Read more about the meeting in Thursday's Sandusky Register.
As always, Jason, great pictures, including the ability to see the slide presentation that was given. Nice work!!!!! Was there a question and answer period from the small crowd gathered?
Nobody cares. It's not gonna pass. The majority of the taxpayers think you all are nuts for even thinking either levy would
pass. What a joke!
Something stinks here....
If you look at what the cost is for a $150,000 house it is $261.45 a year. Is that on TOP of what you normally pay in taxes already? If so....WOW.
That is a chunck of change for someone already paying the high cost of taxes in Perkins Twp. Then add on the cost of the new fire levy and a possible levy for Police? WHEW. I would vote for a police levy, but you would have to be NUTS to add an almost $300 per year addition to your taxes over 10 years to your taxes for a new school. That is a LOT of money to pay. We were looking at houses out there. Your taxes are not cheap.
Why not try and raise some money in other ways BEFORE asking for the taxpayers to pony up this kind of cash? This is excessive if you ask me....which no one did....but wow, that is a lot of cash to pay out.
Granted its $130.73 a half, but that is still a great deal of money. What about those who have houses with a higher tax ratio than $150,000 on their property. What about those who's property is worth $190 to $200,000 out there? I would hate to see what THEIR cost is going to be.
This isn't being thought through very well. I would have thought the board would have brought up ways of raising money BEFORE asking the taxpayers to assume the lions share of the cost. This just doesn't make much sense. Not at all. And they want new "digs" too? Why? Give them room in the old school building to save money. Don't take it all down. Be conservative on some of this. Why do they need anything better than that?
Nope, this isn't going to fly no matter how much honey they drop on it. No way. Not in this economy.
If renovation is started, then the entire building must be brought up to current code: all asbestos tiles removed and replaced, all outside pipes holding electrical wiring would have to be moved in side, any other items (plumbing, etc.) would have to be brought up to code. That is why the cost to build new would more sense than trying to renovate and having to fix all the other code issues.
that may be, but can all the people in Perkins afford to pay this much per year on their taxes? Really? Just wondering. I have no special interest in Perkins as I do not live there, but I was just wondering. It seems excessive at 10 years. Can they stretch this to 20 years to make it less expensive?
Dont forget the open enrollment kids. We have to pay for the new school for them, oh and all the renters.
Renters don't mean a thing....the people who own the house still pay the property tax. Didn't you know that? Renters may not pay it, but the property owners still must pay it. I don't know where people think that because a property is rented out no tax is paid, because that simply isn't true. The OWNER of that property STILL must pay it. They own it.
Open enrollment kids, their taxes come to you.
WIREDMAMA222, Guess I said that wrong that wrong, I knew the renters didnt pay tax.
Thought there would be no open enrollment?
Do you realize how much money oe kids bring to the district? Apparently not!
I didn't attend the meeting but there's no way I'm going to vote yes. They expect me to pay an extra $650/yr? Think again! We have already been forced to give up our Plum Brook CC membership in favor of Briarcrest. My family has taken steps to make the best of it, I suggest Perkins schools do the same.
My taxes are already $3,300. $275 a month! We can't sell because of the high taxes.
I want to know if the teachers get a kick back if the levy passes. Teacher's were knocking at my door and calling me all the time trying to convince me to vote for the Levy. VERY pushy, was a huge turn off.
Their kickback comes when the next collective bargaining agreement is made.
I don't get the "can't sell because of the high taxes". Perkins has the second lowest tax burden for schools in the Erie County, and the tax burden is well below the state average for school tax burden. Additionally, a majority of the property tax in Perkins is paid by commercial property owners, not residential as in most other communities. In ten years (timing of the emergency levy) the TIFF arrangement for Kalahari and Lake Crest expire at which time the district will receive the property tax dollars now being use to pay for infrastructure along 250. But, the district has to get thru the next ten years without gutting the school system and its programs.
Teachers do not get a kickback, probably the dumbest question I've heard!
Is it possible to have a vote of no confidence and remove Gunner?
I had a Perkins teacher call and ask me to support the levy. I told her I would if she gave me an extra $400 to help me pay my new taxes. That got her off the phone in a hurry! Vote no 'til Gunner goes.
The SR allows an article by Alex Kinsel that is way, way over the 300 word maximum. He lives in California which is really a beauty of a state to be giving financial advice to anyone. I just wonder where his parents happen to be employed. Could it be they are teachers? The mother making over 67,000 and the Father 82,000. Come on SR, why do the readers and bloggers almost continually have to do the Homework.
Build the new school with the walking path so the kids can walk. The roads will soon deteriorate. Let the kids arm themselves because there won't be any police to protect them on the paths but they'll have a nice new school.
SR allowed Kinsel to go over 300 I can only imagine, because they recently lost their columnist and were looking for something to fill the page. It doesn't matter that Kinsel is the son of teachers. The writing had very little to do with education or money. It was about civic responsibility.
But man, his parents sure are loaded. Loaded teachers. No wonder he's always posting pictures of boat rides online.
Just kidding. I only know him in passing (played tennis for opposite schools) but he's articulate and funny. Guessing that's why the Register went with it.
Maybe if you spent a little less time doing homework about people writing to the editor parents (which was 1 yahoo seach. 2 mins, tops) you'd have time to do the actual homework abt what's happening in your community.
This just shows local government is not the only one drinking the "raise taxes" flavored kool aid. Local school boards and government councils always find ways to squander tax dollars---always easier to spend someone elses money.
It saddens me to see so many Perkins residence agains the Perkin's School Levy. I can't believe that families are not supporting their own kids. A poor school district only leads to a poor community-including lower property values. How can people of this community attend the school events and pretend to be such proud PIRATE FANS, and then turn around and ignore the needs of the school. I attend many school events in numerous SBC schools, and I am ashamed to say that Perkins has some of the poorest facilities in the area. Perkins has many outstanding academic programs and a beautiful new stadium. Now let's bring our schools up to standards too. In the end you will all benefit from a yes vote!
You've got a lot of nerve, I'll give you that. How dare you ask the average homeowner to contribute an extra $22/month towards Gunner's folly. With that money I could feed a family of 4 dinner at Wendy's or fill up 6 gallon gas can. Maybe you have that kind of money to throw around, but kindly remove your hand from my wallet!
22 a month, it's called managing your money!
Does anyone remember the amount of tax collections the school appropriated from its funds for the new football stadium?
Suerat - I don't think people don't support their schools just because they are against a facilities levy. I do think they are saying the district needs to get its house in order before they ask for more money.
Hey Suerat, maybe Perkins should have thought about the schools before building that "beautiful new stadium". Priorities. Something Perkins obviously doesn't have.
I believe education is the easiest and least expensive way to improve your lot in life. I believe in personal responsibility to use the resources available provided by the community.
I don't believe bricks and mortar have significant effect on that education. If the community believes the facilities are adequate to provide students the resources needed to educate than that's it. It's the voting public's opinion not the board of education or the superintendent's.
Put it out to vote for a new building and let the chips fall as they may. Isn't that the ideals our country was founded on?
Didn't they just put it out for the people to vote on and we said no?
YOU are correct DONUTSHOPGUY.
Trustafarian is my stalker.
Perkins, I appreciate you letting my brother and I stay with you during the renovations. Bathing us and giving us nightly massages was much appreciated. Pass along my thanks to your wife for me. And thank you again for all of your fine camera work! The 8x10's & the DVD's you made were fantastic. Next time take off the leather mask and join in the fun!
I've been told I look like your brother but it wasn't me.
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You and your brother should stop role playing.
Wonder how they paid for that new high school down south in Norwalk? Must be all those "rich people" that live in the "booming" Huron County economy! Stop whining about 22 dollars a month for your kids education...if that is truly going to break you, you should probably declare bankruptcy now and get it over with. Maybe skip Wendy's once a month and eat something less expensive at home.
I had to work cound not make the meeting, Anyone ask Mr Gunner why there is a new football field and not school improvments?
You know..I'm just curious.. Didn't Honeywell come in and give the schools an audit about conserving energy??? Isn't that where the windmill idea first came about??? I also thought they got a bargain of a deal to install a new high efficient boiler system at the high school.. Or did that not happen and that was the beginning of the new school ploy??
I'm just wondering whatever transpired with that energy audit..
YES THEY DID GOD OF THUNDER. bRAND NEW BOILERS AND LINES. The holes in the walls that they talk about are the old holes from the pipes they did not fill per fire code.
Funny how when folks start questioning the need for increased property taxes for school funding when obvious mistakes have been made in this instance, the "guilt police" show up with "do it for the kids".
Brick and mortar don't create good education. Good teachers and books do.
FEMA trailers and mortar you mean!
trustarian...i must say, the day you and your family left PlumBrook was the single greatest day in our club's history. thank god you left! please never come back.
I think Perkins has a real credibility problem. A large percent of the voters do not trust the school board or the superintendent. There has been too many past experiences when moving this or that tas to this and not coming clean on school issues has all tainted the leadership's ability to convince voters.
This most recent incident of school not being safe as per the Ohio School Facilities commission was just another item on the stack. It was not that they lied it was how it was presented. Maybe the SR was to blame for how they headlined it in the paper BUT the Perkins leadership did not do much to change that perspective if it was the case.
Perkins is not going to pass this levy by hook or crook with the voters. Given the township also asking for money you start combining these levies and that is a lot of money.
If they wish to pass the school levy its going to take lots of talking one on one with voters and lots of house visits/coffees etc. AND I might add that can not be by levy volunteers BUT is going to have to be by school board and superintendent presence. Its going to be lots of folks really ruffling your feathers and you staying calm and answering "HONESTLY" questions. A committment from this day forth to be open and honest with the voters and I think for that its a levy hotline manned by school board members and the superintendent. In otherwords you folks are going to have to get "one on one" with the voters to pass this levy.
sO TEL ME IF I AM WRONG, LikeI have said I had to work so could not come to the meeting. But I heard that Gunner only answered a few questions off of flash cards, he said he would answer others online posting it today, is this true? So to me he PICKED the quetions that make him look good to answer. If there is nuthing to hind, and your so sure you have to have a new school. why not have an open session.
I spent an hour and a half with Mr. Gunner explaining the moving of millage from outside to inside. I spent another hour and a half with Mr. Gunner explaining the new academy concept.
There are many logical arguments to both concepts. But, after the first meeting I had the feeling the school administration was trying to eliminate the taxpayers vote on the new school. This process is against my whole core beliefs.
People, never give up your right to vote. This is your last control of government. Yes, schools are an arm of government.
The second meeting was an overview of the new building. With the precedence set with private money being used to finance half of the athletic field shouldn't that concept be used for the other non-educational areas of the new building? The pool, gymnasium, music area , performing arts area, and stage are a few that come to mind. I'm sure if these areas were half funded with private funds it might not be as tough a pill to swallow for the taxpaying public. How about raising those funds and then come to the public with your new school proposal.
I have ask numerous members of the school administration to explain areas of both these situations. They tell me they are not sure and will get back to me. They do get back to me but I feel there is only one person who truly understands the information. It's tough to sell a game plan to the troops when your captains and lieutenants can't pass the information along.
donutshopguy - were your meetings with Gunner and the other members of the administration recent?
When the millage switch was first being discussed and when I noticed the sign at the football stadium that a new academy was "coming soon."
Thanks for your reply. I've gotten the impression that many of the pro-levy supporters wrongly have the idea that those of us who do not full throttle support the levy are not informed or educated about the issues. Some posters have said as much here by suggesting that (more or less) that if you got yourself informed and attended those meetings you'd see how these ideas are great. I've attended many meetings, asked questions, etc. and I remain unconvinced.
No one should view me as anti-education. I believe education is the best method of improving ones self in their lifetime. I believe parental involvement is the critical link.
I don't believe the process taken by the school board and administration was in the best interest of the community. Eliminating the public vote on this building project to me is un-American. Public vote on issues both local and state or federal level is critical to our country as a whole. Bureaucrats taking away public vote is a frightening slippery slope.
The community knows what is best for themselves. Not a school board and superintendent who want to control the purse strings at the exclusion of the taxpaying public.
So, what happens when the facilities are rated 92/100 (a very poor rating-one of the worst in the state), and the local taxpayers still will not support a facility levy or bond issue? Keep in mind that three different assessments have been done by at least two different entities, neither which is in a position to benefit from new construction (regardless of what others say on here). If the need is critical, is it not incumbent on the board (elected to represent the people) and the superintendent to make a decision to proceed in the interest of near term and long term students and residents?
As for the use of private funds to support portions of the building, I don't have a problem with that. But, how many negative comments were made about the naming of the stadium areas? Quite a few; so should the board proceed with private naming rights even if it's against the wishes of many local residents?
Do we support each other's services in the community, or do we only vote for our own interests? For example, why should I support EHOVE, the senior citizen levy, the Health Dept. levy, etc. I don't use those services nor will my children. I vote for them because I recognize that for a well-rounded community, there are services and organizations that need support in order to help improve the lot of other citizens.
You are worried about the wishes of many local residents in naming rights but have no problem taking away their rights to vote on a new school. You speak out of both sides of your mouth when it's to your benefit.
Spoken like a true bureaucrat. You know what is best for the community. We don't need the public's input or vote. Just pay the taxes I deem necessary.
9299 - You asked:
"So, what happens when the facilities are rated 92/100 (a very poor rating-one of the worst in the state), and the local taxpayers still will not support a facility levy or bond issue?"
I see the biggest problem with the school district as lack of genuine, trustworthy leadership. The BOE and the Superintendent seem to want to frame it as the community doesn't care about its children. This community has changed, but they aren't going to win any more yes votes by beating a drum and chanting "Perkins doesn't care about its children."
So when the state and federal governments decide to increase your tax rates to 90% your OK with that? Remember they were elected and it's incumbent of them to work for your best interest. Spoken like a true bureaucrat.