MarbleheadNative says

Whatever, I don't have time for this.....this whole topic has gone way off the intended issue.

origen says

Its sad people can turn a injustice did to people at the hands of authoritys can be turned into a racial issue, Some people i guess cannot see the who point.  They skip over the cases as above because they dont care but wanna preach Civil rights to others. So if you dont like The GOP your racist against whites? Works both ways and both ways are brainless.

origen says

@Mrjsiah

???? Name one thing ive said that could be considered racist. If you cant then sit down and quit throwing around accusations in which you have no evidence of. I dont have anything to say about civil rights??? Get real, That organization is nothing more than a front, They have no care about oppressed people as long as it furthers thier agenda. So please feel free to do some posting of my racism, If not you accuse and prejudge, That makes YOU the prejudiced one.

 Was it the quote from MLK that made you mad?

mrjsiah says

 Im not talking about his side today but when it comes to the naacp he and alot of others has used the bashing of the naacp as a chance to put down blacks .I respect anyones opinion but when someone comes on and time arter time bashes blacks as if less then. But when someone white does anything they have no comment . And like i said it isnt only a minority thing these are humans so i dont think people shoild be like if they are not white ,they not black etc we shouldnt care or bother. Dont get me wrong when it comes to someone being gay minorties are the most homophobic . And me being a straight black male it is wrong no matter what .

sanduskysteve says

mrjsiah I have to take origen's side on this - I haven't seen anything racist from him - I also didn't read anything he said on this article that could be construed as you stated.  In fact, all he did really was agree with what I said - and I certainly didn't say anything racist about this situation and I believe that the minority groups should be on top of this hideous action against the gay men.

mrjsiah says

 Origen you really have nothing to say when it comes to civil rights you have been saying for a long time some of the most racist things on here . Where is your civil rights when you are always trying to tear down all blacks and then try to condone it as if just because they are blacks they are less . What has happened to these men gay or straight was really bad and not just the naacp or minorties whites should also speak out about this . Not just say because they are gay they are a minority so its not our business .

mrjsiah says

 Stacey Long, the federal legislative director at the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, says that her group jumped at the opportunity to work with the NAACP to promote job growth, specifically because, in so many minority communities, one hardship cascades into many more. "One of the things that we do when we're working on legislation or policy matters is we fit it through the lens of racial and social justice," she says. Here is the Naacp that people on here is so quick to use when they are trying to codemn and put down blacks . Like i said what are you trying to do about peoples rights other than try to bash blacks on here?

 

mrjsiah says

 he National Association for the Advancement of Colored People was founded on the basis of promoting equality for blacks, but more than a century after its founding, it appears that the organization should be renamed ‘The National Association for the Advancement of Diverse People.’

As the Associated Press reported, leadership positions that were once held only by blacks are now being filled by members of other racial or ethnic groups. This month, the Worcester chapter elected a 28-year-old openly gay black man as its president; in Mississippi, the Jackson State University chapter elected a 30-something white man, while a Honduran immigrant was elected to lead the New Jersey branch last year. The organization does not keep track of their numbers, but in recent years, chapters in New Jersey, Connecticut and Georgia have elected Hispanics as president.

While some may believe that the NAACP is recreating their image in the 21st century by recruiting whites, gays and immigrants, experts such as Maya Wiley, founder and executive director of the non-profit, The Center for Social Inclusion, say that working alongside people of other races, beliefs and nationalities has long been a part of the organization’s mission.

“The NAACP was founded by leaders who were white and black because they were appalled by the violence against fellow black Americans,” said Wiley. “The NAACP’s history has always included people of other races committed to equality for black Americans.

origen says

"A injustice to one is a injustice against all" I would have to agree with steve here, If you are going to call yourself a "Civil rights" organization they should be all over this to get to the truth of the matter.

sanduskysteve says

I don't ever remember saying what color they were either mrjsiah, however I do remember someone stating that the NAACP represents ALL minorities not just blacks.  And I think I said minorities, I didn't say blacks.  And aren't gays a minority?  As a group anyway.

Stop reading into things more than what was said.

OMG.LOL.WT_ says

@Alan 1710, if you had read my earlier post you would know.  Here it is again:

Regardless of any opinion of "gays", I think the cops behaved badly if the allegation prove true!

Now, since you are so worried about my mental condition, I noticed that you have been on this forum 22 hours and 5 minutes. 

I guess we all know what topics you are interested in.

mrjsiah says

 Well Steve being that Cleveland also has a branch and also there is gay rights groups out there for theses things . What the hell do the naacp have to do with this quit trying to bring up things that has nothing to do with others . If you are concerned why dont you go to Cleveland and fight for them . Im shore the Gay rights group would love to have someone who loves everyone but minories and who said what color these men were. I watch cleveland news and they never even said their color . So can i get the conclusion you know something others dont know

sanduskysteve says

Oh yea, where is the NAACP or the ALCU on this?  Although everyone insists that the NAACP is for all minorities - don't see them rallying around any minority except blacks.

ACLU doens't want cities to have curfews, but it's ok for this type of activity to go on.

sanduskysteve says

These comments have turned into gay bashing with very little to do with the article. Not sure if that's what should be happening here. I am not gay - but I really don't care who is or is not because they are not effecting me at all. You would think the government would take a little different view on this. Let's look at some facts of gay-marriage. Gay people usually stay together longer than some married couples. Gay people actually for the majority of them - do work jobs. Because of an increasing number of state laws forbidding marriage, gays actually pay higher tax rates than married couples. Gays, in light of this, could actually be better role models for their kids (if they have any). Gays don't fight amoung themselves as much as married couples either. If I'm wrong, where are all of the reports in the paper about this? There really aren't any. You don't hear about a gay person holding their significant other on the bed at gunpoint threatening to kill them so they son has to stab the guy 3 times - do you? You want a messed up kid - I think that would be much more harm than living with a couple of gay guys or girls that actually get along and work in the community and pay taxes.

MarbleheadNative says

MarbleheadNative says

 Not a personal attack, at all. Just my opinion in observance of your continuious stream of quotes. Obviously you are entertaining.Do you, at least,  have any words or thoughts of your own, on the issue, or must you use everyone's quotes from the words you've read? At least I have an education and have thoughts and opinions of my own.

OMG.LOL.WT_ says

Really, ALAN, Should I consider that a personal attack?  If so, that is contrary to the Discussion Guidelines Rule No. 1.  I read and post on here for entertainment.  What is your excuse?

MarbleheadNative says

OMG.LOL.WT_

What a closeted man you are. You take so much interest in this issue I suspect you've had more man a** than a toilet seat. Another thing,get over your self because everyone else has. What kind of psych degree do you have anyway> I suggest you purchase a new version of the "DSMV" to educate yourself....

OMG.LOL.WT_ says

Where the heck is TAXPAYER on this issue?  Surely, it's all a leftist, liberal plot!

  As merry as a grig —Frank Swinnerton
    As merry as a mouse in malt —George Garrett
    As merry as forty beggars —Proverb
    As merry as notes in a tune —Dame Edith Sitwell
    As merry as the day is long —William Shakespeare Shakespeare used this in both Much Ado About Nothing and The Life and Death of King John. In daily conversation, ‘cheerful’ is often substituted for ‘merry.’
    Gay as the latest statistics on cancer or crime —Elyse Sommer
    (Yours is) a spirit like a May-day song —Dorothy Parker
    Blithe as the air is, and as free —Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
    Cavorted like a mule let out to pasture —Borden Deal
    Feeling like Fourth of July —Stephen Vincent Benét
    The gaiety of life, like the beauty and the moral worth of life, is a saving grace, which to ignore is folly, and to destroy is a crime —Agnes Repplier
    Gay as a funeral procession —Anon
    As merry as a condemned man eating his last meal —Elyse Sommer
    Gay as a honey-bee humming in June —Amy Lowell
    Gay as a parade —Hilda Conklin
    Gay as larks —Aesop The use of “gay as” and “merry as” comparisons to larks, crickets and just about any kind of humming or buzzing bird or insect abounds throughout the annals of literature as well as in daily speech.
    Heart … lighter than a flower —Elinor Wylie
    Making merry like grasshoppers —Robinson Jeffers
    A man without mirth is like a wagon without springs, in which one is caused disagreeably to jolt by every pebble over which it turns —Henry Ward Beecher Were Beecher alive today he might substitute “A car without shock absorbers” for “A wagon without springs.”
    (Everything went as) merrily as a marriage bell —W. Somerset Maugham
    A merry heart does good like a medicine —The Holy Bible /Proverbs The word ‘doeth’ has been modernized to ‘does,’ and the simile is often shortened to “A merry heart is like medicine.”
    Mirth is like a flash of lightning, that breaks through a loom of clouds, and glitters for a moment —Joseph Addison

kURTje says

Hey S.R.   now  you use the word GAY here?   Crazy.   Like it has never been used before?   Come out of your closets on wording.                              Geez.............

Phil Packer says

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thinkagain says

Apparently, the SR considers the homosexual agenda immune to any sort of critique or moral outrage.  Where has my stance against the homosexual agenda been racist or discriminatory?  Are two sided debates a thing of the past in your world?  Would the newspaper or any commenter care to give a specific answer?

thinkagain says

The American College of Pediatricians, 2004 article Homosexual Parenting: Is It Time for Change?."Data on the long-term outcomes of children placed in homosexual households is sparse and gives reason for concern.  This research has revealed that children reared in homosexual households are more likely to experience sexual confusion, engage in risky sexual experimentation, and later adopt a homosexual identity. This is concerning since adolescents and young adults who adopt the homosexual lifestyle, are at increased risk for mental health problems, including major depression, anxiety disorders, conduct disorder, substance dependence, and especially suicidal ideation and suicide attempts..."

EZOB says

Read the story!  If the first part is correct, two smaller frame guys are easily handled by an off-duty police officer in front of "their" home.  Now they know where they live but when do they come to arrest them????  5:30 A.M.???   Yes, however you look at them, you have two residents "NEIGHBORS" to some, who have been mistreated.  I would certainly defend any of my neighbors if this happened to them, man, woman, white, black, gay, straight, don't matter.  What does matter? Could be you next!

Super Judge says

many cops are gay! Thats ok they just need to be allowed to go on with their lives.

mrjsiah says

 It amazes me how many people is jumping on thinkagain about his rant but when most of the same people attacking him gets on hear day after day and attcks blacks in the same way even tho i think its digusting but its only sarcasim .As most of you guys love to say dont judge him but when its you judgeing blacks and being rascists its ok lets be fair . He has crossed the line as most of you have many more times .

BGsuGSB2012 says

 @Thinkagain

According to a report by the American Academy of Pediatrics, "A growing body of scientific literature demonstrates that children who grow up with 1 or 2 gay and/or lesbian parents fare as well in emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as do children whose parents are heterosexual. Children's optimal development seems to be influenced more by the nature of the relationships and interactions within the family unit than by the particular structural form it takes."

That was done in 2002, since then there has been other research that has suggested the same outcome.  

Also, anal sex is not just a "gay" thing, many straight people practice anal sex in their sex lives as well.  

 

thinkagain says

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SamAdams says

WhatTheHeck, you asked

"So we should still have the right to smoke where we want?"

The short answer is "yes and no." The slightly longer answer is that you should be able to smoke wherever the owner of the property you're occupying says s/he doesn't mind if you smoke. I've always been of the opinion (and no laws have changed that opinion) that smoking is a property rights issue. If you own the property, you get to decide if smoking's allowed or not. And if you don't own the property, you get to decide to respect the owner's rules, or leave.

thinkagin,

Homosexuality isn't a "perversion against nature." If it were, we wouldn't see it in the animal kingdom. Since we do... It is, strictly speaking, abormal. I'm not saying it's bad or good, but it isn't normal insofar as numbers are concerned. But then, being albino isn't normal, either. Nor is being tall enough to be a professional basketball player. Gentics do what genetics do, and it's pretty unfair to judge somebody for being what they are.

As for the overall issue of civil rights, I don't think homosexuals should have special rights. But then I don't think any group should have special rights. I think they should have equal rights (and when I say "equal rights," that does not mean a guaranteed equal outcome, so let's not start talking field-leveling, liberals).

But specifically concerning gay marriage, you might want to be careful what you wish for... Some churches recognize gay marriage (though most don't). If laws are passed that ban gay marriage, you're effectively telling churches what sacraments they're permitted to administer, and which they're prohibited from performing. That means the same type of justification and force could be used to command churches comply with one thing or another. I'm almost positive that if you stop and think for a moment, that's so not a precedent you want to set. Look at the demands being made of the Catholic Church by the Obama administration this past week, and you'll see a comparable notion that's gone over the edge.

thinkagain says

Sorry to hear that a man’s looks put yours to shame.  Was it an accident or were you born that way?

Repub memo #102, give as good as you get.

meowmix says

thinkagain-- me thinks thou doest protest too much.   What's your beef boy?  I highly doubt you are even attractive enough for a gay man.

My only problem with gay men is that some of them really put me to shame as a woman.  I am a pure proponent of equal rights and believe gays should be allowed to marry and be as miserable as we hetero's (at times). 

Julie R. says

I only met one "gay" person in my life --- one that didn't hide it, anyway --- and I thought he was hilarious. Talk about a drama queen! Other than that he was a super nice guy. Like who really cares what a person's sexual preference is. Live and let live. 

That said, the cops in this story are genuine pigs and the Plain Dealer is going to have a field day on this one!  

Taxed Enough Already says

 Good thing they were not jailed in the Sandusky County Jail.

The Big Dog's back says

 Right wing Repub memo #101, after you insult or call someone a name, blame Dems. 

Bluto says

@ grandmasgirl ,  It has been used since at least the early 1900's , but also referred to female prostitutes, womanizing men , and even brothels in the 17th century. I'm done with you Think . You have talked yourself so far down into a hole that I believe your about to strike oil .

thinkagain says

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Bluto says

Hate to crush your fantasy Think ,but I'm straight .  Love how you warp things in your mind when you talk of tolerance and hatred you just prove me right when I say your cackle is twisted. Why don't you quit living in denial and come out of the bigot closet . Be man enough to admit what you are .

Truth or Dare says

Anyone here remember the 1998 brutal beating and  murder of Matthew Shepard in Wyoming?  There was a Gallop poll done way back In 1999, and 75% of Americans believed  that Gays should be covered by Hate Crime Laws,   Fast forward 12 yrs.,  and there are even more politicians, pundits, preachers and their churches, and now we can add some  LE to the list that do nothing more than ad fuel to the flame of hate and the violence that follows.    The FBI has gathered stats that prove it and Civil Rights orgs. have uncovered that Gays/Lesbians are "2x's more  likely to be attacked in a violent hate crime as Jews or blacks, more than 4x's as likely as Muslims, and 14x's as likely as Latinos". 

A past example:   At a local Baptist Church the Sunday following 9/ll (of which churches  had the highest rate nationally of attendance) the Minister of the Church I use to attend  literally blamed Gays throughout our country for the attack!  His words, not mine.  

Fairly present example of a quote by a Hater:

"Where can I get that Wyoming printed instruction manual?"  Made on 7/23/20ll by Tim Ravndal, the Montana Big Sky Tea Party Association President, . in a Facebook exchange.  He endorses the hanging of gays.   He was ejected from the group.  My guess is he's still around, in the background and still helping pander a more moderate, subversive form of hate propoganda towards the Gay Community throughout this country. 

katelih says

 I think Homophobics are fighting their own gayness... The more you hate and belittle gay people, the harder the fight is..

Minuteman says

Don we now our gay apparel. I guess that means tshirts and undies for these "guys"

thinkagain says

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grandmasgirl says

When and why did the word "gay" come to be a description of a homosexual? Just wondering. I am of the age where gay meant "happy and carefree.

The Big Dog's back says

 goof, this article is right up yours alley.

FruGalSpender says

Remember, thinkagain, that the loss of rights for ANYbody means the certain loss of rights sooner or later for EVERYbody.   i agree with you. some police officers are pigs and are not qualified to protect and serve. these same pigs who did this to the gay men probably treat women as second class citizens. some cops will arrest women and not charge women if the women agree to perform sex acts on them. a few bitten off pee pees from these dirt bag cops would do wonders. can you imagine a dirt bag cop going to the hospital and trying to explain his bit off pee pee while he was on duty? dirt bag cops give the honest ones a bad name.

Bluto says

Euphemism and definition are not the same thing . I think ,  thinkagain is the one who is confused . A euphemism is a nice way to say something derogatory, which does not necessarily make it true . Keep preaching the hate thinkagain since you didn't have anything to say about the article other then to spew homophobic garbage .

OMG.LOL.WT_ says

@Answer Person

Is the word "misogynist" what you meant?  I don't see how than applies.  You think "thinkagain" hates women?

Regardless of any opinion of "gays", I think the cops behaved badly if the allegation prove true!

goofus says

Must have been near the Cleveland Lakewood border. On the east side of W117th st.

thinkagain says

How is it "gay bashing" when one speaks the truth?  Nice to be remembered though.

Bluto says

Thinkagain , Always seems to gay bash whenever something about homosexuals comes up . Perhaps he is angry at himself with pent up latent homosexuality ? These men involved in this sexual assault ( the neighbor and the swat team ) should be dealt with harshly if found guilty . Yes , I called it a sexual assault because if this had been done to a woman all hell would have broke loose on these officers.

WhatTheHeck says

 SamAdams

So we should still have the right to smoke where we want?