Retiree says

If Israel has to destroy Iran's nuclear program, so be it. Lets get it on before it is to late. Israel is smarter than the United States when it comes to getting the job done. Just look at the six day war. Do not play games with this country. The more time you give them the harder it will be to finish the job. You would think the mistakes made in Viet Nam and Iraq, our military leaders would become smarter.  

goofus says

Duh President Steve, I didn't lump them together!! Don't be so obtuse.

So BA the 95 % of the religious people that go about there lives is harmony with the rest of the world do not exist. Extremists come in all shapes and sizes and religions. I'm sorry you were a sickly child and couldn't go to mass with your dad. I wish today I could attend a church service with my dad.

buddyamigo says

Glad to read SanduskySteve's gospel.   I thought I was the only one who felt about religion in a more negative tone.  Personally I don't think religion does much good for anyone except perhaps give them the opportunity to show off their nice new clothes.  Everyone thinks tithing will buy them access and a place in heaven.   It also appears to give these people the right and the power to condemn, chastise and ridicule anyone else who refuses to believe the way they do, let alone promoting bigotry and racism.  This is what I had tried to say in my last note.

I was born and raised in a strict Roman Catholic atmosphere.  Too sick to get up and go to church on Sunday you're too sick to get out of bed all day, not even for meals.   A father who believed every word in the Bible was the word of God, just as the Muslims believe every word in the Koran and that every word was to be followed to the "T" or you were an infidel and should be destroyed.   If you don't believe this a fact one should study up on the Inquisition and the Crusades.  What has changed since then?   Nothing!  If fact this phenomenon has come around again, full speed ahead and perpetrated by hords of people in every religion around the world, except for Buddahism.  So again SanduskySteve for your writing.  I don't feel alone anylonger.   I have my own beliefs, my own spirituality and sometimes neither of them includes the belief in any one God.   It does, in a tangential way have everything to do with the 10 commandments and the real and correct way to treat people of all religions, races and creeds.  However, it's these religions, races and creeds that get in the way of what the [Almighty God ( s ) ] intended for his people (if you will).  Interesting isn't it that there are basically three (3) majoy religions in the world and each one believes they are the one, true religion and everybody else is going to hell.    Look around you my friends.   Hell is right here in our own back yards. 

sanduskysteve says

Goofus - each of those "Gods" are one God to each of those religions you mentioned, just in case you didn't know that.

The Karren (sp) that the Muslims mentions many things which are in the Christian Bible and recognizes a lot of that content as well.  Some people have very little understanding of the actual religious teachings.

Everyone thinks that the Muslim bible teaches war and killing - it really doesn't.  It's an interpretation by bad people - and the same things happens here - Christianity has become a real mess with all of the various interpretations of what the bible says.  We have so many versions of Christian churches it isn't funny and each one interprets what the very same bible says in many different ways.  Just to name a few - you have Baptists, Southern Baptists, Freewill Baptists, Methodists, Presbetarians(sp), and even Catholics and Lutherns who don't even use the same bible as the rest of them.  Then you have Mormons who's who rewrote the bible based on the talking stones which gave a message to John Smith, who was a alcoholic womanizer and said a few years later that the stones told him that everyone should be multiple wives.  I'm not sure that the Jesus that was in my bible would have said that - would he?  But the mormons said that Jesus rose from the dead and reappeared to the mormons here in this country to plant the stones.

There is a lot of BS involved when y ou start to re-interpret what the bible says - no matter who's bible it is.

goofus says

Actually the palestinian authority is gaza and the west bank. Here's a little ditty about beloved palestinians

buddyamigo says

Don't make me out to be anit-semitic Roofus.  I'm not!  I'm anti-religion and what it has done to mankind.  Man sits in his Temples and Synagogues, his Mosques,  churches and Cathedrals and other houses of worship extolling his personal deity, pretending  to be a pious, loving  person who cares deeply for mankind then walks out of his place of worship, picks up his guns and showers those who disagree with his beliefs with bullets with hatred written on each and every one.  I have my own belief in God and I cannot imagine the horrible mistreatment man forces on his fellow man is in any way Gods intention.     If it is, the he is not a loving and just God.   There are many forms of terrorism Sir, and it is pretty apparent that most, if not all religions are part of one form or another.  If religions actually practiced their teachings, their real teachings, there would be no religious wars.   However, since man is not content with peace and love he will find, and has found, other ways to destroy himself, like greed and territories.  So Mr. Roofus, perhaps you can answer one question;  Why shoulden't there be a Palestinian State or Country?   If there was a Palestinian State perhaps the shelling and bombing would stop altogether and the Palestinians and Jews just might be able to live side by side in peace and harmony.  By the way Mr. Roofus, if you think I am of the Arabic persuasion I will tell you now that I am not.  Born and raised a Roman Catholic.   And, if you think or feel I've dedicated this writing only to the Jews and Palestinians, you are wrong.  I'm writing this because you accused me of being  anti-semitic, which I'm not.

goofus says

Yes I can see where the daily rocket attacks and bombings carried out by the palestinians on a daily basis against the Israeli's would tend to make one a war monger!! LOL Only an anti-semite would equate Judaism and Al Quaeda together

How do you explain the murder and church firebombings of the Egyptian Copt Christians by the Muslim's . You are consistent in your animosity toward christians and jews. Try attending another CAIR propoganda meeting.

Christians and Jews have God, Muslims have allah, Bhuddists and others also recognize another deity. So how are we all lumped in together under one God

buddyamigo says

I'm 500% for a Palestinian state.  Why shoulden't they have the same rights at Isreal?  It doesn't make any sense at all.  I have friends who are Jews and they feel pretty much the same as I, that a Palestinian State would most probably decrease the tensions in that corridor.   However, Netanyahu is a war monger of the worst kind.  If anyone listens to him they would definitely recognize that in him.  He is instrumental in forcing hundreds of Arab families out of their homes and neighbourhoods they've lived in for hundreds of years within the boundries of Jerusalem for no other reason other than he wants the City to be 100% Jewish.  Not only that, he promotes the destruction of Arab homes and settlements in the West Bank, etc., that has been Arab lands (Palestinian if you will) for thousands of years, because of his greed and because he uses that age old belief that it was all given to them by [God] and that they are the only ones with rights because they still believe they are the chosen people of God.  There are many philisophical interpretations of the bible  and my own interpretation is that God's chosen people were not only Jews but the whole of humanity.   If one really thought about the deterioration of man's  rights of existance, the hatred of eachother, the thoughtless genocide of millions of humans around the world they only need look at the [religions] of the world.  Each expressing their views that [they are the one true religion of God], giving them the right to promote hatred of others and condone the systematic annihilation of whole societies, ALL IN THE NAME OF GOD!   Isreal is no different that Iran when it comes to this phenomenon and neither are any different than the Taliban or Al Quida or the Islamic Gihad  or the Catholics the Prostestants or any other religious offshoot or other organizations hiding behind the robes of a religious sect, or commune if you will.  We, the United States in it's own way promote these attitudes of war amung these [religious rights people] by handing over billions (3.65 billion a year  just to Isreal) of taxpayers dollars so they can continue to purchase war equipment for the destruction of those who don't agree with their points of views.  It would boggle the mind if we knew just how many billions the United States gives to other nations, most of which I'm sure goes for warring equipment .  I know many of you will disagree with what I'm writing but a little research would give you an idea of the trouble Humanity is in.  Good Luck. 

origen says

yes its too late.

kURTje says

Yeah  wie die meisten von ihnen wissen, wie spat es ist.

origen says

Exactly like Obamas talks with the taliban, They are still shooting and no one can stop them till they are completly destroyed or the government of afghanistan gets them under control (The taliban has nothing to lose except a cave or two). The Egyptians have rescinded the peace treaty with Israel. The point is where does it stop those palestinians have nothing to lose. Supporting Israel with money hurts us even further let alone with the military (Billions spent policing the world) The more we spend the weaker we are, Because we are in no position to spend we borrow to spend on others with no chance of ever getting anything in return.

goofus says

You mean like Obozo's ongoing talks with the Taliban. The muslim brotherhood in Egypt has rescinded the peace treaty with Israel because of the disposition of Mubarak. You ain't gonna convince me and I ain't gonna convince you. But you're wrong LOL!!!!!

origen says

@goofus

 Yes i am glad we can disagree and be civil. The point i am trying to make is With palestine having no formal recognition by Israel it is like us negotiating a peace accord with the Taliban. They can break the treaty at any time with no repercussions and after doing it so many times the Organization of palestine refuses because they know the treaty will not be honoured on a global term (They have no where to take thier greivance). Give the palestinians something to bargain with, If not they will continue the fights because they have absolutely nothing to lose. I am not saying 67 borders, But somthing to be recognized in a law abiding treaty. The PLO (Or Hamas) is a organization and any agreement means nothing because on the international scale they are still not a country.

goofus says

Ori, I don't mean to argue but I disagree with your views and this is America and thank god I still have the right. Please read this, it has googleable points and Israel and the Jews are not the only ones in danger in the middle east

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/02/the_big_picture_on_why_the_palestinians_always_say_no.html

Maybe if Obozo wasn't sneaking around doing deals against the Israelis they would not have to appeal to other countries

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/02/obamas_sneaky_end_run.html

goofus says

Gutz, if only we could move the entire state of Israel to South Dakota. Then we could turn the desert into glass. Easier to see the oil under glass!!!

origen says

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/231744-Israel-Urges-Ukraine-Not-To-Recognize-Palestine-As-State-During-Session-Of-UN-General-Assembly-In-September WOW a country activly working to tell other countrys NOT to recognize another state on the global scene? Who would have thought it would have been israel against palestine. If palestine was recognized Israel wouldnt be able to force them into camps and go on weekly bombing runs in a soveriegn country. Sorta sad how misinformed the US is. Either way it is none of our business.

man4451 says

Captain Gutz says

Which half of South Dakota are you proposing?

Why wasn't the state of israel created in South Dakota?

man4451 says

 Taxpayer,

   nobody could care less what the Israels do. IF they leave the United States out of it. The United states pays for there FREE ride for all them people. They produce NOTHING, but Trouble. They have FREE medical care for ALL Israels people, paid for by U.S. tax payer. But there relatives here in the United States (congress/senators) refuse it for OUR people here.

   And give me a break, the the Israelites murdered Millions in the past, they are NOT innocent of murdering, raping, killing babies, killing a whole cities.

goofus says

In case moonbats are wondering, I'm not jewish, I just have very good friends that are and I couldn't envision a world without them in it. Like the intentions of Hamas. and Iran.

goofus says

How can one recognize a people's right to a state if the people don't want to share the land and want the people that are coexisting with them dead. Why don't we give the Palestinians half of South Dakota? Please try and read this again

A poll conducted in July 2011 by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research and the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion in the West Bank and Gaza indicated that only 34% of Palestinians supported the "two states for two peoples" premise and that two-thirds claimed, “The real goal should be to start with two states but then move to it all being one Palestinian state.” According to the same poll, 65% preferred talks and 20% preferred violence. More than 70 percent of Palestinians agreed with a clause of the Hamas Charter that declares, “The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews".^[30] The poll further reported that "72% of Palestinians endorsed the denial of Jewish history in Jerusalem, 62% supported kidnapping IDF soldiers and holding them hostage and 53% were in favor or teaching songs about hating Jews in Palestinian schools

Taxpayer you are so right. Have you ever flown EL AL? It's remarkable that the airline is so secure without naked scanners and taking your shoes off like the good old usa. All it takes is an interview with a very well trained security person. Maybe Big Sis could learn a few things.

Taxpayer says

I respect and admire the Israelis.  They have fought against the muslim faction and others since Biblical times.  They have been in repression and persecuted for thousands of years before the U.S. became a nation, way before YOU were born.  And you liberal, crybaby freaks have the NERVE to dictate and be critical of what Israel should do?  Another reason why I admire Israel is because they take NO liberal or muslim excrement and will immediately kick A to defend themselves.  They are vicious fighters and fight to WIN, no matter what YOU think they should do.  How about YOU do some research on the wars Israel has been involved with and the common denominator to WHO they fought and WON?  They have the RIGHT to defend themselves and I support them in doing so.  I know you liberal pacifists want them to "get along" and "cave in for the good of the world" or "open their arms in friendship" or "be a peaceful nation" but the muslims are NOT with YOUR program.  It is exactly like you liberal, democrack whiners supporting those "Occupy" idiots with all their violence, racism, homicides, rapes, vandalism and arson.  Yep, like minded losers certainly attract each other.  Iran WANTS a nuke to increase their threat to the world and NO ONE is going to stop them.  You freaks GOT THAT?  NO "anointed one" with a "gift" is going to stop them.  Only ONE nation is willing to stop them and that is Israel.  Here is a tip for you clueless, crybaby liberals.  How is the price of gasoline feel?  Because your president is nonplussed on world leadership, the price of gas has gone up 92% since he entered office.  What will happen to the price of your precious foreign, imported oil when Israel strikes?  I want YOU to think about how wonderful your president is every time you fill up at the pump.  As I posted before, once you feel the STING at the pump, THEN we will see if you approve of all that "hope and change you can believe in."  Ha! Ha!  Gas when 0bama took office - $1.79/Gal.  Remember that when you fools begin to BLAME everyone and everything for your OWN self-anointed misery.  Boo, hoo, hoo!  Ha! Ha!  How is that socialist, liberal, democrack "winning the future" plan going for YOU?  WTF??  Ha! Ha!    

origen says

@Goofus

1.Does Israel recognize palestine as a state with borders (A soveriegn entity)

2. If no See post below, If yes why are they relocating people out of thier own homes inside a soveriegn country.

3. Until The Palestinians have a place that they can negotiate at from and borders that are respected dont expect them to calm down. When you take away everything that people have, They have nothing to lose.

4. When did it become our problem? After 50 years of soveriegnty Israel has done nothing but create more and more drama without Giving a inch.

5. Dont start the holocaust stuff because it has no bearing here. For a entire country that has been so bashed as Israel, It should know better than do what they are doing to the palestinians (Look it up the israelies have camps too, Just for the palestinians. No crematoriums as of yet But hey they have tons of Tanks, Guns and bombs to use. They can use them at will the US will buy them more) So dont start that rubbish, People are suffering and just because 60 years ago you were oppressed gives you no right to do it to others.

man4451 says

man4451 says

goofus says

So your answer for the Israelis is to just lie down and take it, afterall Warsaw and Auschwitz are just tourist meccas.

goofus says

There are two states right now, the problem is the palestinians and Hamas.

Polling data has produced mixed results regarding the level of support among Palestinians for the two-state solution. The most recent poll was carried out in 2011 by the Hebrew University. It indicated that support for a two-state solution was growing among both Israelis and Palestinians. The poll found that 58% of Israelis and 50% of Palestinians supported a two-state solution based on the Clinton Parameters, compared with 47% of Israelis and 39% of Palestinians in 2003, the first year the poll was carried out. The poll also found that an increasing percentage of both populations supported an end to violence—63% of Palestinians and 70% of Israelis expressing their support for an end to violence, an increase of 2% for Israelis and 5% for Palestinians from the previous year.^[29]

A poll conducted in July 2011 by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research and the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion in the West Bank and Gaza indicated that only 34% of Palestinians supported the "two states for two peoples" premise and that two-thirds claimed, “The real goal should be to start with two states but then move to it all being one Palestinian state.” According to the same poll, 65% preferred talks and 20% preferred violence. More than 70 percent of Palestinians agreed with a clause of the Hamas Charter that declares, “The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews".^[30] The poll further reported that "72% of Palestinians endorsed the denial of Jewish history in Jerusalem, 62% supported kidnapping IDF soldiers and holding them hostage and 53% were in favor or teaching songs about hating Jews in Palestinian schools."^[31]

origen says

The fact is the Israelies were granted land that was already inhabited. That would be enough to create even more bad blood than already existed. I am not saying 1967 borders, What i am saying is how is anything ever going to get done (Treatys,binding contracts ect ect) If one side does not recognize the other as a country? Its self defeating, Making contracts and treatys with people only to be broken with no repercussions because they are not recognized does not lead to binding agreements. Say what you want im pretty sure there are enough Israelie actions to fill a page too, The main difference is Israel is a country that can be held accountable But as of yet the Palestinian actions you have mentioned above arent really palestinian seeing they arent recognized in the global sense and were done by factions claiming to do it in the name of the people not the actual STATE of palestine. (See how it works yet?) Give them a country and hold them responsible, If not expect another 2000 years of militant groups blowing up stuff in the name of a place that doesnt exist on the global scale.

goofus says

Yep we need a state for the fun loving palestinians and Hamas and the PLO!!

Attacks on diplomatic missions and Israelis abroad

Numerous embassies and Israeli travelers have been attacked by Palestinian militant groups during the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.

• December 26, 1968: Two Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine militants attacked an El Al plane about to depart, killing one Israeli and injuring two others.^[83]
• February 18, 1969: Three Israeli El Al Boeing 707 crew members, including the pilot, were killed by three PFLP terrorists in Zurich.^[84]
• February 10, 1970: 12 Israeli El Al passengers were killed and wounded by Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine terrorists at a Munich airport.^[83]
• May 4, 1970: An employee at the Israeli consulate in Paraguay was killed by two armed Palestinians.^[85]
• May 8, 1972: Four Black September terrorists hijacked a Belgian airliner at Lod Airport.^[84] During the rescue operation, five Israeli soldiers and one passenger were killed.
• May 17, 1972: Three members of the Turkish Liberation Army, a militant organization linked to the PLO, kidnapped and executed Israeli consul-general Efraim Elrom in Istanbul.^[84]
• May 30, 1972: The Japanese Red Army killed eight Israelis and 17 United States citizen and injured 80 others at Lod airport on behalf of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.^[86]
• September 10, 1972: An Israeli official at the Israeli Embassy in Brussels was wounded by Fatah militants.^[87]
• September 19, 1972: Ami Shachori, an agriculture counselor at the Israeli embassy in England, was assassinated by Black September militants.^[88][89]
• July 1, 1973: Yosef Alon, air force attaché in the Israeli Embassy in Washington, was shot to death outside his home by Black September.^[83][84]
• December 17, 1973: Five Palestinian terrorists shot at passengers waiting in an El Al Israel Airlines lounge at a Rome airport, killing two civilians. Then they hurled incendiary grenades at a Pan-Am Boeing 707 waiting to take off, killing 29 passengers.^[90]
• September 8, 1974: TWA jet with 88 passengers traveling from Tel Aviv to Athens crashed into the Ionian Sea after PFLP terrorists detonated a bomb hidden in the baggage compartment, killing all on board. The dead included 17 Americans and two Israelis.^[91]
• November 13, 1979: Israeli Ambassador to Portugal Ephraim Eldar was wounded by Palestinian militants. A security guard was killed and an embassy chauffeur and local policeman were injured.^[87]
• August 10, 1981: Palestinian terrorists threw two bombs at an Israeli embassy in Vienna, wounding a 75-year old woman.^[87]
• August 29, 1981: Palestinian terrorists killed two people and wounded 30 attending a Bar Mitzvah in Vienna.^[92]
• June 4, 1982: Israeli ambassador to the United Kingdom Shlomo Argov was wounded in an assassination attempt by Palestinian militants, setting off the 1982 Lebanon War. Argov later died of his injuries in 2003.^[87]
• September 23, 1982: Israeli Chargé d'Affaires in Malta Esther Milo was wounded in an attempted kidnapping by Palestinian militants.^[87]
• December 23, 1982: Palestinian militants detonated a bomb at the Israeli Consulate in Sydney, wounding two Israelis officials.^[87]
• December 27, 1985: Fatah militants attacked El Al counters at Rome and Vienna airports, killing 19 people.^[84]
• April 2, 1986: Palestinian militants detonated a bomb on an Trans World Airlines 727, killing four Americans including a nine-month old infant.
• September 6, 1986: 22 Turkish Jews were killed by Palestinian terrorists belonging to the Abu Nidal Organization while attending service at the Neve Shalom Synagogue in Istanbul.^[93]
• July 26, 1994: A vehicle packed with 30 pounds of explosives at the Israeli Embassy in London exploded, wounding 20.^[87]
• November 28, 2002: Suicide bombers attacked the Israeli-owned Paradise Hotel in Kenya. 13 civilians, including 3 Israelis, were killed in the attack. At the same time, two surface-to-air missiles were fired at a civilian Boeing 757 airliner owned by Israel-based Arkia Airlines as it took off from Moi International Airport.^[94]

Palestinian violence against Palestinians

Suspected Palestinian collaborator killed during the First Intifada

Fighting among rival Palestinian and Arab movements has played a crucial role in shaping Israel's security policy towards Palestinian militants, as well as in the Palestinian leadership's own policies.^{[citation needed]} As early as the 1930s revolts in Palestine, Arab forces fought each other while also skirmishing with Zionist and British forces, and internal conflicts continue to the present day. During the Lebanese Civil War, Palestinian baathists broke from the Palestine Liberation Organization and allied with the Shia Amal Movement, fighting a bloody civil war that killed thousands of Palestinians.^[95][96]

In the First Intifada, over a thousand Palestinians were killed in a campaign initiated by the Palestine Liberation Organization to crack down on suspected Israeli security service informers and collaborators. The Palestinian Authority was strongly criticized for its treatment of alleged collaborators, rights groups complaining that those labeled collaborators were denied fair trials. According to a report released by the Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group, less than 45 percent of those killed were actually guilty of informing for Israel.^[97]

The policies towards suspected collaborators contravene agreements signed by the Palestinian leadership. Article XVI(2) of the Oslo II Agreement states:^[98]

"Palestinians who have maintained contact with the Israeli authorities will not be subjected to acts of harassment, violence, retribution, or prosecution."

The provision was designed to prevent Palestinian leaders from imposing retribution on fellow Palestinians who had worked on behalf of Israel during the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.^[99]

In the Gaza Strip, Hamas officials have killed and tortured thousands of Fatah members and other Palestinians who oppose their rule. During the Battle of Gaza, more than 150 Palestinians died over a four day period. The violence among Palestinians was described as a civil war by some commentators.^[100] By 2007, more than 600 Palestinian people had died during the struggle between Hamas and Fatah.^[101]

International status

origen says

I also believe Israel has a right to exist, Too bad Israel doesnt agree that Palistine has a right to exist. The point of the matter is "When did this become our problem?" After 50 years Israel doesnt need our money and protection, They should be self sustaining. After 10 years we cut Iraq loose and need to quit paying them also. Either sustain yourself or become a state and pay taxes instead of the US spending billions on people who will never pay it back. Just my 2 cents.

goofus says

Yes I do believe Israel does have a right to exist. Contrary to the vast amount of anti-semitism found here on the SR blogs. I believe that when the state of their nation  is in jeopardy they will retaliate in order for them to exist as a lawful nation. You are the anti-semite that says Israel could do more (EXPLAIN)

DGMutley says

MUTLEY, I would like a list of what you think Israel should do. You are the expert!!!<goofus

I would never encroach upon your territory.  You just kind of blot out any culpability on Israel's part, huh?

origen says

We are doing so good in the foriegn arena that clinton wants to move on now that the deals are made.

http://pilot.us.reuters.com/article/2011/06/09/us-obama-clinton-worldbank-idUSTRE7586P720110609

goofus says

Thanks coasterfan, i had no idea Obozo created seal team six and had his own intelligence people in Pakistan. Yep we ousted Ghaddaffi and Mubarak and replaced them with the muslim brotherhood. I guess all the pictures I see from the mideast of people burning Obozo's effigy is an optical illusion. Arab spring worked so well that Obozo wants to give them 800 million dollars more, this has to be a plus. Also Obozo's talks with the taliban while they are still killing our troopers is a stroke of genius. Obozo siding with Hamas and demanding the Isaelis give back the land they won in the 1967 war is also a stroke of diplomatic prowess. Yep you're right Coasterfan Obozo is a wannabe foreign policy genius.

Mideast dictators are like cockroaches you kill one and thirty more are there to take his place

MUTLEY, I would like a list of what you think Israel should do. You are the expert!!!

FruGalSpender says

i wish israel would fight their own battles and stop asking our country for money and military aid and troops if needed. our country needs to stop being the world's police and stop acting like imperialists. why did our country help alquada in libya? our country needs to stop meddling in the affairs of sovereign coutries. going to war with iran will cause such a conflict that the mayan calendar may just be correct.

man4451 says

origen says

When do we get to blame Obama, When the debt hits 26 trillion? After 3 years of "Change" (That sure looks like the same failed policys of bush) we are still going down hill (Dont belive me wait till energy cost go through the roof and more jobs move away) With no end in sight. Sure Bush was a idiot and his budgets lied, He did have budgets though Obama (Reid ) doesnt need no stinkin budgets!! They do the debt limit (Which as Obama famously said is a failure of the president to go over) Raises.

You condemn Bush yet give obama a pass? We will see who is the warmonger this summer after the Iran deal is done (They have WMD's havent you heard, Bush did it so Obama is surely to follow). Either way we know Obama is Bush 2.0 and you have a choice, 4 more years of the same deals as before or someone different  who might (I use that word liberally) be a change.

"The definition of insanity is trying something over and over again expecting a different result"

coasterfan says

Wiredmama, am wondering why you mentioned Korea and Vietnam, but didn't mention Iraq and Afghanistan. We (and our economy) would have been better off if we hadn't stuck our noses there, as well.

Goofus, apparently you didn't get the news: Obama got rid of Bin Laden, and helped get rid of Ghaddafi, both with no loss of American lives.  If that's what you call "negotiating with terrorist", then I would say it's a heck of lot more effective negotiating than his predecessor did...  Obama has spent the past 3 years mending fences after 8 years of warmongering by Bush. By October, 2008, America hadn't had so many enemies since WW II. 

All of the problems you've mentioned on this thread were either caused by Bush or began while Bush was in office, yet you blame Obama. Get a clue, dude...

DGMutley says

 C'mon goofus, don't be so goofy.  I don't have to make a list do I?

origen says

Ennd times, Nope guess not. They have been going after each other for ages, While i understand israel is our strongest point for holding a secure area of transport to europe, The rest of the middle east is bent on destroying them because of religious views (Ask amadenajad *Spelling). It will happen no matter what we do or say now that egypt has fallen and no longer have the stringent ties with Israel. This has been in the works for awhile now, Its just going to land at a bad time for the admin and the US.

Kottage Kat says

Can anyone say "end times" ?

6079 Smith W says

Love you yahoos who can’t see beyond America.

Middle East oil is also highly important to our European and Asian allies, not just the U.S.

Why the h*ll do you Obamabots think that we got involved in Libya? For our European allies who can’t even field a decent military response.

If Iran gets nukes, others like Saudi Arabia will have an incentive to nuke up.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-16/how-iran-nuclear-standoff-looks-from-saudi-arabia-mustafa-alani.html

Radiation fallout from a war doesn't understand country borders. It'll drift over here.

man4451 says

Bluto says

Yes, I was being patronizing . I don't really care to see us in another war , but this one is looking more and more likely . This is beyond our country's election year crap . The problem isn't going away any time soon , so who ever ends up in the White House , they are going to have to deal with this head on . The politicians here are just stalling until after elections that much is obvious . I wouldn't say it was just Obama's camp because no politician is addressing it with any gusto . Let's hope that Israel doesn't jump the gun on this or we may not have many choices .

goofus says

The fact that it's the last remaining democracy in that area is not germaine to the situation?  Don't be patronizing for it is unbecoming. A war is not really the way to fix our troubles, military deaths do not corrollate with a simple regime change in our country. However if you see war as the only way to fix this economic mess Obozo has got us into, so be it. Keep in mind we are not using one drop of Iranian oil.

Bluto says

Goofus  , The Middle East is ALL about oil . Why else do you think the U.S. cares about that dirt patch over there . Israel and Iran are chomping at the bit to go at it with each other , and Israel's interests are the U.S.'s interests , the U.S.'s interests are oil. Come on , this could be a good thing . Just like WW2 , this could help kick start our economy if we play our cards right , and take down another threat to U.S. interests ( Oh , I mean Democracy ) .

goofus says

What are you talking about Oil, Israel aint got none. Check your geography! Bluto this aint about oil, it's about appeasing the muslim community. Maybe Obozo's 800 million will appease them. We are deserting, through Obozo's failed policies our only ally left in that region, Arab spring took care of the rest.

goofus says

Bluto says

@wired  , OIL,OIL,OIL !!!

wiredmama222 says

why are we again sticking our noses into someone elses business?  Apparently we didn't learn our lessons well enough in Korea and Viet Nam.  Here we go again?????   !!!!!!!

The two countries have been fighting this battle for Millinia....so why are we even considering taking sides?????? We should do nothing this time and support either country. 

We shouldn't send help or sanction either, send no troops and let them do whatever they plan because in the end that is what they will do anyway.  And if we assist either, you watch, it will end up that in some way, the rest of the Middle East will see it as our fault. 

NO, not this time.  For once, someone needs to say NO.  No help, no money, no assistance in either men, machine or weapons.  For once, let them take care of their own countries and let us take care of ours.

We can't take care of our OWN backyard yet, so why take care of anyone else's . 

When our debt is down, our jobs up and our people fed, then play policeman for the world. 

Until then let the middle east be.  We really don't need them for anything and if they are so intent on blowing each other off the face of the earth, let them.  Its their part of the earth. 

For once....JUST SAY NO.