Jul 5, 2013

How many people are on welfare?

How do I find out how many people in the city of Sandusky are on welfare? Is a list of these folks available? How much of our taxes cover this as citizens? John on Wayne St.

A June 21 Register story indicated about $9 million has been spent on welfare from 2008 through 2012. The figures came from Erie County Job and Family Services.

Erie County Job and Family Services is mostly funded through state tax money but also receives local taxes for operations as well.

About 250 Erie County residents receive welfare. Department workers are prohibited from indicating exactly who receives welfare or what communities — Erie County's cities, townships and villages — these funds go to.

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deertracker

That's 250 county residents, not just city. Why do you need to know who? Are you going to offer them a job? Get a life JOHN!

MissPatti

I think we need to define welfare. In this case, the 250 residents receive cash payments, probably TANF. This number does not reflect recipients of social security disability, WIC, school lunch, food stamp, medicaid, utility bill assistance, HAMP (mortgage assistance), childcare, which many people consider to be welfare. A more meaningful number is the percentage of citizens receiving any type of tax-payer funded support, called "Rate of Dependency on Income Supports," which in Erie County is 23.5%. (See page 2 of this doc: http://jfs.ohio.gov/county/cntyp... )As a nation, we should be ashamed that this many of our citizens cannot experience the joy of being part of a self-sufficient family unit.

SKULLNBONES

Thank you MissPatti. About 13,000 people in Erie Country receive assistance under the following programs: Ohio Work First, Disability Financial Assistance, and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. How could the Register be SO FAR OFF?! See page 31 at: http://jfs.ohio.gov/pams/Reports....

The Big Dog's back

Another right winger with to much time on his hands. Do some community work john.

Darwin's choice

People on assistance nationally is up 158% since Obama was elected. 47 million+. How about you doing something besides barking about anything Obama? No matter who says, or whats said, local welfare is going up....

coasterfan

Nice try, Darwin, but I think we all know that the reason more people are on welfare and/or food stamps is because of the double-digit unemployment that was a direct result of the Bush Recession of 2007-2008. Thankfully, unemployment has continued to go down month by month under Obama, albeit slowly. We still have a ways to go, but anyone who doesn't think that the country is in better shape today than it was in late 2008 - at the end of the worst recession in 80 years - has some issues with reality...

Darwin's choice

Nice try Coasterfan, but the more gravy you try to put on the burned roast(Obama), the further from reality you seem to be! Obama's failure's are monumental, including the unemployment freefall. The true reason for the numbers going down is simply because people have given up looking! Your continued blathering about Obama's greatness shows a severe issue with reality.....!

The Big Dog's back

durwood, what was the Repub plan to get us out of the mess they created in 2008?

Darwin's choice

What's Obama's? He is currently clueless, with all his previous business experience......

Darwin's choice

And, yet again, the Big Dog and pony show. No answers, just gravy on the burned roast!

Darwin's choice

But, at least Coasterfan admitted above that the current number of people on assistance is higher than anytime in history, and climbing. Obama fail.

The Big Dog's back

Just as I thought, no answer.

Darwin's choice

So, let me get this straight, you want me to answer what the republican plan is to save us? Well, first priority should be to get rid of the blamer in chief.........

The Big Dog's back

I'm waiting.

JACKEL

We have the distinction of being one of 11 states that have more people on welfare than working !

The Big Dog's back

kassick, a Repub is Governor. What are you trying to say?

JACKEL

We elected Bozo.Did you hear we are spending 100mil to send him to Africa and then stupid enough to bring him back !We are nuts !

arnmcrmn

Darwin killing the pooch once again.

stayfit

The recession has a lot more to do with policies and decisions long before Bush (Reagan Administration borrowing from social security). Also, there is a student loan crisis, a credit crisis and housing crisis. This is the results of 'the people' making poor decisions in purchasing and creditors making poor decisions in forking out loans. Bush's wars did not help, but neither policies by Clinton, George Sr. or Reagan. All of them have ignored the debt crisis. Also, in 1970 a student could pay for their tuition on a minimum wage job at 10-hours-per-week. You couldn't pay tuition/Room and Board at most universities today at $20k-per-year. Policymakers have been crappy for a lot longer than George Jr.

so.....

Amen

The Big Dog's back

Why would we expect the Repubs to take ownership of the Great Recession of 2008? They have never taken ownership of the Great Depression of 1932.

Contango

As is said:

As long as the govt. can rob Peter to pay Paul, it will always have the support of Paul.

i.e.: Building the Democrat Party constituency one check at a time.

Sandusksquach

250 checks

The Big Dog's back

How about Peter robbing Paul the last 30+ plus years. Wages, benefits.

Contango

Re: "Wages, benefits."

Not to worry DERPY, under your socialism eventually no one will have to work and EVERYTHING will be FREE.

The Big Dog's back

You said 5 years ago we would be a Socialist/Communist country within a year of Obama being elected. When's it going to happen derp? All the right wing media also said this. Why haven't you questioned faux news and rush about that?

Contango

Re: "When's it going to happen?"

Make up your mind DERPY.

Either you hate capitalism and love socialism or NOT. SHEESH!

coasterfan

Contango: although Republicans tend to see most things in black & white fashion, it's not that simple. I would contend that most Republicans do like receiving Social Security checks, do like having their streets snowplowed, do like having Medicare help pay their medical bills when they are retired, do like having their streets paved/repaired, do like it when streetlights and traffic lights work.

Guess what: all of the above are examples of socialism: we pay into a collective pot and the money is used for the common good. The sad part, of course, is that Republicans grouse when they have to pay into the pot for other people (see 47% comment), but have no problem accepting money from the socialistic purse when the hurricane/tornado hits their house, or (gasp) when they become unemployed.

I can partially excuse them from being hypocrites for the simple reason that most of them don't have any idea what socialism really is. They just lump it in with all the other "isms", not realizing that they have benefitted from socialist things since they were born.

Contango

Re: "Republicans tend to see most things in black & white fashion,"

As do the Progressive-Fabian Socialists i.e. Democrats.

"it's not that simple."

You don't say? :)

8ballinthesidepocket

Re: Coasterfan

Can you really be that ignorant? You only get Social Security checks IF and ONLY IF you put money into the pot through your payroll deduction for FICA. If you didn't put in any money you cannot draw social security, it is not a benefit it is a partial refund for "loaning the government" money throughout your working career. BTW, unless you live until over 100 you never receive back all the money you put in and your employer put into the social security program. Medicare is the same way, you paid for it through payroll deduction. Did you ever work? Why don't you load your brain before you fire your mouth...but then you wouldn't qualify as a card carrying liberal!!!!

The Big Dog's back

I'd rather be a card carrying Liberal than a card carrying maroon.

JACKEL

Well we know you are not a Christian,gun totin redneck,because they don't want them in your Dumacrat Liberal Nazi party !That is according to one of you DNC Delegates,not me.

dorothy gale

If you are disabled, you CAN get SS and SSI even though you've never worked a day in your life. Not enough to live on, but you do get it. Kinda makes me mad but oh well.

coasterfan

Good point, BD. For about 20 years, Limbaugh/Hannity/Levin have been carping about the world "coming to an end as we know it". They are entertainers, to be sure, and not experts, but it does beg the question as to why anyone with any semblance of gray matter would still listen to them...

dontknowmuch

Since you seem to know what those cats are saying, its pretty obvious you are listening to them. Would that make you a closet Republican?

doglegright

Gee, I remember Al Gore and Ted Danson saying the world will end if we don't spend trillions to end "Global Warming". We are still here folks.

The Big Dog's back

Keep your friends close, your enemies even closer.

arnmcrmn

coaster...for someone who hates Fox News and its counterparts, you sure do have a deep obsession and clear history of watching that station like its your job.

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2cents

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The symbol (WMT) is for Wal-Mart, keep employing the Chinese my friends by shopping there! Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, not here!!

stepham2009

It's OK for CORPORATIONS to ROB us Big Dog.....Don't you know? The GOP has DEEMED corporations as PEOPLE....SMDH....John guess what??? MY taxes are PAYING for the SOCIAL SECURITY that you are PROBABLY getting....can I get a list with those names on it?????? GO GET A LIFE WILL YA?!?!?! May you NOR any of your family members EVER be in the situation where they may need a little help from public assistance....wouldn't want you SHAMED by having their names on "THE LIST".......

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2cents

http://www.statista.com/statisti...

Don't forget these corps. as well...

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Brick Hamland

250 seems low to me, would have thought it was much more. On my lunch hour i see that many on the streets walking around doing nothing if its sunny out... must be night shift workers

stepham2009

So are you the ONLY person who gets a lunch break???? SMH

samiam

Hard to believe that only 250 residents receive welfare in Erie County. What about subsidized housing? What about food stamps? What about WIC?

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2cents

About 10,000 on SNAP in Erie county 2009, probably double that now.

http://frac.org/pdf/ny_times_sna...

deertracker

It's hard to believe because you don't want it to be true. Would you prefer the number be higher? If you have no complaint about the slumlords collecting their big 'ol metro check each month don't complain about the ACTUAL people who need the help.

AJ Oliver

Hey "John on Decatur", while you were not looking (allowing yourself to be manipulated by the 1%) here is what they have done to us since 1980 (ie, Reaganomics) . .

We now rank 27th - behind not only Canada, but Cypres and Taiwan!

You are probably inumerate, so let me explain that what you see below is the destruction of the American working class . . .

Country Median Wealth per Adult

1. Australia $193,653
2. Luxembourg $153,967
3. Japan $141,410
4. Italy $123,710
5. Belgium $119,937
6. United Kingdom $115,245
7. Iceland $ 95,685
8. Singapore $ 95,542 (non-OECD)
9. Switzerland $ 87,137
10. Denmark $ 87,121
11. Austria $ 81,649
12. Canada $ 81,610
13. France $ 81,274
14. Norway $ 79,376
15. Finland $ 73,487
16. New Zealand $ 63,000
17. Netherlands $ 61,880
18. Ireland $ 60,953
19. Qatar $ 57,027 (non-OECD)
20. Spain $ 53,292
21. United Arab Emir. $ 47,998 (non-OECD)
22. Taiwan $ 45,451 (non-OECD)
23. Germany $ 42,222
24. Sweden $ 41,367
25. Cyprus $ 40,535 (non-OECD)
26. Kuwait $ 40,346 (non-OECD)
27. United States $ 38,786

coasterfan

I agree. Anyone who earns less than $250,000 per year who still votes Republican has a really, really short memory....

Darwin's choice

INEPTOCRACY: a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

The current administration.

Contango

Re: "Anyone who earns less than $250,000 per year,"

Don't confuse "wealth" with "income."

deertracker

Don't you confuse it either when it comes to the ACA!

Contango

Re: "25. Cyprus $ 40,535 (non-OECD)"

IMO, I'd wait for an "up-date" on Cyprus - will more than likely go LOWER.

Cyprus has lots of wealthy British retirees who were recently raped by the EBC's "bail-in" for anyone with over one million euros in the banks.

The European socialists are busy looking for assets to help prop up their failed economics policies.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finan...

SamAdams

These figures are meaningless without norming for other things such as the cost of living. Consider gas prices, for example. In the US, it's far lower than it is in England or Japan. Housing is cheaper here, too (especially when you consider dollars for square feet — living space in some places around the world makes New York City look almost reasonable). While healthcare and schooling may be cheaper (or free) in some parts of the world, tax rates are sky high to pay for them.

Bottom line: When you consider how much a dollar will buy, and how many of those dollars are actually yours to spend after earning them, the income disparities are nowhere NEAR what this chart "shows."

The Big Dog's back

Oh, why of course sam. How dare they conflict with your way of thinking. For shame. Bad, bad, bad.

SamAdams

It's not anybody's "way of thinking." It's simple fact. Comparing incomes in THIS country would be closer to the mark, but still wouldn't get you there. For example, an apartment that rents for $500 a month in Sandusky, Ohio would likely rent for $2,000 (or more) a month in New York City. That's a 200% difference. So a person making $35,000 a year in Sandusky would need to make $140,000 a year in NYC just to maintain a modest middle class lifestyle as s/he does here.

Yes, $140,000 a year sounds like a lot of money. And it's certainly a lot more than $35,000 a year! But is it REALLY when reality is taken into consideration?

Once again, since you seem incapable of grasping even the simplest facts: Income comparisons are immaterial unless you "norm" them against obvious factors. $15,000 a year would be RICH in some places in Africa; $50,000 a year would be POOR in some places in Europe, or even America.

Stop pretending all other things are equal. They're not. And A.J. Oliver's attempt to present it as such is disingenuous at BEST, and is certainly an outright attempt to misdirect and manipulate those who, with the simplest of math, ought to know better.

The Big Dog's back

Whatever sam. No penetrating that right wing bubble you live in.

deertracker

Your point is MOOT Sam because the people in your example would not qualify for ANY help!

SamAdams

My point stands. It wasn't in response to the income level designated as qualifying for any help of any kind. It was in response to a list of average annual incomes in various and sundry countries around the world which, as a stand alone figure, is meaningless in ANY context.

deertracker

That's WAY off topic Sam!

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2cents

(Country Median Wealth per Adult)
(3. Japan $141,410)
(27. United States $ 38,786)

I am curious how you can try and blame these numbers on anyone other that the person doing the saving or the spending?
I know I kept hearing that the government of Japan had their hands full trying to loosen the purse strings of their people after they went through a long protracted recession that started in the 80’s. Their youth were taught by their parents to be savers and it was a problem because they held on to so much that it hurt their economy.

On another note we Americans believe so much in spending what we do not have and living on credit we tend to save a lot less as a nation. I have friends that have or had well-paying union automotive plant jobs and yet they enjoyed a lifestyle beyond their means by working a great deal of overtime, buying and funding things like boats, fancy cars and other things. Unfortunatly when the overtime ended with a recession they still had a payment book that needed fulfilling.

I think this list of numbers does have a meaning but it is not what some here think!

KnuckleDragger

These numbers have more to do with individual savings and investment than income. The numbers you list are sad, but they are more of an indictment of our poor educational system, and lack of values. Many kids are taught from a very young age to work, spend, work, spend. They did away with most personal finance classes in high school so kids are learning poor money management from their over extended parents. Teach a kid to save and be frugal early on and it will become a habit.

Some of us significantly increased their net worth during the recession. It didn't happen by accident, it was due to frugality and sound financial practices.

Contango

Re: "Many kids are taught from a very young age to work, spend, work, spend."

Not surprised, 70% of the U.S. economy is based on consumer spending.

The govt. and the Fed Resv. encourage it.

As Robt. Kiyosaki points out in "Rich Dad, Poor Dad": The rich tend to buy assets that appreciate, whereas the poor buy those that depreciate.

Again, not surprising that many poor who win huge lottery payouts end up dead broke - state of mind.

The Big Dog's back

As usual, blame the victims.

deertracker

If you have NO money how can one save or invest? DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Make up your mind! Either you want the next generation to do better or you don't! If you significantly increased your net worth during a recession you took full advantage of someone else's misfortune. Nice try GI Joe!

dontknowmuch

Don't forget about NAFTA and who signed that great job killer....I'm waiting,who was it????

AJ Oliver

Baloney Mr. Darwin. NOBODY gets more welfare than the 1% - from the gummint which they OWN lock, stock and hedgefund.

mammamia

I read the article, twice to be sure I was understanding...and I don't understand the math. Nine million (sounds like a lot of money and it IS), paid out over 5 years, paying out to 250 "people" comes to about $600 a month per "person". Okay, they are NOT paying that much to EACH person in a family of 3 or 4; there MUST be more than 250 "people" or even family units in the area we're talking about; WIC and food stamps would all be in the same mix, it's not extra; the value of Metro assistance is usually in addition to food stamps or WIC but I believe there is a system for offsetting or reducing one against the other... So yes nine million dollars is a lot of money but when you break it down to $600 a month it doesn't sound like anyone is getting rich or living on lobster.

Let's not get confused until the information is more clear; maybe we can't get the names on the list but let's not assume they are ALL gaming the system, either. If you know someone who IS gaming the system .. even if they're a friend or shirt-tail relative you should turn them in.

candleburner

I'll admit that I'm getting assistance due to being on social security disability and to be honest I was making a heck of a lot more when I was working and truth be told I wish I was able to go back to work but my health won't allow it. Plus between doctor's appointments, my leg being completely screwed up, facing another round of surgeries and on what seems like a pharmacy worth of meds no one would even consider it. But if I'm reading what you commented on correctly you've figured that each person received approximately $600 a month. For a very short period of time - before my SSD actually kicked in - I did receive financial assistance from welfare as well as food stamps and the maximum that a single person can receive in monetary assistance is $115 a month and in food stamps is less than $200. So you're right, no one is getting rich off assistance. That $115 really didn't pay much in covering my monthly expenses but at least it was something and I was very grateful. As far as people living off lobster, unfortunately I have seen people using food stamps to purchase extravagant food purchases and it really shocks me. With coupons and sales I try to make sure that I get the most of my assistance that I can because I know how hard it would be to get thru without them. If anyone is asking for my name, I'm sorry I won't give that out, that's my personal business and I think this guy is really gutsy asking what he did, but I get his point in asking. There are people out there that are taking advantage of the system and there are times that it would be nice to know who's on it because you know who's really in need of the assistance and who's just looking for someone to give them something for nothing.

SamAdams

You're right, it WOULD be nice to know, especially since we all know that there are those out there who are gaming the system. People like you — people who are actually experiencing the circumstances for which this kind of assistance was created — should be just as concerned and angry. The more money that's wasted, the less there is for LEGITIMATE claims!

I hope that you won't always need to be on some kind of assistance, but not because I resent people like you sound like you are. I hope you won't always need it because you'll be BETTER! Good luck —

The Big Dog's back

Maybe you should check and diagnose each person.

SamAdams

I'm not qualified to do so. But then neither, apparently, are too many social services workers!

The Big Dog's back

And you knowwwwwww they aren't qualified how?

arnmcrmn

We dont have to provide facts dog, you never do......we just know.

deertracker

Candleburner is correct. It is not your business who gets what. It is bad enough for some to HAVE to accept help and don't deserve to be ridiculed or judged because of their misfortune.

starryeyes83

@Candleburner you are absolutely correct about the amount of assistance a single person gets. I know people who have paid into it for years and through an illness or injury they have to have it. I know a person who had their SNAP dropped from $ 77 per month to about $32 per month recently.

I'm quite certain that they aren't living on lobster. And no, I won't divulge their names.

For the scammers and people who play the system. By having baby after baby ... You bet, I would turn them in and have on two past occasions. Those are the people whom I wished would have their names revealed but because of laws. It won't. Not that they would feel any shame or guilt.

P.S.

Good Luck on your leg surgeries.

grandmasgirl

NOW, this is what I am talking about. A person who NEEDS help AND would work if he could. I don't mind helping someone like this out. I mind the ones who have 4 kids and keep on producing more and has had been given jobs but quits.

pptrsha

you are the first post that I have seen that gets it. you are right the formula for assistance does off set programs. if you get metro foodstamps are considered INCOME. family of 2,working mother minimum wage job and 1 child, drawing 280 dollars per month for foodstamps will get 215 dollars from metro.

Contango

coasterfan writes:

"I can partially excuse them from being hypocrites for the simple reason that most of them don't have any idea what socialism really is."

I've asked you SEVERAL times before without a response:

So which of the tenets of the Communist Manifesto do you disagree?

The Big Dog's back

ll-1, ll-5, lV.

Contango
man4451

HOW many BUSINESSES are being SUBSIDIZED, UAW took money from Bush/Obama hand outs, Ford General motors also took money from Bush/Obama hand outs, IF you think for ONE reason YOUR not being SUBSIDIZED you are a fool, If YOU think they can deliver a gallon of gas to SANDUSKY and Toledo then sell it for the SAME price, your a fool, IF you think McDonalds can sell a big mac for the same price as where it is made, you again are mistaken. For the SMALL welfare RECIPIENT that there is NO good paying JOBS, well RAISE minimum wage if you don't want to support them, so people can support themselves, $21.oo per hour. BECAUSE either way you go, your still paying for these people.

KnuckleDragger

Raising the minimum wage wont fix the problem because the price of consumer goods will just rise in order to pay it. You will be making more, but the cost of goods and services will rise so you likely will not have much more buying power.

The Big Dog's back

Same excuse right wingers have for not taxing the rich.

deertracker

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!

arnmcrmn

obviously you two cannot do simple math. Wow, surpriseeeeeeeeee

abigbear

just wait till the right wingers are out of money then we'll see who gets what

The Big Dog's back

We're already supporting the right wingers in the trailer parks.

KnuckleDragger

Funny, I don't know any right wingers who live in trailer parks. I do know plenty of blue haired dems down in Florida who do :)

The Big Dog's back

Ahhhh, those are teabaggers.

deertracker

Teabaggers that have truly lost their way! Sad!

KURTje

A.J. Oliver many don't like facts. Thank you for stating them. ewg.org also

Unassumer

It would be against privacy laws to tell you who is on welfare and our taxes are not paying for it completely I'm sure. Also, people that fraud the system are few and do get caught. They have safeguards and checks in place. Most that get a check have children. Others qualify for food stamps only and I believe they are expected to work somewhere 20 hours a week as assigned by odjfs. People on unemployment which is not welfare have to show that they've applied two places per week and have to include name and address and position applied for. There are no free rides anymore so not to worry.

MAbornandraised

Currently most of the counties in this area have suspended work hours for food stamps. The workers must still put in a referral but because of the amount of people on food stamps, they've suspended work activity for that program. The only program that participates in work activity currently is TANF.

grandmasgirl

I don't think anyone cares if the people on welfare are deserving and really in need. It's the ones who make it a lifestyle and expect someone else to pay their way in life. The same goes with SSD. I know people who can go out and party all night, but God forbid we ask them to work. A lot use some form of mental illness as an excuse. Sorry people, but there are medications to help you get better if you want to. I am willing to help anyone who is willing to help themselves.

The Big Dog's back

If it's so easy and so good, why aren't you on it?

grandmasgirl

Do you have ANY friends? I imagine not since you are so perfect. I can take your snide remarks, but I have a right to my opinion AND I DON'T HAVE TO WORK THE SYSTEM to survive. I have worked and saved all my life. Unlike some people.

The Big Dog's back

Name these people then.

KnuckleDragger

You are one of them BD.

happyfeet64

For your information grandmasgirl, some of the medications are toxic to some people and as a result can't be taken. Also, some forms of mental illness cannot be cured with a magic pill and insinuating that mentally ill individuals want to live with whatever form of mental illness they have been diagnosed with and don't want to get better is definitely one of the most uninformed statements I've ever heard. You have obviously never been diagnosed with a mental health disorder or had a family member diagnosed. I'm bipolar type 1 and can not(not will not)take ANY of the medications that can treat my condition. I am Hep C positive,which means my liver is slowly but surely advancing to cirrhosis, which in turn has caused me to develop diabetes, which initially was Type 2 but is advancing to Type 1. The worse my liver gets, the worse my pancreas gets. Not to mention some of the horrible side effects a majority of the medications cause.You need to contact an organization called NAMI and check your facts before you make comments such as what you posted. I took offense at what you said because I actually qualify for disability because I'm so sick. I don't know from day to day if I'm going to start the beginning stages of liver failure because of the meds the doctors shoveled down my throat, for the diabetes and for the bipolar.

grandmasgirl

Sorry, happyfeet, but you are wrong. I did have some issues. Took me over a year to get myself under control. But I did it. And I know for a fact that mental illness is one of the easiest aliments to fake.

deertracker

Were you faking it? How can one be sure of what is in another's mind?

The Big Dog's back

Good question deertracker. Typical teabagger she is, I'm sick you're not.

happyfeet64

Issues,is how you referenced your problems? Sweetie, what myself and millions of other Americans who are mentally ill go through on a daily basis can not be described in such ambiguous terms. I sincerely doubt your diagnosis was one of a major mental disorder if you were able to control it within a year,my disease has been a lifelong struggle. But, you skirted the primary reason I posted, which was not everyone has a will as strong as yours(sic) and can deal with their illness as well as you and as quickly as you. As for faking it,well let me respond to that. I've personally experienced various psychiatrists,psychologists and therapists who have tried to convince me to file for disability and I've refused. Now, I've also witnessed youngsters(17-24 or so) that have been diagnosed with a major disorder who were told by these same medical personnel that they should file also because once they were diagnosed,they qualified.Don't blame the ones who are being mislead by others and assume they are scamming the system,when in fact they are the ones who are being told they are disabled and will never be able to work.My observations generally have agreed with whatever diagnosis was made but I couldn't agree with the assumption some of these kids couldn't work,if vocational rehab. as well other options, were incorporated into their treatment plan. But, again, the majority have no idea what their disease is,how they can deal with it on a daily basis and what to do to make their lives better. And that is not their fault.

Informed

Grandmasgirl, you need some education regarding mental illness. Some mentally ill people can never successfully be treated for a long period of time. They have been on numerous medications without much success. Don't believe me--go hang out at the local community mental health agencies. You'll see many of them. Medications are not a cure, and they don't help everyone. Oh, but because you experienced something means that everyone else should, too.

underthebridge

I wonder if this accounts for the residents of Erie County who are elderly and receiving assistance for their care in nursing homes.

deertracker

The nursing home receives that money AND ANY AND ALL THE RESIDENT HAS OR HAD!

Contango

Re: "The nursing home receives...ANY AND ALL THE RESIDENT HAS OR HAD!"

WRONG.

BTW: OH has filial laws.

http://www.lawserver.com/law/sta...

deertracker

If it is written it must be true! Try it if you don't believe me!

Rich Close

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The Big Dog's back

pooh?

Clydegal

Wow! Only 250 that's Great!! When you say Welfare what exactly do you mean? Foodstamps, Medicaid, Cash Assistance etc.? Wic is not welfare not even in the same category, Hud or Metropolitian is not welfare either it's a different program. When asking a question be more detail oriented. Ok Sandusky Register what exactly did you ask and come up with a 250 figure? Is that 250 households? I find that number a very low number. Please update with the figures for each category if possible.

KnuckleDragger

It is amazing the number of people who took the SR answer of 250 people on welfare and ran with it. What they didn't give you were the details, so here they are. The 250 number that the county gave out was the number of people receiving the full cash assistance amount. That number didn't include partial cash assistance, nor did it include food stamps. Without including those numbers, Erie county got by on a technicality. If you include those numbers, just under 20% of county residents receive some form of welfare. About 45% of the City residents receive some form of welfare. 80% of the kids in Sandusky Public Schools receive free or reduced lunches. These percentages come from ECJFS statistics. One thing is for sure, it was like pulling teeth to get the information out of them.

deertracker

I remember when my mother in law became eligible for food stamps! A whopping 16 dollars per month! May she R.I.P.! What other districts give out free and reduced lunches? Any stats? How many residents in Huron County get help? People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!

R U Kidding me

well from the sounds of if a lot of them that are on it have computers and write on here. Anyway I have read all about republicans and dems. and If you say you are either one I say you a id@@t. why don't you stand up and say I will not persue either one and become American.we need to take this country back

R U Kidding me

well from the sounds of it alot of them that are on it have computers and write on here. Anyway I have read all about republicans and dems. and If you say you are either one I say you are a id@@t. why don't you stand up and say I will not persue either one and become American.we need to take this country back

The Big Dog's back

Take our country back from who? Please elaborate.

Contango

Re: "Take our country back from who?"

It's: WHOM. DERPY the illiterate. :)

The Big Dog's back

If you are unsure which to use, use who. Firstly, it is much more common than whom. Secondly, the use of whom is considered by many to be on its last legs in English.

Contango

Re: "last legs in English."

And as an illiterate it's at least 'something' you know about DERPY. :)

deertracker

Okay pooh, from WHOM?

Contango

Re: "Okay pooh, from WHOM?"

Isn't that cute, you're playing DERPY's biach. :)

deertracker

LOL!

YoMamma

Both parties are corrupt and need to go. Being a public "official" should not be a lifetime job!

he said she said

John on Wayne Street: What do you make in a week? An hour? I don't think that is anyone's business. Those reasons are protected by HIPAA. I also think you need to find another hobby other than being in someone else's business.

Before the attack is launched: I understand that taxes pay for those benefits that people get but I also understand how hard it is to make minimum wage at two jobs and pay out more than you bring in with rent, utilities (not including luxuries like cable or a cell phone), meds and food....something has to go without being paid to get meds or food. If you have never lived like this, then you have no room to speak because you don't know how it is.

The Big Dog's back

Repubs not only like to deprive poor people, they like to punish them too.

Contango

Re: "Repubs not only like to deprive poor people, they like to punish them too."

Democrats want to make EVERYONE a slave to the STATE and make EVERYONE equally poor.

The Big Dog's back

Repubs want to make EVERYONE a slave to the CORPORATIONS and make the 99% poor.

Contango

Re: "Repubs want to make EVERYONE a slave to the CORPORATIONS and make the 99% poor."

And no Democrats manage corps DERPY?

The Big Dog's back

And no Repubs manage Gov DERPY?

Contango

And no Dems manage Gov DERPITY DERP DERP? :)

pptrsha

I can not believe that one IGNORANT FOOL asked a question that should have been thrown in the garbage and all of these intelligent people on here have run with it. IGNORE the stupid s@@t and hope they go away. shame on "JOHN" who probably doesn't exist the SR just did it to get a war going

deertracker

Oh John exists! Believe that!!!!!!!!!!

deertracker

The SR could've printed anything and some of you judges on here would still have something to whine about. People do not get rich from a welfare check. Never have! Why is it such a terrible thing to actually be able to pay your bills after working 40 hours or more? The people that may or may not receive some type of assistance are the same people that may have handed you your last Big Mac or bagged your groceries, or handled your last banking transaction, rang up your goodies from wherever, checked you in at your last doctor' appointment, served you that great meal and so on and so on and so on. Do you really think any of those people are banking big bucks? What's so awful about them getting a little help?

pptrsha

you are right. working a job at 7.00 per hr which is more money than a lot of places in Sandusky you take home 200.00. so at the end of the month you have 800.00 your rent is 550.00 you have 250.00 left to pay gas elec food medical no luxuries maybe no food anyone with kids can tell you that 250 at the grocery store for a family for a whole month is ridiculous i don't begrudge anyone help

Contango

Re: "People do not get rich from a welfare check. Never have!"

So why are so many receiving health and welfare benefits than at ANY time in the nation's history and the wage scale has been declining?

How is Pres. Obama not a liar and a failure? Yet you slavishly follow him.

The Big Dog's back

Man-crush time for pooh.

Contango

Keep presenting your backside to him DERPY. :)

deertracker

They are receiving it because the fat cats and crooks on Wall St. robbed the American economy. They got a BIG welfare check too! Did you mean "slavishly"?

Contango

Re: They got a BIG welfare check too!"

Yea, compliments of the Pelosi and Reid Congress - TARP.

Present that backside DERPY. :)

Amerian Dad

This is not an Obama thing or a democrat or republican issue. This is a lazy issue. Why would anyone expect anyone to work if they get it for free.

I don't see an issue of knowing this information. No one has an issue when the register published all the salaries of law enforcement in Erie County. Everyone said it was their right to know what they make because their tax dollars pay for their wages. Well my tax dollars pay for the lazy ones on welfare, so I too would love to know.

Informed

American Dad, this is not a lazy issue. You are part of the problem by thinking that way. I know people who have two jobs and work seven days a week. The problem is jobs don't pay what they used to, and on top of that now people have to pay $100 a week for their health benefits. You try paying rent, groceries, utilities, doctor and dentist appointments, medication, etc. on that.

The Big Dog's back

Exactly.

Ok WTF

The question should be addressed more towards those receiving SSDI. Those receiving cash "welfare" benefits are temporary, but a disability check is your golden "out". If you need it, I don't begrudge you anything, I honestly don't - but seeing an ex-neighbor of mine who's back is too messed up to work, standing in his facebook picture with his 10 point buck that he was able to get his arse out of bed to hunt is just the tip of the iceberg. Many that I've heard of can paint or do yard work for cash money without a problem or are able to cast a fishing line for several hours each day while miraculously having been deemed unable to work and approved for SSDI. Meanwhile, my other neighbor died twice and was brought back from his heart stopping, had approval from his doctor and still had to fight for years for help. There's also an old friend that died of cancer, he fought and was approved for disability 3 weeks before his cancer killed him. Needless to say I blow the whistle on fraud when I can after years of watching the system in action. What to do? It's not fair for those people that truly do need it to have to jump through more hoops just because the con's have the system mastered.

donutshopguy

We as a people must turn in those who misuse the system (play the system). If we do nothing the system will end due to the abuse. It's been played out again and again in history.

deertracker

Let's all be welfare vigilantes! Yeah!

donutshopguy

Glad you agree. I turned in a young man who is on permanent disability because of a bad back, but plays golf all summer and snowboards in the winter. Bad back my a$$.

Darkhorse

The facts have to be wrong. 250 for all of Erie County seems like there should be more then that. Someone should re-check the figures.

KURTje

Re. Ok wtf . Couldn't agree more. Think it has to do with picking the right person(s) to help you "get on the draw." Saw some do that & there was nothing wrong with them.

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