goofus says

They could all go back to mom's house and live in the basement huh Brutus!

The Big Dog's back says

 Steve, you can't take putz to seriously.

sanduskysteve says

First I never said anyone was starving - however, if they can't afford food and get food stamps, then everyone will start calling them lazy deadbeats - at least those on here would because they are sucking from the system and living off entitlements.

Now, if someone is working and just barely making it from paycheck to paycheck - tell me they won't loose everything if they loose that job.  I'm afraid you would be wrong - if they didn't get another job in a short period of time.

Captain Gutz says

sanduskysteve,

I don't believe people who lost  their jobs lost "everything" merely because they lost their jobs. And you need to show me one documented instance of someone starving in the last 20-30 years in the USA unless they were held aginst their will and denied food.

origen says

Romney is a businessman that will follow the examples of Bush/Obama (Might as well be a clone) The point being the one screaming against big banks gets the most money for elections and people still persist in thinking Obama is out for the Little guys best intrest, Common sense ought to kick in. Theres a huge problem with money involved with elections these days, They are shooting for 1 billion dollars, Doesnt anyone see anything wrong with that? Both Partys are out for a buck, The hypocrisy from obama is comical though.

(Plus as i have said all the returns arent back yet, Gotta wait to see who gets the most backing from Goldman this year, But whoever it is im sure they will get thier kickbacks)

sanduskysteve says

I was not referring to previous elections as others were not either, I'm sure of it.  My point was that if Obama takes money from them - it's a horrible thing - but if Romney does - hey, what's the problem.

goofus says

Mr. President;

Goldman Sachs employees and their families have given close to a half-million dollars to Romney, his biggest source of campaign cash. Four years ago, Goldman employees gave $1 million to Obama, making them his biggest industry source of donations.

Obama still has some supporters in the industry. A Goldman Sachs Group Inc. managing director, Bruce Heyman, raised more than $500,000 for the president’s re-election, the campaign said yesterday.

Today's Bloomberg Insider

origen says

@Steve

I was refering to the last election, This election all the numbers for donations are not in and half of them dont have to report for another month (I think) so those statistics are off. When all of them are tallyed im sure obama will get his payback for placing goldman people in almost every office avalible on the economic side.

6079 Smith W says

@ sanduskysteve:

IMO, the resounding defeat of Issue 2 helped to paint OH as a pro-union state.

Businesses who want to avoid the potential of unions will steer clear of OH.

In a recent poll, IN moved from "avg." conservative to "above avg." conservative.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/152459/Mississippi-Conservative-State-Liberal.aspx?utm_source=google&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=syndication

Time for a Third War of Independence. Split up the country.

Let the liberals have their own @#$% country so that they can tax, borrow, spend and unionize the sh*t outa each other.

sanduskysteve says

Smith - looks to me like the IN govenor has the right idea to me.  Wouldn't Ohio have liked to get that caterpillar plant in Ohio?  I realize they are re-opening an existing plant - but other companies would be more willing to move into Ohio to get away from manditory union crap.

sanduskysteve says

Captn Gutz - ok, those CEOs lost their jobs - but... if they had a job for at least a year - they will not be starving or loosing their homes, cars, food off the table - they will be able to live on what they made -plus their bonuses for a long long time.

I'm sure if you look paste the rich and down to the poor/middle class you'll find many who have lost everything because they lost their job.  Some lost homes and were able to keep their jobs.

sanduskysteve says

Well, actually, Goldman Sachs donated more to Mitt Romney than to Obama - recheck your facts.

origen says

LOL!! Before people should comment on PAC's they shout do a little research, Before 2010 they were run different. Unions=Greed, Period.

(Goldman sach's donated more to the messiah than anyone, Guess who the Messiah favors. Give unto Ceasar unthinking masses, The banks are hungry and whats left over from the unions you can scrape by on.)

6079 Smith W says

This guy paid 102% of his income in taxes!

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/102-tax-rate-takes-cake-160010322.html

His accountant suggested that he fire his 10 person staff and move the business to FL from NY.

Mr. Kasich: Work to reduce or eliminate the individual and business state income tax.

Captain Gutz says

Dog,

"How many CEO's do you know who had to give up everything they own?"

How many CEO's do you know, period?

Here's a list of some who lost their jobs:

Mark Hurd

Jim Parker

Rick Wagoner

Michael Woodford

Stan O'Neal

Martin Sullivan

Erin Callan

Joseph Gregory

No, they didn't "give up everything they own", but I don't know anyone who has done that just because they lost a job, do you?

6079 Smith W says

Huh. Caterpillar is closing a union plant in Canada and moving the work to a plant they're reopening in IN.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203889904577200953014575964.html?mod=WSJ_article_forsub

"In an effort to attract more union-shy employers, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels on Wednesday signed a "right-to-work law," barring labor contracts that require all workers to pay union dues."

The Big Dog's back says

 ori, that list is deceiving because the unions that donate never change their names. Repubs change their PAC names monthly.

origen says

Lets talk greed then, Forcefully taking your money to donate to campaigns to politicians who spend trillions to give kickbacks to thier friends. Never knew a union president on a national level that made minumum wage. Get real the unions like useful idiots to keep thier gravy train going.

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

sanduskysteve says

BD - good point.

The Big Dog's back says

 Steve, I agree with a lot of your comments, but you go completely off the reservation on this one. If unions were the problem, where did these companies get all the money to move all over the world? How many CEO's do you know who had to give up everything they own? Greed is the problem plain and simple.

6079 Smith W says

A good jobs report number comin' outa DC today?

Hold the phone. The numbers are skewed.

Just drop 1.2 million people outa of the number and miraculously the unemployment rate goes down!!!

sanduskysteve says

Kimo - aren't you exagerating a little here?   That complete article is related to auto parts manufacturing jobs - that is NOT the majority of jobs in this country by any means.

And who may be to blame for this?  That article has an opinion, but it may or may not be accurate since it has an agenda to work towards.  Any article which mentions job losses, China, and Obama in the same article is most likely biased in one direction or another.

A large part of those manufacturing plants for auto parts are OWNED by the auto manufacturers.  They are the ones making the decisions to move out of the country.  They are losing money almost every year they operate and the Unions like UAW are forcing more and more expenses on them to stay open. 

Cooper Tires is a good example of this.  Those companies can no longer sustain that kind of expense and then the union says they will not negotiate - we'll just go on strike.  This leaves the company with two options - move or close.

Moving seems like the best option if you can get the work done cheaper and there are no unions to deal with.

Let's put the blame where it belongs.

sanduskysteve says

BD - I think you'll find that most construction workers have been forced into unions for the fear of not getting work or paid as well for work.  After they are in the unions, they cannot work outside of union jobs or suffer reprocussions of the unions.

It would make sense that once again the unions are the cause of this NOT the RTW status of the state - other than there are other industries such as manufacturing that would gladly move into an area that is RTW.

You're article if very good - but is only based on on construction employment.  There is only so much construction you can do and iwth the house pricing low, there isn't really a demand for more and more housing until things get fixed.  Those numbers actually would make sense whether RTW or not.

Pete says

Is that Brutus' other Jobby Job? A mop jockey at an adult video store.

Does your mom know this Brutus?

gilamonster says

The Big Dog's back says

 gila, glad to see you agree that RTW states are not better than fair labor states. The RTW states just make less money and have fewer benefits.

DGMutley says

Double click, not good, I see.

DGMutley says

China is now the country of choice for immigrants over the US. 

origen says

@kimo

Guess what, China has no unions, They also have less regulation.

6079 Smith W says

@ Kimo:

Here's another article to help blow-up your antiquated myths against globalization.

The strong Yen is forcing cos. like Toyota to consider moving production to the US: 

http://www.straitstimes.com/Motoring/Story/STIStory_754806.html

6079 Smith W says

@ Kimo:

And the lefties can continue to be as ignorant as they want.

Capital and markets are moving offshore - not jobs.

Cos. are creating branches and expanding into developing markets because that's the future of growth potential.

The future in the U.S. "will be defined by high talent not cheap labor." 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2012/01/30/the_coming_tech-led_boom_272453.html

You might as well argue for the U.S. to return to individual subsistence farming, because we "lost" all those farm jobs in the early 20^th Century. LOL.

Kimo says

Wingnuts can post all the bullspit they want.

The majority of jobs are not moving to RTW states, they are going to China.

What's next?

Min wage = dime an hour?

http://www.toledoblade.com/Automotive/2012/02/02/U-S-auto-parts-sector-under-siege-by-China.html

It is what it is..........

NineMM says

Kasich is in himself offensive..........

Pete says

McMuffin,

You are quoting Wikipedia as fact?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Examiner

gilamonster says

The Big Dog's back says

 When Anschutz started the Examiner in its current format, he envisioned creating a conservativecompetitor to The Washington Post. According to Politico.com, "When it came to the editorial page, Anschutz’s instructions were explicit — he 'wanted nothing but conservative columns and conservative op-ed writers,' said one former employee." The Examiner's conservative writers include Byron York (National Review), Michael Barone (American Enterprise Institute, Fox News), and David Freddoso (National Review, author of The Case Against Barack Obama).

Now what do you think?

goofus says

Frootie Brutie, answer my question.

The Big Dog's back says

 Keep squirming guys, you know Obama's going to win. ROFLMAO!

goofus says

Who you going to believe apoll

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/obamas-economic-approval-just-36-percent/355126

Or Michelle

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/207885-michele-obama-cites-remarkable-progress-on-the-economy-

ROFLMAO  According to the first article Obozo needs 6 months more of lying to the public, because it's not what the CBO is saying. Wait till tomorrows yearly adjusted unemployment numbers come out!

6079 Smith W says

Ugh Oh.

Fed Chairman Bernanke is testifying before Congress today and said that the U.S. could become another Greece:
 

"Even the prospect of unsustainable deficits has costs, including an increased possibility of a sudden fiscal crisis. As we have seen in a number of countries recently, interest rates can soar quickly if investors lose confidence in the ability of a government to manage its fiscal policy.

Although historical experience and economic theory do not indicate the exact threshold at which the perceived risks associated with the U.S. public debt would increase markedly, we can be sure that, without corrective action, our fiscal trajectory will move the nation ever closer to that point."

http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/testimony/bernanke20120202a.htm

Keep believing in the economic "genius" of the Campaigner-in-Chief little Obamabots.

6079 Smith W says

U.S. labor force participation rate: 

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

How much more of these policies of turning this country into The Democratic People's Republic of Obama can we  afford?

goofus says

Gee, Honda likes Ohio!

http://www.newsmax.com/US/jobs-honda-ohio/2012/02/02/id/428260

Why don't you blocksnatch?

goofus says

Rootie Tootie Fruitee Brutie, where did they go? Did Kucinich use his tractor beam in  the UFO and beamed them aboard the mother ship?

When Chairman Obozo declared the recession was over in 2009, he forgot to mention that we are now in a depression.

When you have say 20% unemployment, you still have 80% of Americans employed, Why aren't they spending money to help the economy?

Fear of Obozo's policies?

snatchblock_445 says

Kasich has done nothing but screw everything up since taking office. the best thing that could happen to ohioians since he took office is to be voted out.

The Big Dog's back says

 This South Florida Business Journal piece from November is worth revisiting given the GOP’s 2012 commitment to “Right-to-Work” laws on the grounds that they enhance the job market. See, Florida, Texas and Georgia — all “Right-to-Work” states — have been bleeding construction jobs like a Von Willebrandpatient:

Florida trailed only Texas for construction jobs lost in October, according to an analysis by the Associated General Contractors of America.

The Lone Star State lost 12,800 jobs, compared with 4,800 in Florida. The loss of jobs in Texas might be surprising to many Floridians, given that Gov. Rick Perry has been campaigning on the vibrancy of his state’s economy.

The association’s study also mentioned the 11,600 construction jobs lost in Florida over the past year, which the Business Journal previously published Friday, when a report showed the state’s unemployment rate had dropped to 10 percent in October from 10.7 percent in September. Construction led the industry groups in terms of jobless, with government finishing second worst, down 8,600 jobs.

Over the past year, Florida’s loss trailed only the 13,800 jobs lost in Georgia, the association said.

It is worth noting, additionally, that these numbers came from the Associated General Contractors of America (AGC), not exactly a left-leaning, worker-supportive outfit.

Shortly before these numbers were released, we noted on this blog that another “Right-to-Work” state, North Carolina, had lost jobs while Kentucky, which has yet to enact “Right-to-Work,” was gaining them.

It is not difficult to track down more and more instances where this trend exists. “Right-to-Work” is just plain wrong for construction.

6079 Smith W says

@ goofus:

A follow-up for ya that I read this morning:

"Twenty-three states, mostly in the South and Southwest, now have such laws. Lawmakers in Maine, Michigan, Missouri, New Hampshire, and other states may try to follow, largely out of fear of being left behind in the race to attract companies.

A close examination shows that right-to-work laws are not as damaging to unions or as beneficial to state economies as the warring sides contend. Each wields powerful talking points, yet the supporting data is sparse."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/right-to-work-laws-are-a-waste-of-time-for-politicians-and-unions-view.html

IMO, a minor issue - taxes and regulations become the major sticking points on business relocation and job creation from existing industry.

---------------------

Interesting aside: A Romney/ Rand Paul ticket?

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/perry-watch/headlines/20120201-ron-paul-aide-suggests-clout-built-in-presidential-race-could-land-son-on-gop-ticket.ece

goofus says

Could this be the offense we need?

http://www.newsmax.com/US/jobs-public-unions/2012/02/02/id/428253

Afterall, Governor Daniels in Indiana signed the law making them a Right To Work state!!!!

FruGalSpender says

50 jobs? 50? lets celebrate with a ticker tape parade.

FruGalSpender says

what ever happened to that gas plant in green springs?

wiredmama222 says

wow....50 jobs.  That is really something.  Is that 50 WHOLE jobs?????  You have GOT to be kidding.