Repeal 'stand your ground'

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Jul 21, 2013

 

The “stand your ground” laws in Florida — the same template used for almost identical laws in Ohio and other states — resulted in the not guilty verdicts that many see as unjust in the trial of George Zimmerman. 

At its most basic level, Zimmerman armed himself and ignored police when he killed Trayvon Martin, who was walking home unarmed after buying a bag of Skittles and a soft drink at a neighborhood store. That’s what happened. Florida law — and Ohio law — make it legal to kill, but not right. 

These laws provide vague and codified terms to the intensely complicated act of killing and render almost any outcome in such cases — and potentially in less similar cases — the same as the verdicts that found Zimmerman not guilty on both manslaughter and murder charges July 13.

Ohio and 24 other states have “stand your ground” laws modeled after the same legislation Florida lawmakers used to enact its state law that provides a path to justifiable homicide with the weakest of circumstances. Trayvon was a teenager, who was walking home to his father’s house when he was killed. 

At its most intense center, these laws are derived from good, if fearful, intention, wrapped into the always difficult American system of courtroom justice. The national GOP successfully pushed the legislation inside state capitals across the country, but the outcome is not what these lawmakers likely intended. 

“Stand your ground” laws are emotionally opportunistic, destructive, and create situations to kill and glory in the killing. 

The president of the Sandusky chapter of the NAACP offered readers his reaction after Zimmerman verdicts were announced. 

“Try to imagine the situation reversed, if a black man shot a white teenager on his way home in his neighborhood,” Jim Jackson said. “There would be outrage among everyone. What it comes down to is the question: ‘Is racism dead in America?’ Obviously it’s not.”  

We’re hard-pressed to see any plausible argument to refute what Jackson, and others, have said. We hope the Sandusky branch of NAACP, other Ohio chapters, the national NAACP, the ACLU, residents and legislators unite for repeal, to remove these laws.

Comments

The Brownie Elf

What would anyone suggest in lieu of "stand your ground."

deertracker

Stand your ground is really redundant. Self defense laws are already on the books! They work just fine!

LookingDown

Stand your ground is the same as the Castle Law.... as you house is your castle......but your not suppose to leave your house or car so I don't understand how he was in harm in anyway shape or form..... I think the dude was sick of crap in his town and wanted to kill someone being that he had a ccw and was a wanta be cop. Sad but true and after what that juror said that is just crazy. No such think as no double jeopardy ...... he will get hung up on some federal charges! Wait you'll see!

Minuteman

Stand Your Ground laws didn't apply here, and still don't. The lawmakers will go through the motions yet leave the law unchanged, just to appease the misdirected masses. The marchers and demonstrators believe Stand Your Ground laws are designed to discriminate. They won't change their minds or listen to reason.

Yellow Snow

Zimmerman didn't use SYG for defense. You might want to google "black or white stand your ground percentage"
There's a lot of results, the statistics might surprise you. Then get back to me about self defense.

The Big Dog's back

SYG was used by the jury to make their decision.

LookingDown

uuummmm Zimmerman isn't "white" FYI But I love it how a brown man can kill a black kid and a white person gets blamed!!!! I got nothing

Darwin's choice

Really Register? You've sunk to a new low with the 12 year old photo of the thug! Show the recent photo's of martin, then ask about repealing SYG. Sensationalism sells.....

deertracker

What exactly made him a thug? If he was a thug so are YOU!

Darwin's choice

When you assualt someone, you can be branded a thug! Don't get it, or blinded by the race?

deertracker

BRANDED! Interesting choice of words. What are you "branded" when you chase down and KILL an unarmed kid?

JudgeMeNot

Someone who used the law of stand-your-ground. SYG is a type of self-defense law that gives individuals the right to use reasonable force to defend themselves.

What part do you not get?

herbie_hancock

Way to omit the whole beating phase of the case haha.

Subtle

Zimmerman didn't chase anyone down, he was curled up in a ball getting stomped and beat by Martin who was intent on killing him. Had Zimmerman not shot Martin, Zimmerman would be dead... and I guarantee there would be no public outcry.

LookingDown

14 year old on pot = thug in my book sorry

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2cents

Kids grow up and can change a lot from one high school year to the next.

deertracker

Your point? I'm sure it is worth at least 2 cents!

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Professor Playdoh

It was a self defense case not stand your ground. But go ahead and spin it the way you want.

The Big Dog's back

SYG was used by the jury to make their decision.

Informer

Culture Of Violence: The attorney general worries about protecting his 15-year-old son from supposed white racists like George Zimmerman. But his own office warns that the No. 1 threat to black teens is black teens.
In a speech Tuesday before the NAACP, Eric Holder confided that after Zimmerman fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last year, "I had to protect my boy ... make him aware of the world he must still confront."
"We must stand OUR ground," he stressed to the all-black audience gathered in Orlando for the civil-rights group's annual convention.
But less than two years ago, the Justice Department conducted a comprehensive study that found the real concern for African-American parents like Holder isn't the George Zimmermans of the world. It's increasingly violent black youths like Martin, who broke Zimmerman's nose and repeatedly bashed his head on the pavement before being shot through the heart.
The November 2011 study concluded that "young black males were disproportionately involved in homicide compared with their proportion of the population."
This is understating it. The precise data show that even though black men between the ages of 14 and 24 make up only 1% of the U.S. population, they represent 27% of all the nation's murderers. This bears repeating: 1% of Americans are committing over a quarter of the murders.
Equally alarming, the administration study also found that blacks of any age are eight times more likely to murder than whites.
While blacks make up just 13% of the population, they're responsible for more than half — 53% — of the country's murders. By comparison, "whites" (Justice includes Hispanics in its "white" category) account for 83% of the population but less than half — 45% — of homicides.
The 36-page study, which analyzed race-based crime data spanning three decades, found that whites were twice as likely to be murdered by blacks than the other way around, such as in the recent case of 17-year-old De'Marquis Elkins shooting a white baby dead in his stroller while robbing his horrified mother on a Georgia street.
And many white-on-black homicides were "justifiable" along the lines of the Zimmerman case, where an assaulted victim responded with lethal force.
But the most striking trend is black-on-black murders. Justice found that 93% of black homicide victims are killed by fellow blacks. This self-imposed genocide can be seen in cities like Chicago, where gang murders are at a record high. In a tragic irony, another four black children were gunned down in Chicago during the Zimmerman trial.

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deertracker

You missed the entire point of the speech! Sad!!!!

eriemom

He only shows up when he gets to spew this stuff. I think I saw this same post on different articles, but always involving African-Americans.

Turduckenbreath

Regardless of Martin/Zimmerman, StandYourGround statutes encourage shooting people. What ever happened to the idea of non-lethal (in the leg, etc.) self-defensive shooting?

Restless1

Turd---: You obviously know nothing about a self defense struggle. You're not picking a small aim point on a stationary target but at the center of mass and hoping you hit it.

The Big Dog's back

Trayvon shot in the heart and it was a lucky shot? Bullspit.

mikeylikesit

well.. if you have to use a gun to defend yourself, judicious marksmanship is appreciated.

Simple Enough II

When you are down getting your head hit and pounded into the ground, you are not trying to shoot some one in the leg when you pull and fire, you are trying to stop the threat......

Simple Enough II

Oh, shoot someone in the leg (if you can), hit the thigh, clip the femoral artery and see how non-lethal that is!

TrollingRageind...

Whatever happened to the idea of learning how to properly kick and punch and disarm weapons?

BRIARS BYWATER

Dead men don't testify in court cases. That's why you don't shoot them in the leg. But if you want lose everything you've ever worked for, and every asset you have; go ahead and shoot the legs out from under you're attacker. I prefer them to be dead! If you've ever been the victim of a violence, you'd would have been able to answer this question yourself. No one has the right to put their hands on me to cause serious injury or death. That's why we have self defense laws enacted like 'stand your ground'. You don't want to take a life to save your own, that's you're business. But don't tell me I can't! We live in a dangerous society with child molesters, wife beaters, punks/thugs, doped up burglars/thieves, home invaders, murderers, rapists, etc.... and you want to shoot them in the legs? If everyone against guns quit enabling the criminals I just described above, and started putting bullets in their brain pans; sooner or later, even the dumbest criminal is gonna think twice about their next move. If they don't, a lot of us armed civilians will be the last thought they ever have! If ohio ever repealed stand your ground, criminals and their families will file civil suit after civil suit to rob otherwise law abiding citizens for defending themselves. So it will only serve to serve criminals. I say, kill em all, and let God sort em out. Then we can put our guns away, and all sing songs, and get our coloring books out after milk and cookies.

grumpy

In the future please refrain from bringing facts, statistics, evidence and common sense into a discussion about an opinion piece written by the Sandusky Register, it is NOT appreciated. (sarcasm, if not recognized)

Thanks for doing your research on the subject Informer, and linking to it.

For the people who decided to use a 5 year old picture of Martin, Wasn't there a school picture from his first grade class available? (see previous note about use of sarcasm)

The Big Dog's back

SYG was used by the jury to make their decision.

pptrsha

@grumpy, I agree with you the SR is more of an inflammatory RAG then a NEWS paper.

Tool Box

First of all, SR, Stand Your Ground was NOT used in Mr. Zimmerman's defense! You really should do your homework before trying to stir the pot..... And not that we are talking of pot, yeah, Mr. Martin was high! One more thing, please use a current picture of Mr. Martin not a picture taken 5 years ago because according to facts in the case, Mr. Martin was about 11 inches taller than Mr. Zimmerman! SR, try to get your facts right before trying to stir the pot!

deertracker

Where's the proof he was "high"? You have really just embarrassed yourself because your facts are all Wrong! LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Tool Box

The toxicology report from the medical examiner showed he had intoxicating amounts of THC in his body. Let me guess, Mr. Zimmerman made him get high before he blew his heart out!

The Big Dog's back

He had trace amount in him. What did zim have in him? Gee, we don't know because the white police detective didn't have a drug or alcohol test done. Really? Guy just kills someone and we don't have him checked?

JudgeMeNot

He was a marijuana smoker. Thats what thugs do. Get over it pooch.

Cowboy

Why should Zimmerman be drug tested? He didn't do anything wrong! He shot a stoned thug that sucker punched him from behind! Probably saved Martin from a life of crime if you ask me! The statistics don't lie, look them up for yourself!

happyfeet64

Racist arse! It's comforting knowing you can see in the future!And as for being a stoned thug- someone follows me while I'm walking home from the store. don't think I'm not gonna be that bad a** b***h that's going to turn around and confront your a** also! Zimmerman was told to not follow Martin and he proceeded to do so. Martin was NOT displaying any criminal behavior initially. And as for Zimmerman, he had no RIGHT, except a self appointed one to confront Martin! A member of the neighborhood watch, who follows a kid from the store, confronts him and starts to get his butt whipped so he shoots him DEAD? It shouldn't have been a self defense or SYG=he murdered that boy in cold blood, I don't care how anyone tries to justify it!

The Big Dog's back

So anytime you point out injustice by race you're "stirring the pot"?

JudgeMeNot

Correct.

Cowboy

You got that right boy!

The Big Dog's back

Sounds like something an Imperial Wizard would say.

grumpy

You have had conversations with one? Or have you been listening to their speeches? Is that where you get your ability to know what one would say? Or are you reading minds yet again?

The Big Dog's back

Yes, when I was undercover.

007

Since the media continues to show his photo of 12 yrs. here is a video of him the night he was shot. Pay close attention to the height difference in regards to the clerk and the height comparison of him to the coolers. http://www.reagancoalition.com/a...

The Big Dog's back

What difference does it make what picture they use? HE'S DEAD!

JudgeMeNot

Amen.

The Big Dog's back

So you're glad a kid is dead?

Tool Box

Heck yeah! One stoned black thug off the streets is a good thing!

mikeylikesit

the Hillary amendment, "what difference does it make"?

deertracker

There is a case right now in Florida where a 16 year old boy was killed because yt thought the music was too loud. He is using the SYG as a defense. Stay tuned!

Kelly

Gee, another racist comment from you. How shocking.

deertracker

Was it the yt part you did not like? The guy in question is white. What's the fuss?

brassman

It's racist and shows so much about you. Hope the Register removes it because it clearly violates the guidelines about racism.

deertracker

Would the word "Caucasian" be okay with you? Good, you use it!

The Big Dog's back

LMAO!

herbie_hancock

yet if we use a derogatory term for a black person we'd be racist....

grumpy

Please don't expect everybody to be held to an equal standard. It isn't fair. (yet again sarcasm, for those who still don't recognize it)

beepx22

i think that the shooter in the case you're talking about will hang higher than Haman, from the evidence released he wasn't in danger, unlike zimmerman who was. apples and oranges

There you go again

Leave it to Jim Jackson from the NAACP (and Barack Obama, for that matter) to bring race into the SYG issue. Who doesn't believe in self-defense? And what does it have to do with race?!?!

deertracker

there you go again................SMDH!!!!!!!!!!

There you go again

What part of my comment are you shaking your head at? I know, the truth hurts sometimes.

YoMamma

Yet another MSNBC watcher at the SR. Zimmerman did NOT attack Martin. Martin could have just kept walking.... HE was the one who choose to inflict "social justice" on the person following him. SYG is the same as self defense. Turn the other cheek only worked in the bible!

deertracker

Faux news anyone???????????

The Big Dog's back

Trayvon should have known his "place" right yomamma?

Tool Box

He was too stoned to know his place!

Darwin's choice

Deertracker, here's a case that Obama, Sharpton, and all the other cheerleaders completely ignore.....
watch this and comment!
http://joeforamerica.com/2013/07...

deertracker

What exactly am I suppose to comment on? The fact they were breaking in cars, the fact that the neighborhood watch guy identified himself and brandished his weapon for all to see, the "he lunged at me" part or the fact there were no skittles and iced tea involved? The fact that one guy was white and the other was black is irrelevant. Criminals come in all colors and ages!

JudgeMeNot

Yes they do, This one just happened to be black. Whats your point?

J Cooper

Once again the Register either not knowing the facts or ignoring them to promote an agenda. The stand your ground law was not used in the Zimmerman defense. A recent statewide study indicated that in Florida the SYG defense was successfully used by minorities at a higher successful rate per capita that for whites.

The Big Dog's back

SYG was used by the jury to make their decision.

grumpy

What part of the statement, " The stand your ground law was not used in the Zimmerman defense." , don't you understand? The jury instructions come from the judge, not the defense. His statement was correct.

The Big Dog's back

What part of the jury used SYG to make their decision don't you understand poohball? Juror B37, look it up. derp.

goofus

And you know this how?????

The Big Dog's back

Juror B37. What else do you want to know?

huronguy

Great blacks trying to take more of our rights so we cant protect ourselves from the thugs.
We dont need the blacks ( whites are far more educated ) but blacks need us. Whites need to rally about blacks crime rate, lack of working blacks but using up section 8 ,welfare, snap, fake social security benefits ect ect. Listen up blacks the white man has had enough of you. Its time we cut you off and ship you back to africa! Go be with your own people and make your own laws and murder, rape and steal from your own. Africans are supposedly the first people! If thats true it speaks of their
Lack of intelligence, the only modern technologies in africa were brought in from the whites. Blacks contribute nothing but to entertain the white man. Music and sports besides that they offer us nothing and we are better off without them here. How about that truth blackies. Great Job George Zimmerman we need a million more like you!

deertracker

Coming from a huron guy, you even make the kkk look good!

beepx22

whites are far more educated? really? I mean, I know some really stupid white folk, and some really intelligent blacks... you have to be trolling.

Mystery_Cheese

And this is the kind of talk that makes other white people look bad. Black people aren't, and never have been, the problem. The problem is our current system of government that seeks to keep people dependent on its welfare, in order to retain control. The problem is people refusing to base their opinion on an individual's actions, and instead, blaming the entire group the individual 'belongs' with.

pptrsha

ARE YOU CRAZY????

Restless1

Like Jessy, the SR editorial board likes to stir the race pot. Let's narrow the facts down: The kid was tall, young and strong. He had drugs in his system. He had a criminal record of aggressive behavior and was bashing Zimmerman's head against the pavement. He was NOT the sweet boy shown in the published photo. Let's show his mug shot.

deertracker

You left out the facts that Z had a gun, a criminal record and was stalking he KID! I could go on if you like! I'm okay with SYG as long as I get to stand MY ground too!

brassman

Sure, go ahead and make yourself look even more racist and ignorant. It's amusing and sad at the same time.

deertracker

It may surprise you to know that although I was deeply disappointed in the verdict, one of my best friends is Hispanic. LOL!

brassman

Yes, I'm surprised you have a friend

deertracker

I've got white ones too!

Tool Box

You ain't got friends!

The Big Dog's back

tool box = white trash.

huronguy

And the naacp makes the kkk look even better.

deertracker

Who?

R U Kidding me

Unfortunately we all have to do it. not that we like to but sooner or later we all have to take out the garbage

deertracker

Sometimes the garbage hides!

brassman

and sometimes it assaults a man with a gun

brassman

and sometimes it assaults a man with a gun

Taxpayer2800

Really, I'm shocked that the majority of the Register Editorial board didn't do any homework at all. The "stand your ground" wasn't even used by the defense and had no bearing in the case. It didn't result in the verdict in any way. This "viewpoint" is the most slanted and incorrect I have seen yet from the Register, and that's saying a lot. Shame.

The Big Dog's back

It did have a bearing on the case. Did you listen to the juror who spoke out? She clearly stated SYG had an impact in their decision. DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

laker1

The Register again gets it wrong. Stand your ground had nothing to do with the Zimmerman case and was not used in the case. Basically stand your ground means you have he presumption your innocence if you have to defend your life. Is that not the way our justice system is supposed to work. You are innocent until proven guilty. The Register would have you guilty until proven innocent and spend your life savings to prove yourself innocent. So tell us Mr Westerhold, how Stand Your Ground was used in the TM, Zim case? Stop with the unarmed child act. TM was admitted to using "lean" Robatussin & Ice Tea mix, pot in his system, was currently on his third time on school suspension, was caught with burglary tools and jewery previously and was a known fighter. After have 4 minutes to run or walk 200 yrds to his dad's appartment all evidence points to him confronting Zimmerman, and the star witness by the prosecution that wa stalking on the phone with him believes he struck the first punch which is a crime. Stop with the unarmed child smoke screen. He was armed with fists and concrete. The only eye witness seen TM pounding Zim on the ground and all injuries to Zim support that.

The Big Dog's back

Read my above post.

jstus2001

The "Register Rag" does it again! To all you bleeding heart morons (no pun intended) that are screaming justice for the thug that was killed I ask you to PLEASE name 1 of the other 1500 black teens that have been killed since the February 2012 shooting of Martin....Thank You...nuff said. The washed up media has made the issues in this case, NOT the actual facts. I believe this COULD have ended differently, however I was not there, but can tell you as a CCW permit holder, I will draw my weapon if I feel threatened and if I draw, I will shoot and I will shoot to STOP the threat using 1 shot or empty the gun, whatever I feel it takes at that moment. One more point...I will do this no matter what "color" the threat is.

deertracker

The problem is not with you protecting yourself., the problem is if the fear you feel is real or the fact that you have a gun makes you brave and heroic. Anyone can say they were "scared". Your CCW permit does not give you the right to do anything but carry a gun. Don't be a coward after allowing fear to dictate your actions. You have a duty to retreat if possible. Remember that!

grumpy

You are correct! A CCW doesn't allow you to fire a gun. The self-defense laws allow you to fire the gun that the CCW allows you to carry. Your being a coward has nothing to do with either the gun or the CCW. I thought the other day you were saying you weren't a wuss and didn't have to walk away when confronted or followed? Have you changed your mind and now say you are a wuss and have a duty to retreat? You really can't have it both ways.

deertracker

The self defense law says you have a duty to retreat if possible. The gun gives you a false sense of security and allows you to act cowardly while thinking you are a big bad brave guy. Martin had no duty to retreat as he was minding his own business and not breaking any laws. Pay attention please, it's not that hard!

grumpy

Where in the self defense law does it say when you are on your back being straddled and beaten, you are supposed to retreat? how is it possible to retreat when you are being straddled and beaten? Pay attention please, it's not that hard!

The Big Dog's back

Trayvon had one 1/4" x 1/8" mark on his hand. Not much for someone supposedly beating someone. Of course those of you who have never been in a fight wouldn't know.

grumpy

The only injuries on Zimmerman were his broken nose and on the back of his head. If as you suggest there was no beating what was the eyewitness of one straddling the other and doing ground and pound, and all the screaming recorded by 911 show? That no beating happened? Really?

As far as fighting goes is this another example of you reading minds again? Or are you looking in your crystal ball?

The Big Dog's back

I stand by my comment.

grumpy

I am not surprised you don't explain Zimmermans broken nose, cuts on his head, witness's testimony about Martin on top going MMA ground and pound. Just doesn't fit in your narrative when you add the evidence testified to in court. Must really suck for you.

The Big Dog's back

zim may have been on drugs and fell. But of course we don't know because they didn't do a drug test on him.

mikeylikesit

as long as we have stand your ground laws there's no duty to retreat.

JudgeMeNot

Correct.

beepx22

Ohio doesn't have a stand your ground law, it has a Castle Doctrine, with a Vehicle extension. the Register wouldn't tell you that though.

PaulYall

This article proves that the person whom wrote this article has the worst journalism in the world! They are not REAL reporters..just an opinionated socialist! Get a job working somewhere else, because obviously your far from being a journalist!

deertracker

You have some serious issues with your grammar and writing skills too Paul. Don't throw stones while living in a glass house!

PaulYall

Wat wurd di eye mis Pell?

deertracker

YOUR! It is you're or you are? NEXT?

PaulYall

Im sorry...your write!

Mommy25

Justice for Christopher Cervini
http://www.theminorityreportblog...

The Big Dog's back

Since you feel so strongly about it, are you going to march?

Simple Enough II

Many of us would, but we have J.O.B.S that we go to so that we can support our families.......

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SamAdams

Every time the Register sinks as low as I think it can possibly go, it comes up with something like this to set the bar for the future even lower.

Stand Your Ground wasn't used as a defense in the Zimmerman case. You're a NEWSpaper (at least in theory). How could you not know that? Martin wasn't simply walking home when he was killed; he was beating the CRAP out of the man who shot him. I'd also note that there are also more recent photos of Martin available in the media. For you to choose the 14 year-old rather than the large and tough looking 17 year-old he became is precisely why so many condemn the media as having little integrity but lots of bias (and frequently a healthy agenda as well).

Stand Your Ground wasn't intended to REPLACE self defense laws, but rather to augment and clarify them. Too many people were being charged with things like murder when the reality was that it was self defense. What Stand Your Ground DOESN'T do is excuse ACTUAL murder, you know, the kind George Zimmerman DIDN'T commit.

Someone who is victimized and in fear for their lives shouldn't be victimized again by the authorities or the courts. If Stand Your Ground can prevent that, I remain all for it. It's bad enough to be attacked in the first place. To defend yourself -- the most basic of all human rights -- shouldn't be subject to criminal or civil charges once it's clear that you did, indeed, engage in self defense.

The Big Dog's back

The jury used SYG to make their decision.

grumpy

What Sam said is correct. She said it was never used in Zimmerman's defense. The only place it was brought up was in the judge's instructions to the jury. The judge is NOT the defense.

The Big Dog's back

SYG was used by the jury to make their decision.

grumpy

doubled

The Big Dog's back

SYG was used by the jury to make their decision.

The Big Dog's back

sam would you prefer the one of him lying dead on the ground?

dontcare

First of all syg, which this case was not about, does not give you a license to kill. You have the right to defend yourself, this is as old as documented history. The argument has nothing to do with syg. Your spin illustrates one issue I have with the media.

The Big Dog's back

SYG was used by the jury to make their decision.

huronguy

So why didn't traythug retreat when he punched gz in the nose? Why didn't he then run the 70 yards home, Why bang gz's head in the concrete? Gz had 3 decisions he could have made at that point. 1. allow trayhood to bang his head until gz is unconscious and pray he doesn't find the gun when he's knocked out and traythug just robs him 2. allow traythug to knock him unconscious and find the gun and kill gz. 3. shoot the little thug in self defense save his own life but then have the black community protest and demonstrate until politicians and elected officials arrest and charge him and even though he has a crooked judge and his civil rights were violated and we find out trayhood was the real racist and should have been charged with a hate crime he beats the case goes home and now the crybaby black's and their ignorant supporters and obama cry racist and afoul.

JudgeMeNot

Because he was a thug. Thugs smoke marijuana and commit crimes.

eriemom

Or.....stand their ground.

The Big Dog's back

Gee, maybe zim had his gun drawn and Trayvon was fighting for his life.

grumpy

Maybe the Pope is jewish and bears go to piddle puppies house for dropping their loads. About the same odds.

JudgeMeNot

How can this be a white issue. No whites were involved. Justice has been served and its party time.

Darwin's choice

Poll for everyone:
Name a place where there would be a large gathering of white people after the verdict was read?

Answer: At work.

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2cents

Or buying ammo! :0

goofus

Why didn't the Ragister put Trayvons facebook picture on this article, you know the one of him exhaling pot smoke through his grill. Maybe he was high on purple drank made from Arizona tea and skittles.

The Big Dog's back

goof, Would you prefer the photo of him lying dead on the ground?

Richard Bebb

The inaccuracies and falsehoods used in this article are staggering....

"At its most basic level, Zimmerman armed himself and ignored police when he killed Trayvon Martin"
- Zimmerman was a legal gun owner who was permitted to carry in the state of Florida. Zimmerman was speaking with a non-emergency dispatcher, not a police officer. When Zimmerman was told "we don't need you to do that" in reference to following Martin, he said "ok" and stopped his pursuit. There is no other evidence that he did otherwise.

"(Martin) who was walking home unarmed after buying a bag of Skittles and a soft drink at a neighborhood store"
- Martin was armed with his fists when he punched Zimmerman in the face breaking his nose and the sidewalk which he used to bash Zimmerman's head.

"Trayvon was a teenager, who was walking home to his father’s house when he was killed"
- Martin was not shot in the back while he innocently walked home. Martin started the physical confrontation when he struck Zimmerman in the face and broke his nose.

“Try to imagine the situation reversed, if a black man shot a white teenager on his way home in his neighborhood,” Jim Jackson said. “There would be outrage among everyone. What it comes down to is the question: ‘Is racism dead in America?’ Obviously it’s not.”
- First of all that would not be a reversal of the situation. Zimmerman was Hispanic no matter how many times the media or the so called civil rights leaders try to make this into another situation of white oppression. Secondly, again I repeat, Martin was not shot in the back as he was walking home. Martin started a fight and paid for it with his life. Thirdly, the premise that racism isn't dead in America is false in this situation because there was one person who brought race into the confrontation and that was Martin when he called Zimmerman a cracker. There are no facts that show otherwise.

"We’re hard-pressed to see any plausible argument to refute what Jackson, and others, have said"
- I just gave you three, I welcome a response. There were protests to start an investigation and demand charges. Charges were filed against the desire of the local police department and prosecutors. Protesters wanted a trial. The trial went forward and Zimmerman was found not guilty based on the idea that he was defending himself, without the benefit of using the stand your ground laws to his favor. In the state of Florida you have the right to a stand your ground hearing which would permit immunity in any criminal trial, Zimmerman did not seek this hearing. So in essence this case had nothing to do with the stand your ground laws making this article even more of a joke. Now there are demands for civil rights charges to be filed by the federal government after they did not get the outcome they wanted, which would be a travesty of the American justice system. Instead of just regurgitating what you heard on MSNBC why not dig a little deeper and research some things yourself. It will make you (whoever wrote this piece) a better writer and a more rounded person all together.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/30/ju...

Darwin's choice

Great post. Sensationalism sells, dam the facts being correct!

Mime Bloggling

Richard Bebb: Well-written and well-researched reply. Well worth the read. Why can't we get this kind of coherence from Register reporting? Could it be that the Register is against all things Second Amendment? Keep in mind it was Matt Westerhold who approved of the printing in his newspaper of all the addresses of law-abiding concealed carry holders in Erie County and surrounding counties not so long ago...putting families at risk and putting the CHL holder at a higher risk of having to "stand his ground". Thank you again Richard Bebb. Great post.

The Big Dog's back

Gee, maybe zim had his gun drawn and Trayvon was fighting for his life.

grumpy

Gee, maybe the Pope is jewish and bears go to piddle puppies house for dropping their loads. About the same odds.

The Big Dog's back

Troll.

arnmcrmn

Sandusky Register. Jury has decided. This story is old. Stop playing the race card and get over it.

Why does every LIBERAL website or news outlet post 5-6 year old pictures of Martin? How about a more present one, you know where he is holding guns with gold teeth with his wanna be thug look?

hilltop

. . . . and if someone attacks you, smack 'em with a newspaper . . . .

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