Feb 22, 2013

How much was spent out-of-pocket on the new Perkins stadium?

Can you tell me a true number of taxpayer money that went into Perkins new football field? I know a lot was donations. Have heard rumors but nothing firm. Thank you Mike from Perkins.

I sent this question over to Perkins Schools for an answer. Superintendent Jim Gunner returned replied with the following.

He writes: "The bids on the stadium project came in a $3.4 million.  The athletic boosters donated $1.7 million in money or in-kind contributions towards the project.  The Board paid the other $1.7 million for the completion of the project."

 

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Comments

Speakezy

But we are now broke!

Gyro Cart Guy

I'm sure the employees who get laid off will love going to the new stadium to be reminded of where their salaries went.

Perkins2060

Well there it is folks! And this guy thinks we are going to pass a levy??? Vote NO on BOTH levies!

Perkins2060

And when he says "The Board paid the other $1.7 million for the completion of the project." That means WE, the Taxpayers paid for the completion of the project! Unless the board members pulled these funds out of their own bank accounts!

VoteYES

The Perkins Schools Board only paid to the stadium what it would have cost to renovate the old stadium! Everything else was donations! You would have paid either way!

VOTENO

The Perkins School Board should have used that money for education instead of building a new stadium!

I'm Done

Let's say that you are correct, why did they hide the fact that they did? Because they knew how the community felt about the project.

underthebridge

There was an offer from Sandusky Schools to use their stadium for a few years. The BOE and the Administration declined.

VoteYES

Actually because SMCC uses it there was not enough time for all three schools!

gyrocartfluffikins

With all the financial and enrollment advantages Perkins enjoys (1.7 million from their boosters?) You'd certainly think Perkins could find a conference with schools more their size to compete against. You'd think they'd welcome the challenge.

Certainly the historically small school SBC doesn't pose that challenge any longer, does it?

There can't be much glory in playing schools with 1/4 or 1/2 your enrollment that don't have millions of dollars to spend on bleachers.

Gyro Cart Guy

GCF - Love the name, but I think you are off point. This is about my property taxes, and the teachers we are going to lose. I don't care if Coach Jason plays against Oak Harbor or Lakeside, this was a collossal waste of taxpayer dollars. What I think we both agree on is that roasted lamb meat is NOT a waste of money. Care to continue this debate once the Cart opens?

Resident51

Don't forget Gunner and the school board transferred operating money to permanent improvement so they can build a school without your vote. The May levy is to replace that money. Vote NO!

wiredmama222

This is a general questions: Question one: does the board have to ask permission to do that? Just wondering as it seems rather like a robbing peter to pay paul kind of tactic without the benefit of having your ducks in a row.

Why don't they just "vote" to transfer it back if that is the case. It seems if they can do it one way, why not go the opposite direction? Would save a lot of grief, right?

Second question: Can you do a recall petition on a school board and/or the superintendent if it is found that that person is leading the school in a direction the majority of the parents do not want to go? If you can, why don't they just do it?

I would really like to know from someone who actually has worked with or has knowledge of the Perkins Board of Education....no offense meant to anyone.

Perkins2060

How much money was transferred? Where did the $1.7 Million come from??? This is getting worse with every article the Register publishes!

VoteYES

The Perkins Schools Board only paid to the stadium what it would have cost to renovate the old stadium! Everything else was donations!

Gyro Cart Guy

Why didn't they just use the $1.7 million in donations to renovate the stadium? Then they would have $1.7 million left to operate and not raise my taxes.

VoteYES

Your taxes are not even high compared to so many! Stop expecting more and paying less! Can't have you cake and eat it too!!

goodtime1212

LETS see the quot they got to repair the old stadium. I be there NEVER was one. Again, I would ask ware are the quots to repaire the school?? Bet there are none. We should just take there word it will cost to much. NO TRUST.

VoteYES

Go to a board meeting and start asking, but most of you won't!

goodtime1212

THEN WHY DIDNT THEY JUST RENOVATE THE OLD ONE. Bet it would not have taken a million of tax payers money. OH YEA, then we could not keep up with Huron or Sandusky.

Mrjsiah1

i also wondered how much of getting a new stadium was because of huron and sandusky.

VOTENO

The Perkins School Board should have used that money for education instead of a new stadium!

Resident51

They did not need $1.7 million to renovate. They had some insurance co. claim the bleachers were unsafe...I'll give you that, but replacement bleachers don't cost $1.7 million. Everything else was a perk. Stop drinking the kool-aid!

Common Sense

It was not only th ebleachers that were totally unsafe. The track was not safe and needed to be rebuilt so that athletes would not be injured. In fact, the track team spent at least a year hosting events (if not more) at other area tracks due to the structure. The construction of the new track would have meant moving bleachers, fences, and intrusion of the sidelines of the football field (already small). I wonder how many times you were in the old stadium prior to its renewal. These"perks" may soon bring in revenue by way of OSHAA. What will you have to complain about then?

Resident51

I still have a lot to complain about. I live in your district, I've been at the stadium close to 1.7 million times! Perkins bragged they were going to get private donations and budgeted a $2 million (total) stadium, yet went over budget and had to pay out of the general fund. How long will it take the OSHAA to pay that difference? Not in my lifetime, and now cuts are being made to staff. Is the stadium more important than people? Other complaints...lies about mold, asbestos, lead paint, raw sewage....another complaint....moving inside millage to PI to build a tajmahal school next to your tajmahal stadium after the voters said NO....shall I go on?

dire wolf

re: common sense, maybe you could go tell all the teachers getting laid off, and their children that won't get fed, or have school sports to attend, that as soon as the checks from the OSHAA track "perks" clear a few years down the road, that it is possible that without any furthur misuse of funds, that there is a small chance that they can get their jobs back, and their children might get a fair education, and as long as those newly unemployed people keep paying their now higher taxes, they can continue on the very path that your BOE has led you on. Basically, just tell the families of the unemployed because of this to just quit complaining, and get out your checkbook. Did i get your point correctly?

Edwin Ison

OSHAA takes most of the ticket revenue. These events are not a windfall.

donutshopguy

Vote Yes....not true. I was on the inside.

Resident51

$1.7 million came from the general fund. Inside millage from operating money, used mostly for salaries/benefits, was moved to PI. Permanent Improvement money is used for technology, building maintenance, and in this case, a new school. Now they don't have enough money to operate...thus layoffs, threats of cuts, etc. The exact amount is a good question to ask.

Erie Countian

Oh what a tangled web you have woven, Mr. Gunner and Perkins BOE! You guys are experts at taxpayer money manipulation, and now you have gotten yourselves in deep. But hey, I have an idea...why don't we ask for more business donations to build a new high school, just like was done for the stadium that we will not be using because there will be no athletics at Perkins when the levy fails?! (But instead of the new building being called Perkins High School, it'll say "Kasper High School" in big, overblown red neon letters on the front of our school!)

wiredmama222

seems to me that if they are working with taxpayer money, they have a fiduciary responsibility to the public to do what is right do they not? Which means they need to put any funds back where they belong THEMSELVES.

And isn't it rather silly for the superintendent to threaten to end some sports like football or track after building a new stadium just last year? No one is that gullible, are they?

drdhead

$1.7 million from the school board for a stadium ?? No money to run the school ???? The people in Perkins Twp need to look for a new school board and Superintendent. They got to go, all they seem to want is a "Gunner memorial School system " in stone in front of a new school.

yogiberra

They need to increase property taxes to keep up with higher costs. Perkins Township pays close to nothing in property tax..Example a home in Worthington Oh valued at approx. 160,000 pays 4000 a year in prop. tax...the same home in Perkins 2100. If you want maintain the "prestige" of Perkins Township and it's school systems your gonna have to start forking it over.

wiredmama222

Forgive me this but...I want what you drink and smoke! These people around here don't have that kind of capital.

That is Columbus, this is Perkins....the housing here isn't even close to what there is in Worthington in most places and even if it were, that is a huge tax difference anyway....COLUMBUS ring a bell here?

Most can barely afford what they pay now and you want to see the taxes go up in Perkins to almost one and one half times what it is now???

Housing in Perkins will not be at the level of Worthington for quite some time to come, so neither will their taxes. To which I am sure there are many who breath a collective sigh of relief.

Prestige is one thing....trying to raise taxes to that level is pure fantasy. Again, forgive me for the beginning crack....but..

VoteYES

Well said! Perkins Local Schools pays one of the lowest school taxes around! Stop complaing!

VOTENO

Well Said! The Taxpayers do not want tax increases! Vote No!

goodtime1212

VOTEYES, For some of us,its not ALL about the tax, (I said not all about, part is). Its the simple fact that there is NO trust for the Board or Mr Gunner to handel our money anymore. How can they build a footballl field, knowing the schoold needs so much work? Move money around after the voters told them no to a new school? Spent over $100,000.00 to move the BOE into the school a few years ago and now say its not safe? Now say we might not have sports in our new football field, have to lay off teachers. there is just no trust anymore its that simple.

pavedparadise

Worthington Median income:::$75,600

Perkins Twsp Median income:::$57,000

yogiberra

Part of the problem in Erie County(and everywhere else) is property values went down...meaning less taxes...which equals less money for the schools and the city. Now was it necessary to pay 3.4 mill on a new stadium...absolutely not..when they need a new school.

VoteYES

The Perkins Schools Board only paid to the stadium what it would have cost to renovate the old stadium! Everything else was donations!

VOTENO

The Perkins School Board should have used those funds for education!

mikel

where is the outrage on the way the fed gov't is operated??? you are so upset with how perkins spent their money but don't care how the feds do it???

the fed gov't operates on the same smoke and mirror mantra only on a grander scheme!

Brick Hamland

Perkins2060 you really like to talk about taxes, I assume you must make a lot since it is a big issue. Personally I would rather pay taxes towards a new school in the township that I live in than support the millions on welfare and other federal government programs that have no benefit to any of the local tax payers. For example research on reproduction rates of squirrels in the Arizona desert, which is funded by federal dollars, aka our tax dollars.

pavedparadise

Interesting reading below on "inside millage".. Question is----can Perkins BOE right this wrong by moving the money back to where it belongs?

Anybody know??????

news.cincinnati.com/article/20100207/NEWS0102/2070312

My2Girls

"The athletic boosters donated $1.7 million in money or in-kind contributions towards the project." I see no mention of the band parent organization. I heard that they contributed more than the athletic boosters by taking out some loans to help pay for the stadium. Anyone know if this is true?

My thoughts

Complete Nonsense. The band boosters committed $25K over 5 years. They had a car raffle that raised $3k and some of their supporters including the bamd director pledged maybe a total of $50K. The athletic boosters put $200K of their savings in the deal, borrowed $500K and raised the rest including soliciting the in-kind donations.

bobshumway92

Where is lowbrass band geek when you need her?

Natti Light

Woe is me! Woe is me! I'm living hand to mouth and can't afford to pay the taxes needed to maintain and run a quality school system! Those kids just have to learn to do without and get back to the 3 R's!! (as I type from wireless high speed internet that I pay $40-$50 a month for...)

rickross2

Moderators have removed this comment because you can't mention obama without getting censored by the man. Hope and change.

fredinperkins

At the 9/14/11 BOE meeting the question was posed as to what the new stadium would cost. Mr. Gunner replied 2 million dollars with 1.7 million dollars being received from donations. The BOE (TAXPAYER) would pay the balance. 1.4 million dollars over budget? I do appreciate those in the community that supported it. I was under the impression that it would be paid for with 100 percent donations.

goodtime1212

They knew at that time the voters already said no to a new school tax. So they moved the money around.

Resident51

I find it funny you supporters haven't mentioned your mold, asbestos, lead paint and raw sewage since the health department visit. Why is that?

goodtime1212

in the other storys it has been said that around 60 percent of the reports trouble is about only around 10 percent of the school. Also it has been said ware are the quots to fix the trouble found in the reports?. It has also been said that if your home had these same issue, most of us would have taken care of them as part of home maint. not waiting years till it got to this point and then say we need to tare this place down and let someone else pay for a new one.

VoteYES

Look at the reports! The health department was a one day shot, check the others! Ip the repairs are costly and not safe!

goodtime1212

how do you know they are costly? Has there been anyone that has given any quotes on repairs?

nosey rosey

Isn't is funny how athletics aka game playing is more important to the school system than actual education. It is every taxpayers duty to vote down every school levy put before them and force the state to fix the unconstitutional way that schools are funded. Force the schools to live within their means like the rest of us.

bobshumway92

Please, for the kids sake, vote no.

TwoBits

The efforts between the athletic and band boosters we community driven, both organizations worked together to find sponsors and donors to commit to the stadium project. Through events, fundraisers and direct donations each group contributed. The Athletic boosters had raised more directly and their direct monetary donation is second largest only to FRMC sponsorship dollars. Not important to who donated more, but how the community pulled together to create a facility for ALL Perkins students and residents to use.

bobshumway92

And Sandusky, Margaretta, etc.... and the taxpayers picked up $1.7 million of it. Got my 2 no votes!

goodtime1212

Who took the vary large loan out at Citizens bank? What was it used for? I know it was the school just not sure what part.

Cowboy

The true facts are...Perkins had enough donations to fix the problems with the old stadium without having to rob Peter to pay Paul. It wouldn't have cost the tax payers a dime and no one would have to worry about their job being cut. Over zealous board members decided moving money to build a grandiose stadium was more important than keeping qualified teachers in their jobs. Now Perkins will vote down a levy again all because of the smoke and mirror game that the board and Gunner played! Shame on you Gunner and klan!

VoteYES

Teachers aren't getting cut because of stadium! That money would have been used to repair the stadium.

goodtime1212

Again whare are the quotes to say what it would have coast to repaire the stadium, I find hard to beleve to just repair or even replace with close to the samething would be 1.7 million.

reader

Many businesses and governmental units have been forced to change to become more efficient. There's no justification for spending 1.7 million dollars for a new stadium when there is a need for money for educational purposes. And when there is also a stadium in close proximity available to be shared. The new stadium was a bad decision.

Another bad decision was the board's decision to move millage to build a new school. If the need is real, the board should have kept campaigning to make the case for the new building to the citizens of the township. Moving the millage after the voters had failed to support a levy for building was a slap in the face to the citizenry. Seems like a "we know better than you" attitude.

The board and Mr. Gunner have poisoned the well, and now want the people to drink the coolaid. Good luck with that.

Darkhorse

Where is the accountability when the school can pay 1.7 million towards a stadium and not fix up the school and they are now asking for more money? They must think the average taxpayer is stupid.

VoteYES

People that money would have been used to repair the BOE didn't pay anymore then they had too!!

bobshumway92

VoteYes is a band dork.

VoteYES

How mature are we?? Obviously not!

bobshumway92

VoteNo is my hero.

TwoBits

While monies were spent to build the new stadium, the BOE was going to have to spend plenty to get the old stadium up to a suitable facility do the students and spectators would be safe. The stadium had deteriorated, after 50 years of use and exposure. Not unlike the current buildings.
For those who are calling for a new School Board, step up, the past three election cycles for open seats, there was no opposition, easy to be verbal now when no one wanted to step up over the past six years. Even the openings that were created when an opening presented its self was met with a few applicants. I respect you right to be heard and you passions, take it to the next level and be seen and heard at the BOE meetings, and listen to both sides, yes there are questions to be answered, but ask questions and make your own informed decision, voting no or yes should not be based on one thing you read in the paper, or online, or in a post, , but all of these as well as listening to people speak in person too, but that may take too much of ones time.

Cowboy

The school had enough outside donors to repair the stadium! This is something that most people don't know! The BOE kicked that can out of the way because they wanted this grandiose stadium! Only a select few really know the facts but we are speaking out now that the BOE is coming after taxpayer dollars!

TwoBits

Dark horse, I agree the avg taxpayer is misguided, we will bicker over spending an additional $100, $200 or more on taxes, but then will sit and be silent about energy costs. We all are paying over a $1000 more a year at the gas pump, than we were in recent years. If the group that posts here took that kind of passion and funneled it toward businesses and politicians higher up the food chain, well that would be something, or even accepting what state governements are doing that is impacting the schools and us. But again, that may take too much work, easier to sit around and bash the easy targets. Darkhorse, hope to see you and others at the next BOE meeting, start there then become vocal in front if others, just then the average taxpayer may find some courage if conviction and enmass work together to be heard, have impact and be the catalyst for change.

bobshumway92

For the love of God, vote no.

Speakezy

Voteyes is a buffoon. That money WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SPENT. The BOE already stated the cost to repair would have been covered by private donations therefore the 1.7 million COULD have been left alone. But no, that's not how govt thinks, if we have it we MUST SPEND IT!

Cowboy

The school had enough outside donors to repair the stadium! This is something that most people don't know! The BOE kicked that can out of the way because they wanted this grandiose stadium! Only a select few really know the facts but we are speaking out now that the BOE is coming after taxpayer dollars!

Trump

Not sure how true that statement is. I never saw anything for donations to repair the old stadium. Everything was always about the new stadium. I highly doubt they would have received $1.7m in donations to just fix what they had.

Cowboy

It wasn't going to cost 1.7m to only fix the deteriorating conditions of the stadium. That amount was padded with other not needed upgrades. To fix the stands and bring up to ADA standards it would have cost much less.

bobshumway92

For the sake of the children, vote no.

VoteYES

For the sake of the children, vote no? Obviously you don't have children or you don't care about them!

bobshumway92

Don't burden the children with all this worthless debt! Vote no!

bobshumway92

VoteYes is a teacher. Don't listen to her.

pavedparadise

How about Huron Kalahari Campus or Perkins Firelands Hospital Campus or Sandusky Cedar Point Campus?

Rather than new astro-turf football fields, scoreboards and pro stadium style lights, these community minded organizations could have donated for educational facilities---remember it's about the kids.

Ithink

I agree. Twenty years from now, as a Perkins grad is flipping burgers, they can tell the drive-thru customer in the BMW "I bet our football stadium was better than yours!"

hometownboy

This whole stadium debacle is yet another example of this school district having mixed priorities.

No fooling it's still a no from me. Plus a big, "No Confidence" vote if I could give one to the not-so super and the Bored (I know I wrote BORED) of Education.

bobshumway92

Voting no on the renewal will be a great way to show your no confidence vote.

donutshopguy

If private money funded half the stadium facility why can't the same process be used for other non-academic components of the new academy?

Natatorium
Gymnasium
Auditorium
Music and Arts

What is good for the goose is good for the gander?

Tootsiemomma

i'm tired of p.h.s. pleading proverty. they did not need a new stadium. they could have used the money to fix up what they had. live within their means, like everyone else has to do. they spend money they don't even have and then plead poverty and threaten teachers with loss of their jobs.

hometownboy

I need a little help here...I noticed that someone asked a while back regarding Gunner's quote that the Athletic Boosters kicked in for $1.7 million...didn't the band boosters kick in on that as well (I can't always keep up with these posts as my work and family happily keep me busy)? Either way, that's interesting for any boosters to have that kind of cash in an account, let alone have patrons like that. Is there a list that I can find to see who all donated to that?

Why is it this district has NO PROBLEM shelling out the money for sports yet haggles when it comes to spending on essential things? It has always had this problem for at least the 35 years that I remember.