NRA has too much influence

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Apr 4, 2013

Excerpt from the Chicago Sun-Times: 

Don’t look now, but the U.S. Senate might actually pass legislation that has a chance to significantly reduce gun violence. Some advocates of stronger gun laws were discouraged recently when the Senate dropped provisions to ban assault weapons and highcapacity ammunition magazines from legislation that will be considered starting next week.

But what remains — a bill that would expand background checks when guns are purchased and stiffen penalties for straw purchases — is perhaps the single measure that could do most to tamp down the shootings in America’s neighborhoods. Mass shootings with assault weapons are awful when they occur, but over the course of a year, as we in Chicago know too well, far more Americans are killed by handguns.

We need universal background checks, because we need to stop making it easy for criminals to buy guns. Virtually all firearms start out as legal, but gaps in our laws allow guns to flow from legal to illegal hands. Under the “gun show loophole,” no record keeping is required in private gun sales, which now account for two out of every five firearms transactions. A “straw purchaser,” someone with valid credentials who buys guns for those who can’t legally purchase them, can easily operate in the nether region where no records exist.

That’s a huge loophole, and truckloads of guns are driven right through it.

The NRA opposes universal background checks. It helped push through a measure that prohibits the FBI from hanging on for longer than 24 hours to records of those who pass the existing background check system. That makes it hard to spot a pattern of straw purchases. Lawmakers should not be swayed by the NRA on this issue.

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vicariouslyAlive

the problem with america is that everyone has been made to believe that they should be afraid of their neighbor... on a one to one basis a giant portion of the nation feels the need for a higher level of personal protection. they also feel the that the person beside them shouldnt be able to have that same amount of protection... it's the whole, "i should be able to carry my gun but no one else should" mentality. high government officials have armed guards, but every day civilians can't protect themselves... that alone speaks volumes of what our government thinks of it's people.

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vicariouslyAlive said:

"the problem with america is that everyone has been made to believe that they should be afraid of their neighbor"

Why is that? And who is spreading all the hate and fear you speak of? Certainly it can't be the conservatives and Fox News and the NRA? We all know it ain't the tree huggin', peace lovin' liberals.

The right wing exists to create fear and hate in everything and everyone. Sorry, but the gig is up, and you have lost, but you just don't see it yet.

vicariouslyAlive

Oh I forgot.... its the liberal media flooding us with images of hate from all over america... one side said fear the drug dealers and the other says fear the bank. Again, your classifying into only a few categories. Liberals... republicans... too ignorant too see that there is more to it than that.

But I'll break KT down into terms you can understand. There are some god fearing Republicans that want to take guns away just as there are tiedye wearing hippies that will fight on a picket line. It its poeple like you that think people should be labeled just for a labels sake no matter what their beliefs are. Watch the news, no matter what channel, be it fox or some underground news paper, and what you see is one side telling you not to trust another. Fear sells, why do you think theres always bad news or something destructive on every broadcast?

Sir, you're either blind to all of this, or just flat out stupid. And if you even for a second think that one of your sides in this argument is anymore valid than the other just because of the label assigned to them by society, then you are both.

gene44870

If it were up to me , there would be no residents holding guns . They can pass all the laws that they want in refrence to to back ground checks . But the thing that you have to remember is that the drug dealer or the gang member is not going to buy his gun, or ask for a permit to carry a fire arm . so the brack ground checks are useless and the only way to get a grip on guns and vilance is , to take the guns from the public as a whole .
and inforce the laws on the books that are being plea bargained down to allow these thugs from getting out and repeating these crimes and placing the public at risk , not to mention put a risk to law enforcement and cause the deaths of the law biding not to mention our children .I know about the right to bare arms , but when it was signed into the constitition , they didnt have drug dealers and people shooting up schools and killing police and if they did , then there was no plea bargain , they were put to death by way of hanging or electric chair , and thats just what we need today

KnuckleDragger

So just how do you suppose we are to get 500 million guns off the street? No way its gonna happen. The criminals would never turn theirs in. Which means they would be the only ones armed. Also, only girly men have "bare arms." I don't really see the need to shave 'em. LOL

Bluto

I agree , there's a crap load of weapons in the wind , but that doesn't give us an easy out , to just ignore the problem . We are talking years to get this under control . Some times you just gotta do , what you gotta do.

Centauri

My original question was "I ask the Sandusky Register readers for their opinions about how to deal with gun sales between private individuals?"

The NRA and ACLU is to the rights of citizens as labor unions are to workers. All three are needed but I have criticized all three. Some people are so brain washed in that they will gladly give up their rights as well as those of others.

Somebody mentioned Martial Law in confiscating guns from civilians. How can civilians protect themselves from mobs, rogue police and rogue soldiers? Civilians need their guns to protect themselves from these mobs, rogue police and rogue soldiers. Know your history. British soldiers committed atrocities against the American colonists who opposed British rule. Soldiers and police will fire upon unarmed civilians if ordered to do so. As in many cases of atrocities, the police and soldiers will plead that "they were only following orders" to commit murder and genocide against American civilians. The Founding Fathers wanted the American civilians to be armed so that they could protect themselves from a rogue government that has taken over.

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goofus

Liberals and the left continuously bombard us how they only want registration and don't want to confiscate our guns but you have people like Gene44870 and their kind always posting on topics like this. Can we honestly believe the Obozo administration will not confiscate at a later time. Obozo even campaigned that flyover country was full of bitter clingers to their guns and religion. We can't trust Obozo, I mean President Harrison J. Bounell. The biggest fear we have is from our own government and President Bounell.

OSUBuckeye59

@goofus, the Obama administration is indeed wanting to expand registration, not confiscate guns, but the Gun Lobby, supported heavily by the NRA, will continue to orate loudly, every chance they get, that Obama "wants to take your guns away from you!". Your mistrust of the current administration is exactly the fear the NRA wants and will continue to foment.

As for me, I'm an equal opportunity distrusting person: I don't trust the NRA *OR* our federally-elected officials. For each, there's simply too much power and money at stake. In many respects, the NRA is like their own political party. They have their plank and are sticking to it. They're just as untrustworthy and self-serving as the federally-elected officials whose pockets they're stuffing with money.

KnuckleDragger

Gun registration has been the precursor to nearly every gun confiscation by a tyranical regime. Thank goodness the NRA has our back. If you truly believe that federally elected officials are not trustworthy than how could you possibly willing to allow a mechanism that would allow them to confiscate privately owned firearms?

OSUBuckeye59

I miswrote . . . the Obama administration is *NOT* pushing for "expanded registration", they're pushing for "expanded background checks".

The key points of Obama's plan are: expanded background checks for all gun buyers, restrictions on the capacities of ammunition clips, and a ban on assault weapons.

Again, Obama is *NOT* pushing for registration. And thank God for that. But even if he would have a fleeting thought of even trying to pursue that agenda, it'd be pure political suicide, not to mention utter insanity.

Bluto

The only backs the NRA has are the gun manufactures . They cater to the paranoia of some in order to keep their pockets lined . I'll say it again , the NRA backed universal background checks until it wasn't in their interest to do so .

goofus

Liberals and the left continuously bombard us how they only want registration and don't want to confiscate our guns but you have people like Gene44870 and their kind always posting on topics like this. Can we honestly believe the Obozo administration will not confiscate at a later time. Obozo even campaigned that flyover country was full of bitter clingers to their guns and religion. We can't trust Obozo, I mean President Harrison J. Bounell. The biggest fear we have is from our own government and President Bounell.

The Big Dog's back

I'm not sure you should have a gun goof. Like putting a pistol in a baby's hands.

whocares

Lets go after the video game industry.

whocares

Bluto Just go buy a gun and have fun shooting it. Join a conservation club. You will come over to the other side. More people were killed by hammers last year than guns.

Bluto

I am an owner .

Pterocarya frax...

Stupidity kills more people than guns, but not hammers.

KnuckleDragger

If that was true, you would have passed away long ago ;)

Pterocarya frax...

Thank you again for proving my point that conservatives are vindictive and hateful, and think they are better and smarter than everyone else. I know origen, oops, I mean vicariouslyAlive attacked me for some statements on it, but you continue to prove I was correct.

Oh, and by the way, the fact is there are more gun homicides each year in the USA than ones committed by baseball bats, knives and hammers put together. That also kind of proves the stupidity comment.

vicariouslyAlive

im not sure why you felt the need to liken me to a great scholar, but if you meant it as an insult, you fell far from the mark there sir.

i simply pointed out the fact the you believe that a bipartisan system is the only system at work is a bit of a farce. not all conservatives believe that guns are to be in the hands of all just as not all democrats believe that guns should be banned. simply believing in the stark black and white mentality clearly shows your lack of understanding and knowledge. you seem to look at the world as a child does, in simple right and wrong and us vs. them mentality, when the reality is there's much more to it than that. defending your beliefs of such a mentality shows further more that your ignorance is the kind that cannot be helped. you're too involved in the us vs. them mentality that you cannot see that not every one plays along the same lines that you are only able to see.

i simply pointed out your ignorance in believing that there was any difference in the ways we get screwed whether it's by a democrat or a republican... getting screwed is getting screwed no matter who's doing it... the fact that you find any solace in one side over the other is just an astounding and monumental amount of not only ignorance, but arrogance as well.

by the way... now that i think about it... since origen was a christian scholar, i do find some offense... i think just as little of any organized religion as i do any organized political party... all are fools chomping at the bit of power at the sacrifice of human rights and liberty.

good day, and again, nice try. keep playing the fool, and i'll keep finding reasons to laugh at you.

Pterocarya frax...

Believe me, I would never liken you to a great scholar. First off, I likened you to origen, not Origen (yes, I for one know how to use the caps key). Maybe you are not the commenter formerly known as origen, but your style of writing and means of attacking liberals is very similar.

It is interesting that you accuse me of assigning labels, and yet have labeled me as, and I quote: "ignorant", "child", "fool", having "arrogance", "blind", "stupid".

So it appears that anyone that doesn't ascribe to your view of life is stupid, etc. In many of your comments, I have seen you attack certain liberals such as myself, and certainly attack Democratic politicians, and ideas that are generally considered to be liberally held ones. But nowhere have I seen you attack any Republican politicians except very vague references to no one in particular, and certainly not any of the conservative commenters on here that would vote for a turd sandwich if it had an "R" after it's name.

So, as the old saying goes: "If the shoe fits, wear it".

vicariouslyAlive

i use capitol letters as a sign of respect, which is why i type "god," "obama" and "bush" they way i do.

and i don't attack just democratic views, i attack anything that is only seen in black and white. there are many levels to which this gun debate could be played out to, just the same as the abortion debate. no, i do not think that a gun in the hand of every american is a god idea, but i do think that for those that have followed the laws, it shouldn't be any more difficult for them to enjoy their rights. for a sway on a republican view, abortion shouldnt not be illegal, there's too many circumstances where abortion is justifiable. we should keep birth control unless we want to look into population control, we should have all states follow Texas's model for gun control since chicago's doesn't seem to be working out, and the whole republican push for drill drill drill for more oil will only last so long, obama did at least have the alternate energy resources thing right.

so you see, i don't have a problem with only democrats or republicans, i distrust both equally and both have equally flawed ideas because of their all of nothing mentalities. it's either ban guns or one in every hand. it's either no abortions, or abortions for everyone... there are always varying degrees that most political topics fail to even consider because of these ridiculous dividing lines that we've assigned to the only 2 parties that get any credit for existing. our country is run literally on a toddlers mentality. right or wrong, black or white, all or nothing... and in most situations those are never the answers.

the gun topic just happens to have me swaying more towards the "republican" side because i own guns and want to keep them, but i dont want every johny fart knocker law breaker and drug runner to have the same access to guns. i want to be able to protect myself against those kinds of people.

KnuckleDragger

^^Pot meet kettle. One had to laugh at the lefts propaganda. The guns the lefty's want to ban only accounted for 3,915 homicides out of 68,720 since 2007. The other dirty little secret they don't talk about is the fact that since the sunset of the assault weapons ban the homicide rate by firearms has dropped nearly every year. If anything, the statistics prove that this has nothing to do with saving childrens lives (the CDC has already confirmed that the majority of gun homicides are gang related), this is about eventual confiscation and the incremental loss of liberty.

The Big Dog's back

You too knucklehead. :)

KnuckleDragger

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Bluto

@ Whocares - I don't consider shooting a gun fun , just a useful skill .

vicariouslyAlive

who are you kidding? it's a BLAST!!! pun completely intended. just re-sighted in my ar-15 after taking off my dot optic this week since the weather was nice. also taught a few people a bit of gun safety and how to aim through a peep sight. educational as well as fun.

wiredmama222

In TV on Wednesday, a gun shop owner decided to give away shot guns to three particular areas in Tucson to assist the residents there to protect their own homes. They started a month ago in Tucson, Arizona.

The police cannot assist the homeowners with the rash of break ins in these three areas. One of the residents in particular had been robbed FOUR times in two weeks, twice at gun point. The police could not get to him fast enough to catch the robbers.

This gun shop owner, because this is a lower income housing area, outfitted this man with a shotgun, shells and shooting lessons for both he and his wife. They have also outfitted others on that street of about fifteen house without saying which homes now have guns.

They plastered the street with signs saying the homeowners are now armed with guns. In the month since these homeowners have been armed, there has not been a single break in at ANY of the homes on this particular street. In fact, there hasn't been any cars on that street that do not belong there.

They are ready to move to the next area on their list to help another low income group to be armed and secured.

I am not a great lover of guns, but I used to live out in Tucson. Crime is rampant out there. If it can stop breakins out there, I wouldn't mind that at all. Like the man said, if it stops ONE, it was worth it. To go from that many to NONE, it WAS worth it.

Bluto

I agree with protecting ones self and family 100 percent , but I hope the gun shop owner checked the backgrounds of those he gave guns to . You see , the problem is the gun manufacturers and dealers who want to be able to sell weapons indiscriminately to the masses . They are playing people like fiddles by stirring up fears of the government by people who , to be honest , probably border on clinical paranoia . I also think that this fear mongering is why we are now seeing so many " losing it " and committing acts of violence lately . The NRA seems to be making the problem worse , and oddly enough that plays to their advantage . Kind of like Hitler using Jews as the boogyman to help control non Jewish Germans .

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