perkins Township? They are the ones with the most to gain.

Strong Schools ...

Let's get real...So many people commute to work each day because they have to go where the jobs are. I don't care if all of the teachers or administrators live in our community. All I care about is that they provide a quality education for our children and that has been displayed over the years. How many of the negative bloggers live where they work? How many of the negative bloggers live in Perkins? I bet it is not 100%. If you live in Perkins and work in Sandusky you are still commuting to work! Don't sweat the small stuff and stay focused on the children. Vote YES!

Resident51

The last I knew, Perkins staff members received UNLIMITED personal days. Is this still the case?

Strong Schools ...

Who cares how many personal days they have! What realy matters is how many do they take. If you check the records there are not a lot of personal days being used.

Centauri

Reading the comments, I get the feel that some people cannot afford anymore property taxes and will be voting "No" because there is no extra money to give.

I get the impression that some of the "Yes" voters do not want to pay extra for sports or extracurricular activities for their children. They want the taxpayers to pick up the tab.

The school employees also do not want to freeze their wages or benefits or go backwards to lesser wages and benefits.

What about the people who lost their jobs, had their wages cut drastically or have expenses due to health problems for example? Is it fair to them that they should pay another $200 to $300 per year towards the school?

What happened to sacrifices where all of the people work together to solve financial issues? What would be wrong if the parents paid extra for sports or extracurricular activities for ONE year and go from there? Maybe the school will find out that the extra charges for sports and extracurricular activities were set too high and should have been set much lower.

How much money do the sports bring into the schools? An example would be tickets to see football and basketball games.

Strong Schools ...

The teachers, staff, and administrators have worked togheter to help the school financially through years of pay freezes and giving more on their insurance.

soccermom10

Schools can say "support or students", what they cannot say is "vote yes".

Centauri

Can you provide a link to add strength to your comment?

Resident51

What air did you pull this out of?

A school cannot promote a levy, they can only provide facts. A school can allow pro levy signs on school property, but must equally allow the same rights to anti levy signs.

Centauri

http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com...

•Pupil to teacher ratio: 16 to 1
•Teacher assistants (instructional aides): 18

Median family income: $59,539

Median income of a renter: $28,910
Median income of a home owner: $55,361

Compare this information with other schools in Ohio.

Centauri

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3315.07
3315.07 Instructional program for employees - supplies and equipment for local school districts.

(C)

(1) Except as otherwise provided in division (C)(2) of this section, no board of education shall use public funds to support or oppose the passage of a school levy or bond issue or to compensate any school district employee for time spent on any activity intended to influence the outcome of a school levy or bond issue election.

2) A board of education may permit any of its employees to attend a public meeting during his regular working hours for the purpose of presenting information about school finances and activities and board actions, even if the purpose of the meeting is to discuss or debate the passage of a school levy or bond issue.

PyrkinsPyrate

Check me Out....Who am I?......."Names, names. Whatcher name? Stop hiding behind a fake screen name, I need the names. I need everyone's names. names. I need all the names. I gave mine one time at 3am on an obscure dead thread so now you must all give your names to have your opinions count. names!!! names gimme names......(imagine a very effeminate outsider saying "names" like the Zombies in the Night of the Living Dead say "brains" over and over.

Bherrle

Pyrate,

My name is Brad Herrle. I've stated it more than one time already. I state it again here.

I'm willing to put my name behind what I say. Why aren't you?

I don't make baseless accusations about anyone. Why do you?

Edwin Ison

Intimidation

Centauri

http://www.auditor.state.oh.us/s...
SUBJECT:
PROHIBITION AGAINST PROMOTING SCHOOL LEVIES WITH PUBLIC FUNDS

Resident51

Exactly. This means we have the right to put a "Vote No" sign on school property.

goodtime1212

I have heard that the school board spent over a hundred thousand dollars to buy new computer software from a company that Mr Gunner is on the board of, anyone know if this is true?

Bherrle

No, that is not true. Question asked and answered a few weeks ago on the levy Q&A website.

goodtime1212

NO thy didn't spend that much or no they didn't buy it at?

Bherrle

I can't find the answer I saw on this issue right now, but as I remember it, the answer was no to both questions.

Perhaps someone else can chime in on this one, or you can post the question on the Levy Q&A.

Strong Schools ...

Absolutely not true...Check your facts, or better yet, call Dr. Gunner yourself like a lot of us have already done. Vote Yes!

lovingmysoccerm...

Teachers' hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It's time we put thing in perspective and pay them for what they do - babysit! We can get that for minimum wage. That's right. Let's give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That ...would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to......... 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan-- that equals 6 1/2 hours). Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day...maybe 30? So that's $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day. However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations. LET'S SEE.... That's $585 X 180= $105,300 per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries).What about those special education teachers and the ones with Master's degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage ($7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to $8.00 an hour. That would be $8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = $280,800 per year. Wait a minute -- there's something wrong here! There sure is!

sugar

So if a waitress serves 40 people on her shift we should multiply her pay by 40? If a nurse takes care of 8 patients, we should multiply her hourly wage by 8? plus another bonus for weekends and holidays for them both? We can all play that game, dear.

lovingmysoccerm...

Sure, sounds great to me! but no bonus for weekends and holidays please!!!

sugar

Must be a Democrat. lol

lovingmysoccerm...

must be uneducated. lol!

bobshumway92

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believeit

Any day care center in the country charges per child. The illustration holds. Assuming a waitress does a good job, she would be paid by each patron. Nurses are paid their salary based on their contract, as are teachers. The point was that you were comparing teachers to babysitters (ones required to have master's degrees). Finland, a country often rated as having the best education system in world, puts their teachers on par with other professionals such as doctors and lawyers, with similar pay and prestige.

Strong Schools ...

I have a few teacher friends and none of them consider themselves "babysitters"! They go to school everyday and provide a qualirt education. My friends have been to trainings this summer so they can provide the best pracicies for their upcoming students. Also, they spend a lot of their summer getting materials ready for the new year. Teaching is NOT a 9-5 job. They work before and after school and come in on the weekends. They take their work home and sacrifice family time so other people's children can get a high quality education. AND they work throughout the summer. They continue their education because they are required to by the state and I want educated people teaching my children. The teachers have taken a pay freeze for the past three years and have given more on their insurance plans. Vote Yes!

Centauri

http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.g...
1991 Att’y Gen. Op. No. 91-064

OAG 91-064 Pages 304-311

That took a long time to download. Try this instead:
http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.g...

Click on Opinions (pdf)

In the left column, you will see a list of opinions. Go down to no. 91-064. It is near the bottom of the left column.

sugar

I am glad I no longer live in Perkins, a bunch of phoney people acting like they are bucks deluxe Perkinites, hahaha the jobs to support your big tax hikes are not there, there is NO GM, there is NO Ford here anymore. What selfishness, some people will lose their homes so your kid can play sports. SMH

Strong Schools ...

No one will lose their home for $25 a month (if you live in a $150,000 home). It is all about priorities. My family is totally willing to give up a pizza night or a Starbuck coffee in order to provide a quaklity education for their kids. Sounds like you are not being fiscally responsible if $20-$25 a month is going to hurt you that bad. Vote yes!

samiam

That last sentence was totally uncalled for. Many people have already given up their Starbucks and pizzas. And even for fiscally responsible people there comes a breaking point. And sometimes $20-25 more a month could very well be that breaking point.

God Of Thunder

The school systems should start looking into high deductible insurance plans, and incorporate a health savings plan. Monthly premiums are much lower, the schools save money, and the poor teachers, making the wildly high salaries could start paying a fair share...

I've heard of the whining because they have to pay more than $20 as their share of the premium cost..Cry me a river..

Pirate Mom

Good suggestions that I believe have already been put into place. Again, as the Register to publish all county salaries. Or look here http://www.tos.ohio.gov/teacher_.... Being able to compare here and comment would be easier, though. Wildly high, I don't think so.

lovingmysoccerm...

wow! no comments on this yet! I bet the haters are surprised to see all the other districts salaries! Great site Pirate Mom!!!

fifteenthgreen

Lets see all the other district scores.

Bherrle

Go ahead 15th, please provide them?

fifteenthgreen

Ok.

http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/

Here is a brief overview of how Perkins has faired on the ODE District Report cards from the previous ODE link.

Furry
08-09 Effectiive
09-10 Excellent
10-11 Effective
11-12 Effective
Meadowlawn
08-09 Effective
09-10 Excellent w/Distinction
10-11 Effective
11-12 Effective
Briar
08-09 Excellent
09-10 Effective
10-11 Effective
11-12 Effective
HS
08-09 Excellent
09-10 Excellent
10-11 Excellent
11-12 Excellent
District (with additional years)
03-04 Effective (Buccieri)
04-05 Effective
05-06 Continuous Improvement
06-07 Continuous Improvement
07-08 Effective (Rechtenwald/Gunner)
08-09 Effective
09-10 Excellent
10-11 Effective
11-12 Effective

fifteenthgreen

http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/

District OH Rank Rating 11-12 10-11 Per.Ind Value Low Inc.

Edison Local Erie 247 A A 100.8 Met 33%
Huron City Erie 124 A A 103.7 Met 30%
Margaretta Erie 412 B A 97.6 Met 37%
Perkins Local Erie 391 B B 98 Below 33%
Vermilion Local Erie 371 A B 98.4 Met 41%
Port Clinton Ottawa 430 B B 97.2 Met 47%
Put-In-Bay Ottawa 21 A A 108.7 Met n/a
Danbury Local Ottawa 241 A A 101 Met 45%
Oak Harbor Ottawa 240 A+ A 101 Above 34%
Norwalk City Huron 332 B A 99.3 Met 49%
Sandusky City Erie 585 C C 86.5 Met 78%

fifteenthgreen

Ohio gives public schools and districts one of six ratings. The state does not award schools letter grades, but the official ratings can be roughly translated as follows:

Excellent With Distinction = A+
Excellent = A
Effective = B
Continuous Improvement = C
Academic Watch = D
Academic Emergency = F

Those grades are based on:
The percentage of students passing state tests;
How well students score on state tests;
For elementary and middle schools, a calculation showing how much progress students made in a particular school year;
Attendance rates;
High school graduation rates; and
Whether or not the school or district meets federal standards. (Those federal standards are called Adequate Yearly Progress and include reading and math test passing rates and test participation, attendance and graduation rates.)

Bherrle

15th,

It has been previously explained in other article blogs why one shouldn't hang their hat on the above information. You choose to continue to use this information as being black and white, which is misleading.

Strong Schools ...

Your suggestions are reality and everyone across the board has made these concessions. Everyone inluding teachers, staff, and adminsatrators have sacrificed. Check your facts before you post. Vote yes!

lovingmysoccerm...

oh "dear" sugar! you are a smart one! I lOVE to play games and I can afford for my kids to play games! Perkins is glad you no longer live here my dear!!!

sugar

Good then you'll have no problem when the people of Perkins defeat your tax hike.

lovingmysoccerm...

thanks for the entertainment sugar!!! Maybe, sugar daddy?

sugar

Awww, truth always befuddles the less fortunate, of mind that is.

lovingmysoccerm...

lol!!!

bobshumway92

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lovingmysoccerm...

bhaahaaaa! dont believe in credit cards and only 13 years left on my mortgage! BTW, I like a nice cold beer!!!! cheers!!!

bobshumway92

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lovingmysoccerm...

if that is the way it turns out tuesday, I am prepared to pay BUT i have faith in the educated, well informed citizen of Perkins! VOTE YES!! and CHEERS again Bob!!

bobshumway92

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lovingmysoccerm...

OK Bob! It's been fun!!! no go back to work!!

bobshumway92

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lovingmysoccerm...

Yep! You nailed it Bob! Your to smart for me!!! Cheers!!!!

bobshumway92

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lovingmysoccerm...

cheers!!!

goodtime1212

I am with you Bob, its my job to raise my own kids.

Strong Schools ...

Are you kidding! It is important for our children to get a well rounded education and that includes academics, arts, and athletics. I am totally willing to pay $25 a month if that means our children can get a quality education and have multiple opportunities. We need to come together as a community and teach these students that eduction is important and a priority. Vot yes and support the students!

DLK

Blah blah blah

goodtime1212

I am not kidding. my first priority is to take care of MY family. I don't need to pay 25 a month to teach my kids that education is, working hard and having respect for others is important. The fact that you are able to help pay for other kids to learn this in school and not home is awesome for you. Also I don't care if its 10 cents a month I would vote NO until there is a new board and Mr. Gunner is gone

goodtime1212

The communication guy makes over 65 thousand a year holy crap, I think that's more then the Fire chief makes.

EZOB

Just goes to show that we thought it couldn't get any worse than Sheeri Bucceri or Bush and along comes O'Bama and Gunner. Gunner has to go. When is the next election? What, we didn't get to vote him in? Wow, we have to make sure there are no retired teachers involved with the financials of the school. The degrees in sports and teaching chinese along with several other almost worthless subjects have brought the negativity. Perkins has "Dumbed Down" and it is very evident. You'll always have people who achieve on their own no matter but the emphasis put on sports causes negativity.

Bherrle

15th Green,

Teacher pay info you asked for based on my comment that Perkins teachers are not the highest paid.

Starting Teacher Salary – Bachelor’s Degree, 0 Years Experience

Source of Information – State Employment Relations Board Web Site (www.serb.state.oh.us)

School
2011-12
2012-13
2013-14

Clyde
$33,570
Unavailable
Unavailable

Danbury
$37,791
$38,547
Unavailable

Edison
Unavailable
$31,174
$34,043

Huron
$34,278
$34,620
$34,967

Margaretta
$33,335
$33,335
Unavailable

Oak Harbor
Unavailable
Unavailable
Unavailable

Perkins
$36,094
$36,094
$36,094

Port Clinton
$33,788
$34,463
Unavailable

Sandusky
$34,820
$35,516
Unavailable

Vermilion
$31,710
$31,710
Unavailable

Question: Teacher Average Salaries

Can you compare the “average” salary for all teachers within a school system to those other schools?

Answer:

Average Teacher Salary (2011-12)

Source of Information – CUPP Report, Ohio Department of Education (education.ohio.gov)

School
Average Salary

Clyde
$57,762

Danbury
$68,826

Edison
$58,665

Huron
$58,855

Margaretta
$54,318

Oak Harbor
$62,686

Perkins
$60,209

Port Clinton
$56,826

Sandusky
$61,860

Vermilion
$56,316

bobshumway92

B Hurl go away. No one cares.

Strong Schools ...

We all care! These are our children we are talking about. The teachers have taken a pay freeze for the last three years and sacrificed a lot on their insurance. I am proud that the teachers that educate my children are supportive and believe in the educational process. Support the students!

Pirate Mom

Bob...of course we care! Your claims that our teachers are making obscene amounts in their pay just isn't true. We pay them in line with surrounding districts but haven't stepped up to fund it. As more retire the average will come down. Now is the time! Vote yes on August 6.

fifteenthgreen

Thanks. Now what are the state testing rankings for all of these schools in comparison?

Bherrle

Go ahead 15th, I'll let you provide that info.

fifteenthgreen

Just did!

Strong Schools ...

Where?

fifteenthgreen

http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/

District OH Rank Rating 11-12 10-11 Per.Ind Value Low Inc.

Edison Local Erie 247 A A 100.8 Met 33%
Huron City Erie 124 A A 103.7 Met 30%
Margaretta Erie 412 B A 97.6 Met 37%
Perkins Local Erie 391 B B 98 Below 33%
Vermilion Local Erie 371 A B 98.4 Met 41%
Port Clinton Ottawa 430 B B 97.2 Met 47%
Put-In-Bay Ottawa 21 A A 108.7 Met n/a
Danbury Local Ottawa 241 A A 101 Met 45%
Oak Harbor Ottawa 240 A+ A 101 Above 34%
Norwalk City Huron 332 B A 99.3 Met 49%
Sandusky City Erie 585 C C 86.5 Met 78%

Pirate Mom

Bob...of course we care! Your claims that our teachers are making obscene amounts in their pay just isn't true. We pay them in line with surrounding districts but haven't stepped up to fund it. As more retire the average will come down. Now is the time! Vote yes on August 6.

Suitcase Simpson

I find it amazing that when I post about teachers refusing to take competency exams in the subjects they teach, we continually have a couple of the overpaid teachers explain that they took a general apptitude test when they were hired! BUT they and their union refuse to allow teachers to take any exam in the subjects they teach! Obviously, they couldn't pass such an exam and that is why Perkins is now one of the most poorly rated districts in the midwest! They really should be ashamed of themselves.

bobshumway92

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believeit

Continue to state incorrect comments. To get certification to even teach at all requires multiple exams in their subject area (Praxis exams). And Perkins is far from one of the most poorly rated districts. If they were, why would they be the only district in the county to have a waiting list for students to want to enroll (although all have open enrollment)? I'll give you credit for your trolling skills, but your statements are way too over the top to be credible.

Strong Schools ...

The teachers need to take state certified exams called the Praxis in order to get their license. The exams are in the specific area in which they teach. They are not allowed to set foot in a classroom until they take and pass the exam. Also, the teachers have to constantly go back to school to stay certified or else they loose their license. Our teacher are very educated and highly qualified. And, a great majority of their continuing education is paid out of their pocket.

Suitcase Simpson

Bherrle,
Thank you so much for proving our point. Perkins teachers are vastly overpaid. All those other schools are higher rated than Perkins and their teachers properly educated their students for lower salaries! VOTE NO with a cherry on top!

Bherrle

Please provide the information you are basing this statement on.

fifteenthgreen

http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/

District OH Rank Rating 11-12 10-11 Per.Ind Value Low Inc.

Edison Local Erie 247 A A 100.8 Met 33%
Huron City Erie 124 A A 103.7 Met 30%
Margaretta Erie 412 B A 97.6 Met 37%
Perkins Local Erie 391 B B 98 Below 33%
Vermilion Local Erie 371 A B 98.4 Met 41%
Port Clinton Ottawa 430 B B 97.2 Met 47%
Put-In-Bay Ottawa 21 A A 108.7 Met n/a
Danbury Local Ottawa 241 A A 101 Met 45%
Oak Harbor Ottawa 240 A+ A 101 Above 34%
Norwalk City Huron 332 B A 99.3 Met 49%
Sandusky City Erie 585 C C 86.5 Met 78%

Here is a brief explanation of the Value-Added Measure.
http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/

Here is a brief overview of how Perkins has faired on the ODE District Report cards from the previous ODE link.

Furry
08-09 Effective
09-10 Excellent
10-11 Effective
11-12 Effective
Meadowlawn
08-09 Effective
09-10 Excellent w/Distinction
10-11 Effective
11-12 Effective
Briar
08-09 Excellent
09-10 Effective
10-11 Effective
11-12 Effective
HS
08-09 Excellent
09-10 Excellent
10-11 Excellent
11-12 Excellent
District (with additional years)
03-04 Effective
04-05 Effective
05-06 Continuous Improvement
06-07 Continuous Improvement
07-08 Effective
08-09 Effective
09-10 Excellent
10-11 Effective
11-12 Effective

Ohio gives public schools and districts one of six ratings. The state does not award schools letter grades, but the official ratings can be roughly translated as follows:

Excellent With Distinction = A+
Excellent = A
Effective = B
Continuous Improvement = C
Academic Watch = D
Academic Emergency = F

Those grades are based on:
The percentage of students passing state tests;
How well students score on state tests;
For elementary and middle schools, a calculation showing how much progress students made in a particular school year;
Attendance rates;
High school graduation rates; and
Whether or not the school or district meets federal standards. (Those federal standards are called Adequate Yearly Progress and include reading and math test passing rates and test participation, attendance and graduation rates.)

Bherrle

15th,

It has been previously explained in other article blogs why one shouldn't hang their hat on the above information. You choose to continue to use this information as being black and white, which is misleading.

Strong Schools ...

Perkins missed an excellent rating in two areas. It's not like the school district did a poor job educating our children. I am proud of the Perkins education. Vote yes and support the students!

EZOB

Sugar,
Do you really expect anything different from a Liberal. They always are looking for ways to get in your pocket. They honestly believe it is your duty to pay for them. We are Slaves (White, Black, no matter skin color) to their wants. If their kids would play soccer in Europe they'd think we should foot the bill. Notice the "Looking Down" on you. You are less educated but as far as I know you could be a Rhode's Scholar. They might have an education but they learn very little because they lack the ability to debate and can't see past thier noses.

lovingmysoccerm...

oh geez!!! EZOB you are another smart! cant keep up with you boys!

bobshumway92

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lovingmysoccerm...

Nope! Just enjoying reading all of your comments! Would love a beer though! sweet dreams!

Suitcase Simpson

You'll need a few beers when the levy goes down in flames next week. Can't wait to cast my ballot. A big, gigantic, quit trying to rip us off, NO.

SanduskyCountyR...

Its funny to read people saying people should coach for free...they have no clue what goes into it and the sacrifices that are made to to the job right.

citizen

I haven’t read any comments on here, because I certainly don’t have time to read 300+. That in and of itself show what a divisive leader Jim Gunner has been. Great leaders are able to bring people together for a greater cause or for the good of the organization. Gunner has the opposite effect.

Regardless, have any of you tax increase supporters actually looked at Perkins Schools’ audited financial statements? The battle cry made on here over and over by individuals like RMyer and Bherrle is that Perkins Schools haven’t received any new money in 18 years. We can’t currently fund operations. It’s for the sake of the kids and on and on and on.

I would encourage all of you tax increase supporters to actually take a looked at Perkins’ financial statements. I think you’d be surprised. They are located on the State of Ohio Auditor’s website.

Again, I am not sure where the talking point that Perkins Schools hasn’t received new money in 18 years comes from? It’s simply not true.

Over the past 10 years, Perkins Schools revenue has increased 31.6%. It went from $20,064,189 in FY 2002 to $26,420,362. That's an average increase in revenue of 3.1% every year.

Additionally, Perkins Schools has been extraordinarily profitable up until Gunner made his mark.

In governmental or non-profit entites such as Perkins Schools, they don't have "net income" or "profit" but rather the total revenue less total expense is called "change in net assets." Take a look on their audited financial statements.

Perkins Schools net profit:
2005 $ 2,966,760
2006 $ 730,341
2007 $ 1,062,522
2008 $ 1,652,076
2009 $ 1,967,560
2010 $ 1,536,872
2011 $(1,456,758)
2012 $(1,108,801)

You may ask yourself, how in the world did Gunner take Perkins Schools from making a profit of approximately $1.5 million in 2010 to a loss of approximately $1.5 million in 2011, while revenue was exactly the same.

To further illustrate my point, Gunner took Perkins from a profit of $1,967,500 in 2009 to a loss of $1,456,758, A DECREASE IN NET INCOME OF 174%, WHILE REVENUE ROSE 4% (from $25,823,366 in 2009 to $26,854,404 in 2011)

I honestly don’t have a clue how someone can mismanage an organization so incredibly bad that in 2 years, revenues increased 4%, yet profits decreased 174%. Gunner should be gone for that reason alone.

This leads to the next lie and/or misconception that Perkins Schools under Gunner have strictly controlled their costs.

Take a look at the FY2011 financial statements. IN A SINGLE YEAR, from 2010 to 2011, instructional staff expense increased an unbelievable 147%... in one year, from $1,379,954 to $3,410,467. How in the world does a company's labor expense increase 147% year over year?

It’s simply mind-boggling the financial ineptitude Jim Gunner has led Perkins Schools with over the past several years. And he wants MORE of our money? Again, these are the facts of Jim Gunner’s tenure:

In the last 5 years, revenue has increase 12.8% from $23,413,895 in 2008 to $26,420,362 in 2012. (Contrary to Gunner's lie Perkins Schools hasn't received any new money in 18 years).

In the same time period, Gunner has decreased net income 167% from a profit of $1,652,076 in 2008 to a loss of $1,108,801 in 2012.

Revenue up 12.8%, profit down 167%.

And you want to give this guy MORE money?

Wald

This is the best comment of the thread and exactly why I am voting no. Does the net loss in 2011 and 2012 have anything to do with the unethically moved operating funds? I wish the Register would print your post, Citizen. I think a lot of people would change to a no vote if they knew this.

Bherrle

I can only comment very briefly for now due to time constraints. Using just numbers, anyone can paint a negative picture. Several things that your post ignores:

1. The stadium was a safety hazard and had to be addressed.
2. Facilities issues have been know for some time and planning for the future needed to be done.
3. I may be wrong, but at first glance I believe you are only using operating funds numbers, which leaves out Permanent Improvement money set aside as an asset.

RMyer

Citizen-a few items: (1) I have stated on several occasions that our district has not received any new tax levy money for operations in 13 years and only once in 18 years (in 2000 for 2.9 mills). Those are both true statements.
(2) I have stated that we have received significant additional revenue from open enrollment/tuition which amounts to approx. 6-7 mills in local tax levy dollars which allowed the district to delay asking for an operational levy and then asking only for a reasonable 4.98 mills in 2010 and earlier this year.
(3) At the same time the state has been phasing out the Business Tangible Property Inventory tax formerly paid to schools which I believe is one reason the district has seen local tax collections decline significantly from FY 2010 (also, the property devaluation has reduced local taxes)
(4) I have stated that the district has received some increase due to new construction, but it hasn't amounted to enough to offset revenue losses; recently completed large commercial developments are currently under TIF agreements which are due to expire in approximately the next 10-12 years (Kalahari, Lake Crest, for example).
(5) Cost savings the past 3 years due to base salary freezes/insurance changes = $2.2 million; Cost savings going forward due to position cuts/program cuts/salary and insurance savings = approx. $13 million over the next four years.

Lastly, when looking at the auditing reports that you cite, I believe that the General Fund is where the focus should be since that is where operating levy revenue goes. District five year forecasts are for General Fund Operations. The revenues you quote for FY 2012 include permanent improvement funds (which can't be used for operations) and other Gov't Funds (I'm not sure exactly how those fit in).

When comparing General Fund Revenues for a couple of the same years that were mentioned: FY 2008 Total Revenues = $20,584,660 compared FY 2012 Total Revenues = $20,658,880 for a five year increase of $74,220.

The details of school finances are somewhat complex. It's easy (and can be misleading) to pull numbers out of context when discussing school finances. That is why I encourage anyone who has an interest in the district finances to show his or her analysis of the district finances for discussion or direct any questions to the district treasurer's office. Please get the correct explanation about school finances before forming a conclusion based on partial information (and, yes, I encourage people to check my numbers and analysis with the treasurer, as well).

bobshumway92

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RMyer

That is certainly your perogative. But I would hope that you or anyone else wouldn't take either one of our explanations on faith, and I once again encourage you and all others to make a call to the treasurer or some other expert on school finance. Correct information is knowledge and is important to have and doesn't take more than a phone call or email to get.

I'm not sure what being in the teacher's union has to do with whether or not my understanding of school financing is correct. Am I to assume that if I were a non-union teacher, then you would agree with me?

And, please, could we agree to stop with the name calling, derogatory comments, innuendos, etc. I really don't get why reasonable adults feel the need to communicate in such a manner. Can you help me understand that?

bobshumway92

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bobshumway92

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Strong Schools ...

Perkins has not passed a levy in 18 years and the last levy that was passed was 13 years ago. The district has only passed two levies in 20 years and I think that is pretty fiscally responsible. Remember, this levy is for NEW money. Dr. Gunner has been in our district for five years and the board told him that our district would have to go on the ballot in one year upon his arrival. He has kept us off the ballot for five years and has tried everything to keep us off the ballot. The state has taken away money form the district and it is time to go back on the ballot. We need to support our students and our community. We need to have graeat schools so our communtiy can stay strong and flourish in the future. Your comment has encouraged me to vote YES!

DLK

This again is misleading. Perkins hasn't needed to pass a levy due to property values and new growth in the township, plus open enrollment money they've taken from area schools (crippling Sandusky Schools). Do NOT make it sound like it is because they are fiscally responsible!

citizen

"Dr. Gunner has been in our district for five years and the board told him that our district would have to go on the ballot in one year upon his arrival. He has kept us off the ballot for five years and has tried everything to keep us off the ballot."

Well that is just an outright lie. This is the 3rd or 4th time Perkins Schools has proposed signinficant tax increases on the ballot under Jim Gunner.

Wald

Strong schools, you're going to vote yes because your superintendent and BOE have led the school system into a financial deficit? Interesting...

samiam

Strong Schools states "Perkins has not passed a levy in 18 years and the last levy that was passed was 13 years ago. The district has only passed two levies in 20 years.." Very confusing! Which is it, 18 yrs, 13 yrs or 20 yrs? It can't be all three.

soccermom10

Schools can say "support or students", what they cannot say is "vote yes".

bobshumway92

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Lil DAB

That was the strategy of the now incarcerated ex superintendent of Clyde Green Springs Schools. He took his "charmingly persuasive" mantra to the seniors homes to get their votes; assuring them the outcome would not affect their income!

Strong Schools ...

The "Yes" people are not recruiting...the levy committee can't go into OVH and tell them how to vote.

DLK

Really Strong Schools? They are holding breakfast meetings there and encouraging absentee voting or free transportation to the polls. I just hope the college kids they are going after talk to their tax-paying parents first before drinking the Kool-aid.

EZOB

The false statemenmts from supporters is enough to sway many voters. Quit saying "NO" new money when in fact there has been more money each year. They (An Adult)have come down my street with school kids asking for support. I think asking yuou to support the levy is the same as asking you to vote Yes. They are getting way over 70% of our tax dollars already, live within the budget. They don't care about streets, fire, police just as long as the schools get more money. Gunner would take 100% and see everything else shut down. Oh, He'd still have all that in Oregon.

EZOB

RMeyer,
Not just you but a few people who support the levy and claim to have a lot of knowledge. Just maybe you need a better economics department in Perkins because you can't seem to operate any type of budget.

citizen

Bherrle-
The stadium and/or other new faciliites have absolutely nothing to do with the Gunner leading the district from a $1.5 million gain to a $1.5 million loss in a single year.

New facilities and stadiums are capitalized as assets, not expensed immediately (rather, they are expensed through depreciation over their useful lives). Rather, the $1.4 million loss and $1.1 million loss Gunner has led the District to in 2011 and 2012 after years of record profits, has to do with a total lack of cost control. As I mentioned, instructional staff expense increased 147% from $1.3 million to $3.4 million in a single year. I'll ask again, how in the world does a organization's labor expense increase 147% in a single year?

This leads me to your point, RMyer. Will you please, please stop with the lie/misleading statement about teacher pay "freezes." It's simply not true. Either go to the State of Ohio Treasurer's website and search individual teachers, and you will see significant increases in compensation for most all of them over the past several years. Or, just look at Perkins Schools' income statement. Instructional staff expense increased 147%.

And lastly, I am not manipulating numbers or cherry-picking numbers. These are the numbers directly off of the Perkins Local Schools audited financial statements. These are audited by a CPA firm to ensure they fairly and accurately represent the financial position of Perkins Schools. There is no way of getting around it. They are what they are. And I certainly don't need to remind you that it was Jim Gunner who chose to move operating revenue into permanent improvement revenue, do I? It wasn't the State of Ohio, it wasn't the students and it surely wasn't the taxpayers.

Again, here are the facts from Perkins Schools audited financial statements, which fairly and accurately represent their financial position.

Over the past 5 years, revenue has increased 12.8% from $23,413,895 in 2008 to $26,420,362 in 2012.

In the same time period, net income has decreased 167% from a profit of $1,652,076 in 2008 to a loss of $1,108,801 in 2012 (again, nothing to do with buildings, the stadium or facilites- just due to Gunner's lack of operating cost controls).

Perkins was wildly profitable for years until Gunner made his mark on the district. With revenues up almost 13% and net income down 174%, this guy would lose his job in a minute in a minute in the corporate world. Yet this guy is still leading the district and wants even more of our money? They are all delusional.

DLK

Can anyone tell me if the staff freezes included cost of living AND step increases? Just curious.

goodtime1212

Thank you for spelling out what I was thinking. Was not sure of all the numbers, but I know a few years ago when they said they had to Build a new school to get state moneys and the voters said no, we were not having this discussion about being broke. They moved the money around now we are broke. That is what it is, they created it.

RMyer

At this point, we are not going to agree on some items regarding the finances. So, I urge you to present your analysis and findings to the treasurer and ask for explanations. The instructional staff expense was reduced to $1.6 million in FY 2012 from the $3 million in 2011 (I have asked for what expenses make the Instructional Staff account; I have an idea but wish to verify it before explaining). The treasurer would explain what this expense is for and why the increase from 2010 to 2011, then the decrease from 2011 to 2012.

donutshopguy

Bherrle,

You don't want people to look at data as black and white but you continue to use data in your arguments. Should we have the same doubt about your data? You can't have it both ways to fit your needs.

"Using just numbers, anyone can paint a negative picture". Isn't this true in the opposite point of view? If you read only the information supplied by the schools the numbers are manipulated to look the best for a "Yes" vote.

Is your data misleading?

I feel like the moderator on Meet the Press.

RMyer

I have to run, but what information from the school is "manipulated?" All school information is public record and can be verified. Answers to questions about finances and operations can be verified. I believe that the questions submitted to the district have been answered and posted online, and those answers can be verified.

Not really Meet the Press: guests and moderators on that program are known to the public. But I wonder what would discussions on Meet the Press would be like if all participants were anonymous.

donutshopguy

RMyer,

Does the school system promote information that puts them in a bad light? No. Does the public have to research the whole body of information to understand the true picture? Yes.

The school system only highlights data that puts a positive spin to promote a "Yes" vote. That's manipulation.

Bherrle

DSG,

Are you saying that the fact that district provides all the information is not enough, that they should also try to make themselves look bad?

What makes them look bad is a matter of opinion. I think we are seeing right now, just in the last few days, that the more information that gets put out there, that much more criticism comes.

Strong Schools ...

DSG,

The school district has answered the public's questions honestly on the website. They have published factual information and people still choose to ignore it and think what they want. I believe that people do not want to hear the truth and they are willing to put our community on jeopardy!

EZOB

I bought my house in 1975. Mortgage, interest, taxes, insurance and my payments were $171.00 a month. Loan is paid and my taxes alone are that much. We don't own our homes. Can't afford your taxes, there'll be a Sheriff sale on your house. You youngsters should quit putting things like soccer before your parents. Children first, right on, but sports before me? I love sports but believe if I can't pay my own way I can still afford to watch on my own TV.

Lil DAB

So TRUE EZOB, so true! "We have laws against extortion, theft and slavery, yet with a single vote, we can legally plunder our neighbor’s bank account without impunity and place him and his heirs into a position of involuntary servitude. Many of our retirees have found that even after working all their lives to pay off the mortgage on the cottage or family farm, there is still a yearly rent that must be paid. To refuse to pay will result in the confiscation and eviction of the supposed owner and the transfer of the property to a new "owner" who is more, shall we say, civic minded." http://voteno43410.webs.com/comm...

kal-el

Time to read the Constitution. It doesn't take a vote of the people to raise taxes. The only reason we do it that way now is because our politicians are cowards.

Bherrle

Spot on kal-el.

donutshopguy

Today we can't control the unbridled spending of the federal, state and county governments. The increase in taxes from all three without public vote is very evident.

But, today we still have the right to control our local quasi government institutions like schools.

Analysis your present financial situation. Analysis your future financial situation.

Both sides have made very valid points. Both are presenting only the information that fit their their ideology. You have to sift through that information for the truth.

Make your decision that fits your needs now and in the future.

EZOB

donutshopguy,
Your comments are usually pretty much right on. Consider this! It's very obvious that you keep up with the news and what is going on. All you need to do is ask yourself, How much more am I willing to pay or maybe how much can I afford to pay? Is the hard earned money I'm giving being well spent? These are just a few of the many questions we can ask ourselves before voting. Cast your ballot and be ready to vote again in three months.

Pirate Mom

School systems don't get cost of living. Any raise comes on the base pay through negotiations with the board. Our teachers and staff have taken pay freezes for years and every year have paid more of their insurance premiums as the board has changed the insurance packages for all to be more fiscally responsible. I've learned this by attending most board meetings for the past 10 years because I want my taxes used to educate kids. Although open enrollment has affected our Ohio report card, the revenue has offset our lack of paying additional levies that have been defeated. It's time to vote yes on August 6.

DLK

Gunner has repeatedly said open enrollment has not affected the report card. You've been "effective" well before open enrollment.

My question is...did they take step freezes?

Lil DAB

"PirateMom"- You said, "Our teachers and staff have taken pay freezes for years and every year have paid more of their insurance premiums"...
So has nearly every other working individual that I know! Taxes have increased, insurance premiums have skyrocketed, companies pay less if any of the premiums and wages have flatlined! But no one is trying to get someone else to pass a tax to help my pocketbook and I don't have extra donate to yours/theirs!

samiam

And the cost of insurance is going to be even more next year when Obamacare goes into effect. More dollars coming out of workers' pockets.

Tool Box

It appears that Pirate Mom feels the teachers should be exempt from the growing pains that we all go through! Makes me wonder if she indeed is one of them! "One of them"! "one of them"! "one of them"! Look for the Kool-aid mustache and the foil hat in her foreign car!

Lil DAB

lolol "One of them"! "one of them"! "one of them"! the movie "Freaks?" lmao!

Tool Box

Move to Perkins and help us pay taxes!

Pirate Mom

I do live in Perkins. I drive a Ford. I am voting yes for the levy. What I've stated are facts, previously and now. KoolAid is bad for you. I have a Masters' degree and get paid for my work. So should our teachers. VOTE YES AUGUST 6. I do not name call...just tell the truth. You can't fight my facts so you use derogatory language. I think I make you nervous.

donutshopguy

If I could control where my tax money was spent on the federal, state and local level I would be funneling more to my local area. That means schools, police and other local institutions. But, I don't have that choice. My taxes get redistributed by those politicians we have elected. And in most cases not to where I want.

If you gave most American the ability to control where their tax dollars are spent I don't believe you would have a problem with funding schools.

It's my money and I want to decide where it goes. I have no trust in our present political system.

donutshopguy

As a former "spin doctor" of information I would like to commend the school system on their $730 dollar activity fee. They have zeroed in on what drives this community.

It's not education. It's about Johnny and Susie playing with a ball or a musical instrument.

On the other hand, I would have not have made it so easy to access the salaries of those employed by the school system. You have created a situation where anyone making less than school employees become resentful and are apt to vote "no" for only that reason. That information should be available to the public just don't present it on a platter.

Bherrle

DSG,

Respectfully, on the issue of sharing the salary info, I think they are in a no win situation. If they don't openly share it, they will be criticized for trying to hide something, not being forthcoming, or not promoting information that doesn't help the levy.

As I understand it, the history of this school district (going back to the 70's) has been that they have always been criticized for poor communication. In my research and educating myself about the last 5-7 years, I've found that they have been open. But still, some say they have secret agenda's, they won't listen to the public, or that the open meetings are just a sham so that they can say they involved the public, etc. So it seems on an even larger scale, they can't win. No matter what they do, they are being criticized.

Is it that the district is not communicating, is it that we as the public aren't listening/don't want to listen (already have our minds made up), or is it something in the middle? I'd be interested in your take on that.

I agree that unfortunately, some will vote no because of the salary info. I am perfect example of a person making less than the average school teacher. In no way, shape, or form do I feel it is right for me to vote no simply because I make less than they do. If I want that job, at that pay, then I should get the education required, apply for the job, put in the time (years) to get up to that average salary level, and maintain/enhance my education along the way.

Tool Box

The way I look at it, I have one kid in school, she plays two sports and only has one year left. I will gladly pay $1400 for her two sports instead of $7300 in additional taxes over ten years. Heck, I have to send her to college yet!

When voting, look at how many teachers that don't live in our district and don't help pay our taxes but reap the rewards of a huge salary thanks to us. Make them move into OUR tax district!

When voting, remember the shell game that Gunner played with our money against our will. And he also does not help us pay taxes in Perkins Township, he lives in Oregon!

In the long run, Perkins will be a ghost town if this levy passes. People will move out, houses will be hard to sell due to the high taxes. Businesses will think twice before building in Perkins and will probably build in Sandusky. If you don't think the City of Sandusky is sitting on the sidelines rooting for this levy to pass, then you are blind. They have a lot to gain if our levy passes. Lower taxes in Sandusky will attract more residents and businesses to Sandusky and away from Perkins. By this happening, the taxes in Perkins will have to continue to go up in order to run the Township at status quo with less tax base. Do you really want this to happen. Do the math, it's pretty simple.

VOTE NO!

Tool Box

Sorry, I almost forgot........ Paid for by citizens who want to be able to afford to stay in their Perkins Township home!

Tool Box

VOTE NO!

Lil DAB

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Bherrle

Tool Box,

$7,300 over 10 years is $730 per year, which would be the annual tax increase on a $350,000 home. That may be your home, just verifying you have the math right. If it is, congrats on having a very nice home.

How many teachers countywide, statewide, countrywide, live in the district they teach in? I would ask why that matters? If they don't live in Perkins, then they pay a higher tax rate where they live. They are not the highest paid teachers even within Erie County, let alone statewide. It's not like they are being paid bucket loads more than another district. Why limit the talent pool by making residency a requirement?

There was no shell game. You may disagree with the millage movement, but it was done to ensure that PI funds where available, whatever direction that takes. It was done after three public meetings, that were very poorly attended. It was the best long-term financial option available. Had they not done so, we would not be on the ballot for a levy right now, but we also would have very little to no money set aside to address facility needs. The facilities have to be addressed in some way, they can't be ignored. Does anyone not agree with that? If the board did that, they'd be criticized for that too, so again, they are damned if they do, damned if they don't. Do we really expect them to address facility issues, without an increase in taxes, in some way?

A lot of people are taking the position that the millage was moved so that the BOE and Dr. Gunner can do what they want with buildings. Not true. They've already stated that no decision will be made on the facilities direction until after the November BOE election. If new members get elected, then they will have the chance to get up to speed and present options.

Dr. Gunner pays a higher tax rate in Oregon, OH , than he would if he lived in Perkins.

I have the opposite outlook you do on the fate of the levy. If the levy passes, we will still be among the lowest tax rates in the county. We'll still be lower than Sandusky (who, by the way, rarely ever has trouble getting a levy passed, why is that?) If lower taxes were going to cause a massive population shift, why isn't that happening now out of Sandusky into Perkins?

Ghost town is a risk if the levy fails, in my opinion. The districts programs start to decline. Open enrollment becomes less attractive to outside residents. Revenues start to decline. Programs continue to get cut, the snowball picks up speed. People are less likely to move into the district for the schools. Open enrollment numbers continue to drop. Revenues continue to drop. Home sales suffer, property values decline. Revenues drop even farther. Homes stay on the market for extended periods of time.

It's really not that simple, it's a complex problem. I certainly don't have all the answers, I sure wish I did. But I do know this. It would be much easier for this BOE and Supt to avoid much of the public criticism by doing nothing, by not asking for a tax increase. Let it be the problem of a future group of BOE members, and a future Supt. Sure, some of us would be yelling at them for doing nothing, but that number would be a lot fewer than are yelling at them now. Tax increases have a tendency to bring out the criticism.

They are trying to do the responsible thing, and plan for the future. Do we really think the school district can sustain forever, with no future tax increases?

Centauri

Questions to the pro school levy voters. The opposed can answer too.

How much money does the school district get from the sports program? That would include ticket sales, grants, sport boosters and so forth.

I have posted often about the low property values in Erie County, Ohio and in Perkins Township. Instead of asking the taxpayers for more money, why not contest some of the property values that appear to be too low? The Perkins School District went after and challenged some property values in the past. Not all of the challenged properties were reported in the newspapers.

http://www.morningjournal.com/ar...
"Perkins Local Schools will contest the property value the county auditor's office set for Kyklos Bearings International Inc."

Resident51

I believe they pay an attorney to contest commercial property only, not residential or agricultural. What was the outcome of KBI?

Centauri

Due to time, I am not able to find out about the outcome of KBI.

Below is the Erie County, Ohio auditor's information.
I see that KBI bought the property for $25,500,000 (2008).
The present valuation is $10,809,780, down from the 2012 valuation of $25,500,000 (2012). Check the tax page for penalties and delinquent taxes.

http://erie.iviewauditor.com/Dat...

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