Jul 30, 2013

What are the financial particulars of Perkins Schools?

Can you obtain financial information for Perkins Schools? This would help myself and others make an educated decision for the Aug. 6 levy vote. Doug in Perkins Township.

The question sought to answer exactly how much each Perkins Schools official — including teachers, administrators, staff members, and elected school board members — makes in addition to inquiries about the athletics budget.

Perkins Schools treasurer Lisa Crescimano provided the Register with numerous documents detailing this. To view the information, click any one of the files attached.

The district is proposing a 10-year, 6.73 mill emergency levy to taxpayers a week from today. If approved, the levy would generate $2.88 million per year to fund day-to-day operations for Perkins Schools, including employee salaries and benefits.
 
If approved in a week, the levy will cost the owners of a $100,000 home an additional $206 per year. That same homeowner currently pays $998 a year in school taxes.
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Comments

fifteenthgreen

In the system. You?

believeit

If you have been in the system, then your lack of support for a former employer I would have thought you had pride in working for, and understands how difficult school funding is from an inside perspective, is even more disturbing (I guess unless that didn't go so well for you).

middleclassworker

If this levy passes....it will be the first step towards securing the plans for a new campus! That has been the plan from day one of Gunner and his administration. If you don't believe that ...pull some more wool over your eyes. This idea you have of the school system will work as well as the windmills did next to the parking lot.

Vote Informed

The money from the levy will go to day-to-day operations. Not new facilities. Read this Q&A from http://perkinslevy.com/.

Question: New Facility
I’ve heard from quite a few reliable people that Mr. Gunner said he will build the new school with or without the support of the community. I think that is wrong. If we vote YES, will some of the money be used for a new school behind our backs?
Answer:
No. This levy is an operational levy to support the day-to-day operations of the school district. None of this money will be used for a new facility.
The Board of Education had previously set aside the “Inside Millage” for facility renovations and/or new construction. They have announced numerous times they will not move forward with a major construction project unless the following criteria is met:
1. They will wait until after the November election of new Board members. Dr. Printy and Mr. Chapman are running for reelection. Should the community feel strongly enough about reversing course on the facility issue, the Board election in November will give the community an opportunity to elect new board members who support this view.
2. The financial forecast must show that no new operating levies will be needed for the next three years.
3. The Board elected in November will reexamine the facility needs of the district and make a decision on how to move forward.
As far as any comments attributed to Mr. Gunner regarding the construction of a new facility, Mr. Gunner has stated the following repeatedly:
1. First, the Board makes the decision on whether to move forward with construction of new facilities, not Mr. Gunner. He can recommend, but does not have the authority to proceed without a formal Board resolution and public vote of the Board.
2. He has repeatedly made the comment that the facilities in Perkins need to be addressed soon; the structural integrity, safety and health issues inherent in especially the high school cannot be ignored.
3. He has never indicated he would build a facility with or without the support of the community. While he believes strongly in the need for new facilities, the final decision is not his. Again, he does not have the authority to build a new facility, only the Board of Education has this authority.

bobshumway92

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middleclassworker

if they have the money from this election....their re-evaluation in November is a given....it has been the goal from day one to establish a new campus.....don't be so naïve

Vote Informed

I'm not naïve. This levy is for day-to-day funding and when it passes, it will save 14 teaching positions. Nothing to do with new facilities.

middleclassworker

I wish I could go thru life wearing blinders like you, I would see school systems and government systems as trust worthy too.

But yet again.....I wouldn't ask someone to carry my burden either.

So I guess I'm not you.....and we will not agree on this topic

bobshumway92

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Vote Informed

Like I said before, Its NONE of your business what my finances are. I'm not asking you to pay my pay to play fees. I'm asking you to vote yes for the families, the students, and the 14 teachers that could potentially lose their jobs. There's a big picture here.

bobshumway92

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Vote Informed

It is a fact that it is cheaper for my family to vote yes. No one can afford to pay $730 a sport and $220 an activity. I have added up the expenses for these fees and made my choice to vote yes. Its none of your business what I can and can't afford.

bobshumway92

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Vote Informed

I realize that I can save money by voting yes. Not only do I save money, but I also help save 14 teaching positions. My finances have nothing to do with you so please stop bullying me about them.

Perkins2060

Funny!

Perkins2060

Haha BobShumway! You walked her right into putting that in writing! Good job Bob!

Gardenman

We have close friends of ours who have three kids in the schools. He and his wife were absolutely against the increased taxes. Well that was till they went to pay to play fees. He was before not a huge supporter of the levy but given pay to play he now works on the campaign to pass the levy.

I asked why the change. He said well I hate paying more taxes and I really doubt Perkins needs what they are asking in taxes BUT if it passes then Pay to Play is gone and I will pay more in taxes but far less in Pay to Play for 3 kids.

I said oh so you are just fine with the elderly lady next door who is on Social Security and she will be forced to pay a portion of your kids fees to play in sports. You know it kinda spreads around the cost in the community so you do not pay as much. He said you got that right if I can get my neighbors to pay some of the cost for my 3 kids fees in sports thats great for me. So he is out there husling the levy passage thats its about our kids future but the real reason is he will save oney out of his pocket to pay for his kids sports desires. Personally, my thought he could save a bundle stop providing a car for each of his kids so they can ride home in style from their latest sports practice. For him nothing about saving 14 teaching jobs its all about saving money out of his pocket on the backs of the rest of us.

Bherrle

Names please. Yours and his.

Edwin Ison

Wow!
That is inappropriate.

Bherrle

Middleclass,

So if we do that, pay for it ourselves, can I assume that anyone who doesn't pay anything will forfeit any property value increase they see from here forward?

Perkins2060

I will. Devalue mine to $0. No taxes! I'm not moving!

believeit

You may not be moving now, but assuming your home is likely one of your major assets, someday the value will be important. Its like hoping your investment portfolio goes down to avoid paying those pesky capital gains.

bobshumway92

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Perkins2060

Hooray for Gunner having no plans to move here!

PyrkinsPyrate

I do not want Gunner to move here. That great big fat slob will personally put Ryan's and the Chinese Buffet out of business in a week and my teenage boys love those feeding troughs.

believeit

Nice

Perkins2060

The fake wanna be soccer moms out here in the Township crack me up every time I see them. They have their SOS (Save Our Salaries) signs in their yards, names of their kids on the back of their mini vans or suv's and are maxed out on all their credit. BobShumway nailed it!

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2cents

I have a question. I was reviewing the pdf attachments and found it odd that the (first three) line items are associated with operating the school, teachers and other. I also noticed that (following four) are all associated with sports. Is that ratio a little wacky? Like normal in today’s society somehow sports seem to overshadow the three R’s. I was always taught that sports in school help round out youths a study, why now is that reversed?

Just saying!

fifteenthgreen

Most of these teaching positions are approaching the six figure salary mark with wages plus supplemental contracts, etc... For nine months of work plus every holiday off, etc...!!! There's part of your answer!

Plus, their job performance on test scores, state rankings, etc. doesn't justify these wage levels regardless of how much education they have. I could care less if you have a Masters Plus when my child is getting simply an "effective" education based on the Ohio grading system.

believeit

Approaching six figures. Are you kidding (no, just exaggerating for effect, as usual)

fifteenthgreen

The whole package. Read it! Most are $99,000 and over. It's in black and white, believeit.

believeit

When talking salaries for any occupation, how many include what their benefits package include. This is another distortion used to discredit public employees. Private corporations do the same thing, but try to find out what their total compensation entails.

fifteenthgreen

Private corporations don't rely on taxpayer dollars to fund their dreams. These salaries are bloated and need to be evaluated to save the taxpayer dollars. Who works for who here? The system works for the community. We dictate who gets what...at least I thought.

Bherrle

We "dictate" 15th??

I thought we elected representatives. It seems to me that many want to "control" these elected reps. Dictate to them what they will do.

That's not the way the system is supposed to work. It's why the State needs to overhaul the funding system.

fifteenthgreen

Definition of dictate can be to impose. Impose via vote. To prescribe with authority. A guiding principle.

Rosa

So, because these teachers earn a great salary for working a part time year, why do they receive supplemental pay for coaching and such, should they not volunteer their time, maybe to prove they really care about the students??!! That would truly be "Supporting our Students". Maybe they should receive a 9 month salary, I think the economy can no longer afford to pay a 12 month salary for 9 months work... And studies have shown that the 3 month summer break is detrimental to students in the USA.

believeit

Teachers are paid a per diem (daily) salary as negotiated by contract. It is not their decision as to how many days a school year entails. It is not a 12 month salary for 9 months work. And you think they should spend numerous hours of their time just for the kids. As it is, the average salary for supplementals is about a buck an hour. There are incredible liabilities, as well as expectations, at stake and you think it should all be voluntary. I doubt that you would take on those responsibilities just for fun.

fifteenthgreen

Supplementals like Wind Ensemble, Concert Band, HS Band and vocals, Middle School Band and vocals, etc... These are all classes taught during the day in classrooms. "buck and hour" my a**!

believeit

Wrong again. While the instruction may be class time, all of the public presentations are not. Try coaching yourself and count the hours.

fifteenthgreen

Wrong again? Public presentations? You don't get it. How many public appearances does the choir or concert bands make after hours? Two or three at the most for contests. HS and MS vocal and band supplementals are not for outside services. You're wrong on this one. That being said, it's not enough to justify tens of thousands of dollars in supplementals. We can't afford it. Remember?

Rosa

I have never seen a parent get paid to volunteer assistant coaching....They do it to "support our students"

beborcott

Dumb F

fifteenthgreen

Why do the music and vocal teachers receive multiple supplementals for teaching the very same classes they're receiving a salary for? It doesn't make sense!

Perkins2060

Why does the swim coach get paid for the boys and the girls separate?

Bherrle

Because they are two separate jobs.

Gardenman

I agree if a band director is being paid as a music teacher seems like marching band is part of the job. Why be paid more for doing what you should be doing as part of your job. I see the thought its outside the school day of 8 hours so should be compensated.

fifteenthgreen

The music and vocal teachers get paid a supplemental for teaching middle school and high school, etc.. in addition to a salary. The music teachers get supplementals for MS band, HS band, Marching Band, Concert Band, Band Camp, Pep Band, Musical, Summer Band, musical set construction, etc... in addition to a $67,000 and $77,000 salary. In addition to!

It's not just the music and vocals teachers. Add them all up. Wow!

Also, $68,000 gym teachers. Come on, man!

Believe it or not, I think the administration is getting paid too little in wage/salary comparison. Who's actually running the ship here?

gramlamb

I am starting to think that a lot of you bloggers did not have a great educational experience growing up, which has lead you to a not so great job, which has lead you to be on this blog ALL the time! I feel very sorry for you! I had an excellent elementary, middle, and high school experience which lead me to an excellent college, which lead me to a great job that only allows me to comment on this blog this one time! PLEASE get informed and understand that GREAT SCHOOLS=GREAT COMMUNITIES!!!

fifteenthgreen

GREAT TAXPAYERS = GREAT SALARIES + GREAT NEW CAMPUS = "EFFECTIVE" education!!!!

Perkins2060

GRAMLAMB=TEACHER=COULDN'T MAKE IT IN THE REAL WORLD. Only a teacher would say garbage like gramlamb said.

believeit

The fact that you think teachers are not part of the real world defines where your priorities are located.

fifteenthgreen

Oh, they're part of it. Part of the high society.

believeit

Teachers "high society"? Wow!

fifteenthgreen

In Perkins Township, with those salaries....yes. I'm shocked they are up that high in an area so hard hit by loss of industry and higher paying positions. Sad when a teachers salary is high society!

believeit

For a profession that requires a Master's degree and continual advanced coursework (mostly paid for by the teachers themselves), teachers have by far the lowest salary (compare to doctors, lawyers, accountants etc.) for instance - all of whom need teachers at some point to get to where they are.

PyrkinsPyrate

What great college doesn't teach their students the difference between "Lead" and "Led"?

Suitcase Simpson

Let's get a few things straight. "Those who can, DO! Those who can't, TEACH" No truer words have ever been written.
All those Yes signs are planted in the front yards of TEACHERS along Bogart. They would never permit any signs for any other cause than to continue their bloated salaries/benefits! Never forget that we paid the wonderful old woman teacher to sleep in front of her class for years!!!!
Vote NO. Don't let that carpetbagger Gunner scare anyone. As has been noted, those parents who can't afford to 'pay to play' should transfer their kids to Sandusky schools which are better rated than Perkins! We have all had to tighten our belts. High time that the coddled teacher's union give up a little to the taxpayer!

Suitcase Simpson

Does anyone need a new high-end laptop computer? Kind of expensive aren't they? Well, we've been buying new ones for all the teachers, administrators and students every year! Can you believe it? The teachers union has no personal accountability. They can't even buy their own computers! That is costing us millions/year.
AND, the teachers refuse to take basic tests in the classes they teach because they know they can't pass them! Wake up Perkins! This waste, largesse and fraud must end. VOTE NO.

believeit

Ridiculous and completely undocumented. Just spouting stuff on a blog does not make it true. Its called trolling..

fifteenthgreen

Wrong again, believeit. It's been well documented and confirmed on several previous SR blogs, including a report from the district as to how much the school pays for the "free" laptop program.

believeit

Your source is SR Blogs? The laptop program has rarely been called free. Even the district acknowledges that. While the cost versus benefit can be debated, most in the real world (those doing the hiring in today's technological workplace) have stated that more technology expertise is needed, not less.

fifteenthgreen

My source is from figures supplied by the treasurer.

Bherrle

They do not buy new computers every year. It does not cost "millions per year." It is under $300,000 per year. This issue has been discussed a month ago now. Why do people insists to continue to bring up the same issues, with the same mis-information, over and over again?

Fraud? BobShumay said something earlier that I agree with here. Someone should sue - you Suitcase Simpson - for liable or slander.

Wake up Perkins, stop listening to the fear mongers and trollers.

fifteenthgreen

They lease the computers and I'll go back and get the exact dollar figure for you....again. "under $300,000" is incorrect and misinformation on your part and you know it. RMyer and the district treasurer provided the exact figures and you were involved in those detailed discussions.

RMyer

From the district treasurer as previously posted regarding the laptop cost. Prior to the laptop program the district budgeted approx. $250,000/yr. for technology expenses:

"In this lease there was $200,000 in computer expenses for the elementary buildings which left a net lease amount for the one-to-one laptop initiative at approximately $1,279,000
We received $363,000 for the trade in of the old laptops, leaving about $916,000 for the actual net cost of the new laptop lease

We intend on keeping the laptops for 4 years instead of 3.

If I calculate $916,000 by 4 years, the annual hardware cost is $229,000"

fifteenthgreen

If the annual hardware cost of the free laptop program is $229,000 per year as you've stated, we could save possibly four to five of your peers jobs by eliminating one program. That's based on your average Middle School annual salary of $58,791.45, RMyer...as posted by the treasurer. Four to five jobs annually! Why not let the students lease them from the school as a lab fee at an annual cost of what per student? Why simply provide computers to the students for free when teachers are losing their jobs?

lifetimeresident

I really wish the Sandusky Register would not of put these salaries online. This just changed my Vote. These salaries do not coinside with the area residents salaries that are paying them. This is no longer a rich township. I didnt know the schools made a big profit. If they did, then share the wealth with all their employees. If they dont, then do what everyone else is doing. KBI?Ford?Chrysler? Sorry. Closed.

PyrkinsPyrate

How can you seriously wish that you had less information available to make a decision? I applaud the Register for posting these numbers and all the other governmental salaries. I think it is of great service to the community that the taxpayers find out how much they are paying their overlords.

believeit

School districts do not make a big profit. This levy is to prevents a several million dollar deficit. And you are honestly saying that schools should simply close like a factory?

Gardenman

I find the supplemental contracts interesting. You see 5,6, 7 thousand $$$ in some instances for a coach of this or a coach of that. It does not say but lets now take those figures and mark them up 13% + for the Board contribution to STRS retirement. You got even more money.

After seeing those amounts I think of the volunteer coachs of little league, biddy wrestling, Saturday baskeball programs at this or that rec facility and those folks get no salary at all. They give of their time and effort. Yet in the SR you see these coaches splashed all over the sports section in all they give all to this or that team.............hmmmm makes me wonder next time when I read it ....Well you should give them this or that for you are getting paid for it ....this is not volunteer effort on your part here YOU ARE BEING PAID for your time. AND yes yada yeda yada I know if you divided these school coaches time into what they got paid it would be cents an hour BUT lets not skip by the fact they are getting PAID be it however small they are still PAID from our tax dollars.

believeit

Being paid "cents per hour" is robbing the taxpayer? Really?

fifteenthgreen

I could care less about the Sports supplementals. I feel they should be compensated for time or service after school. This garbage of double dipping because you travel between schools, are a department head, etc... and are supplemented for it is crap. If it occurs during the school day it is all the same.

believeit

It's not double-dipping. Teachers are paid their salary for teaching their assigned subjects and classes. Why should work beyond that be done gratis? Would a factory (or any) worker work an extra job beyond their assigned duties just for fun?

fifteenthgreen

They are getting paid additional supplementals to teach at two separate schools. That's it. That is what those two supplementals are for. Their drive time between Briar and the HS. In addition to their salary.

fifteenthgreen

$65,000 gym teachers. Come on, man! That's a huge salary to pay a teacher to teach Mat Ball!

believeit

From someone who is so against education, I would love to see you in the classroom for even a week (including a physical education class). You would quickly find that handling over two hundred different students in a day (of multiple abilities) is not as easy as you may think.

fifteenthgreen

I've witnessed those intense lap(s) around a track or that awesome game of tennis baseball. Long nights of lesson planning going on there. The "multiple abilities" kids usually are on the outside looking in, but that's another topic of discussion. Two hundred? That's it!

believeit

It is now quite obvious you have no idea what it takes to be a teacher.

fifteenthgreen

I bet I could teach a mean kickball game for $65,000 plus.

believeit

Again,it is now quite obvious you have no idea what it takes to be a teacher.

fifteenthgreen

I certainly could nurture the mind of a child teaching them the art of ping pong or badminton.....for $65,000 plus, plus. If I have to teach both, though and have to travel all that way between schools, it's gonna cost ya big time!

believeit

If it so easy (and the benefits so awesome), get your master's degree in education, find a position and go for it. By the way, if you think education is simply ping pong or badminton, where did you learn to write to contribute to these blogs?

PyrkinsPyrate

I am intrigued by the assertion that the Perkins school board is paying someone to blog in favor of the levy. It would be no shock that our tax dollars would be unethically squandered like that. But one would think that the $95,000 per year communications director should have it covered. I am amused that one of the most hardcore yet reasonable and well polished pro-levy blogger is some guy with no roots in our area who suddenly showed up on the Register blogs and began intensely supporting the levy. It makes one suspicious.

Bherrle

Go on PyrkinsPyrate, continue your accusation. Of whom do you speak?

PyrkinsPyrate

Of all people to wonder!!!!!! Of course all of us are content believing that a person could move to the area and immediately demonstrate their arrogance and hubris by entering into the local political discourse before their mail even catches up to their new address. Why would someone become such an ardent supporter of the BOE without taking the time to learn the lay of the land? Because they are paid? I just can't believe a grown man could call such a thing a job, if it is true.

Bherrle

PyrkinsPyrate,

Make no mistake, "arrogance and hubris" are being displayed aplenty by you and anyone else who chooses to make or believe outrageous, baseless, and completely speculative accusations such as you have just done. How far will you stoop, how low will you go, in your attempt to try to smear those who disagree with you, and the school district? Have you no shame? Why is it that you, and some others who are against the levy, can't stick to facts and civil opinion/conversation? Rather, you sit back and hatch wild conspiracy theories, with no fact or proof behind them, and defame people in the process by the mere suggestion of impropriety?

A couple other points that I feel display the "arrogance and hubris" of which you speak. It doesn't take two years for mail to catch up to a new address. Nor is there a mandatory time period that one has to wait before getting involved in his community. The land is pretty flat here. Contrary to what some think, you don't have to have lived here all your life to understand the issues, and to understand what is going on.

Why would someone become such an ardent supporter of the BOE? Because he was tired of seeing people who behave like you dominate the message. Because he thinks this is a great community, and he wants it to stay great. Because he thinks the BOE is doing a good job, and is making good, sound, long-term decisions that are in the best interest of the community, despite knowing that they will get criticized by some for it.

To be clear, I am not paid by anyone. And "I just can't believe a grown man (or woman)" would suggest otherwise. Of course, its pretty easy to do behind a fake screen name. Will you "man up" PyrkinsPyrate, and put your name to it? Who are you? I've told you my name, please, tell us yours?

PyrkinsPyrate

It is outright comical how hissy and injured you can pretend to be while acting like it is the opponents of the levy that are guilty of lies, deceit and subterfuge. It is your boy Gunner that has changed his story and opened ended definitions and moved around the inside millage to undermine the voters' clear mandate against a new school. They have played dirty and without regard to the voters-and frankly I am tired of having to keep going and voting "No" all the time. So you can save your condemnation about being civil, your side started playing dirty a long time ago. Keep in mind we grew here, you flew here after failing at a number of other ventures out where you belong, so you decide to come here and mix it up with people. That takes some nerve.
Your side has the trust problems. Nobody is going to believe anything that you say. Your side still refuses to clearly deny that the money will not be used for a new school if some vague definition of financial stability is met. A few of the over leveraged parents support Gunner because they want the community to pay for their children's entertainment, but the majority of the supporters are fools that can not realize that this community is nothing more than a stop on Gunner's aspirations and he wants to add "oversaw the construction of a STEM Campus as superintendent" to his resume. Us local people who belong here and deserve to be part of the decision making will be saddled with decades of debt so Gunner can pad his resume. Can't you see that his whole rent-the-laptops is just part of his doctoral thesis?
I am tired of your being so fake (i.e."Please help me to understand why Gunners residence is an issue"). You want to come on here and pretend to be open minded but your agenda is set. You don't care about hearing the other side out, just dedicated to parroting the talking points over and over. Do you really trust these men (BOE and Gunner)? You are nothing but their tool and brainwashed mouthpiece, does it soothe the self esteem that such great minds rely upon you?

beborcott

100% agree. Great comment!

DLK

Best comment on here!

Bherrle

Pyrate,

No, what it is, is outright appalling what some people will say, without having to put their name on it. It goes directly to your credibility. You chose to make a baseless allegation against the BOE and me personally. No facts to back it up, just conjecture. Why is it you are not willing to put your name behind it?

Speaking of facts, let's set a few straight. The Comm. Director makes $65,000 per year, not $95,000. Yes, I have tried some things in the past 7 years that haven't worked out as I thought they would, but I was relocated here by a company who offered me a promotion. If you want to attack me for taking some chances, and trying different things, go ahead. I have a right to state my opinion just like you do.

As for the rest of your comments, I don't see Dr. Gunner trying to pad his resume. In my opinion, had he wanted to do that, he could have left education for the IT world a long time ago. I'm not at all fake, and I'm not pretending. I say what I mean. If I don't agree with something, I'll say it (such as the issue of Dr. Gunner's residence.) I am open minded. Make a factual argument. I'll hear that out. Tell me how you would address the funding and facility issues. I'll hear it out. If you want to accuse and make false statements about people's intentions, I won't hear that out, I will refute it.

You can say what you want, but I am my own man with my own mind. Yes, I trust the BOE and Dr. Gunner. They do not rely on me at all.

Edwin Ison

Inappropriate intimidation.

Edwin Ison

Stop the intimidation tactics.

Perkins2060

This is about parents not being able to afford the fees and have been scared by Gunner. They want us to pay it for them. Nothing more to say.

Suitcase Simpson

This blog has been completely polluted by teachers, administrators and probably some paid bloggers. Obviously, if they used our tax dollars to print and mail that atrocious pirate publication which was pure brainwashing material in favor of the levee, they would stoop to paying bloggers!
I SHALL NOT support another levee until the teachers agree to take and PASS a basic proficiency exam in the subjects the 'supposedly' teach! They have fought this tooth and nail for years. They laugh at the taxpayer as they collect the big pay, laptop computers and amazing retirements and benefits! Don't fall for their 'sky is falling' routine. They are afraid they might have to put off their next expensive car purchase if the taxpayer wakes up! Have you ever looked at how nice the cars are in the school employee parking lots? They look like new car lots, nothing over 2 years old. VOTE NO and send a message that the taxpayer will no longer carry their behinds!

StayInformed

Suitcase Simpson-

Know your facts! Each teacher is required to take Praxis exams in each of their subject areas before they are licensed. They are also required to pass general knowledge exams as well .

Are you paid to blog?

Are you sure you are not looking at the student lot?

fifteenthgreen

Probably not paid as well as the teachers are to teach an "effective" state rated education.

donutshopguy

This vote boils down to one thought. At what level does the taxpaying public wish to support their schools. Some wish the bar to be raised to the highest standard. Others don't believe this cost and level are justified.

I analyse my decision on four generations.

First, on the older crowd who are on a fixed income. Can they afford this increase? How many citizens will we put out of their homes because they can't pay this additional tax?

Second, on my generation of baby boomers. We are entering a new life where our incomes will be fixed. What can we afford for the remainder of our lives in the way of taxes? Is there anyway to stop the unchecked need for money from the public sector?

Third, my children. Will their incomes be able to maintain this level of entitlement we have left them with? Are we strapping them with costs they can maintain ? There are less income producing taxpayers than the previous generation.

Fourth, my grandchildren. Have we provided them with adequate resources to become a success if they put forth the effort?

Suitcase Simpson

Don't you remember the whole SB5 fiasco? Lots of teachers taking paid time to go to columbus and dress up in cheese head costumes, etc, because they might have to actually pay a portion toward their retirement and insurance? Seriously, folks, the school employees have been coddled for too long. And the teachers REFUSE to take basic proficiency exams in their own classes. Don't doubt this. Their union was furious that they might be asked to prove they even know the subjects they're teaching!

Centauri

"Don't you remember the whole SB5 fiasco? Lots of teachers taking paid time to go to columbus and dress up in cheese head costumes, etc, because they might have to actually pay a portion toward their retirement and insurance?"

Will anybody dispute Suitcase Simpson's comment?

Strong Schools ...

Not on Perkins teacher took paid time to go to Columbus! Read my later post on the Praxis and staying certified to be a teacher! Stop trying to start drama and stay focused. Vote yes and support the students.

Suitcase Simpson

They have the whole summer to laze around. They have weeks and weeks off during the school year. Never miss a holiday. Disgusting! And those masters degrees they brag about? What do you want to bet they get them from online schools via their FREE laptops! They can no longer fool the people. We have had enough! It is VOTE NO time!

believeit

Hopefully few can even possibly believe the information you spout. First, a teacher can only teach when school is in session. They don't make the schedule. Secondly, many teachers work summer jobs (and holiday part-time jobs), or are taking classes to maintain the certifications they hold, not lazing around. The laptop program, or some other form of technological training, is the goal of practically every district in the country. Perkins just happens to a pioneer and awarded leader in the movement. You certainly have the right to vote no, but posting distortions to try to support your vote is what is disgusting.

Strong Schools ...

You are totally off on your posts and it is disgusting what you are saying about the teachers! I am proud of the educators I have come across over the years and our children have benefited a lot form our amazing teachers. They sacrifice a lot and work multiple jobs both inside and outside of school! Vote Yes!

Centauri

It is illegal in Ohio to promote a school levy using taxpayer funds.

The Perkins School District puts out a news letter called "PerkinsPirate" to postal customers in the Perkins Local School District.

I have a copy of the August 2013 issue that has 4 pages. All 4 pages promote the school levy. I did not see a disclaimer that would show that taxpayer funds were not used. It is illegal in Ohio to promote school levies using taxpayer dollars.

I am very busy at the moment and did a quick search of the internet looking for the PDF of the August 2013 issue of the PerkinsPirate. I was unable to find it.

I did find the March 2013 and April 2013 issues PDF.

http://www.perkinsschools.org/Do...

http://www.perkinsschools.org/Do...

http://www.perkinsschools.org

Prove to me that the August 2013 issue is NOT promoting the school levy using taxpayer money. Go ahead and post the August 2013 PDF.

PTBarnumWouldBeProud

Centauri,

I'm looking at the same document that you are discussing, and based upon the information that I've been able to locate http://www.ohioschoolboards.org/... the school district isn't "promoting" the levy in the August school report. Are they discussing the economic impact of voting for (or against) the levy? Yes, which based upon the aforementioned document, they are able to do. I've read through the document, and I'm unable to locate where they are telling voters how to vote.

If this document had a "vote yes" message, then they would be in the wrong. Do the folks who published this document want you to vote for the levy? I think the answer to that question is very obvious. Did they tell you how to vote? No, they didn't.

Centauri

Thank you for posting that link.

You say "the school district isn't "promoting" the levy in the August school report."

You say "Do the folks who published this document want you to vote for the levy? I think the answer to that question is very obvious."

That would be promoting the levy, no ifs or buts.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreed...
"promote (Advance), verb advocate, advance in rank, aggrandize, better, dignify, elevate, encourage, exalt, favor, forward, further, graduate, help, magnify, move up, pass, prefer, producere, promovere, provehere, push up, raise, upgrade"

"promote (Organize), verb abet, advertise, advocate, aid in organizing, assist, avail, back, befriend, benefit, bestead, bolster, build up, carry on, champion, come to the aid of, connribute to, cooperate, cultivate, develop, encourage, facilitate, foster, further, help, hold up, lend a hand, maintain, nourish, nurse, nurture, patronize, propagandize, push, render a servvce to, sanction, second, serve, speak for, speed, sponsor, stir up, subscribe to, subserve, support, sustain, uphold, urge"

Promoting is exactly what the school is doing with the August 2013 issue of PerkinsPirate. Compare the August 2013 issue with the March 2013 and April 2013 issues that I provided links to.

Here are the topics in the August 2013.
Page 1 "Perkins August Levy Could Save Taxpayers 12.5% before New Law Takes Affect." (Should "Affect" be "Effect?)
"Special Election on August 6th"

Page 2, 3 "Questions and Answers"

Page 4 "Sample August Ballot Language Listed Below"
PROPOSED TAX LEVY (ADDITIONAL)
PERKINS LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT

From the link that you posted:
"This language
allows boards to use public funds to
publish and distribute communications,
as long as the purpose behind the
communication is to provide information
about the school district and not to SWAY
the recipient of the communication."

"A board of education may charge the
levy committee a fee and establish
regulations and conditions that govern
the use of the space. Boards should
review their board policies to determine
the regulations that apply to the
community’s use of district property.
The statute requires such meetings to
be nonexclusive and open to the general
public."

"Regardless of where the meetings
occur, it is important to remember that
a board member’s attendance at levy
committee meetings may be subject to
Ohio’s Open Meetings Law"

"If a majority of the
board members are present
only as observers and do
not discuss board business,
then there is no “meeting”
under the Open Meetings
Law."

"Using school resources--
Just as a board may permit
community groups to use its real
property, such as buildings, for
meetings, it also may permit use of its
personal property. Common examples
include telephones, postage meters and
other equipment and supplies under the
board’s control."

"As
discussed in more detail below, boards
should be prepared to permit the use of
its resources by ANTI-LEVY groups once it
provides use by pro-levy groups."

http://www.ohioschoolboards.org/...

http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.g...

PTBarnumWouldBeProud

To paraphrase Bill Clinton, "it depends on what your definition of "sway" is. :)

samiam

Support our Students and Support our Schools sure doesn't sound like Vote No to me! So I would say that the material is subliminally urging one to vote in favor of the levy or yes.

bobshumway92

Vote NO!

Kelly

VOTE YES!!

bobshumway92

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brassman

LOL Who?

Kelly

I think he meant me which shows just how ignorant and biased he is.

bobshumway92

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EZOB

I'm tired and broke of the slogan, "It's for the Children". My new slogan, 'VOTE FOR THE SENIORS'. Those of us that have paid all these years and now it's time to slow down on the spending, NOT speed up.
I've contacted the ACLU in Cleveland. I'm getting ready to start a class action "Discrimination" lawsuit against Gunner personally and the school board. Our "NO" votes should last longer than three months.

observer

Nice letter in the Register today from Bob Weichel on why we should NOT vote for this levy. I truly hope everyone reads it.

Kelly

I didn't find it all that compelling. VOTE YES!

bobshumway92

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Strong Schools ...

His letter has made me vote yes even more!

EZOB

CONTACT:
We "NO" voters need Help.
Chris Redfern Ohio Representative 89 district.
Randy Gardner Ohio Senator District 2. It's time they represent the majority & Seniors.

Strong Schools ...

This is the last time to get the state's 12.5% rollback for this levy & for the duration of the levy AND any renewals. Vote yes now and save a lot of money in the future!

donutshopguy

With the state increasing sales tax without a vote and eliminating the homestead reduction without a vote I will be voting "NO" on the school levy.

With the county increasing sales tax without a vote I will be voting "NO" on the school levy.

I only have so much money to distribute to the "public" sector. Sorry schools, the state and county took your share without my vote.

Now you know why I am against giving that power to the school board to build a academy without a public vote. Doesn't feel to good to have your money taken without a vote?

goodtime1212

There is a lot of talk about the teachers and how they care for the students, or put in a lot free time for the students. Remember that they went on strike a few years back, walked out on the students encouraged the high school kids to crawl out windows to support them on the line, yelled curs words in front grade school kids, yep its all for the kids.

Kelly

No, I don't remember anything of the sort. I remember a very short strike with extremely well behaved teachers. Nice try.

fifteenthgreen

The strike at the high school was nuts. I remember!

goodtime1212

Kelly you must have been at a different school then. Not sure what year It was but I know there is a pic. in the register of a student crawling out a window, and I believe they did a story on the teachers yelling curs words to the replacements while the grad school kids were walking into school.

44870pt

After seeing the Perkins' teachers annual salary figures for 2013-14, I compared that information to literature released recently by the District, as well as information on the ODE website, showing OAA test results in specific grade/subject areas. The OAA is one very important measure of what a student should know in a particular subject area by the end of a specific grade year. Unfortunately, 8th grade students--as a whole--have been unable to "pass" the OAA science test in all of the past 6 years. It would be somewhat easier to explain and understand one or two years of non-passing student performance, but 6 straight years of failure? How do teachers keep their jobs under these circumstances? If the same teachers haven't been instructing 8th grade science since 2006-2007, then is the Curriculum Director not doing their job by effectively communicating state science standards? Issues like these cause me to lose faith in the District's ability to solve long-term problems regarding the education of its students. Perhaps if teachers/administrators were truly held accountable for educational failures such as these, and these failures were handled proactively instead of reactively, more community support for the District's levy(ies) would be forthcoming.

believeit

You need to learn how to read the test scores - "8th grade students as a whole have been unable to pass the science tests" is not even close to being correct.

AllTheAnswers

Six decades of a yes vote, this has been the most gut wrenching decision. I and my family members will be voting yes. Yet that is not an endorsement for this Super or BOE. I still would like to see a committee of "lifers" formed to oversee/advise Gunner Kingdom. Butcher, Shoff, Johnson, Haggerty, Roshong, Arndt, Pitts, Janintszki, Rectenwald, Norman, and throw in DonutShopGuy as the voice of the community. Gunner has rolled over the BOE, he needs another group of people in the education field to oversee his activities. This is really a moment in time we need to rally for the community (vote yes) but hold Gunner/BOE accountable (November election, formation of advisory committee). Unchecked, no trust in Gunner's decisions. And finally, Dr. Gunner please donate an appropriate amount of $ back to Perkins (tax rate on a $225,000 home over the length of your employment and move INTO Perkins township within 3 months of vote). Be a true LEADER.

bobshumway92

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EZOB

AllThe Answers,
Six Decades of Yes Votes??? I don't think it took all that much thought from you on which way you were going to vote. If you did take time to think about it, I hope it was because you finally tabulated how much your taxes have icreased and how much already goes to the schools, 75%?

EZOB

Doctor of What, Proctology?

Darkhorse

The problem is the union and their salary, benefits and health care. It is not sustainable.

ron123rob

In response to the Perkins Board of Education’s article in the July 17 Sandusky Register; that states that the proposed 6.37 mill levy is not for building a new high school, but for operations. This levy is to replace the 5.2 mills moved to permanent improvements. Had they not moved the 5.2 mills, they would have had operating money!

Had the Board not changed the inside millage to permanent improvement, they would not have realized a loss of $2.2 million a year in operating funds, 5.2 mills, and therefore averted the crisis in which they find themselves. They took this step for the sole reason to build a new facility without a vote of the public. By reversing that action, they will be able to smooth out the operating funds immediately, Jan. 1, 2014, and only have to ask for a small additional millage to supplement the 5.2 mills, possible 1.5 or so.

My suggestion is to put to rest any talk about new facilities period! Move the 5.2 mills back to operating giving us money to pay staff and all other operational costs. Avoid threats to charge outlandish fees for students to participate in sports and other extra-curricular activities.
After doing this, then seek additional operational needs. Is that asking too much? This would go a long way in bringing the community back together.

How bout that

Well said my thoughts exactly. Gunner and the Board were willing to use the students,faculty,staff,and programs as pawns in order to get their new building projects. The operating deficit would not be nearly as big had monies not been moved.

Strong Schools ...

Run for the school board and put your suggestions on the table. The board will not make any further decisions until after the November election. If the public is this upset then they will either run for the board or elect new board members. Don't take this out on our children in August. Vote Yes!

samiam

"The board will not make any further decisions until after the November election." That's because they won't get any money from this levy until February 2014 at the earliest.

44870pt

I would like to see the creation of a volunteer Perkins Schools Advisory Committee. Ideally, this committee would meet with Gunner and the Board on a monthly basis for the purposes of providing input and feedback on issues affecting the school district. In order to be effective, this committee would need to be demographically representative of the District as a whole. Committee members should be comprised of two District employees (one certified and one classified), a male or female tax-paying middle-class minority, a local business owner/executive, a parent of a child who attends Perkins Schools, a senior citizen and a retired superintendent (preferably not a former employee of Perkins Schools). Although I understand the current Board believes they act in the best interests of the school district, they are not truly demographically representative of the residents within the district. Sadly, I think there's a perceived aura of arrogance and superiority surrounding the actions and attitudes of Board members. Perhaps the creation of a Perkins Schools Advisory Committee would serve as a feeder system for those interested in obtaining a seat on the Board. This would help create a Board more representative of the district's residents. I have spoken with people who would like to serve, but are not well known within the district and believe this would compromise their ability to be elected. This Advisory Committee would help ensure opinions more representative of the district's demographics are heard in regard to school district matters.

eriemom

What you describe is a Board of Education meeting held in public. How and whom will decide the members of the advisory committee? By vote? Isn't this how we decide whom will serve as BOE members.

While I agree that the district's administration does not represent the area's demographics I am not sure about the best way to rectify this problem. Let's flesh out your idea.

Centauri

Question to all:

Are there any pro school levy signs on school property?

DLK

Anything that says "vote yes" or "support our school/students" is considered pro levy....drive past the schools, you will see these on each marquee. This CANNOT be done without a disclaimer from the levy committee. The school allowing pro levy signs on school property also opens the door for anti levy signs....meaning, the school has to allow "vote no" signs on their property as well. Check with the the Board of Elections.

No employee (i.e. Communications Director) can use school time or resources to promote the levy. I heard this is being done.

All the school can do is provide facts. This is even questionable.

Strong Schools ...

No

Equity

There are no pro school levy signs on school property, but I do see "no" signs on Campbell Street. I wonder if the nay sayers have registered with the board of elections. Does anyone know?

Lil DAB

Why would the "nay sayers" have to register with the board of elections? If they aren't an organized group collecting money or for profit, they can put out whatever signs they choose as long as they are within zoning criteria.

Equity

If there is any money spent, you have to register with the Board of Elections. A hand made sign that you personally made is OK. These signs look like they were printed and I don't think there is a disclaimer, so they have to register with the Board of Elections.

Equity

Every political communication or publication or independent expenditure made in support of or opposition to any ballot issue must include a readable disclaimer. A complete disclaimer is comprised of the phrase, “Paid for by,” followed by the name of the committee, the name and title of the campaign committee chairperson, treasurer or secretary and a residence street address or business street address. A disclaimer may use a post office box in addition to, but not in lieu of, a complete street address.

DLK

This is false Equity. Check the marquee in front of each school. Support our schools/students is considered pro levy. The school cannot do this nor do I see a disclaimer by a levy committee. Check with your board of elections, you no longer need a treasurer and address listed either, just the "Paid for by" disclaimer.

Equity

No, it is not. If you don't believe it check with the Board of Elections 419-627-7601 or check the law Ohio Revised Code 3517.20

Resident51

DLK is correct. This is a recent change.

Strong Schools ...

They are not telling you how to support. It does not say vote yes! But, you should vote yes!

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