Julie R. says

I can easily see where they came up with the amount of $11,000.00. An average funeral bill today----with no reconstruction----runs around $7,500 to $8,000.00.

silvereagle_1 says

it has "smelled" untruthful from the beginning.

can t believe e... says

 just a quick note, i'm not sure where the family came up with the number $11000 ...except that i'm not buying it... something smells untruthful

silvereagle_1 says

re; julie r****the guy was a convicted felon****it was ILLEGAL for him to even have a gun, an' obviously the parents were enablers for letting him live with them knowing there were guns in the house.

Chung Lee says

Two peas in a pod?  Sounds like 2 nuts in a shell!!!

silvereagle_1 says

re; sarah tonin & sassy****you two hit the nail right on the head!!! this guy was a jerk, raised by two morons who want to seemingly profit by his death. at the very least they want the spotlight. i too believe it was a "suicide by cop".

CheObama says

2 Officers fired so that's what 3 rounds apiece, so that's not many at all especially if they were using a full auto HK MP5 or some other firearm made for cloe quarters entry.

CRACKER says

"We were like two peas in a pod," she said, her voice cracking.

 

WAIT....didn't he threaten to KILL her?

If the police would not have shot him, and he did end up killing her, they would be blaming the police for not taking action. I don't think there was any other possible outcome. Someone was bound to get shot, it just happened to be the guy with mental issues, drunk and  threatening people. Good job officers.

44846GWP says

The cops will be cleared of any wrong doing. Thats what happenes when cops "investigate" cops, sweep it under the rug.

gemini logic says

This man committed suicide by cop. End of story.

Sassy says

As far as the parents go, they were enablers. They allowed their drunk, violent kid to get lit in their house, and let him have access to weapons. That is not a sign of intelligence, or of caring. It is enabling his destructive behavior, and allowing him to do it in their home is nothing short of acceptance. I find it funny that one of the commentors bases their rationalizations on the assumption that the guy was passed out because he didn't answer the phone. Here's a more likely scenario-he knew he screwed up, he didn't care anymore, so he didn't answer the phone. The police come in, he goes to shoot them. The police won. Good for them, and I'm glad no officers were injured in having to deal with this moron.

SarahTonin says

I understand how you feel and it would be nice if every potentially fatal situation were to have the advantage of hindsight. Then the police would know exactly what to do. BUT this is not ever the case! When faced with a gun and a violent criminal, they are supposed to do just what they are trained to do and that's what they did. PERIOD! You cannot second guess a drunk man with a gun and a violent past.

Policemen are taught to draw their weapons only when they are threatened with deadly force or fear for their own safety and they are also taught to never draw their weapons to threaten or intimidate a suspect. They are taught that when the situation calls for deadly force, that they are to shoot to kill, not be a hero and wing someone. You obviously watch a lot of TV.

As to shooting someone, experience has shown that all shots are not fatal and police and military personnel are taught to fire their guns in three round bursts. Why? Because a wounded animal is very dangerous.

Also many non lethal weapons have been tested by the authorities, including tranquilizer dart guns, guns that shoot bean bags, tear gas, rubber bullets, tazers, sticky foam, water, heat irradiation, sound projectors, shock grenades, and the list goes on and on. What you pay for taxes determines what your police department can afford. Have you done your part in funding the local police department?

Now you may have other ideas but what you are saying is totally wrong and against all police training. Police training is the result of experience. If you know a better way to do these things, well I guess that makes you better than them.

The bottom line here is that if you get drunk, have a history of violence, shoot at people, and someone calls the police, you may get killed.

bored reader says

Spent $11k to make him look good but now want us to donate and make up for it. that $11k could have paid for some therapy and counseling that could have prevented this tragic event. Where was the family's great concern for the past several years while they were obviousl enabling his habits? It was an event that surely didn't need to happen and I pray that the family can find comfort. but, that comfort will not come from blaming or suing the officers that responded.

silvereagle_1 says

if there was a "non-fatal" way to subdue him, pray tell, why did the family NEED to call the cops, why not do it themselves!!!

Julie R. says

I can't understand why some of you commenters keep blaming the parents. Do you really think if the parents had even suspected that their son was going to be killed they would have called the cops to begin with?  I can't even imagine what these people must be going through and the guilt they must be feeling.

 I also can't figure out why the cops felt it necessary to shoot this young man six or seven times when the first shot probably killed him.  Neither can I figure out why the one cop was given so many chances to improve his conduct. With a temper like that he shouldn't have even been allowed to carry a gun!

ragtop66 says

A lot of things wouldn't happen if so many people wouldn't make the choice to drink and do drugs.

Re: Keristrasza...Perhaps the next time a call like this comes in, you should be the one to be on the front line, so others can see and learn how it could and should be done.

In my opinion, the parents should certainly have been aware that "deadly force' was a definate  possibility given the situation.

I think the situation was resolved in the only manner it could be under the circumstances, the whole team should be commended, not ostrasized.

There is no doubt that it was a tragedy, after all a man lost his life, but it's being turned into a sideshow.

Sam says

Tragic event that this young man lost his life, but his own actions lead to this terrible incident.  Once again this alleged newspaper shows its anti-law enforcement bias.  They attempt to make the story line about the officers. This is the fourth article on this subject that occurred in an adjoining county.  When the Elyria officer was killed in the line of duty recently once again in an adjoining county there were only two total articles, fair and balanced, I think not, shame on you Westerhold.....

katelih says

 40 oz...., What would have happened if' ' mom and dad'  hadnt called the police and Bryan just slept off his drunkedness ? I know it sounds farfetched , but when he sobered up he may have been in a better state of mind and vowed to be a better person and make better decisions. Maybe, maybe not.  No one will ever know now !  

Keristrasza says

i have to apologize to "MINE".. because there are also plenty of instances where what you are saying is also the case.. and i certainly respect all officers who go to work with good intentions.. i still feel our current system or policy or watever etc etc has them under-equipped tho.

MINE says

Ummmmm.....Well "KERISTRAZSA"...Really....I was not directing my comment at YOU. I simply made a comment on my thoughts just like everyone else here. So sorry. Talk about ranting.

Keristrasza says

you are a bit extreme to say that they are being blamed for everything.. and ignorant of the fact that there has been enough tragic stories of things going wrong that could have been avoided.. and there is plenty of new technology on record with the patent office that could.. u know what.. i just realized.. i am talking to people who are narrow.. and also twisting what im saying

Keristrasza says

yet u continue (like the other guy) to ignore that i ALSO said they should have full body armor on and now i have added that they could have sniped him with the tranquilizers.. and no, you can tranquilize someone fast with a proper dose.. how do u think doctors do it in surgery.. count back from 10

MINE says

The people of this world keep getting nuttier and nuttier everyday...there are those out there doing a job to PROTECT AND SERVE....US...you and me....yet they continue to get blamed for everything they do...no matter what the issue. I feel bad for this family buuuuuut like most have said....maybe they should have sought help for him before it got to this point if he was having mental issues. He threatened to kill his own mother and she asks for help and gets it now it is someone elses fault? I have to say...I respect all LE officer and the job they do....thanx. You point a gun you are asking for consequences that are not good for ANYONE.

Keristrasza says

it seems like you either didn't read the entirety of my original post, or are trying to twist what i said intentionally.. i dunno.. i was talking about remaining outside of the house WITH full body armor on ALONG WITH the tranquilizer guns and shoot him with tranquilizers through the window.. now that i think more about that, they could also have SNIPED him with tranquilizer darts... have someone break the window (wearing full body armor) and then the sniper fires the dart or darts.

and nowhere do i say that police shouldn't ALSO have their lethal weapons within reach as well for a last resort.. are you (or a family member or friend) working in law enforcement and are ranting because u know you are not a specialist

but if u had taken my entire original post into account, i have to wonder why you are ranting as if i am blaming the officers.. when i clearly state that i do not believe the officers were equipped properly to handle the situation with a guarantee of zero casualties. HOWEVER, whoever made the decision for the officers to enter the house before even making contact with the guy could be blamed. even considering they were ill-equipped, there were still other ways to handle this.

remember you are trying to defend shooting a guy who just woke up to men rushing into his house with guns and he likely was in black-out mode from 2 days of drinking and did not even know there were ever police outside of his door.. and, as for the officers, not just firing a single cool and calculated shot.. but blasting away like frightened victims to the point that his body had to be reconstructed so that it could be an open casket funeral.

if u take everything i said here into account with everything i said in my original post, it's clear that you are out of line

i also have now read that one of the officers in the tactical team has a domestic and physically violent past (against his girlfriend) on record and another one of the officers is his brother.. hmm

they were ill-equipped defensively and their offense equipment was lacking as well.. bad decision making by whoever sent those officers in there.. at this point, without further information, i would not blame the officer's themselves, just the person who sent them in..

so stop replying with rants that are arguing something else besides my point

SarahTonin says

Keristraza asked: "  whatever happened to tranquilizer guns?

A. It's been tried. When any animal is shot with a tranquilizer gun, it takes time to take effect. In this case he would have plenty of time to shoot someone before it took effect. If it were a viable option, why haven't the police adopted it for these special occasions? The reason is it's already been evaluated and it don't work!

I would like to suggest that the next time LE has a problem with an animal like this, they call you and let you go in and shoot him with a tranquilizer dart! Then we'd have one less fool who thinks that they know how to deal with these problems.

My heavens, why are the cops always the bad guys and the criminals the good guys? These two cops deserve medals!

only the truth says

Reply to Keristrasza's post on Jul 17, 2010 11:22 AM:

So, after reading point b that you wrote, do you expect law enforcement to be armed with tranquilizer guns when they deal with people that have guns in their possession???? Who cares if the cop gets shot and killed as long as the person that THREATENED to KILL others is ok.  The cops' life is less than the person that THREATENED to KILL others, right? Maybe you should walk a day in the shoes of a cop before making comments like that. Maybe then you'll realize the dangers of law enforcement and the REAL reasons cops have to stay in control of a situation.  State law gives law enforcement the right to stay one step above the actions of the person they are dealing with so that the Officer can go home to his/her family.  After all, yes Officers CHOSE their profession, but don't they have the right to CHOOSE to go home safely to their families too?

40oz says

1 less idiot running the streets.... Great Job to the officers, way to take care of yourselfs and our families! What would "mon and dad" have to say if this loon went on a shooting rampage?

soldat says

okay....I just watched the video and realized the mother said "we are two peas in a pod" in reference to herself and her son.  WOW, I think I may take back my attempt to be funny and say I'd love to sit down at dinner with this family for some good humor.  I really hope every immediate family member of the alcoholic, depressed, suicidal, convicted felon who didn't care about shooting up homes and threatening to kill his closest family members seriously considers reaching out to our medical community for psychiatric assistance. 

soldat says

It's unbelievable this family is continuing on with their antics! I'd love to have dinner with this family some time just for humor. Drinking, firearms and uneducated/unethical people don't go well together to produce a positive or happy outcomes. I may believe the LE agency may have some things to reconsider from an internal standpoint, but in no way were the officers unjustified in their actions to handle this particular case.

Keristrasza says

a few things i would point out:

a). it seems more likely that he was passed out on the couch AFTER the parents had left the house to call the police (and the police are not gonna send the parents BACK IN to disarm him), so there was no one in there to remove the weapons once he was asleep.. that's what the cops were entering the house to do. i assume it is true that he was passed out since he would not answer the repeated phone calls into the house by the officers for an hour and a half or so. i also assume the last time the parents were in the house he was still awake because why else would they not have disarmed him.. obviously, because he was still awake. (note: even if he appeared to be asleep, they might've been cautious and shy away from reaching for his gun anyway) so.. sadly, he likely was startled when they burst in and probably would not have raised the gun if he was fully awake and aware of what was going on in those split seconds.

b). whatever happened to tranquilizer guns? or that technology that was patented during the bush administration (and legislation was being pushed to equip officers with it for riot situations) which was a device to render a person's motor functions temporarily paralyzed? (fox news, i think?) the report even used the specific language of being able to help an officer to neutralize any possible threats before getting out of his police car when investigating a crowd of people in gang areas who may have guns.. and even if that technology was later found to be flawed or considered not a viable option due to potential misuse or other reasons (as i have not heard about it since then), why not just break a window and pop him with tranquilizer darts and take cover for the moment it takes for the tranquilizers to knock him out? probably because there were no specialists/professionals in the small town or rural area, etc. who would have some bulletbroof armor on and the tranquilizers.

bottom line, the police are not well-equipped to handle these situations. they probably did do the best they could with what they had. the issue i take is just that.. "what they had". but please do not categorize me with these heartless (and/or extremely lazy about problem-solving) people who vomit "he got what he deserved" (and other similar things) from their mouths.

starryeyes83 says

I don't feel sorry for him, he nearly killed a 5 year old child with his antics,  which is why he was in prison.   Granted, it was probably drug related, but when he fired that shot into the house, he nearly hit a 5 year old  CHILD!! 

 

Where were the protests, then?  Huh?   Where were the signs?    Where was the cry of outrage from the  Sandusky Register, Toledo Blade and Fremont NM??   Where was the outcry from the TV news stations, then??     

It's REALLY  too bad the cops showed up that night, they should have just let him shoot his mom, I guess.   Maybe the  dad would have been happier,  maybe?   

 This family has  turned this into a three-ring circus,    OH,  BTW   Register:  nic,e lovely, tacky shot of the open casket through the arms.    Your  "reporting" on this- leaves much to be desired.

 

Are WE suppose to be impressed?? 

MedicRyan17 says

And to Wakeup, I agree, lets protest against people who get drunk, and point guns at LEO.

MedicRyan17 says

Ok, So basiclly your saying that the Police Officers are not allowed to protect themselves??? So if some drunk guy pointed a loaded shotgun at you, You wouldnt protect yourself, and your blood brother, and your two other brothers behind you?? Its called brotherhood, if someone intends on hurting myself, or my fellow Law enforcment brothers, You better bet that person will be taken out. These officers did EXACTLY what they were trained to do, they did NOTHING wrong. That dumb kid made a choice to get drunk, have a gun, and threating the life of his own mother. Im glad the officers were not hurt.

hussein membrane says

 Ah, America. We bring in the cops to handle our family problems. 

This area, northern Ohio, is toxic for young men. No jobs and nothing to do besides get drunk.

With $11K they could have set him up in any number of areas where the prospects are better.

Sigh, prediction: Calvillos will be cleared, in this case, and kill someone else down the line.

wakeup says

anyone in for a protest of drunks pointing firearms at LE?

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ragtop66 says

This is certainly a lot of outrage because the sheriff and deputies did the job they are trained and paid to do.  Obviously because it didn't turn out as the family wanted. What did they really expect was going to happen when a guy is drunked up, drugged up, and threatening lives with a weapon in his hands...that he was going to get a pat on the head and a "now, now you shouldn't do that"? His family members could NO longer control him at this stage.

By the way, did these same family members and friends put up this much of an outrage/protest when HE shot into a home narrowly missing a child and her father?  I thought not.

It's pretty tacky to put in the newspaper that " $11,000 was spent to reconstruct so an open casket wake and funeral could be held", and then expect the public to pay for it. I suspect the public has paid a lot to this family in one form or another.

These people have turned a tragedy into a farce and a roadshow.

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CheObama says

What is "wrong with the whole thing"? They responded to a call where a man with a gun had threatened to shoot a family member, if the family was fearful enough to call LE, then what expect LE to act like Dr. Phil?

unreal says

"We were like two peas in a pod," she said, her voice cracking.  I think it should be "two beers in a cooler."  I am sorry for the families loss but come on you knew there was a problem and like most people you called the police to fix it. What did the family think was going to happen when they call to report their son was drunk/suicidal, threatening to commit murder, had a loaded shotgun, and they were affraid to deal with him.  The family knows he has checkered past - including a prior arrest for shooting into a house.  Why would the family leave the weapon in the house knowing that there was a problem.

I am amazed when people make comments and have no idea what they are talking about.  Reference iamrevolutionary comment: "The family needs to go to the ATTY. General of OHIO" - your a moron.  Who do you think the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation is - it is part of  the Ohio Attorney General's Office. Sheriff Overmyer has turned the investigation over to the state to give a ruling on the shooting, I do Not believe the people at the state level are going to lie for little Sandusky County -the sheriff and his deputies. 

The sheriff and his people were put in a tough spot and they did what they felt needed to be done. I think the police should be thanked for putting their lives on the line everyday to protect us.

Sassy says

"We were like two peas in a pod," she said, her voice cracking.

Please.

The guy was a drunk, violent, and the parents were foolish for not only enabling their alcoholic son to binge at their home, but leaving him with weapons when he began threatening their lives. 

Queen is exactly right-if the guy was 'passed out' (which is quite convenient to say now), why would they have left him with the guns?  Stupid stupid stupid.  They're looking for a lawsuit.  They failed their son in life, why not profit off of his death?  Now don't get me wrong, an alcoholic will only get help when they want to, and obviously this guy didn't.  But to allow him to live with you, and get snockered in your home, is irresponsible, foolish, and just plain dumb.  The cops did what they had to do.  If the parents don't like it now, they shouldn't have called them in the first place.  Oh, wait, then the family would be mad the cops didn't swoop in and magically stop this idiot from murdering his own parents...

queen says

Why, if the family says he was passed out on the couch, did they not remove all the weapons prior to taking further action?  The immediate danger to all would have been reduced greatly.

silvereagle_1 says

this guy was on the path of SELF destruction, he made it.   drinkin', drugs, depression****if the family was so concerned, why didn't they get him help BEFORE it reached this point.

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samantha bell says

Re: I am revolutionary--Julie R; If your so sure how this happened why don't you volunteer to head the investigation, and quit spreading your hear say  and lack of knowledge,Let the professionals do their job than read the report and LIVE with it!!!

R U Serious says

Heres a revolutionary fact......if you're suicidel and have the cops at your house twice in the same day while being drunk and threatning to kill your mother guess what ......don't raise,aim,point or even flinch when the cops come through the door!!!!! How stupid are is it to think that its acceptable to do this.Cops aren't social workers! Should have tried to get him in a AA class or something. Sad but true he got what he deserved. You can't blame society on every incident that happens.

iamrevolutionary says

 OMG!!!   

An investigation into the incident has been turned over to the Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation. The Calvillos, who are brothers, have been allowed to return to work after three days of paid leave, Overmyer said. They will both work as jail officers until the BCI investigation is complete. They will not be permitted to carry weapons during that time.

Overmyer said earlier this week the deputies would be on leave until the end of the investigation, but he decided to put the officers back into service after consulting prosecutor Tom Stierwalt.

Overmyer said he has spoken with the deputies, and they believe they were in the right.

 

Of COURSE!  They would say they did NOTHING wrong!! This whole "investigation" is rigged......I don't have the energy, right now, to go into ALL that is WRONG with this WHOLE situation!!!!!!  The family needs to go to the ATTY. General of OHIO, or the ATTY. Gen. of the US.....Or the PRES. of the U.S. !!!!!!!! YOU MUST stand up and be HEARD!!!

God Bless and Good Luck!!

Joker says

A guy threatened to kill his parents and had a shotgun in his possession.  He then aimed said firearm at the authorities.  That's his decision and the termination of his life fucntions was his own fault.  Please stop blaming the police for every misfortune in life.  Had the police used a taser the man's hand could have clenched up, discharging the firearm and harming or killing an officer.  I have a feeling that if a taser had been used this family would have still said the force was too great.

Julie R. says

Can't say I blame this family in the least. This was pathetic.