Super Judge says

Me and wiredmama222 are on the same level! We smoke what we want when we want and where we want, we both had our babies sucking on the remains of the swet filtered goodness and then if they complained, well we whooped them!

origen says

@BW1

"civilization should have ended 40 years ago in an orgy of violence that would make the average zombie apocalypse movie look like a church ice cream social." It probably should have but instead we get front row seats to the whineing decline of freedom for the sake of safety till people are to wimpish to stick up for anything, But will instead complain to a comittee that will head another comittee to pass a law against anything that disturbs anything that remotely influences thier second cousins first born dogs first owners third wives son. (a little long winded yes but just as relevent as someone telling me whether or not i can smoke in a car i paid for)

BW1 says

The problem with Rabbi's bold pronouncements on how to parent is they are based on junk pseudo-science.  In a mathematically illiterate society, people tend to view risk in a digital, all or nothing manner.  Is there a risk to kids whose parents smoke in the car with them?  Yes, but how big of a risk?  A few generations ago, parents thought nothing of driving their kids around in a cloud of smoke, yet the incidence of asthma, allergies and other respiratory problems among kids was much lower than it is in today's climate of rabid anti-smoking hysteria.  There are many greater risks to which children are exposed every day - would Rabbi and his ilk ban bicycles, treehouses, swimming pools, and bathtubs?  Life cannot be cleansed of risk, and the damage done to the fabric of a free society by nanny-statists like Rabbi in the name of eliminating miniscule risks is not a sound trade off.

Of course, Rabbi likes to grossly inflate various risks with fallacious sweeping generalizations not supported by history.  For instance, taking his absolutist claims about the deterministically certain outcome of corporeal punishment at anything approaching face value, combined with historical acceptance and application of such parenting techniques, civilization should have ended 40 years ago in an orgy of violence that would make the average zombie apocalypse movie look like a church ice cream social.

6079 Smith W says

An Indian tribe is suing beer cos. for alcohol related problems:

http://www.thestate.com/2012/02/09/2146596/tribe-to-sue-beer-companies-for.html

We're all victims now.

Maybe heroin users should sue the govt. for failing to keep drugs out of the country?

Mom, Dad, you smoked when I was in the back seat and I've got health problems - I'm suing your *sses!

sanduskysteve says

EZOB - I have to agree with you on this - all of it.  Including the fish issue.

Addition about the fish comments.  I read that someone complaining about nuclear radiation effect on fish.  Sorry - but that water from the power plant has never been near anything radioactive.  Nothing - in fact it's very very clean.  It's actually distilled water and has had all of the bacteria killed - you could drink it and be fairly safe in doing so.

That water is water that has been boiled into steam - which has then been pressuried to turn turbines that are connected to the generators - and the steam is condensed back into water again - it is this water which is coming out of the power plant - both nuclear and coal plants use water for the same reason and purpose.

Don't trust everything everyone says - especially anti-nuclear people. The water is not radioactive and unless there is a breach in the containment walls - it will never be a chance of it becoming radioactive.

Good fishing aorund there as well because of the warm water.

wiredmama222 says

Thank you Sanduskysteve....I went nuts, didn't I????   LOL...but it is how I really feel.  This started for me when they started being able to illegally wiretape phones:  thus my handle.  LOL. 

EZOB says

   I have never smoked.  I wrote articles on the Smoking Ban.  I warned that it would have far reaching effects.  They through something out and the majority of the voters jumped on the "Band Wagon".  The precedent has been set.  Why wouldn't you think more regulations would be coming?  They'll tell you, this is what the majority of the people want.  It's hard to swallow, but you know what?  I'm begining to think they are right.  A lot of people want to force their beliefs on other people.

      I have to comment on the fish.  Over 95% of the Mercury and PCB's are stored in the fishes fat and intestines.  Clean a Lake Erie catfish and you can eat fish three times a day your whole life.  When they do the studies it has to be done on the whole fish.  Ohio Sea Grant will verify this.

sanduskysteve says

You go wiredmama!

origen says

Radiation causes Cancer, so yes i know what causes it. Let the government use deplieted uranium shells for our servicemen, Or the fact that the government can hide the burning of waste at gov installations without fear of prosicution, But wait lets give the gov who is supposed to work for us the power to stop US citizens of making decisions on our own. Only Big government lackey would like that idea.

@rabbi

How do you feel about lawn darts? I think we should give them to all the kids to teach them how to dodge falling things,Or methiolate, One scratch and some methiolate we quit whineing about stupid stuff.

wiredmama222 says

This is just getting to the point of ridiculousness.  I will state that I must be a sinner like Jack5jon because I, too, am a smoker.  But I am tired of having my civil liberties diminshed at every turn by a government that keeps taking them away by the CDC, the Supreme Court and every State in the Union who gets a bug up their butt when they read a crack pot idea from a bunch of confused statistics. 

First of all, no one knows what causes lung cancer....NO ONE!!!!  Even doctors are not sure.  People who never smoked a cigarette in their lives have died from lung cancer and the doctors cannot explain way.  These people came from homes where NOT ONE FAMILY MEMBER SMOKED.  So where does that fit into the statistical anyalysis????  Again with the statistic. 

But back to the point.  My civil liberty.  If I want to smoke a dog gone cigarette, it is my business.  If I want to smoke it in my car....I will.....in my home.....I will.  Will I do it in front of my kids?  I did...while they grew UP and none of them have asthma or got sick all the time or smoke themselves and both their father and I smoked.  We just don't fit the CDC or the government statistics at all..do we? 

But the fact of the matter is, I am getting tired of being told what to do by this government we have become and I am really getting sick of it.  Who said they could tell me what to do in my own car or my own home?  When did that law get passed?  I never voted on it?  I never gave the government permission to tell me what I can eat, drink, smoke or say??????  This is out of hand and it has to stop.  I am out of patience with this whole thing..  What is next?  We have to get up at a certain hour every morning, go to bed at a certain hour ever night? 

Enough is enough.  Our kids are in danger of over eating because they eat out too much.  They are too heavy because they spend too much time in front of the TV or the computer.  They are asthmatic because the air is foul with contaminates and pollution.  Not necessarily cigarette smoke (take a trip to a big city and see for yourself).   Why do we believe this crap?  Because the government says so???? 

When are we going to wake up?   I have.  This is how Germany started to fall apart. 

"Those who forget their history are bound to repeat it".  I am paraphrasing and forget who said it  but they were ever so correct.  We better all wake up.  And pretty darn fast!!!!!!!

Rabbi says

EZOB and sanduskysteve,

I wholly agree!  Allowing your child to eat an unhealthy diet to the point that they become overweight is abusive and at the very least neglectful.

On the subject of education:  I have 2 education degrees and 20 years experience with kids.  I think the laws governing what constitutes academic neglect are ABSOLUTELY shameful.   Studies have shows the impact even a minimal level of parental involvment can have.

When it comes to protecting children, you will find no bigger advocate than myself.

On a side note EZOB- if you mean a "bone-in" porkchop, I would agree.  However, a tenderloin chop with the fat trimmed off is an entirely healthier option, but I digress.

Jack5Jon says

I smoke, therefore I am a sinner. I just wanted to make sure I pointed this out.

Now, I do not drink. So lets start raising liquor taxes, bar drinking at restaurants, bars, golf courses, bowling alleys, tailgate parties, wineries, churches, in the same house as children, etc.

While we are at it, ban serving any game caught or netted in Lake Erie...al those chemicals and nuclear wastes. Lets ban eating meat, heaven knows all diseases animals have, plus they do not take bathes. Lets ban poultry also, same reasons as for meat.

Oh, by the way, does anyone know who has lived forever?

Hmm says

Yes, a porkchop and a cigarette.  That's the same.  How would you feel if you found your 8 year old smoking a cigarette?  How about eating a porkchop?  Silly analagy no matter how you feel about smoking.

Hmm says

Yes, a porkchop and a cigarette.  That's the same.  How would you feel if you found your 8 year old smoking a cigarette?  How about eating a porkchop?  Silly analagy no matter how you feel about smoking.

6079 Smith W says

The CDC now says that bread has too much salt:
 

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MED_SALTY_FOODS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-02-07-17-15-52

Remember, Mr. Obama signed the NDAA. Ordinary citizens can be held by the military indefinitely without trial.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2012

Who needs @#$% rights in the Democratic People's Republic of Obama?

The State will tell you what your "rights" are.

sanduskysteve says

EZOB - BRAVO! BRAVO!

EZOB says

  Rabbi,

             I wouldn't want you arrested for feeding your child a porkchop.  What if your child is over-weight and you feed him french fries or are seen taking them to a fast food restaurant?  My point, where do you think this should stop?  I'll tell you one area that is a bigger burden and should be more of a worry not only to parents but mainly taxpayers, Children who have failing grades because of lack of effort and parents not working with them at home to improve their grades.  If your child drops out of school you should be put in jail, you failed them.  I can go on and on but know, everyone has opinions.  The fact is,  when a whole heck of a lot more parents smoked we weren't experiencing the problems with children that we have to face in todays world.

Rabbi says

I think to stop at age 6 doesn't do enough.  I think all minors under the age of 18 should be protected from smoking parents.  To hide behind the veil of "smoker's rights" and "parents rights" is juvenile at best.  Smoking with a minor child in the car constitutes abuse and at the very least, neglect.

One very important thing to understand is that when we behave irresponsibly, government intervenes.  Secondly, children are not chattel over which parents exercise dominion.

origen says

@steve

i would agree to a extent, Religions have been abuse such as our legal system is been done to at the moment. Take any power and it can and will be abused at one time or another.

But yes i agree faith is the bases for all religions, mostly noble and many a scientist have faith.

Hmm says

I don't really want to go there, but the big difference between alcohol and cigarettes is that you can be a social drinker  - drink or two or three on the weekends - but I don't know anyone who smokes who isn't addicted.  You keep telling yourself that smoking doesn't cause cancer...

sanduskysteve says

Origen - only one comment on what you said - Darwin is science, Religion is a belief.  Actually I would describe religion as faith.  could be the same thing I suppose.  But the premise of religion IS faith.  Then it doesn't matter what religion you are taling about.

sanduskysteve says

I still do not believe that smoking causes more cancer than a thousand other things that we do all the time - contaminated water and air for one.  I have seen many people that have had lung cancer and never smoked or were around anyone that did.  If lung cancer is caused by cigarettes, then there is an issue when someone gets it and didn't smoke or when so many smokers never get it.

The jury is still out on exact causes of lung cancer and so there is still no absolute proof that it causes lung cancer for everyon ethat smokes - and this is already disproved.

Could it maybe?  possibly, does it always? nope.  Can it be safe?  Sure it can.  Is it always safe?  Probably not.

If there was absolute proof of this - then it would be illegal.  Does smoking cause more health issues than alcohol?  Probably not.  We know without a doubt that heavy drinkers develop liver problems.  Why do we drink?  Because this is socially acceptable.  Smoking is becoming less and less socially acceptable outside of those groups that do smoke.  And the smokers group is smaller than the drinking group.

There is no doubt that drinking alcohol causes problems as well as immediate issues of varying types - fighting, killing, reduced ability to perform functions such as walking, talking, and driving.  It effects the brain in a way which is very dangerous besides the ill effects ot the liver.  When was th last time you heard of someone who was unable to talk or walk because they smoked a cigarette or cigar?

Probably hasn't happened.  Fights are not caused because a few people got together to have a smoke.  That I am aware of nobody has stabbed anyone during a fight because of smoking either.

I think this is stupid to be concerned about.  Yes, you should not smoke around children and I do not do that - nor do I smoke inside my home - my wife doesn't either.  WE don't have kids at home - we have pets and don't want to irritate them or friends that may come to the house that doesn't smoke.

This is an issue of courtesy - but should not be regulated by law - unless you are going to make cigarettes and cigars illegal.  That will never happen.  many congressmen smoke cigars while drinking alcohol.  I'm sure of it.  And if they don't smoke - they most likely drink.

Double standard?  sure is!

origen says

@sitting

That whole reading thing is hard huh? Obama has nothing to do with the conversation, A overpowered government dictating everything to everyone is. Please use the scroll roller (The little whirly thing in the center of the mouse) and scroll down and try to read the words to understand what we are saying, (Cliff note - The government doesnt need to tell people with common sense to clean thier behinds after every bathroom break)

Darwin is science, Religion is a belief, You can have both and do very well with it seeing that alot of really really smart scientist were both, Again common sense is what is needed.

A question to you, "If you grant all the power to this administration to dictate everything constantly, What happends when the government switches back to the other side and starts dictating the way YOU live, will you complain about the power you granted to it or go willingly into the camps?" Think about that for a bit.

Sitting In The ... says

Here we go again .....IT OBAMA fault ...the tobacco companies overwhelmingly support Mr. Dole and the Republican Party. Since the beginning of 1995, tobacco interests have given $2.1 million to the Republican National Committee and just $78,200 to the Democratic National Committee, according to the Center for Responsive Politicst. How would religion work into the suggestions of Darwin?. You can't have both!!!!!.

Hmm says

I guess then, the question becomes, "Are you causing bodily harm a small child by placing it in an enclosed, smoke filled vehicle?"  If harm hasn't been proven, hopefully offenders will at least CONSIDER the possibility and put their child's needs above their habit. 

6079 Smith W says

@ Hmm:

Violating another's human rights and causing them bodily harm was "acceptable" until they were made "illegal"?

The Nazis had rules against Jews, were those laws "acceptable" because they were "legal"?

Legal and ethical are two totally different issues.

If you wish to give up your freedoms because some bureaucracy decides that they should be made "illegal," you're looking at eventual tyranny of the strong and powerful against the weak. 

Society should have no more or any fewer rights than those of an individual.  

"The Law":

http://mises.org/books/thelaw.pdf

Hmm says

There are a host of things that used to be acceptable, but now they aren't, because they are illegal:

drinking and drivng, beating your kids senseless, beating you wife, beating your husband, throwing a fast food back out your car window, holding a baby on our lap while driving, smoking on an airplane, just to name a few.

6079 Smith W says

@ Hmm:

"Gov't internvention,"?

So you're assuming that a collective bureaucracy is wiser than any single individual to know which actions should and should not be "acceptable" for them?

Reads like a dangerous road to State serfdom.

The ruling political class is fortunate that they can wipe their own collective *sses.

Most bureaucracies are stupidity magnified.

Reminds me of POTUS Reagan's famous phrase:

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

Hmm says

I understand the annoyance with gov't internvention, however, sometimes I'm grateful for it because at least it makes people think twice about an action that they previously considered completely acceptable. 

origen says

@Hmm

The point i am trying to make here is, Yes people should have enough common sense to protect thier children from harmful things, They shouldnt need to have to have the government tell them every single thing, every single hour of every single day. Some would love to pass a law to curb every bit of behavior people have, Takes away the accountability by saying "Oh we didnt know". If our society has become so pathetic that people need fed,paid,taught what is safe,what is not, how to talk, walk,sleep,eat,and breath by the government then they have become to stupid to be considered human and need to meet thier own ends. Here in the US we have this thing called freedom, To take away the freedoms we now have by passing laws which are morally, or ethically acceptable to the growing trends makes the Scientific minded types who think they are superior to others no worse than the religious fanatics that created and perpetrated the inquisitions, Not a great out look for people who know how to think and like the freedom to make choices without a bueracracy breathing down your neck 24/7.

"The OWS can camp in parks for months in unhealthy conditions to make a point and they are applauded, Smoke in a car and you might as well gut someone". See where im going with this?

Train says

Hmm says

Origen do you really have to choose between forcing your kid to inhale smoke or drive in a small car?  I get your point, but kids are stuck with this choice their parents make.  Isn't there even a SMALL part of you that stops and thinks, "Gee, maybe its a little selfish to subject my kid to this habit I have." ?

The Big Dog's back says

 Yeah, the Ford Pinto was a real gem. Gee, what was that liquid that ignited on impact? Are those electric cars or gas cars that catch on fire at an accident. Burning alive is much better eh ori?

origen says

The thing i really do not understand is the liberal eco nuts would all have us riding in exploding electric cars or "Smart cars" that weigh all of 1000 Lbs along our highways (a truck could turn them into a greasy spot and wouldnt notice for 20 miles) but worry about smoke. I would rather my children inhale a bit of smoke than spontaneously combust or get run over by another car because "They thought it was a skate board". If saftey is a issue quit pushing people to buy drive around roller skates and Ronson lighters that the batterys are so toxic they will not reveal the backlash of the batterys that run them.( I wonder how many lbs of toxic smoke a Volt puts off as it combust?)

" Maybe we can all meet halfway, You leave me alone, Quit passing idiotic laws and ill quit pointing out your stupidity."

6079 Smith W says

@ origen:

I agree. I'm all for the right of Dems to smoke in their vehicles with their children in the back.

According to Kimo, it makes people stupid.

Who am I to suggest that the Dems aren't entitled to an idiocracy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBvIweCIgwk

origen says

@Sitting

Im not bashing, Quite the contrary. Why stand in the way of nature by fobbiding them from self destructive behavior? I dont complain if someone wants to run thier head into a brick wall for hours, I see it as natural selection not somthing the Government needs to get involved in. Let Darwins Theory work, Unless they actually want to keep the vunerable masses alive to be easily swayed into idiotic political ideology. (Keep em stupid, They are easier to control that way)

Sitting In The ... says

 I prefer science explaination of the creation of the universe and thats my right as an American; as it your right to believe whatever you want. Do I bash you for it nope. I wanted to point out that Darwin used science to prove his theories.

grandmasgirl says

My dad smoked three packs of cigarettes a day. We drove 55 miles ( each way) every week to see our grandparents. My siblings range in age from mid 70's to 55. None of us have lung issues. I am not saying that we won't have, just that we don't at this time of our lives. Neither parent died from cancer or lung issues. There are many issues that this government really need to take care, but I just don't place this one in the top ten.

6079 Smith W says

Kinda says it all: 

"The study found that Republicans were 26% less likely to report poor health than Democrats. Republicans were also 15% less likely to be smokers compared with Democrats."

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2009-releases/republicans-democrats-health.html

TuffNutts2011 says

Just looking at that picture makes me wanna puke lol. 

EZOB says

  I thought the number of smokers was on the decline.  Even if that is false, I think we should do away with pizza places.  If you want to make a pizza in your house or eat one of those 1500 calorie burgers, okay, just do it behind your closed doors.  These pizza and nhambuger joints are doing more harm to our children than second-hand smoke.  They are to fat to run anyway, why worry about their lungs?  Truth!!!!  My daughter is a teach, not at Meadowlawn where my grandson attends.  If anything he could stand to gain another 10 pounds, he's on the thin side.  My daughter packed a cookie in his snack box, "Not lunch".  The teacher said only fruits and vegetables are acceptable.  Get this, What did the school serve Him for lunch on the same day??   You guessed it, Pizza!

The Answer Person says

SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL ONTCOLOGIST...OR HIS HOUSE ON THE CHAUSEE!

The Answer Person says

CANCER CURES SMOKING!

origen says

You Dems love science and have a weird dislike for religion, So why are you standing in the way of Darwins theory? If your just going to disprove his theory by worring about others and forbidding them from things that are dangerous you exspressly want the stupid to survive, ahhhhh more dem voters i figured it out, Never mind.

gilamonster says

coasterfan says

And the score is......Fellow Democrats: 3, Taxpayer: 0       If you want to have fun, read one of Taxpayer's rants in an increasingly fast/manic voice, complete with frothing mouth. You just gotta know that's how he really talks. The problem, of course, is that the brain never quite keeps up with the mouth. 

I concur with Kimo. The real problem is that some people are too ignorant to realize that they shouldn't smoke in an enclosed vehicle when children are riding in same enclosed compartment. It's not a political issue, it's a common sense issue. People who truly care about their kids don't do things that quite obviously harm their kids' health.

TK's comment is an amazingly accurate. Thanks for pointing out one of the basic contradictions that are part of the standard Republican belief system.

abigbear says

alcohol will never be attacked but it would impair ones judgement on taking care of ones child in case of an emergency no more  alcohol aholes

FruGalSpender says

than

FruGalSpender says

i would rather smell smoke that someone's flatus.

Hmm says

People are so caught up in the idea of government interenvention, they're missing an important point.  Its pretty selfish to subject people to smoke in such a small area.  To a non smoker its smelly and can be nauseating.  A person can choose not to go into a bar, but a child can't choose not to go into the car.  With all the information about second hand smoke, why would you subject your child to it if there is even a POSSIBILITY that it could cause health problems?