Jul 12, 2013

What's new with the water lawsuit Sandusky filed against Erie County?

Can you provide an update on Sandusky's and Erie County's legal action regarding the $8.5 million water lawsuit? It's been months since the action was taken. George from Sandusky

 

Some meetings with lawyers and officials have happened in the past few months, but there's been no major developments providing any sort of resolution, according to Erie County administrator Pete Daniel and commissioner Pat Shenigo.

In November, Sandusky city commissioners agreed to sue Erie County for $8.5 million.

The city contends, among other things, that the county failed to live up to a 2006 water agreement. The city wants $8.5 million in damages and attorney fees, according to the lawsuit.

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Comments

sandusky2012

I think the county needs to start suing the residents whom don't pay their property taxes like they are supposed to!!!!!

Julie R.

Even better, people need to start suing the corrupt county for all the ILLEGAL crap they are pulling off on property!

Centauri

LuvsPlant is way behind in her property taxes.

pavedparadise

Where are comments from the City Commission, or better yet, the City Manager initiator of thee lawsuit?

JohnDorian12

The City Manager doesn't feel like she needs to answer to or comment on anything regarding the city and the commission, they don't agree on anything.....

middleclassworker

We need the county to begin investing in a water treatment facility of their own !!! The city has abused it's power with the county thru water charges for way too long. Sandusky uses the water department to subsided other departments within the city with fuel, vehicles, equipment, and man power. The water system is nothing more than a cash cow for the city. Government supplied water should be non-profit !! extra money should be used for system repairs and upgrades only.....not to support the general fund.

Julie R.

As long as this is about the COUNTY ......

I recently requested through the Right to Information Act a list of the people who have so far received the monies from the $3 million dollar unclaimed funds account at Citizens Bank that the COUNTY claimed nobody knew about but the former Clerk of Court Barb Johnson. Ms. Wilson contacted me and said she could not provide a list because she doesn't have one. (???) I then asked why not? The new Cuyahoga County Clerk of Court had an audit done and found 23 million in unclaimed funds and she has a list of the parties the funds are owed to and is even putting the names online. I may be wrong, but I believe Ms. Wilson said the 3 million in unclaimed funds in Erie County is different than the 23 million of unclaimed funds found in Cuyahoga County. She also said the Sandusky Register was incorrect when they reported that the monies from the unclaimed funds was owed to attorneys.

Because I really didn't understand her explanation at all, I then sent her another letter requesting that she put her explanation in writing so I may better understand it. She then contacted me again and told me the same thing ---- she can't provide me with a list because she doesn't have a list so I asked her, once again, to provide me with her explanation in writing. She then said she would have to ask the prosecutor if she could do that. (???)

Now I truly didn't understand that at all. If she could give me an explanation over the phone, why would she need to ask the prosecutor if she could provide me with the explanation in writing?

LuvsPlant

Don't you get it Suzanne? There is no 3 million dollars!

Julie R.

What do you mean there is no 3 million dollars? That's all we heard about ~ even before the death of Barb Johnson ~ that the county found 3 million dollars of unclaimed funds in the clerk of court's account at Citizens Bank that they claimed nobody in the county knew about but Barb Johnson. The SR called it "The $3 Million Dollar Mystery Account." (You might also check out the removejohnson blog) First, it was unclaimed funds owed to people that didn't know they were owed refunds after the conclusion of their cases, then we heard that the 3 million belonged to attorneys. Wasn't there an article in the SR not too long ago that the clerk's office had already distributed some of the unclaimed funds?

And now you're saying there is no 3 million dollars? Make up your mind, Eeeerie County!

Centauri

"Don't you get it Suzanne? There is no 3 million dollars!"

Can you explain further? No money? Did somebody steal it?

http://www.ohio.com/news/break-n...
"The clerk’s office in Cuyahoga County said it owes people $23 million in refundable court fees and bond payments in cases dating back to the 1980s."

What happened to that $3 million owed to the people?

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...
"The Erie County clerk of courts has been sitting on millions of dollars for years, but the money is owed to hundreds if not thousands of people.

And the bulk of those people have no idea they're entitled to a piece of this $3 million pie, a Register investigation has found.

Since at least the late 1980s, the money has slowly accumulated in an interest-bearing bank account controlled by former clerk of courts Barb Johnson."

To the Sandusky Register, what happened to that $3 million and why is permission needed from the Erie County Ohio prosecutor?

Centauri

"Don't you get it Suzanne? There is no 3 million dollars!"

Once again, what happened to the $3 million?

W***Y V**E*

Centauri

"There is no 3 million dollars!"

Who has the answer to where that $3 million went?

W***A M***R 3323 K***SWO**

Centauri

"There is no 3 million dollars!"

So where did the $3 million go? Nobody is saying so I have to ask LuvsPlant again.

For shame LuvsPlant, for shame. You owe almost $4000 in property taxes. Why are you so far behind in your delinquent property taxes? Are you waiting for somebody to forgive your taxes?

LuvsPlant

Suzanne, I love how people that don't vote are the first ones to b&$*h! Just continue to hide behind your computer and spew your crap!

Julie R.

Who doesn't vote? Certainly not me! I also never give anybody a courtesy vote that doesn't have an opponent --- which is the majority of the county public officials ..... like Kevin Baxter, Beverly McGookey and now Tygh Tone and Roger Binette.

So what are you referring to as crap?

Centauri

"Suzanne, I love how people that don't vote are the first ones to b&$*h! Just continue to hide behind your computer and spew your crap!"

I see you LuvsPlant. Are you trying to hide from me? Should I post your delinquent property tax information? Why is your property tax bill being mailed out of state while you live in Ohio? I can understand since the Erie County (Ohio) Auditor's records are so messed up with incorrect and false information.

LuvsPlant

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Julie R.

Gee, I don't think "Suzanne" is going to like you posting that she didn't vote at one time --- but at least she's voting now!

So if the new clerk of court Ms. Wilson can give an explanation over the phone as to why she doesn't have a list of the parties that the "$3 Million Dollar Mystery Account" of unclaimed funds is going to, why does she have to ask the prosecutor's office if she can put the explanation in writing?

LuvsPlant

Why should she put it in writing, Suzanne if she told you personally? Perhaps she's not as stupid as you may think. God knows you'd use anything in writing against her or any other elected official. At least she called you. That's more than the other elected officials have done!!

Don't vote, then don't complain.

Julie R.

If everything is on the up and up about this $3 million dollar mystery account, how could anybody possibly use something in writing against the new clerk of court or any other elected official?

(I also really hate seeing somebody else get the credit for what I say but nevertheless carry on)

LuvsPlant

Clearly you are out for Erie County elected official blood. You can't even admit your identity. I'd be hiding too with the crap you post.

Here's a suggestion. Either solve your issues with the county or move. Your ramblings on the register website don't solve a thing. Just make you look ignorant and whiney.

Julie R.

Just because a former auditor authorized a fraudulent transfer of my mother's property seven months before her death, a former recorder knowingly filed fraud documents, a court allowed attorneys to file a forged will two years after her death and another court worked in collusion with a former sheriff to sell her property with serious defects in the title with one of the beneficiaries defrauded at a scam sheriff sale doesn't mean I'm "clearly out for Erie County elected official blood." I didn't have it in for the elected public official Barb Johnson --- but the moderator of that vicious removejohnson blog sure did!

Centauri

"Here's a suggestion. Either solve your issues with the county or move. Your ramblings on the register website don't solve a thing. Just make you look ignorant and whiney."

Gee Luvsplant, you should look in the mirror. You are delinquent in your property taxes. Are you waiting for somebody to forgive and write off your taxes?

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...
"Erie County auditor Rick Jeffrey can't pinpoint exactly how $147,024 went missing from the county's general fund years ago, but the discrepancies are documented in the state auditor’s evaluations on local finances obtained by the Register through a public records request."

Dig deeper Sandusky Register. Maybe this will help.
http://photos.ramseym.com/pictur...

Julie R.

Clearly you are trying to avoid the issue. All we ever heard about before the death of Barb Johnson and then after her death was this $3 Million Dollar Mystery Account of unclaimed funds. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we then hear the monies belonged to attorneys? I believe we did because I questioned that right away. After all, attorneys sure don't use their own money when they file things on behalf of clients.

So once again, if everything is on the up and up about the $3 Million Dollar Mystery Account, how could anybody possibly use something put in writing against the new clerk or any other elected public official? Personally, I really can't see what the big deal is. I don't see the clerk in Cuyahoga County making a big deal out of making public the names of the parties that are receiving the 23 million in unclaimed funds they found during an audit.

Centauri

"n November, Sandusky city commissioners agreed to sue Erie County for $8.5 million."

Will the attorneys take a percentage?

Julie R.

If Cuyahoga County could find 23 million in unclaimed funds and list the cases and names of the parties that the monies belong to, one might have to wonder why Erie County doesn't have a list for the $3 million. Are the monies from cases that were never addressed? After all, didn't they say that Maschari had a ton of back-logged cases? Or maybe it comes from cases that were never addressed INTENTIONALLY ---- sort of like the crap the common pleas court and the probate court pulled off from that scam sheriff sale of my deceased mother and stepfather's property when they were still sitting on what was left of the money from that scam almost four years after the fact.

Julie R.

I sure wish the new clerk of court Luvada Wilson would get moving and get records online. I can't WAIT to see what that scam sheriff sale looks like.

Julie R.

I received the explanation in writing from Ms. Luvada Wilson that I requested ---- or should I say Ms. Wilson might have signed it but it's obvious the explanation came from somebody in the prosecutor's office. The explanation in writing makes about as much sense as what Ms. Wilson told me on the phone. In other words, for lack of a better word, I think it's nothing but CRAP.

It states in part: "This office does not maintain a record of a 'list of the parties' therein referenced in your letter nor are we required to create such a list."

Duh ..... are we talking about the same thing here? All we heard about for months on end was how the Erie County Clerk's office was sitting on millions of dollars since the late 1980's that was owed to hundreds, if not thousands, of people and how the bulk of those people didn't even know they were entitled to a piece of the $3 million dollar pie that was in an interest-bearing account that nobody in the county knew about but the former clerk Barb Johnson ........ yet the clerk's office is now saying "they are not required to create a list" of the hundreds, if not thousands, of people that are entitled to a piece of this $3 million dollar pie?

It further goes on the state: "If however, you are referring to the lists of unclaimed claimed costs pursuant to ORC 2335.34 and ORC 2335.35, those lists are advertised on the first Monday of January each year, one year PROCEEDING the first Monday of January, for 30 days. Thus, as required by statute, my administration advertised that one year requirement (year proceeding) as so noted."

Once again, are we talking about the same thing here? Are we talking about the $3 Million of Unclaimed Funds that was reported to be owed to hundreds, if not thousands, of people? It sure doesn't appear we are! Is this explanation intended to be misleading or what?

It then goes on to say: "Enclosed please find the list of the unclaimed funds sent to the Auditor's office, which includes the amount of payment, the payee and the check number as prescribed by the aforementioned statute."

Duh, once again, is this "list" supposed to be in reference to the 3 million dollars of unclaimed funds that is owed to hundreds, if not thousands, of people? If so, what a joke. The list only names 28 people, it doesn't give a case number or the year of the case and the grand total of the list only comes to $6,436.38.

Julie R.

Gee, that list of 28 names that the clerk of court's office provided with a grand total of $6,436.38 sure can't be from the $3 million dollars of unclaimed funds dating back to the 1980's. That list instead must be must be from recent cases.

Most of the 28 received very small refunds. The biggest refund was $2,443.70 and I'm not sure without checking but it seems to me that was one of the Cedar Point Road people that fought to keep their property a rental. Another big refund of $1,322.09 went to an LLC and I'm not sure without checking but it seems to me that LLC was also one of the owners to a rental property on Cedar Point Road.

If so, why did they receive such big refunds for their cases? Other people sure don't. In a twist of irony, I had a dirt-bag attorney that bilked me out of lot of money (theft of a client's fees) only to work in collusion with the Erie County courts by filing a scam partition action on my behalf without my knowledge or consent to have the property I inherited ~ with serious defects in the title caused by the fraudulent transfer of my mother's half ~ sold at a scam sheriff sale. The illegal court-ordered Eeeerie County scam was pulled off so the property ~ owned for almost 40 years scot-free and clear with never any back taxes owing ~ could be sold to a realtor and one of the fraud power of attorneys Huronites to use as RENTAL PROPERTY. (gee, how ironic is that)

Julie R.

Wonder why I didn't receive any refund of that scam partition action that was filed on my behalf without my knowlege or consent?

("An attorney may not file and/or dismiss anything on behalf of a client without the client's written consent ---- if an attorney has more than one client, the attorney may not file and/or dismiss anything without the written consent of all clients")

Sure hope that dirt-bag attorney didn't receive any refund. After I fired the crook, ANOTHER attorney in his firm ~ who sure wasn't my attorney and the joke courts knew it ~ started filing things on my behalf without my knowledge.

Guess I'm going to have to go down to the clerk's office and check to see if that snake might have received a refund from that illegal scam, too. If so, Baxter's office here I come.