Stop voter suppression

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Mar 3, 2014

 

Early voting has proved two things in an abundantly clear way: More Ohio residents vote when voting hours are extended; and Republicans don't like that.

Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted, who is running for re-election on the fall ballot against Cuyahoga County Democrat Nina Turner, approved uniform hours for all 88 Ohio counties last month, eliminating evening hours and Sunday voting.

Husted cut Sunday voting completely and eliminated evening hours and five open days from the voting calendar. If Husted's order sticks, he will have successfully suppressed thousands of Democratic votes in Ohio's largest county, likely guaranteeing himself a win in November.

A leader in GOP-dominated Ohio Legislature for eight years before getting elected secretary of state, Husted's office is responsible for all election-related regulation. He is level-headed, thoughtful and articulate and has the ability to detail the reasonings for his positions in a powerful and persuasive way.

But not on this issue.

He was the water boy for the national GOP in 2012, working for Mitt Romney's campaign in a fervent effort to suppress Ohio's vote in Romney's favor. If it had worked, Husted probably would be in Romeny's cabinet if other efforts in other states to tilt the vote had worked.

Republicans have pushed voter suppression efforts for far too long, and it needs to stop.

They would be better served honing the appeal and focus on their ideas to craft legislation that can move the state forward. Republican lawmakers have success and a better appeal to voters when they choose that path.

Comments

donutshopguy

We should cherish our right to vote. We should be fervent in our attempt to offer every opportunity for citizens to vote. But, we must have the same zest in making sure those votes are real, true and counted correctly.

Cross

Indeed. We have reports of districts with more votes than residents. We have districts with 100% of votes going to one candidate, a general statistical impossibility.

We have plenty of examples of duplicate voting. Voting really needs to be standardized with a broad enough window for everyone to vote, and everyone voting should be required to show a VALID ID. There are plenty of issues out there that can be solved with an updated fair computer system and also requiring said ID.

The only argument against it that there might not be a problem, so why do we need an ID? It's a red herring attempt to promote unfair elections with no valid reason. It's the most bizarre terrible logic and it's sole purpose is to enable a win at any costs mentality which is really sad. You can't get madical care, a bottle of wine, or basic services without an ID. I think it's safe to say our most cherished tradition deserves to be fair and requires Voter ID.

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coasterfan

Voter suppression was a huge, huge problem in more than a dozen Republican- controlled states in 2012. State courts overturned most of their attempts, including in Ohio. As the above article, and many others like it, have reported, it's easily observable and their motivation is obvious: they want to keep a certain portion of the electorate - who typically vote Democrat - from voting entirely, or at least to make it much more difficult for them to vote.

Along with gerrymandering, it's a last-ditch effort by a shrinking conservative population to garner enough votes to remain a viable party. Their antiquated views on social issues are causing American youth to turn away from the Republican Party and they refuse to evolve their policies to reflect the new American demographics. So, enacting new rules to tilt the election their way is their only viable option.

In short, if you can't win fair and square, and can't attract new voters to your platform, you have to cheat in order to win.

KnuckleDragger

That's funny because the research shows most democrat controlled states have more stringent voting requirements than Ohio. Go peddle your BS somewhere else.

In short, if you can't get every last dead person, or institutionalized person to the polls it is considered voter suppression. If the Dems socialist agenda was winning over the American public like you say coaster then the Democrat party wouldn't need year round voting to try to dig up anyone they can coerce into voting democrat.

exsanduskian

REQUIRE PHOTO ID IN ALL STATES SO THAT AN ELECCTION IS FAIR AND SQUARE, PERIOD!!!!

Darwin's choice

Really?

How about voter ID?, since you're so worried about the election process?

coasterfan

That is a Republican-invented solution to a problem that doesn't exist, and we all know it. There were less than a dozen verified cases of voter fraud in the 2012 election. Contrast that with the tens of thousands of voters who were disenfranchised by Republicans.

You guys were losing elections not because of voter fraud, but because you nominate weak candidates and have platforms that a majority of Americans reject.

I recently read a book on the 2012 election that stated that a large reason Obama won re-election was due to the fact that millions of Democrats who hadn't planned to vote, came out at the last minute, when they heard of the voter suppression efforts Republicans were implementing.

Americans don't like it when either party tries to cheat the system. And so your party got trounced. And they're apparently slow learners, as they're up to it again. I'm glad that this article shines the spotlight on the issue.

KnuckleDragger

Re: "have platforms that a majority of Americans reject."

The majority of Americans reject Obamacare but I don't see you advocating for its repeal. Talking out of both sides of your mouth as usual. I can't wait to watch you stroke out when them dems lose control of the senate and the repubs maintain control of the house. Don't worry, I'll make sure I am on squad duty on that day so I can get you to ER pronto.

The Big Dog's back

Obama ran on Obamacare and trounced romney.

Cross

Fair elections should be a priority to all Americans. You need an ID to do ANYTHING nowadays, and they are easy to obtain. The DNC does not want them simply because they do not want fair and free elections.

There is no voter suppression in Ohio. That's just silly. Now, if we could just have things standardized and Voter ID required we might actually have elections more valid than banana republics.

KnuckleDragger

Now, now there ya go with that ID thing. You know that would keep democrats and the poor from voting. Its funny how the people that the dems say this would keep from voting manage to be able to present and ID to obtain government assistance, buy booze and cigarettes, drive a car,and a multitude of other things that require a photo ID, but for some reason that ID won't be available when it comes time to vote. The expense thing doesn't wash either since most states provide free or low cost state IDs to the poor, all they have to do is get off their behind and go get one.

The Big Dog's back

What's silly is you saying we don't have voter suppression in Ohio.

BDupler

How can you call this voter suppression? Why do we need a month long window to vote? If cutting a few hours off of a number of DAYS to vote guarantees you a win, then the people voting against you are not really that concerned. If they really wanted to vote, and really cared, it would not matter what hours the polls were open. Especially when you stop and think about that fact that you can early vote for weeks! Something this "Viewpoint" fails to mention.

On a somewhat related issue, you also should be required to show a photo ID to vote. Some people that support fraud in elections will call this a "poll tax" or "suppression" but it is not the case.

coasterfan

To that weak argument, I would reply: Why shouldn't we allow early voting? As the first post above stated, we should do everything/anything we can to make it easier for people to vote.

Until Republicans can demonstrate that voter fraud is a real issue (and they can't, because no evidence/statistics exist that show it's more than an extremely rare occurrence), they cannot use it as a reason to require voter ID.

BDupler

See the problem is that evidence states that it does exist. Take this as just one of the many instances that it does exist: http://www.wlwt.com/news/local-n...

I would also ask you to take a look at what happened in Virginia in 2012 as well.

KnuckleDragger

You have to understand it takes a lot of effort to coerce people into buying the BS the dem party peddles. That's why they need year round voting. It is extremely difficult to brainwash a freedom loving American to sign up for socialism.

holysee

Repuglican, republicon, repuublichrist, etc. Proven to be fraudulent in and of itself. Repubanything=fraud.

KnuckleDragger

You can go back to sitting on Obama's pole now.

Peninsula Pundit

What a thoughtful, reasoned response.

KnuckleDragger

That is about as thoughtful and reasoned as you will get for a comment as ignorant as the one by holyblind.

santown419

+1

coasterfan

The only thing more silly than their attempts at voter suppression are the silly excuses they use to try to justify it. Husted, as usual, is talking out of both sides of his mouth, calling for equal/unlimited access to voting, while doing things that blatantly prevent that.

The courts overturned his efforts in 2012, calling them unconstitutional. Odd how we don't hear any uproar from our Republican friends on that one, eh? Usually, attacks on anything constitutional sends them into a frothing rage...

BabyMomma

Why would the Republicans have a problem with extended hours and Sunday voting? That gives good old fashioned working people a chance to vote after working during voting hours. Obamas supporters don't work so they can go whenever...........Maybe they think that the lazy welfare recipients won't wake up before 5 p.m to vote. They may be onto something there I guess.

KnuckleDragger

That's true, it's the same reason that when my payday comes near the first of the month I make sure I do my grocery shopping early in the morning, because the freeloaders won't be out of bed clearing off the shelves at 7 am.

Peninsula Pundit

So, after all, you agree that extended voting hours are a GOOD thing.

BabyMomma

I'm fine with it, just show your ID when you get there.

KnuckleDragger

Yes, within reason. They should be extended a bit to accomodate those who work. The amount of days allowed for early voting, not so much. With all the methods available vote, in person, absentee, etc. There is no need to have a month of early voting. The excuse that by not allowing it we disenfranchise voters that are likely to vote democrats is hogwash. There is no reason a person can't find a way to vote within that time period. They can mail in an absentee ballot from comfort of their own couch if they want to for crying out loud. The only reason for needing that much time is if there is something fishy going on, like trying to get alzheimer's patients in a nursing home to vote democrat.

deertracker

So anyone and everyone on foodstamps are freeloaders? Payday near the first? Do you mean the 3rd when you get your check? Hypocrite!

BabyMomma

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KnuckleDragger

Only a Democrat would consider 29 days before an election to vote is voter suppression. LOL. On the other hand, maybe it is since todays crop of socialists...uh, I mean democrats are too dumb to figure out how to vote on election day. Ever notice how the vast majority of problems when it comes to voting come from democrat voters? You can't fix stupid.

Bottom Line

Your first sentence says it all really.

rbenn

You need ID for Library cards, buying beer, buying cigarettes, going to an R rated movie, to drive, open a bank account,to get government benefits, ect, so why aren't these things considered suppression?

Contango

Re: "If Husted's order sticks, he will have successfully suppressed thousands of Democratic votes in Ohio's largest county, likely guaranteeing himself a win in November."

"If"? "Likely"? "Guaranteeing"?

Too many suppositions and therefore a non sequitur.

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The Hero Zone

I have the same issues with the article, Contango. We must keep in mind that it is an opinion piece, though.

It's not just with published pieces like this that you'll find presumptive reasoning. Look at most any "reason" given by someone in (predominantly) Federal authority. I've gone through those reports too and just tally up the ifs, maybes, "over ten years" (presuming nothing else in that decade changes), etc. Don't even get me started on the anecdotal stories/human backdrops that are used too.

Furthermore, why is this ONLY suppressing Democratic votes? Unless there is some party conspiracy where everyone planned to vote on Sunday of one of those five days, not tell anyone, then get offended that that secret day was cut I don't understand the exclusivity of this phrasing.

I vote too, can't I also be suppressed?

In my own opinion against this article's, that kind of approach that hurts the overall message of "unfairness" because it immediately casts bias or polarization into the report. So now if I get asked, "What was in the news?" I can reply with "It seems only Democrats are hurt by standardized voting rules throughout Ohio that include Sundays when most every other governmental agency is closed."

While it sounds odd to repeat, am I incorrect?

jacksonbrowne

baaahhhhaaaa...sniff, sniff, waaahhhhhhh boohoo.

THOSE THAT REALLY WANT TO VOTE WILL FIND A WAY!!!!!!

Peninsula Pundit

Unless you're working 16 hour shifts and your employer won't let you go vote.

KnuckleDragger

Wrong! Last I checked absentee balloting is and has been available for those situations. I work 24 hr shifts in public safety. If I am scheduled to work on a voting day I fill out an absentee ballot.

samiam

I have to have a photo ID to recycle aluminum cans. One is required for other things that aren't as important as voting. One argument is it's hard for some people to get a photo ID. Set up a spot to get one at Walmart! Doesn't everyone go to Walmart? The privilege to vote is one of the most important privileges we have. The responsibility to vote legally should be also.

Contango

Re: "I have to have a photo ID to recycle aluminum cans."

Therefore, there's a greater necessity that society properly identifies those who collect aluminum cans as opposed to those who vote.

Babo

Why not provide the Voter Identification Card upon registering to vote in a given precinct?

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2cents

I never quite understood why the Dems say the Repubs are trying to create voter suppression. There are hours to vote and being a very busy person I somehow find the time to get to the polls within those hours. The hours are the same for everyone so where is there suppression? The only suppression that I know of and is real, is the New Black Panthers standing outside the polls intimidating voters to vote their way!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...

BabyMomma

Are you a stripper? Or did you mean polls?

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2cents

Fine! Line 16 : )

BabyMomma

Lol

exsanduskian

I agree 2cents. This Register Viewpoint shows just how Liberal this paper is. Where I am living the managing editor of newspaper is a true Patriot and major supporter of the Second Amendment. For those uninformed people the Second Amendment gives us the right to own and bear arms.

Matt Westerhold

The managing editor at your paper must be a "good American" then. No offense, exsanduskian, but your comment is ignorant and offensive. 

exsanduskian

Matt if the shoe fits wear it!

Matt Westerhold

Yes, exsanduskian, you're wearing the shoe questioning the patriotism of a group of people you don't even know. "I have in my hand a list of people with known ties to the Communist Party." I hope one day I can be as good of an American as you. Really. 

Contango

Re: "I have in my hand a list of people with known ties to the Communist Party."

KGB files confirmed that Sen McCarthy was correct. There were spies in the State Dept. and elsewhere.

Today, the Fabian Socialists that are firmly entrenched in our state, local and federal govts. euphemistically refer to themselves as: progressives.

Matt Westerhold

Yes, Contango, Sen. McCarthy was correct. That's why he was later elected president. 

Contango

Re: "That's why he was later elected president."

a non sequitur.

More like Cassandra.

Matt Westerhold

You're probably right, Contango, Sen. McCarthy was one of the "good Americans" exsanduskian likes so much. He rooted out communism and didn't hurt any innocent people in the process. 

Contango

Re: "He rooted out communism,"

You continue to conflate the point.

And after the fall of the Soviet Union, opened KGB files didn’t confirmed that Julius Rosenberg was a spy?

And if a crazy person tells you that your house is on fire, you'll simply dismiss the source and go back to watching the ball game?

Peninsula Pundit

OY!
The pot calling the kettle black, 'tango.

Contango

Re: "The pot calling,"

Which means what?

Peninsula Pundit

You should consider changing your handle to 'Non Sequitur.'

Peninsula Pundit

or perhaps 'Euphemistic'
Sounds sorta Greek.

BabyMomma

I have to agree. You guys do a good job of posting articles both for and against the powers that be. I got a little upset by how much you promoted Obama when he was in town, but he IS kind of the president. Kind of.

Matt Westerhold

The Register also invited Mitt Romney to visit Sandusky. 

BabyMomma

He probably saw our poverty rate and knew Obama had it on lock.

deertracker

Romney is definitely not the President.

Contango

@ Mr. Westerhold:

Re: "No offense,"

That’s you using a euphemism, correct?

Elwood

Voting can't be any easier than using an absentee ballot.
They mail it to you, you fill it out, and then you return it in person or by mail.
How much easier can it be? I would think even a democrat could do this.

KnuckleDragger

Apparently not since they continue to whine that a month isn't enough time for them to do it. Or maybe it does take them that long to vote...especially if the union forgot to male them their idiot card (union approved candidate list):)

The New World Czar

"This Viewpoint reflects the majority opinion of the Register editorial board."

Enough said...

Contango

Excellent point.

If there was a minority viewpoint will it be published?

Or is this: Tyranny of the Majority?

Matt Westerhold

I think your view is the minority view, Contango, and yes, it's being published. See above. 

Contango

Re: "I think (snip)"

More conflation.

Point: So the SR editorial board agreed in lock step with this viewpoint?

Matt Westerhold

It's a majority opinion, but none of the editorial board members expressed any disagreemnt with this view. 

Contango

Re: "none of the editorial board members expressed any disagreemnt (sic)"

IOW: Lockstep.

exsanduskian

Matt. are you and your Liberal staff still backing Obama on his health care reform and foreign policy? I'd like to know why Obama with Hillary's approval didn't appoint Chelsea as ambassador to Libya. How about reporting on the cover up and lies about Bengasi?

deertracker

Change your screen name. You are embarrassing the city of Sandusky!

Peninsula Pundit

You really should get the 'thumbs up/thumbs down' thing going on this site, Matt. That was a good one.

exsanduskian

I agree with you.

deertracker

LOL@ Matt!!!! Give it a rest pooh.

rbenn

Seems like matt has his panties in a wad lol

BabyMomma

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Off-topic comments.

BabyMomma

Really? Really?? Wow, freedom of speech is non existent.

rbenn

I thought your comment was on topic, guess he has a thing against thongs lol

deertracker

That settles it then! rbenn has spoken!

Contango

And yet Peninsula Pundit can go against the guidelines and his comments remain?

Double standard?

Matt Westerhold

No, I'm feeling good, rbenn, buth thanks for your concern. Just surprised there are still supporters of Sen. Joe McCarthy. 

Contango

Re: "still supporters of Sen. Joe McCarthy."

Maybe the progressives can re-educate 'em in the gulags?

Peninsula Pundit

Non Sensitur.

Contango

Re: "Non Sensitur"

lol

Which means what?

The Big Dog's back

Pooh was a member of joe McCarthy's fan club. According to pooh, everyone who disagrees with him is a socialist, communist, Soviet pig.

Little Giant

The modern right considers the John Birch Society a bunch of liberals.

Peninsula Pundit

+1

The Big Dog's back

Yes they do.

PapaJoe

I really am amazed at this editorial. Regardless of party, how anyone can state that four weeks of early voting is not enough is crazy! The voter has to make time to vote. We are all busy but if you want to vote make the time to vote. Last time I checked there was no line keeping Democrats from voting

Contango

Re: "Democrats,"

The crazy b*stards wanted a "re-do" in FL in '00!

(If VP Gore woulda won his home state of TN, the results in FL would have been inconsequential.)

Just keep piling on the progressive-socialist entitlement programs.

Eventually, NO ONE will vote against his or her own self-interests and then this country can have TRUE one party rule.

holysee

backwardation. Says it all.

holysee

I just read the book "Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot and Other Observations" and it helped me gain keen insight into the diseased minds of republicants. The deck is stacked and very well funded. The repugs should be limited to election day voting while dems should have all year to vote. Fact, not opinion.

Contango

Re: "very well funded."

lol

Yea, very few special interest groups give to Democrats.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs...

OMG.LOL.WT_

"Romeny's cabinent" Both misspelled.

Matt Westerhold

Thanks OMG. Those typos have been fixed. Good catch. We also corrected the spelling of Secretary Husted's first name. 

holysee

Give the repugs a break. Voter supression and gerrymandering is all they have to win elections. Otherwise the numbers (and logic/common sense) do not support repuglican representation in most populated areas.

OSUBuckeye59

Always amazing to see our two major party's slugging it out over this issue when a simple, effective solution has been in place in both Oregon (1998) and Washington (2005): 100% vote by mail.

As noted here, http://www.oregonlive.com/opinio..., the results of Oregon's 100% vote by mail have been, "Consistently high -- often, the nation's highest -- turnout rates for registered voters. Because of Oregon's careful signature verification process, fraud and other electoral mischief are virtually nil."

As noted here, http://www.governing.com/columns..., 3 years ago the Montana legislature voted against joining OR & WA in 100% vote by mail. Guess the "promise of saving $2 million each election cycle by eliminating polling places and poll workers -- while also enhancing voter protection and participation" wasn't enough incentive.

Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees...

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The Hero Zone

Once again, a supportive thank you!

grumpy

This would work but also voting online with a good ID system, like when voting proxies for stock issues, would make the most sense. I would prefer online rather than mail, but that is just me.

JMOP

Why call it "Voter Suppression", instead of "Voter Readiness"?

I agree with the majority on here. Bring a photo id with the time allotted to vote. No big deal.

I'm tired of certain groups being catered to, and by catering, I mean making excuses for their laziness, and procrastination. Talk about special privileged.

Little Giant

If it is not voter suppression and is such a great idea..... why not apply the same rules 1) registration and 2) Photo Id for gun ownership?

Contango

Re: "1) registration and 2) Photo Id for gun ownership?"

Some states do, e.g. IL's FOID card.

Little Giant

If it is good enough for Illinois..... why not in Ohio?

Contango

Re: "Illinois....."

If that makes sense to you, then feel free to move to that Democrat Party heavy, oppressive, bankrupt state.

OSUBuckeye59

And why not 100% vote by mail? Why keep trying to fix a broken, contentious system when a better, cheaper system is available?

JMOP

Not me. I wanna fill in the circles, and place the ballot in the electronic box. I want to make sure my vote is counted.

OSUBuckeye59

I'm guessing perhaps you didn't see an earlier posting of mine where I wrote: "As noted here, http://www.oregonlive.com/opinio..., the results of Oregon's 100% vote by mail have been, "Consistently high -- often, the nation's highest -- turnout rates for registered voters. Because of Oregon's careful signature verification process, fraud and other electoral mischief are virtually nil.""

Folks can either have their postal carrier pick up their ballot from their home's mailbox, drop off the ballot at the Post Office/postal box, or drop off their ballot at official ballot boxes.

No system is fraud-proof. Your vote via an electronic ballot box can be subject to fraud just as easily as any other system. The data from Oregon's system clearly shows not only does vote-by-mail work, but it works very well.

JMOP

No system is fraud proof, but with less handlers it's more difficult to commit.

OSUBuckeye59

We agree: no system is fraud proof.

The #1 goal is to do everything possible to enable legal citizens to vote. Everything else should be in support of that goal, as in the voting process itself should help insure the risk of voter fraud is in the lower single digits. 1% sounds reasonable to me. Perhaps that's too low. But hopefully you understand my point.

Since both Democrats and the GOP keep fighting over the same argument, I still propose they need to seriously consider what Oregon has so successfully used since 1998, where every legal citizen gets a voter pamphlet in the mail well in advance of any election followed shortly thereafter by their voting ballot. Per an Oregon Voting website, "Registered voters receive a ballot two to three weeks before an election, giving them ample time to research issues or candidates. Voters also receive a security envelope in which to return their completed ballot.The envelope can be stamped and mailed or simply dropped off at any official drop box​ across the state. If a voter casts their ballot after the Friday before an election, the ballot should be left at a drop box site to ensure it's counted. Ballots must be received by 8 p.m. on Election Day.​​"

What could be better than sitting down in the comfort of one's home, filling out the ballot, then dropping it in a local state-provided ballot drop box?

A survey conducted in 2003 by Dr. Priscilla Southwell, a professor of Political Science at the University of Oregon, showed 81% of respondents favored the vote-by-mail system while 19% favored voting at the polls. The poll also showed high favorability among both registered Democrats (85%) and Republicans (76%). 30% of respondents said they voted more often since vote-by-mail had been enacted.

Contango

Voting by internet?

I vote my stock shares by proxy on the web - works for me.

Just don't let the Democrats pick the website building contractor, i.e. Obam☭are. :)

OSUBuckeye59

Amazing that both our State and Federal election officials can't seem to embrace technology, eh? And if they wanted to make the leap into the current century, their best bet would be to outsource the contract to a technology development company like maybe SAP or Cisco, to name two.

Little Giant

Clearly the intent of the Republicans is not to fix a problem but to suppress the vote.

Contango

Counter argument:

Clearly the intent of the Democrats is not to fix a problem, but to garner as many illegal votes as possible in order to help further the election of their socialist candidates and socialistic programs.

Little Giant

Do you have proof that there is a lot of voter fraud in Ohio or did Faux tell you to think that?

KnuckleDragger

How to tell when a socialist loses an argument^^

...bring up fox news.

The Big Dog's back

How to tell when a right wingnut loses an argument.
They used Fox news as a reference.

Contango

Re: "They used Fox news as a reference."

Did you learn to say that from Bill Maher, derpy? :)

Contango

Re: "voter fraud in Ohio,"

Murphy's Law: If it can happen it will happen.

Wizard of Oz: "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

Lastly: Socialists prefer their populace ignorant – Congratulations, you passed the test.

exsanduskian

Got to agree with you contango. The Left Wing Liberals are drinking too much of Obama's Cool Ade.

Little Giant

Contango you are beyond ignorant because if you were even half as smart as you claim you are you would be aware that in the recent election in Texas that there was even a candidate that did not have the proper id to vote. So let me get your argument straight you claim that "if it can happen it will happen" except no legal voters will not be denied to vote? Now that is pretty stupid!

Little Giant

Iowa recently did an extensive investigation of voter fraud. They found 5 cases out of millions of votes. None of which would have been caught with voter id laws. Just more proof about what this is all about.

pntbutterandjelly

Little Giant; "Yup!"

KURTje

Pooh get your own paper. Call it know- it- all. kia. We really laughed at you today!

The New World Czar

For the record, per Erie County Board of Elections:
Tim Parkison, publisher Party: DEM Prec : 0001/1
Matt Westerhold, managing editor Party: DEM Prec : 0022/1
Mike Schaffer, chief design editor Party: REP Prec : 0041/1
Mark Yocum, advertising director Not listed
Kathy Lilje, features editor Party: DEM Prec : 0011/1
Latasha Webb, home delivery manager Party: --- Prec : 0014/1

For the sake of credibility, how about a disclaimer next time the Register editorial board "reflects" its "MAJORITY" opinion???

Matt Westerhold

Thanks for the listing The New World Czar. One has to choose a Party doesn't one if they want to vote in a primary in a county that elects many more Democrats than Republicans. You've successfully accessed public records to determine the editorial board has done that and identified us as three Democrats; one Republican and one independent. There's no disclaimer necessary as to who we vote for in the General Election since this is a private matter. That's the American way, isn't it? That's kind of how it works. I notice you didn't offer a disclaimer identifying your Party with your own editorial comment. Sort of a "do as I say not as I do" attitude there? What's next? Are you going to ask us to "show (you) our papers!" It might be better if you could articulate your objections to the points made in this editorial rather than making "Czar"-like demands that people identify themselves with a Party in order to express an opinion. Seems a bit of an anti-American approach there, but maybe that's just me.

The New World Czar

Disclaimer- I am a registered Republican...another posted fact.

Anti-American? Resort to name-calling when you don't have anything else to debate on.

Finally, one more fact..."Independent", not "independant".

Matt Westerhold

Thanks Czar. I fixed the typo. I think if you re-read the comment you will see there was no name-calling. It states your suggestion seemed anti-American to me. I'm entitled to an opinion. I guess you're entitled to mistate it, but that doesn't seem right. And again, you avoid addressing the content and prefer instead to simply attack the messenger. Now, show me your papers!

The New World Czar

I'm getting mixed up by your responses...
a. What's next? Are you going to ask us to "show (you) our papers!"
b. Now, show me your papers!

Seriously, is it the mission of the SR editorial staff to represent its views to the community and readers or is it the goal to give some of us reason to shake our heads in disbelief...or some of both? Either way, being able to debate in a civil way is what makes this country great, correct?

Finally, odds are you'll ask sooner than later, but I've been watching Hannity on FNC for the last hour.

Matt Westerhold

Read your own comments carefully Czar, and I think you might find your answers. And again, you fail to address the content and seek to discredit the writers and the opinion expressed rather than debate the information. Go ahead, shake your head. 

The New World Czar

In this case I can't help but shake my head.

In one paragraph you refer to him as "level-headed, thoughtful, and articulate" and then later refer to him as "the water boy for the national GOP in 2012".

Yes, Matt- when you set out discredit someone like this for setting a reasonable statewide standard, then you set yourself up for discredit and ridicule...especially when the majority of those on your editorial board have a "D" behind their name.

Contango

Re: "there was no name-calling."

Perhaps not; but your use of pejoratives and insulting language certainly reflect your journalistic standards.

Kinda strange; I hit the abuse link on those posts where the bloggers DID name-call others and they remain.

A case of double standard or plain ol' hypocrisy?

Dr. Information

The SR and its editors are nothing but sheep to a very hypocritical newspaper. They don't moderate their site one iota, let people cuss, name call and make personal threats and have a 9 to 1 ratio of liberal supporting articles vs conservative.

Their constant Rolodex of gay, race baiting, anti anything republican/conservative, loving Obama and Dem articles says a lot about this paper and how well they fall into the category of just another liberal media outlet.

The Norwalk paper moderates its forum, hence the reason you do not see a lot of the posters that post on here, posting on Norwalks forum. They have either been booted, banned or are just tired of being moderated because they post like 2 year olds in a verbal spat.

The Big Dog's back

How to know when a right wingnut lost an argument? When your facts shoot down their paper lion and then they accuse you of name calling.

gilamonster

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Personal attacks (including: name calling, presumption of guilt or guilt by association, insensitivity, or picking fights).

ohioengineer

A nation must have faith in the honesty of its institutions in order to survive. We have already lost faith in the IRS, the EPA and the Justice Dept., which seem more concerned with pushing an agenda than the rights of the individual. (I find it ironic that the same person who gets livid over so-called voter suppression is silent when the highest law enforcement officer in the country says he can pick and choose which laws to enforce.) If we lose our faith in the election process we will have anarchy - think South American Banana Republic elections. When I go to the polls I want to know that my vote will not cancelled out by fraud. That doesn't seem to be too much to ask from a nation founded on the principle of one person/one vote.

pntbutterandjelly

ohioengineer; "That doesn't seem to be to be too much to ask from a nation founded on the principle of one person/one vote." I agree. Where do you stand on "Citizens United"? (This is a serious question looking for a politically unbiased reply.) Thanks. PB&J

Contango

Re: "'Citizens United'"

As long as the progressive-socialists are busy shaking down businesses, it makes sense to me.

Anyway, SCOTUS has ruled in favor of it - deal with it.

Dr. Information

Why can't they just settle it out and make a statewide rule. Polls open early 4-5 days before the election day. Thats plenty of time to vote early.

jmgthatsme

hmmm...sounds like this "Register editorial board" lean...just a little..."left". Not sure why we need to establish days and days and days to vote...and waste tax payer dollars. Absentee ballot is easy to do. Heck, back in the day of horse and buggies...they on got one day to vote. Not sure what makes it sooo much harder to vote now. This article took up a minute of my life that I will never get back!

pntbutterandjelly

I don't have an issue with verifiable voter identification based upon its principle. Maybe even make it a federal standard rather than "state by state" modification. However...it was the guise of a "massive voter fraud" theme that was used that sets a bad tone. Now too it has escalated into fewer days to vote, etc. etc. Combined altogether...it definitely has a voter suppression ring to it of which....it is. Maybe we should be discussing "Citizens United". Now THERE is fraud at a truly MASSIVE scale.

Contango

Re: "Maybe even make it a federal standard rather than 'state by state' modification."

Not in the Constitution and therefore a 10th Amend. issue.

KURTje

Still complaining eh Dave?

grumpy

In what way does absentee voting not cover all the reasons for extended voting hours and days? If you have trouble making it to vote on election day, simply get an absentee ballot and vote. Problem solved, with the mechinism already in use and widely accepted. Why spend more to keep polling places open and staffed, for days and night on end. Vote absentee and be done with it if you aren't sure you can get to the polls when they are open, QED. It ain't rocket science.

pntbutterandjelly

It's rather "odd" that now, all of a sudden, we need to change the voting rules based upon massive voter fraud.

grumpy

Yes it is hard to believe that times change and things need to evolve as time goes by. Hard to understand that things don't stay the same year after year decade after decade. I have to saddle up the horse and go get some more whale oil for the lamps before we run out.

pntbutterandjelly

Hey Grump, Did you ever hear the phrase, "If it ain't broke...don't fix it?" So...grab your pony and ride fast before the whales are extinct. Oh wait! The Republicans don't back environmental concerns. That WOULD be too progressive (times change and things evolve)
("Hard to understand that people stay the same year after year decade after decade."), (grumpy is evidence of that.)
Is that REALLY the best you can do grumpy? I feel sorry for you.

Contango

Re: "'If it ain't broke...don't fix it?'"

What about preventive maintenance?

Murphy's Law: If it can happen, it will happen.

The 'bought and paid for' 1960 pres. election wasn't that long ago.

Move to web-based voting and then maybe both the Dumb and Dumber parties can be happy.

pntbutterandjelly

grumpy, Reread my post. It was about the supposed "massive voter fraud". You either missed that part or....ignored it as you didn't have an intelligent retort. (retort; "reply", "answer", "argument")

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