Increasing taxes not the answer for city of Sandusky

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Jul 23, 2014

 

An increase in taxes again?

Seriously?

The city of Sandusky is cash-strapped once again.

The city wants to either increase the income tax or increase the admissions tax to Cedar Point, or both. Why penalize city residents or Cedar Point visitors?

Why not hold people accountable such as Mr. Yost for his $269,000 debt to the city? Why slap him on the wrist with a mere $2,700 fine and all is forgiven? The city would not allow anyone else to slide on their responsibilities for five months, let alone five years.

Be fair to those of us who pay our dues and don’t increase these taxes.

—Mary Anne Hauser
Sandusky

Comments

Sandumpy Proud

Vote yes! Raise all taxes! Viva Government!

YouMustBeJoking

I agree with parts of this forum. We (city residents) should NOT get taxed another dime. However, the guest going to Cedar Point SHOULD be taxed more than a measly 3% on admission.(mind you they also don't pay any tax on anything purchased inside the park) If you or I go to Disney World, we are FORCED to pay at least an 8% admission tax on top of the price of a ticket. Did or do I complain? Of course not. Does the admission tax have any affect on if I purchase tickets for my family next year? Of course not. Income tax increase, should NOT be considered. Raising the admission tax to the same percentage as the sales tax SHOULD be done. By the way my family and I are Cedar Point season pass holders, have been for over 30 years. You must PAY to PLAY.

downthemiddle

No sales tax on purchases inside the park?

Pls explain/ verify.

ohioengineer

How about this: increase the admission tax on Cedar Point attendees, but simultaneously DECREASE the city income tax by a like amount! Of course, this is out of the question, since the real issue for government (any government from city to federal) is not so much WHERE to find the tax dollars, but HOW to get ever more tax dollars.

sugar

We have an opportunity to say NO. Come out and vote NO. The commissioners don't care about their constituents they took the easy way out, dump on the producers. VOTE GO TO HEdouble l

knowitall

I am going to vote yes!

The Bizness

I will be voting yes.

sugar

Yes vote to give more of your hard earned money to subsidize the luxury of the civil servant! Maybe they can retire at 45 instead of 50! They deserve to sit at Dockside with their feet up while you toil! Rebuild Sandusky! Rebuild the good life for some! Why shouldn't they be surrounded in pots of flowers and fountains while they imbibe!

knowitall

Vote yes,

Mr. 25 Cents

When was the last time the city of Sandusky increased its taxes? Fifty years ago? Meanwhile, the state has been cutting both taxes and the amount of money it gives to local governments.

On Tuesday, Cedar Point agreed to a restructuring of its tax obligations that will generate an additional $500,000, EVERY year, of income tax revenue for the City. That should be enough to clear Mr. Yost's water bill. The rest will go to pay for services.

If people in this city don't want services, they should attend commission meetings and identify the unnecessary services that the city provides. The city has already stopped resurfacing roads. Should it stop plowing the streets? Are residents willing to bag their own leaves instead of having city workers pick them up? Do residents want to spend thousands of dollars out of their own pockets to trim and remove street trees planted by the tree commission? Do residents want to close Fire Station No. 7? Should the city sell its waterfront parks?

The city has already cut its staffing by over 25%. Should it lay off some police officers?

"No, no, no! Don't cut any of that stuff!" But that's what's left to cut. And, if that wasn't clear, it should be after the city shut down Fire Station No. 7.

For most people who are subject to the .25% increase in income taxes (25 cents out of every hundred dollars they earn), it will amount to only an extra dollar or two per week in taxes. But the total extra revenue generated for the city would be approximately $2.5 million, and about half of that would come from Cedar Point. That $2.5 million won't be heading down to Columbus or off to Washington never to be seen again. It will be spent here.

Residents can pony up a couple of dollars per week, or they can start making tough decisions. And making tough decisions doesn't involve complaining about a one-time expense like Mr. Yost's water bill. It involves eliminating services forever.

sugar

What services? There are none. That's laughable.

The Bizness

Sewer, water, roads, parks, PD, Fire

sugar

I already pay a monthly water and sewer bill, my street is rarely plowed, till the parks under. Don't want to pay a fortune to keep them. Or better yet you and your buddies volunteer to maintain them. Never have called the FD , don't bother to call the police they are ride and don't show up for hours.

knowitall

YES

FootballFan43035

I've always felt that regardless of the city/county/state that the citizens will accept a tax increase as long as its leaders make a reasonable case for it.

Nobody was happy when Gov. George Voinovich raised taxes and fees when he became Governor of Ohio but when it came to his re-election 4 years later he won with 72% of the vote. In Columbus, Mayor Mike Coleman convinced the voters to raise the city income tax to 2.5% in the midst of a recession and it passed something like 55%-45%. It passed because he made a good case to the voters that it had to be done and they accepted it.

In researching this I finally found a list of Ohio City Income Taxes at http://incometax.columbus.gov/mu...

The 10 biggest cities and their city income taxes in Ohio are: Columbus - 2.50%; Cleveland - 2.00%; Cincinnati - 2.10%; Toledo - 2.25%; Akron - 2.25%; Dayton - 2.25%; Parma - 2.50%; Canton - 2.00%; Youngstown - 2.75%; Lorain - 2.50%

Train

I'll be voting yes. I care about my City. It's been over 40 years since the last tax increase. I agree 100% with Mr. 25 cents.

sugar

And if we had a thriving economy, where people were prospering that rate would be just fine.
Give them more though because we know the great job they'll so with it.

knowitall

YES

CommonsenseNow

Good comments on this board, Sugar. I agree with what you're saying.

YoMamma

The golf course bleeds $25,000.00 each year! Yet we keep it open. Why?

Nor'easter

If you listened to the presentation at the Specially called commission meeting on Tuesday, You would know that with that we are paying $300 less in State income tax today compared to 2004 due to reductions in rate. This win-win solution brings one third of this money to Sandusky to rebuild our city. And our corporate citizen Cedar Point brings the same percentage of tourist dollars to the table. This is clearly a WIN-WIN SOLUTION to REBUILD SANDUSKY.

sugar

You're Rebuilding those union wages and early retirement.

moonbeam

I will be voting yes if I get assurances that we will not be building a new city hall. I also care about my city. It the responsible thing to do. Staffing # 7 before something really bad happens, code enforcement,roads, curbs, sidewalks and dead trees.

LivinOnTheLake

For those of you advocating raising taxes on the tourists by increasing the Cedar Point admissions tax, remember a vast majority of those tourists are staying in our local hotels and PAYING the bed tax as well. How much is too much to tax the tourists? I don't know, but if the number of tourists that come here each year goes down because its getting too expensive for them, then that is not good for our local economy. Too many people that live here work in the hospitality industry and could lead to more unemployment.

JT Adams St

Cedar Point has agreed to a 1% increase on the admissions tax.

If Perkins wants to eliminate its bed tax, that would be great. Maybe its residents could actually pay some taxes instead of milking tourists dry.

sugar

Closing fire stations and threatening reductions in services is exactly what they do everytime. Just like the schools take away the things parents get upset about. It works everytime. Or "it's only a few dollars a week" when added up is HUNDREDS over a year. You're being used citizens! Make them live with in their budget. You have to!
I'm not voting out of fear anymore, I'm voting in favor of my wallet. The mismanagement is horrifying, no wonder we're broke.

sugar

How many of you skip that Dr or dentist appointment because of the cost? Plan to skip them all after you're a few hundred dollars poorer next year.
But your civil servant friend has no difficulty having his health care needs met because YOU pay for them.
But it's just a few dollars a week and were being oh so calm and reasonable about it, common sense should prevail, it's been years since they've asked for an increase.
Problem is fellas, it's NOT your money. Take some cuts like the rest of us had. City Comission handle the money as if it all came from your labors. Government stop growing.

JT Adams St

City staff have taken cuts. The workforce has been reduced by about 1/3. For someone to be a "few hundred dollars poorer" next year as a result of a .25% tax increase, they would have to be making over $100,000 a year. I doubt if those people will be skipping their dental appointments because of a .25% tax increase.

The Big Dog's back

sugar, it must be terrible to go thru life with all that hate and animosity towards working people.

CommonsenseNow

You should know! Now, that's an idea for you. Instead of getting your GED, you can teach other people what it's like to be an a**hole who sits behind a computer screen and types negative sh** all day.

The Bizness

Sugar you have some issues lol you are pretty much the only one on here that is so strongly against this. Calm down and think logically for a second.

CommonsenseNow

He's not the only one.

sugar

Oh here we go the attempts to intimidate, you're the only one, you have issues.
No what I have is a strong sense of self preservation, I am tired of watching a mismanaged, inept government take fromy earning to continue to mismanage. I expect a return on my investments and I see only losses here. It doesn't matter if it's $50 or $100 it's my dollars.
Trust me there are a lot of people who feel the way I do, they're just not vocal about it. Why? Because of bullies like you.
If I can give even one person the guts to stand up and vote in their self interest and not yours than it's worth my rants.

The Bizness

Did you even see how Mr. Wobser layed out his plans for spending the money? He is trying to offer you more services, with less people.

DEATHnTAXES

Tell ya what Buziness

If the income tax increase fails, and that's what it is--CP is once again holding the taxpaying, voting citizens hostage, you just go on ahead and write out a check while your sipping on an umbrella drink at Dockside for the amount of new income tax you would have paid as if the tax and spend issue would have passed.

The Big Dog's back

A return on your investments? What? This isn't a business. Your return is police, firefighters, streetlights, etc. Try getting all that from a private source.

downthemiddle

Sugar... Don't back off.. You're the voice of the thinking taxpayer.

Dog.. Aren't you supposed to be over at 913 licking prestons boots?

The Big Dog's back

downthecrapper, is there something of substance you would like to add?

LabMan

HaHa who is he L.S. ?

Brick Hamland

If you have a strong sense of self preservation and a few hundred dollars in tax is going to have an impact on your life i suggest you use that self preservation to find a better job, get more education so that you can get a better paying job, do something. It seems like a lot of people that want to have a better and stronger city don't want to foot the bill. If i pay more in taxes to increase the strength of this city and its economny- then as more businesses come to this city I will have increased opportunities for better employment, higher pay, etc. "If you build it they will come" A lot of people want to pass the buck to Cedar Point. In the event Cedar Point says enough is enough and moves the corporate offices that will be several high paying jobs leaving the area. I do think it is great that Wobser has done more in 1-2 meetings than Ard did the entire time she was here. Onward and upward

Julie R.

"I do think it is great that Wober has done more in 1-2 meetings than Ard did the entire time she was here."

I knew that was coming but I didn't think anybody would be ignorant enough to say it so soon. So what has Wobser done? This tax increase thing? If so, come on already. How stupid do you think people are. That was already decided by Murray & Co. even before the firing of Ard which was also pre-planned even before Murray was voted back in as a commissioner again. Sort of like the joke court of Binette allowing Baxter's buddy Yost to plead guilty to a misdemeanor. That's was all planned out, too, just like giving the crook enough time to hide his assets was all planned out. Don't you know how these jokes in Sandusky and Erie County work ...... or are you just feigning ignorance?

Babo

What is considered "income" subject to Sandusky city taxation? Certainly earned income from wages would qualify but does the City also tax business income such as profits earned in the City prior to distributions to partners in the business? Does anybody know the answer?

Thomas Paine

Sandusky does not have a corporate tax. I don't believe any city in Ohio does. I also believe that in Ohio the maximum income tax a city can charge before bringing it to voters is 1%. So without doing any research that tells me city voters have never voted for an increase before as the current rate is 1% which is far below the rates of other cities of similar size.

Babo

I am not referring to income tax on C Corporations but to income tax applied to partnerships, LLC's and other business entities that are set up to avoid business income taxes and pass the profits through to the owners. In the city in which my business is located, the owners pay income tax on the profits of the business.

Has Sandusky's tax code been changed to tax these types of entities that are set up to avoid corporate income taxes on profits and essentially pass through profits to the owners?

Sandumpy Proud

Do the commissioners who are also business owners pay city income tax?

Thomas Paine

Gotcha. If I get your question correctly an example would be someone who has a rental property business who forms an LLC the LLC/owner address is in the township but the income is generated by properties in Sandusky. Are they taxed? That's valid question, I am going out on a limb to say no they are not. Any accountants reading this?

Julie R.

Babo says: I am not referring to income tax on C Corporations but to income tax applied to partnerships like LLC's that are set up to avoid business income taxes and pass the profits through to the owners."

So does that mean when the common pleas court working in collusion with the probate court ...... knowing my deceased mother & stepfather's property situated in the city of Huron (that they did not own jointly) couldn't be sold through normal channels unless the criminal transfer of my mother's half prior to her death was acknowledged and the property put back into her probate estate ..... pulled off that scam to sell the property with serious defects in the title at a sheriff sale to a realtor to use as rental property and then gave him enough time to set it up as Maximal Properties LLC (and the LLC's owner/address is a Sandusky address) does that mean the LLC's income generated by the rental property in Huron avoids business income taxes and passes the profits through to the "owners?"

Nemesis

NOW you did it Babo - you set off Julie whining about her lost inheritance.

Babo

No. Let's use Murray and Murray law firm as an example. It's probably an LLC or some sort of Limited Liability partnership. It is situated in Sandusky. Its partners or members collect some income as wages but also receive some share of the net profits at the end of the year. If a Murray partner doesn't reside in Sandusky is he or she taxed just on their wages or is his or her share of profits also subject to City income tax.

Same question with Cedar Fair. It pays out a share of profits to its unit holders i.e. owners some of whom are also employees. Are these profit payments subject to city income tax since the company is headquartered in Sandusky?

Thomas Paine

I don't believe you pay city income tax on dividends or k-1 income if you don't live in city even if the business is located within city limits. I may be wrong but I think a few years ago the city was going to change the tax code but discovered the administrative cost to local business and to the city was more expensive than what the city would collect and counterproductive to bringing in new business.

Nemesis

IF they live in the city, they pay income tax to the city. A unitholder who lives in, say, Nebraska is not liable to Sandusky, nor should he be. You are proposing chaos. Everyone with a 401K would be filing tax returns for hundreds of cities.

That is one reason why cities tax only earned income. Another reason is that an individual's investment income correlates highly with their desirability as a municipal resident. Those with investment income are the ones who have excess wealth to contribute to organizations that build up the community. Given the ease with which such people can move from one city to another, any city that taxes investment income is asking to become one big slum.

You seem to be furiously churning to find any way you can to ignore the elephant in the room, which is that the city's fiscal woes are due to an insufficient percentage of residents who work and pay taxes. Too many grasshoppers, not enough ants.

Thomas Paine

Since when did government services become a la carte? Here is what I see and hear... Because I am poor, I don't have a car, I don't use streets, I never call the police, I don't have kids, I don't drink water, I don't use electricity, and I live off the land I have decided the rest of you that want or have nicer things suck.

sugar

It's about mismanagement, lies, corruption and of the incestuous relationship of public sector unions and liberal politicians.
There is no need for more money, they have enough.
Attempting to belittle me changes nothing. The city has not been good stewards of taxpayer money. They deserve no more.

The Big Dog's back

You're right. No sense in trying to shame you because you have no shame. Just a teatarded right wingnut who wants everything for nothing. If you want to live where they don't have things for a decent society, move to Montana or Idaho.

Thomas Paine

Why do you assume this post is about you and not a generalization about my perception on a group of people?

sugar

Perhaps because you've followed me around for 2 days attempting to shut me up with your arrogance? Get real bozo.

Thomas Paine

All I have asked for is something positive and constructive. Do you like walks on the beach? Enjoy sunsets? Unicorns and Rainbows? Reading a good book? A nice meal with a beverage? There has to be something that makes you smile and say life is good...right? PS The definition of arrogance- having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities...which actually is you believing that the comment was towards you alone and believing that I am intentionally following just you around. It is a public forum after all. I disagree with you. That is not the same as telling you to shut up, bullying you, or intimidating you. Yes I have called you salty (does anyone disagree?) and have the personality of Eeyore (does anyone disagree?). You are but one voice of many- not trying to get you to shut up or agree with me just trying to make you smile. I am only one voice of many as well.

sugar

Utterly foolish post, you're trying too hard. Be gone...

Thomas Paine

So you don't like rainbows?

knowitall

Vote yes

sugar

Lol what amazing audacity! Brick do you really think I don't have an education?
Turning this into a personal issue with my lack of whatever is a joke. Whether I make 25 k or125k doesn't matter.
The city has enough money, what about cities of comparable size who don't have a CP to suck off of?
I will not give these mis managers one more dime if I can help it. VOTE NO!

downthemiddle

There used to be plenty of budget until drugs, crime and and non working lowlifes ran up the cost of public services on those who do pay taxes.

sugar

Really, all the police do all day is chase around addicts.

The Bizness

I think this commission and this city manager will prove to you that they will manage the money better. I am voting yes.

Thomas Paine

So far count me as one of the impressed. I will mark this comment on my calendar and check to see if I agree with myself 12 months from now.

sugar

Impressed?because they garnered a deal where they make you pay more money for inept money management?
You are a public employee! Lol!

Thomas Paine

We are all actually paying less overall taxes for state and local if you pay attention. Impressed because instead of having to change rims on my tires every spring because of pot holes or possibly watching people die or houses burn on the west side, this plan ensures the safety of people on the west side with a fire station that is open,the roads can be repaired and plowed during the winter, the zoning department can enforce the codes to cleanup neighborhoods, trees can be trimmed, removed and replanted to make the area inviting to our guests so they spend their money here and the police will be better equipped to deal with the drug problems. All of that is worth $7-$9 a month from me because I friggin live here year round and worth charging $1.50 to people buying tickets to cedar point for their temporary use of our services. Mismanagement and horrible government would be sitting around feeling sorry for ourselves as everything rots and decays around us. Are you sure you aren't Eeyore from Winnie the Pooh?

sugar

Awww on to the DRAMA and HYSTERIA the libs are famous for. The city has more than enough money to take care of these problems. Recall all the retired 50 to 65 y/o's to do the work , like the rest of the private sector working class .

Thomas Paine

I'll let the members of the independent City of Sandusky finance committee and the Erie County Republican Party that know me laugh at this one. Thanks for the chuckle.

sugar

As if the Republican Party in Erie County is in any way conservative. Now that's worth a chuckle.

Brick Hamland

Sugar- i am not saying you are uneducated. I didn't mean to sound that way I apologize. What i am saying is maybe you could get a doctorate or some type of higher education so that you increase your income so that a $100 a year tax hke wouldn't bother you as much. It does make a difference if you make $25k or $125K, because if you made $125K you wouldn't care about $100 a year to move the city in which you work forward. At $25K the $8 a month extra might have an effect on you

Julie R.

Doesn't make any difference if people make $25K or $125K. Why should people have to pay for all the litigation that the city of Sandusky is so well-known for? Bad enough the people in Erie County ended up paying 3.2 million for the Metroparks case that your corrupt idiots at the courthouse intentionally dragged on for almost 20 years without paying for the city of Sandusky, too.

The Big Dog's back

julie, since you hate this area so much, why haven't you moved?

Julie R.

Typical response to cover up the corrupt cult that have made a mockery out of the judicial system and the law.

The Big Dog's back

Seriously julie, you think everyone and everything is corrupt. Why would you stay here?

Julie R.

Seriously, Big Dog, wouldn't it make more sense for the corrupt old boys & girls to leave?

Sanduskyloveito...

I also will be voting yes! I agree with 'the Bizness"

sugar

It's all the personnel from Meigs St voting yes! Yay! More for us!
I'll be at Dockside Friday evening for any of you who think you can ID me. You can tell me what an ignorant uneducated mess I am and how I should move, sell my home, or disappear. Wag your fingers in face, attempt to intimidate me, whatever. VOTE NO!

The Bizness

Dockside is our taxes put into action. Thank you for supporting our parks. I may be around Friday night, and may join you.

sugar

The Marina is a failure, another Sandusky mess. Dockside is a private business. It's the private sector that creates wealth and income. Gov creates NOTHING but burdens on producers.

The Bizness

Dockside is a private business housed in a city owned property, so by spending your money there you are supporting this. Not to mention, the land you eat your perch taco or hamburger on is a park, a park that didn't exist a few years ago.

How can a property that brings boaters in to spend time in our town and spend money be considered a failure? I would bet that the marina will be close to breaking even this year. It has been busy with boats all summer.

sugar

Guess you didn't hear the marina is failing. It took a smart private sector business to turn a failing gov project into a profitable one.
Dockside doesn't sell burgers or perch by the way. Next you'll tell me the gov owns the perch I eat! ROTFLMAO!

The Bizness

We must be talking about a different Dockside then, either that or you are losing your mind.

Thomas Paine

Agree how is the marina a failure? More and more people are going down there every year. Eventually an area that wasn't producing income or creating private business will. Progress takes time. Its neither government or the private sector making things happen its a collaboration of both. Without infrastructure you cannot attract a business. Without business and the people a government cant maintain infrastructure and safety services. They are not mutually exclusive of each other. The marina is an example of private and public coming together to create something sustainable. Any private business owner knows you don't make your best money in the first year of business and many lose money their first couple of years until the business is established. How is a government project any different? This is another reason I am impressed with the income/admission tax venture. Government and Private working together to mutually benefit each other. I don't think I am alone in thinking balance is a good thing and not wanting either of the crazy wings to get their way. Especially considering the grassroots organization of community members appear to also endorse this. To me this deal is an example of balance. Is balance considered being a bully or mismanagement?

The Bizness

Well said Mr. Paine, Sugar doesn't even know what is on Docksides menu so I am not sure he is thinking clearly.

Thomas Paine

Maybe Salty is on a different dock?

sugar

You mean private business drags gov along, or gov drags private business to the bottom. The only reason you are in cahoots with the gov is because you somehow benefit from it getting an increase in taxpayer funding.
You can fool others with your rhetoric about partnerships and cooperation, but many of us know better.

Thomas Paine

You are right I do benefit...I will have nicer roads to drive to work on, I wont be afraid to walk outside at night downtown because we will have a police force that can do more. I wont have to walk by homes with grass 50 ft high because zoning can actually enforce something, and if there is a fire safety services can actually respond to the west side of town. Nicer roads, better safety services, better schools bring in better people to improve the area workforce, thus encouraging new business to consider the area, which then hires these people who pay taxes. It may also increase the value of area homes which then decreases the likelihood they become rentals. The whole process is a city ecosystem. Government, Business and the community all need something from each other to make it work. You are more then welcome to believe what you want to believe. If you want to believe nobody needs any form of government, that we are all fine with dirt roads, shanties and carrying clay jars of water from the lake to our homes you a free to believe that. Your form of government or lack thereof knocks us back to the stone age, the opposite end of crazy makes us dependent on one group to live. If I had to choose I would choose your form of crazy. But I don't haveb to choose one or the other. I think the wise choice is a blend of the two. This country worked when there was less government intervention in our daily lives AND more workers rights then we have now. That is all.

sugar

Seriously? That is funny as he**. Drama. We have government, the city collects taxes, it has enough to handle this size of a city.
I just have one question, the shanties, (ROTFLMAO) how will increasing taxes help any of those lower income people bring their shanties up to par?

knowitall

Vote yes.

Brick Hamland

I wish i could make it to Dockside, I would be happy to buy you dinner. That cost would be as much as your taxes would increase this year so it would be a non-issue and you could vote yes. Unfortunately I can't vote on this because I don't live in the city

sugar

Drop dead.

Thomas Paine

I don't always go to dockside but when I do I want to see the unhappiest person in the world...

doppleganger

Stay thirsty, my friend.

knowitall

Lol

Julie R.

So can people that don't live in Sandusky but work in Sandusky vote on this?

sugar

That's 3/4 of the income! Of course not! It would fail for sure. That's how most taxes are passed. It's unconstitutional, it's TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. Too bad the corrupt pols and unions have a stranglehold on things and the sheeple are to preoccupied trying to live to see the corruption.

SamAdams

You're right. But just TRY to suggest that only property owners should vote on property taxes, and only those whose paychecks are affected should vote on income taxes. Again, you're right. But you're also probably a racist/a teatard/cold-hearted/un-American/unpatriotic/just a hateful old fart <--- pick the standard insult here. If it helps you manage your offense at being wrongfully labeled, well...me, too!

sugar

Look how I've been attacked here! It's amazing what the bottom of the barrel will do to hang onto their precious goodies.

Mr. 25 Cents

Does anyone know of a tax jurisdiction that allows nonresidents to vote on tax issues? Who gets to vote on the Perkins bed tax? Did the township send ballots to all of its hotel guests, and they voted yes on paying a bed tax? If you travel to Europe and you buy something, you pay a value added tax. Did you get to vote on that? If employees of Firelands Hospital want a voice in how Sandusky taxes them, they can live in the city limits. If they want to make a lucrative living off city residents without living among them, then they don't have a direct say in how the city is governed. That's a choice that they make.

Nemesis

One of the reasons this country was founded was to end taxation without representation.

sugar

Aren't you a freedom lover.

sugar

Oh can't forget to add the corrupt lawyers.

Julie R.

Something for sure is very wrong in Sandusky when 70% if not more is rental property. What is with all these rental properties, anyway? When my aunt died about a year or so ago on the very day her obituary was in the paper her son got a flood of phone calls from people wanting to buy her house on W. Madison Street to use as rental property. I also know of somebody (who incidentally works at the courthouse) that has 3 rental properties in Sandusky. I heard through the grapevine her & her spouse tried to unload one but it fell through. I heard the reason it fell through was because of "problems" with the title.

sugar

Yep charge Metro a fortune for a home they've allowed to fall to disrepair.
Higher taxes won't take care of that.

Mr. 25 Cents

The increased income taxes are specifically designated for code enforcement. So the taxes are intended, in part, to address the issue of landlords allowing their properties to fall apart.

Thomas Paine

Just offering my opinion on why housing in Sandusky is mostly rental. 1. Off street parking. Having your own garage to park your car is important to many home owners. 2. Smaller older homes that require skilled tradesman to repair them properly. 3. Utility costs on the older homes 3. Citizens view on the school district- (Dr Sanders is doing great things BTW) 4. Lack of suburban style neighborhoods. 5. Perception crime is worse in Sandusky than outlying townships villages etc. (I don't have statistics.. but as a Perkins resident myself my viewpoint is that crime is just a prevalent in the township) 6. Overall negative view of the city as a whole.

Between the cities new police and fire chiefs, the new city manager, new school super many of these things are slowly changing. They have all done a remarkable job recently of slowly changing peoples attitudes about what this area can be. I am being patient and welcome the change in attitude from the cities leaders.

Cant say enough about the land bank either. A small piece of evidence of a government program that works when combined with a centralized focus on where we want to go as a community.

Julie R.

"Can't say enough about the land bank, either."

Isn't one of your new city commissioner's, Scott Schell, also the executive director of the county land bank ....... who was hired by the county commissioners right after he was fired as the city of Sandusky's economic development specialist a few years back after a transcript emerged between him and your former city manager, Matt Kline, in which they were discussing ways "to get $100K from the city back to Eymann," which is when Kline also made a racist joke about "having to hire so many crippled black Jewish people" and Schell laughed?

(how anybody can not see right through you clowns in the city of Sandusky and the county is beyond me)

sugar

Oh some of us see.

downthemiddle

The word metro was missing in your comment.

Metro has-been a big factor in sandusky's decline.

Mr. 25 Cents

I would guess that Sandusky housing is mostly rental because if you buy a $200,000 investment property in Perkins, you probably can't charge 5 times as much rent for that property as you would for a $40,000 property in Sandusky. In other words, Perkins property is overpriced relative to its rental value, while Sandusky property is a bargain. I would also guess, and maybe somebody else actually has facts, that in the few Sandusky neighborhoods where housing prices still hover around $100,000, there's probably not much rental property.

Julie R.

If that's true, why are realtors buying fraudulently transferred properties in Huron for $120K at court-ordered scam sheriff sales that the corrupt courts know can't be sold through normal channels unless the property is put back into the correct owner's probate estate? He might have obtained it for $10,000 less than the auditor's office had it assessed for but still.

As an afterthought, he ironically got it for the very same price as the Huron appraiser ~ using properties situated in the city of Sandusky and the city of Vermilion as "comparable sales" to property situated in the city of Huron ~ appraised it for. (sure hope the joke courts didn't think I couldn't see right through that one)

Nemesis

Thomas Paine, the reason the city is mostly rental is the same as the reason why they need to raise taxes to balance the budget - demographics. Too high a percentage of the population neither works nor pays taxes. People with the values that lead employment and the creditworthiness that allows homeownership prefer to live among those who share, rather than reject those values. They want their children to have classmates whose parents share, rather than reject those values. So they avoid living where these criteria are nearly impossible to meet.

You certainly wouldn't be the first to pin messianic hopes on new leaders. Go back and read what's been said about each new leader in this community in the last decade. Leaders can't singlehandedly change the culture. Sanders can't change the fact that SCS has classrooms where the majority of students are the results of two successive generations of babies having babies. The new police chief can't change the fact that far too many residents think that being stoned all day and shooting people over minor disagreements is normal or acceptable behavior.

The city's leaders need to do everything they can to make the city unattractive to the dependent class, and attractive to the sort of sober working taxpayers who build communities.

Thomas Paine

Can't disagree with either downthemiddle or Mr 35 cents as both being contributors. Julie R. Thanks for taking one comment and trying to spin a negative about the whole thing. I could care less what Scott did in a previous job. Unless he was in prison or embezzled public money. He laughed at a tasteless comment. How horrible. I don't trust him now. I will keep this simple....I am sure nobody on here has ever laughed at an inappropriate comment...he lost his job for it. Does that automatically make him unqualified for a new job or never able to work again? Seems petty to me. Did the city hire him back no...and rightfully so. The county did because he was qualified to run the program. The land bank has done a lot of good.

Julie R.

Laughing at a racist joke was the very least of it.

To reiterate, how nobody can't see right through the clowns in the city of Sandusky and the county is beyond me.

sugar

For who?

knowitall

Vote yes

DEATHnTAXES

Sugar.

Please put your energy from here on out into forming a vote no campaign by forming a Political Action Committee. There are many taxpayers that feel the way you do about this. Look for a high profile pro-tax campaign come Sept/Oct. There needs to be a counter effort.

WhatTheHeck

Vote YES

Julie R.

Wonder if Kim Nuesse keeps up on the news in the city of Sandusky? If so, sure couldn't fault her if she laughs!

Julie R.

Back when the city of Sandusky was spending a million dollar plus on their biased, unfair corrupt old rent-a-judges and Cleveland attorneys over the firing of Nuesse for "failure to show absolute honesty," how many of the county commissioners and city commissioners (including Dennis Murray, not to mention Don Iscman) were aware at the same time that Kevin Baxter's slumlord buddy Joe Yost was stealing from the Hopper trailer park tenants, even senior citizens, and not paying the water bill?

Also, how many of you people in Sandusky actually believe that Baxter's bud Dean Holman lied when he said the city of Sandusky was good with that misdemeanor charge and the slap on the wrist Yost got from Binette? For sure he lied about the tenants, but don't ever think for one minute he lied about the city.

Also, how many of you people in Sandusky can't see the reason the city allowed Yost to get away with it for so long is so they could have an excuse to raze the trailer park? It sure will be interesting to see "who" gets that land now.

sugar

Yes it will. No more money for Meigs St Morons until they start serving their constituents.

knowitall

OK

Sanduskyloveito...

I think I love you poster "Thomas Paine"