Curbside program missing details

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Aug 26, 2014
The curbside program is lacking the fine details.
 
The main selling point of the curbside program is that it will lower the trash bills to $35. It is difficult to believe my trash bill will be cut in half. There is an old saying that when it sounds too good to be true, it usually is too good to be true.
 
The county claims the more customers included in the program, the lower the cost. I think way too much pressure is being applied to Sandusky due to Sandusky’s population. If Sandusky is not included, the rest of the entities will have to endure a higher cost. 
 
The citizens will be stuck with a monopoly of one hauler, possibly poor service, and the contract could be subject to amendments. The contractors always play the game of bidding low in order to obtain the contract and then adding on extra costs at a later date. If that should happen, it will be too late to opt out of the program, and the other haulers would have already dismantled their businesses. The customer will have no choice but to pay what is being mandated.
 
No details have been told to us about how the county will treat the delinquent billing and who will make up for the debt owed. I doubt the hauler or the county is going to absorb the debt. The debt may be placed on the property taxes, but in the meantime, the cost has to be absorbed by someone. The cost will always be passed down to the consumer.
 
Sandusky’s citizens are struggling to pay the bills, so the trash bill is going to be last on the list to get paid.
 
Will there be handicap provisions, senior discounts, or will all the perks vanish under the one-hauler system? Will the citizens have to pay extra for bigger items that have to be trashed? What are the restrictions? The county can’t just roll out a program without providing the fine details. We don’t wish to be informed after the fact that we will no longer be receiving the little perks some of the haulers are providing to their customers in order to stay competitive.
 
The January 16 implementation date is fast approaching, and no details have been released about what is included in the Request for Proposal (RFP). 
 
It seems like an awful lot of work for the haulers to go through an RFP process when every entity has an option to opt out. I would think the RFP process would be greatly compromised and almost impossible to bid on a project when the entities are not fully committed to the program. 
 
The city commissioners need to keep in mind they are not working toward what is best for the county or other entities, but what is best for Sandusky’s citizens in the way of protecting jobs and preserving the income tax base.

Comments

The Bizness

How about you actually wait and see the proposal before you complain about it?

This woman is horrible for our City.

By the way if it really does cut my bill for nearly $70 to $35 for both trash and recycling I am 100% behind it.

Also can we stop calling it a monopoly? Companies are able to bid, and whoever bid the best wins. That means the next time it is up for bid, if someone can be more competitive then they win. It is not a monopoly.

brangela

Everyone needs to ask people from Huron how much their service is and how consistent they are. They pay in the $30's and have good consistent service. Prices have not been raised as long as I can remember.
We now live in the township and pay $65 for less service.

I am in support.

The Bizness

My parents live in Vermilion and it is the same as what you saying. Crazy thing about recyclables is typically the company hauling them away is making money off your trash, so they are getting paid to take it away, and then to sell it to companies that use the recycled materials.

bnjjad

Agreed. Huron's program should be used as a good example of the service. I don't know a single person who ever complains about Trash service in Huron (or vermilion for that matter either).

1: Need extra bags or large Items? - Buy tickets for them
2: Discounts needed for handicap/seniors? Why? If the bill is 50% less then individual service then that is the discount.
3: Bill collection? - Huron seems to have no problem getting it done.

Edit: over 20 years of Trash pickup in Huron, not one day was missed, now that I have a different hauler outside of Huron, it is a regular occurrence (1 every 2 months or so)

bnjjad

"Also can we stop calling it a monopoly? Companies are able to bid, and whoever bid the best wins. That means the next time it is up for bid, if someone can be more competitive then they win. It is not a monopoly."

Considering how spread out some of these haulers are (multiple county), I don't think they will have a problem getting other business. The fact that she thinks this will put them out of business altogether, maybe. And if they cant survive, then they were probably not one of the better ones to begin with.

JT Adams St

Next time it comes up for bid, all of the small trash haulers will be out of business. There are a lot of arguments in favor of a single trash hauler, starting with the fact that instead of having 5 or 6 different trucks rolling down each street, there would only be one. But to argue that the company that wins the bid for the city's contract will be the company that provides the highest level of service is silly. I used to have a conversation every week with the dispatcher for the hauler picking up yard waste, explaining that yes, I did put my yard waste at the curb the night before. Of course, the dispatcher didn't care, because I didn't have a choice.

You would think that picking up garbage wouldn't be that difficult. But this is the same city government that had a prime parcel of bay-front property next to the transient marina and leased it to a seasonal taco stand, which creates maybe 6 jobs for part of the year, instead of leasing it to a full-service restaurant that would have created dozens of full-time jobs. So, we can expect the worst. I'm picturing a mule hauling a wagon, with garbage blowing off the back of the wagon.

sugar

LMAO, although I like that "taco stand", I didn't know the bozos turned down a full service, full time restaurant.

Skinny boy from...

So who was willing to put in a full service restaurant at the Paper District Marina? Also were they willing to pay for the significant costs to build a full service enclosed dining facility, cause I don't know anyone willing to dine alfresco on the Bayfront in February.

WhatTheHeck

I have Ruffin and I love them. I am not changing!

IrishEyes

I also have Ruffin Refuse and want to keep them. I previously had FSI and dreaded recycling pickup days, watching all day to see if my bags were picked up and having to argue with their office personnel. They always asked the same questions, hinting that it was MY fault my recycling wasn't collected. (YES, the bags were put out by 6:00 am; and YES, they were placed where they could easily be seen.) No worries or stress with Ruffin. With a smaller business, you often get better service because each customer is valued and not just a number.

T. A. Schwanger

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@ Bizness

Where is the public discussion on this issue? It's called transparency.

How many large trash hauling companies do we have in Erie County to bid on a one hauler system?

How long will the one hauler contract run for? 5 years? One year? It should be bid yearly.

Bizness' blog comments speak of creating jobs in Sandusky but doesn't seem to be bother by putting the small haulers out of business costing jobs.

I remember when Sandusky switched to allowing "curbside pickup" changing from "behind the house pickup" in the name of saving the customer money. It was less than a year later and quarterly bills began to increase.

Get in tune with the world around you Biz. There are a number of small haulers in Erie County unable to bid on a county wide system. One hauler I'm familiar with has 400 customers--a small operation. A county wide system shuts out the little guy.

bnjjad

"It seems like an awful lot of work for the haulers to go through an RFP process when every entity has an option to opt out." - That is the cost of doing business, you pitch your service/sale and you either get it or you don't and move on.

"I would think the RFP process would be greatly compromised and almost impossible to bid on a project when the entities are not fully committed to the program." - Why would it be compromised? They should be able to easily adjust price calculations based on provisional/estimated pickups based on signed on entities.

Sharon, have you ever actually done anything regarding business operations before? I think your barking up the wrong tree on this one.

sugar

Most people who agree to dictated services are naive and /or too busy to notice what is happening until all choice had left them. It's a shame that our elected controllers feel that we are too stupid to decide who can haul our trash.
Make it optional for those who insist on forfeiting their brains and liberty. Keep your big daddy "improvements" for the sheeple. I can choose my own hauler and program.

sugar

Thank you Sharon for pointing out the obvious issues that the statists here can't see for the socialism in their way. Hehehe

knowitall

I want to chose my own hauler!

getit right be4...

I want to chose my own hauler also.

totallyamazed

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Sigh...

Monopoly..."exclusive control of a commodity or service in a particular market." This certainly can't be classified as a monopolistic circumstance...right? I mean only one hauler can't be considered a monopoly right?

Besides, "exclusive control of a commodity or service in a particular market" can be a good thing, can't it?

I mean the few remaining giant oil companies haven't raised gas prices? Corporate farming isn't trying to slip a fast one by us and poison the country with pesticides and squash the family farmer, are they? What about airlines, telecommunications, and a others? I'm stating to feel warm and fuzzy about corporate "exclusive control of a commodity or service in a particular market".

I mean the government is looking out for our best interest aren't they?

{{sheeple}}

HA!

I want to choose.
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knowitall

To quote a famous leader......"money has no fatherland, financiers are without patriotism and without decency, their sole object is gain."

Skinny boy from...

"Curbside program missing details"
Kinda like most of her columns

reader

I like to count how many times Sharon uses the word "entity" each week.

sugar

Boy does Sharon ruffle feathers of some! Go Sharon!

Truth or Dare

They turned down the possibility w/no discussion whatsoever of a Jimmy Buffet's Cheese Burger In Paradise which could've provided at least 50 f/t, year round positions. The night it was presented to the City Commissioners it was shot down like a clay pigeon. The comment made, and I'll never forget it, "we don't need another burger joint." I was there, I remember! It didn't fit into the agenda they had already decided upon regarding the new City Marina to be built, a food shack we get to support and lotsa grass covered with seagull and goose droppings!

As for the trash hauling, we use Ruffin, have for 6 yrs. and are completely satisfied w/their service and will continue to do so unless they're put out of business. Should that be the case, we'll haul our own trash to the landfill and I'll do it personally if necessary.

Skinny boy from...

Thank you for the information. While I'm not sure how successful or actually doable a Cheeseburger In Paradise would have been in that location, it definitely would have fit atmospherically into a marina, it still should have been at least discussed but that's Sandusky City Commission for you. At least the Dockside does have tasty food and a great view. I go there several times a year for lunch or dinner and a sundowner or 2. I wish they would dredge Pipe Creek then put a Margaritaville Restaurant in where TGI Fridays is. Them would be some good times minus the shootings. CP and Sandusky are you listening?? To their credit Sandusky did build a really nice marina just not in the best location. Something a couple of blocks east would have been excellent location, abeit more difficult to do.