Dog killing spurs change

Anonymous
Mar 2, 2013

 

It seems to us the question must be: Is shooting a dog and allowing it to die slowly the proper and appropriate way to respond to a loose dog call?

It's not.

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Sandusky police chief Jim Lang said on Thursday he is developing a training program for officers in how to handle loose dog complaints. That's good, but there are legitimate questions whether it's appropriate to even have police officers in charge of loose dog complaints, given the enormity of the usual and important responsibilities officers already have. In the past, dog wardens and animal control officers were assigned these responsibilities, and were trained in the tasks.

Sandusky city commissioners are likely to claim budget constraints forced them to eliminate the job. But the city has a $15 million annual budget, and we're convinced there are still responsible ways to spend taxpayer dollars that have not been explored, given the waste that is ever present in the city budget.

We're glad Lang has decided to develop better animal control response practices. This incident should be viewed as an opportunity to correct bad practices; not endorse them.

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Comments

votelibertarian

I like reading about people asking for more laws and penalties. More government control over our lives. A bigger prison industrial complex. If the dog didnt bite any one then there was no victim. No victim means there shouldnt be any crime. What ever happen to police using escalation of force. Was there no other option than deadly force? What about pepper spray? taser? batton? We need to police the police as well as ourselves.

crys8271

To all of you that comment on this do you actually own a large dog? Do you know how to read a dogs body language? If you watched the video you could see that the dog was scared. She was protecting her teritorry. And one more question for all of you that know soo much, How can you use a catch poll with one hand? There were plenty of things that could have been done differently. The boyfriend should have came out when the dog was barking for one but all of that is neither here nor there. That cop was wrong for shooting her. They are law enforcement not animal control. We have the Dog warden and the humane society that is what they are here for right?

Mr. Touchdown

Who says he shoulda' tasered the dog? Willard cops tasered a pitbull 2 times & it still ran away. Chased it all over town & it ran inside someone's house & jumped over a 6 month old baby & bit a guy on the hand before it was confined in the basement. I believe this was last summer/fall. Better off having the cops deal with dogs rather than paying a dog warden who won't do his job.

Father of 1

You guys keep posting how much you hate the SPD and don't trust the officers and don't want their help. I wish when you needed them they wouldn't come and help. However even though you have so much hate and say all these things. When you call they will come because they do their job to the best of their ability even for all of the citizens that really don't deserve help. They don't get to pick and choose what calls they go on. They go to protect and serve even when the idiots call. They put their life on the line everyday for all of you no matter who you are. You guys are rude, disrespectful, and don't deserve the rights and freedoms you have. But luckily for you the SPD still helps to keep our city as safe as they can. If we had citizens here that actually could follow the law this city would be a lot better. Shame on you Sanduskians who are part of the problem. Shame on Matt Westerhold for being an instigator who loves to trash the SPD. Thank you Officer Wilson for doing your job. Thank you SPD for backing your officer. Thank you to the citizens who support the SPD. Oh by the way. We are WINNING!!!!!!!

The Hamburglar

Right on!!

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BW1

"You guys keep posting how much you hate the SPD and don't trust the officers and don't want their help."

WOW, Father of 1, talk about reading what isn't there! People here have said that ONE officer made ONE mistake, but that it's a big mistake. There's far more support in your comments for claiming that you believe SPD officers can do no wrong than there is to support your claim regarding other commenters. Maybe you should reciprocate their assumption that your position falls somewhere between those two extremes.

yellitoutloud

bytheby, you should run for mayor. Matt is not the only problem. Emil is also a front runner for stupid.

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BULLISDEEP

ALL THESE people putting down the paper ,why do you keep coming back to read and make comments.
Same with the ones that just have to point out a miss spelling ,
you still read it and understood what it said.

yellitoutloud

father of 1, great comment. Glad to see that there are people who still support officers. It seems to be a dying breed.

BEHAPPY

Bottom line here~the dog was unjustly killed. Everyone keeps talking about how many times the police were called on Lucy. Well then, they KNEW the dog, they KNEW the owner, they KNEW where her home was, they DEALT with her previously THEN WHY SHOOT HER, KILL HER, AND LET HER LAY THERE AND SUFFER THIS TIME? Get it yet?? This was uncalled for.....PERIOD.

The Hamburglar

PERIOD? That explains a lot. Try taking Midol.

BEHAPPY

Try growing up.............

BEHAPPY

Try growing up.............

Rod Farva

Take your finger off the period key already jeez

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BW1

Yes, why not knock on the door and say "get out here and get control of your dog" and then, once the dog is secured, write him a citation? Then all of this controversy wouldn't have happened. The officer can be heard talking to someone off camera as soon as he exits the car - the neighbors would likely know who owns the dog.

BEHAPPY

BTW, I have nothing against LE whatsoever. They have a difficult and thankless job and I have always backed them here and always will. This time the officer was wrong, sorry but WRONG!

The Hamburglar

Nice try but I'm not buying your sincerity, Ms. Hansen.

BEHAPPY

Just for the record HAMBURGIE~I am not Ms. Hansen. I don't even know her. You don't have to buy my sincerity~don't care. I know what I said is fact and that is all that matters. If you feel the need to be certain about my sincerity, go back to previous stories about SPD and you will see me there, backing SPD. This time it's Lucy. You have your opinion, I have mine K?

Rod Farva

Struck a nerve eh?

The Hamburglar

Apparently. BEMAD is more fitting.

BEHAPPY

No Rod, I wondered where your mouth was tonight LOL

Rod Farva

You would

The Hamburglar

Sounds like someone is jealous as to where Rod's mouth had been. Hmmmm.

Father of 1

BeHappy: do you know the police protocol for vicious dog calls? Look it up and tell me one thing that Officer Wilson did that broke protocol. Oh ya you won't find one thing. Now tell me how many things Ms. Hansen AND Mr. Likes did wrong that caused this dog to die! Case closed........PERIOD

BEHAPPY

Dear Father, since you called me out, vicious dogs...hmmm...didn't look vicious to me. My dog's body language would have been the same and he is the nicest dog ever. I've seen that body language on alot of dogs, she was barking that's it. Dogs~get~out~accidently~ just one of those things that happen in life, unless your perfect of course. Are you perfect?

The Hamburglar

Happy will never admit to any wrongs. She's in denial. I would expect no less from her ilk. She's just looking for a payday. PERIOD!

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2cents

"Dog killing spurs change"

It kinda has a ring to it....

http://hopenchangecartoons.blogs...

Father of 1

Well if your dog had the same body language I would imagine Officer Wilson would have had to shoot your precious pup too. I know I would have. Just barking? That's interesting. That's not what the mail carriers statement said. Hmmmm. Plus when Officer Wilson came around the corner he took several steps back due to precious Lucy charging out from between the houses. Definitely the dog was just wanting to play. Ha. Thank you Officer Wilson for saving the neighborhood. No payday for Ms. Hansen.

dire wolf

If i were the city of sandusky, i'd have already offered any new rescue dog of her choice through the erie co. humane society or wherever that is. The police should be kissing her tail to keep her from taking all you taxpayers for another ride in court. you know how those cases have worked out for the city, especially if she gets a top aggressive attorney. If it ever goes to a trial, the fact that she was at works makes it impossible to find her at fault. Her fines will be a non issue in an animal cruelty case. The officer could be reprimanded. The mailwoman was 4 doors away out of harms way, the dog never bit or attacked anyone. The video should have the city making sure this doesn't go to trial, but if it does, be proud that your tax money is going toward something you believed in. I sense a settlement offer pending. get your checkbook out, father of 1.

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BW1

Father, you've just demonstrated that you have no understanding of dog behavior or body language.

BEHAPPY

LOL

Rod Farva

Hahaha

The Hamburglar

TeeHeeHee

luvblues2

*tinkle*...

BEHAPPY

FATHER of 1 Says:
Well if your dog had the same body language I would imagine Officer Wilson would have had to shoot your precious pup too

Am I supposed to be surprised?

The Hamburglar

You shouldn't be. That's what the police are supposed to do. That's why Officer Wilson was in the right.

BEHAPPY

HAMBURGLAR AKA TRISTAFARIA something of other RODS buddy

Val941

The homeowner was sitting in his bathroom taking a s...t..(WATCHING) while the dog was terrorizing the neighborhood AGAIN.. Get a Shot/License/collar/and a clue..to bad that dog owner doesn't think they need to be that way okay maybe you cant afford a dog license then you shouldn't own a dog..get over it. SPD did the right thing.thank god no children or neighbors were hurt by the unruly mutt that they claimed to have loved. I would love to see that dogs shots records.. bet $20 for an overdue dog license there isn't one.

BEHAPPY

What's that all got to do with a dog getting shot unjustly? Terrorizing the neighborhood AGAIN? Then why wasn't something done before if this has been going on? So are you telling me since this terrorizing has BEEN going on that we are all right in saying he looked like he got out of his cruiser knowing he was going to kill he dog this time?

Pastor Ron

I think maybe the city should endorse a policy of shoot on sight of any unleashed dog. I bet calls about loose dogs would decrease. Can somebody explain to me how this dog was not acting like a wild animal and not a pet?

BEHAPPY

"PASTOR" could you please tell me why you hate animals so much?

dire wolf

jesus would be proud of your attitude, pastor.

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BW1

Simple, Ron. The dog retreated to its yard, and barked at the stranger approaching - the friendliest dogs in the world do that. She was standing her ground, not advancing, when she was shot.

Then again, I don't expect an ADMITTED reformed Michael Vick wannabe to understand anything about normal dog behavior.

Father of 1

All of you supporters of Ms. Hansen being a law breaker can donate $50 to her and she can go to the pound and get a black and brown dog named Dahlila they just brought in. It comes with first shots and a license. Something she never provided for poor Lucy. I see the crowbar benefit didn't go so swell. Oh well keep trying. You won't see a big payday. Unfortunately you will have to continue to work. Thanks SPD for keeping us all safe. Too bad we have so many bad apples in Sandusky!

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BW1

Newsflash Father, nobody's supporting Ms. Hansen, except possibly deer tracker. We're supporting the DOG, and the concept of less aggressive police. It seems everything is zero sum with you - either the cops are gods or they're the devil, either the officer was wrong or Ms Hansen was wrong. That's a pretty childish approach.

BEHAPPY

Sandusky isn't the only people waiting for justice here. It's all over the internet. I don't believe anyone is looking for a payday. Just justice for the ....did I see you say POOR LUCY?

Father of 1

It wasn't Lucy's fault she died. It was Ms. Hansen and Mr. Likes fault. They raised her and didn't take care of her. She was considered vicious due to not being taken care of and the end result was death. Period. Officer Wilson did everything right.

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BW1

AND the officer's fault. Notice I didn't say OR.

You seem to have difficulty with indirect versus proximal cause.

BEHAPPY

Vicious means not being taken care of? Really? That's the reason for the killing?

Rod Farva

You are a master debater

The Hamburglar

She types with one hand. That explains all the double posts.

Rod Farva

Yep cant stop double clicking the mouse

dire wolf

What the City of Sandusky should do is offer her a new rescue dog within the next 90 days, and a sincer apology about the tradegy that happened. Explain that is really was a mistake, and that this is not how they feel about animals. She hasn't yet asked for a dime of our tax dollar, and maybe if people quit blameing it all on her (which can be/is be debated), she might want to move on and let bygones be bygones. The police need to turn this into a positive by admitting they wished they had that situation to do all over again, and with what they now know, things may end better that they did for Lucy. I don't know her. but i don't think she's in it for much or any money, yet. I don't know. In life, Integrity isn't really about the money. Just say your sorry it happened, mean it, & offer a Rescue dog. It just might help everybody, who knows for sure?

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BW1

Government admit it's wrong? Look around you. From the deficit, war on drugs, and foreign occupations at the federal level on down to the Huron Greenway locally, when have you known government to do anything but double down on stupid?

jes1413

Give her a new dog? So she can let it roam the streets and harass people or get hit by a car. Her ability to take care of her dog makes you wonder about her ability to care for her child.

Advocate For Animals

I don't think she's out for money either. One thing she said is that Wilson didn't even have the compassion or decency to apologize to her. All he was concerned about was slapping her with citations. How lacking in compassion can a person be?

I don't know Donna personally but I was at the rally. Seems to me all she wants is justice for her dog. She wants to make sure something like this never happens again to someone else's pet and as things stand now it unfortunately could happen again. Any one of our dogs could be the next Lucy for doing nothing more than protecting their property or accidently slipping away from a tie out or a fenced in yard.

lifetimeresident

Mr. Wilson and The Mailcarrier lady were totally in the wrong. Had the mail carrier fell as she was running, and been bitten, I would support her call. Mr. Wilson is a grown adult. I'm sure a few bites from a dog he could of lived with. Shame on both of them. Your both public servents. You do get paid. Work is not always easy. Take the good with the bad and suck it up.

Father of 1

Wow. Dumb and dumber. Do any of you read what you type? Really? Now the mail carrier and the officer are supposed to get bitten because they are adults and get paid? The city and officer also shouldn't admit guilt when what the officer did was within the guidelines of dealing with a loose vicious dog. He is not guilty. If the dog wouldn't have been loose trying to attack people the dog would still be here. I know the younger generation feels everyone owes them something but in this case it isn't happening. Move out of our city since you hate it so much. Our city would be a lot better off without you. If you don't feel you need to follow the law get out. Officer Wilson followed the law. If he didn't please explain what law he broke. Oh that's right you won't find it. SPD isWINNING! Ha Ha

dire wolf

SPD is winning here? really? Is that why they are getting backlash from so many citizens around the country? is that why they are making immediate changes and developing training programs to train their officers now? winning??? good call father of 1 unfortunate child, your dumb meter is buzzing red.

deertracker

AGREED!

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BW1

Only one problem, father, the dog wasn't trying to attack people. If a dog that size had tried to attack the postal worker, the postal worker wouldn't have walked away.

miktoxic

i thought postal workers along with police were supposed to carry pepper spray?

i guess a 9mm glock is a much better dog deterrent.

hey when the little brats are running around outside throwing rocks at cars can i call officer didley do (whatever the doofusses' name was) and have him put a slug in 'em?

miktoxic

what are you 15?

oh yeah, sandusky. 15 and a father of 1. it makes sense now.

JERRY from SANDUSKY

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Personal attacks (including: name calling, presumption of guilt or guilt by association, insensitivity, or picking fights).

jes1413

Paying your dog at large fine doesn't in any way pay the salary of a dog warden, does it? Just curious. Everyone wants the dog warden to come, but Ms. Hansen hasn't paid her last fine, which may in turn go to funding the dog warden.

looking around

To all you CCW permit holders, take heed this is all to do about a cop shooting a dog he felt was a threat to him and used deadly force. If you feel you are threatened and decide to use deadly force be it against an animal or a human this is what you will be faced with......think about it.

KURTje

So glad Officer Brad did what he did, he helped Sandusky.

swiss cheese kat

What if a man in a hoodie tried to bite the mail lady and then ignored the officers request like the dog did, would it be ok for the cop to shoot him too?

deertracker

Would not be the first time a guy was shot for wearing a hoodie!

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BW1

I'd be more comfortable around the dog than around someone in a hoodie.

LuvsPlant

As an owner of a 107lb Doberman, I am aware that I must take more precautions than an owner of a 30lb mutt. I am aware that my dog is large and powerful. I know that he would do nothing more than lick a person to death, but the perceptions of dobermans spark fear in people. I keep my licensed, micro-chipped, neutered dog under my control at all times. Not for fear that he may hurt someone, but for fear that he may get hit by a car. I fear for his safety, not the safety of others. I have invested time, money and love in my dog and it is my job to keep him safe.

deertracker

I agree with you 100% However, if your licensed, microchipped, neutered dog/family member gets a little naughty do you want him shot dead!?

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BW1

Police puppycide doesn't just happen to big scary dogs:

Cumberland County, North Carolina:(http://www.fayobserver.com/artic...)

Gizmo, a 17.6-pound Pekingese-dachshund mix, was shot Wednesday by Deputy Barbara Siau, a nine-year veteran who works in the Child Support Enforcement division, said Debbie Tanna, spokeswoman for the Sheriff’s Office . . .

or dogs running loose:

Dog caught on catch pole, dragged out of owner's garage, THEN shot - warning, video is disturbing
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?fea...)

Oh look! here's a dog that was under 40 lb. AND tied up, whose owner had done NOTHING wrong:
http://www.examiner.com/article/...

It's a national problem - just ask the US Dept. of Justice
http://cops.usdoj.gov/Publicatio...

We need law enforcement that is less dependent upon firepower and more dependent on broad public consensus that the laws being enforced are reasonable. We need law enforcement whose equipment and tactics resembles those of London, UK more than some banana republic run by a totalitarian strongman. If we can't accomplish that, maybe it's time to call off the whole experiment begun in 1776.

Rod Farva

Why don't you just move to the uk then, that way your next dog can be billy clubbed to death

Father of 1

Bw1: I am curious. We're any of us there when the dog allegedly chased/attacked the mail carrier or neighbors? Was there a video the paper published on said events? Not thinking there was. So if they say they were chased/attacked by vicious dog (Lucy) I will have to believe that's true since the dog was in fact not fenced in or chained up. Also the dog was roaming around and did in fact seem uncontrolled when the officer got out of his cruiser. Then when he followed the dog around the corner that dog lunged out. So....... Since dogs don't speak English I will side with the mail carrier that the dog posed a threat. Thank you again Officer Wilson for doing your job. No one was in your shoes so they don't know what they would have/ should have done.

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BW1

Father, we have to rely on the evidence available, combined with our knowledge of the capabilities of the parties in question. If a dog that size, strength, and speed chased the postal worker in earnest, it would catch her. Highly fit humans can manage maybe 12 mph. An overweight dog that size can run 25 mph. If a dog that size and strength had attacked her in earnest, she'd have the marks to show for it. You cite as your basis for believing the dog attacked the dact that it wasn't fenced in. Why don't you pause to examine the inherent syllogism in that?

The dog NEVER lunged. Dogs lunge when they're close enough for it to count - 3-4 feet. The dog was never that close.

I have been in that situation - bigger, provenly more aggressive Rottweiler, bigger scumbag of an owner, and I didn't have a gun. I was a 14 year old nerd, 5'6" and 140 lb.(compare those stats to the officer) The dog had at least 10 lb. on me. All I had was a canvas Cleveland Press bag with about 6 newspapers left in it. How is it I am alive today?

Pastor Ron

Apparently the answer to protect officers from injury from a dog bite is to equip them with Cleveland Press Bags.

Advocate For Animals

Ron...I won't even call you Pastor because no real Pastor would applaud the killing of God's creatures....what is your problem with animals? Why do you hate animals so much that you applaud the killing of them? What's wrong with you?

Advocate For Animals

"Colorado senators to introduce bill to require cops take dog training"

http://www.denverpost.com/breaki...

This is what needs to be done in Ohio. Sandusky Register...might be a good idea to do a story on this.

Pastor Ron

I have no hate for animals but I do believe that wild beasts should be killed. That is Biblical.

Advocate For Animals

"Anyone who has accustomed himself to regard the life of any living creature as worthless is in danger of arriving also at the idea of worthless human lives." - Dr. Albert Schweitzer

LuvsPlant

Deer tracker, as I said "it's my job to keep my dog safe".

miktoxic

there are some real thicked skulled people laying comments in here. it's pretty interesting hearing world views from those who probably never left the outskirts of erie county. good to know that the right wing bible thumping gun toting dog kickers still are the majority in sandusky. it takes a real 'big' man to shoot a defenseless animal.

all i know if that officer would have shot my dog he would have got his ass kicked and i would have gone to jail.

Julie R.

"all i know if that officer would have shot my dog he would got his ass kicked and i would have gone to jail"

That's not funny .... but it is.

Thanks for the laugh.

Rod Farva

I hope someone shoots your dog so i can see a dashcam of you riding the lightning

miktoxic

thanks for the comment 'rod'.

'ride the lightning' is that what you officers do on 'ladies' night down at the rawhide?

what a child.

Rod Farva

Where is this "rawhide " place? Sounds like a good time

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Peaceful Street...

RodFarva is a worthless coward cop who sits on Sandusky Register's forum all day making excuses for other coward cops, all on the public dole. RodFarva is a coward, RodFarva is a welfare queen.

herbie_hancock

So in a nut shell....the dog is still dead, its still no ones fault the dog was out terrorizing the neighbors, Wilson still isn't in trouble and has his job, SPD gets K9 training (overtime), no new charges, no new laws have been passed, no new animal control officers/dog wardens hired, and peaceful street is calling someone whos been to war a coward from a computer chair in his safe livingroom. Got it.

crazyrick

A Couple of hit's of pepper spray and job completed. Cop wanted to shoot that dog. If he would have open fired a gun in my neighborhood to shoot a dog he would have had a problem. Granted the dog owner's are wrong, but what is this the OK Corral ? Smooth move Ex-lax,fire a gun right at those dog owner's house, thank god he didn't miss. IDIOT

YoungTom

crazyrick, I completely agree with you. Back in February I read a report about the Department of Justice telling police officers to use dog pepper spray instead of guns if possible. The dog spray is manufactured by Mace so it is reputable, I am sure it has been tested numerous times for effectiveness. You can see the post about the report here: http://www.buy-pepper-spray-toda...

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