Students should be allowed to pray in school without bullying

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May 21, 2014

I am concerned about the depreciating amount of acceptance of prayer in schools.

Not being able to pray at school is a growing problem among many middle school and high school students. It is appalling that these students’ rights are being taken away solely on the fact that not every single person in the world believes in God. Even if the students are allowed to pray most of them don’t due to bullies. The world is cruel and even crueler for teenagers with religious beliefs.

The majority of people in the U.S. are religious. In fact, 80 percent of teens in the U.S. pray on a regular basis. Based on this one fact alone, you would think that it is common sense that students would be permitted to pray. However, this is not the case.

Just because one kid in a gym class enjoys basketball and another likes to play kickball doesn’t mean that the one who prefers basketball bullies the other because of their small difference.

The same thing goes for religions; just because one child believes in God and the other does not the one who does shouldn’t get picked on for it.

Unfortunately, this isn’t how things are in today’s society. This, however, is only part of the problem. It is bad enough that fellow students discriminate against the students who pray, but adults are as well. Teachers and principals are not allowing students to pray due to complaints made by other students.

They say that it is offending other students. No, that is not the problem and if it is then there needs to be many other things banned than just simply harmless praying. Besides, there are a multitude of things that students do that offend other people but get praised for being themselves and standing out of the crowd. This is not right at all. I agree that students should not force others to pray along with them, but if they are just praying to themselves there is nothing being done wrong. As I said earlier, there are many problems such as bullying that people need to be paying attention to.

—Mariah Skaggs
Berlin Heights

Today’s letters were submitted by area high school students

Comments

thinkagain

”… students should not force others to pray along with them…

Exactly how does ANY student FORCE another to pray along with them?

I keep hearing how Christians are FORCING Jesus down people’s throats.

SamAdams
Tue, 05/20/2014 - 9:17am
“…you persist in shoving the "answers" down their throats…”

Licorice Schtick
Mon, 05/19/2014 - 3:48pm
“…ram them down the throat of others...”

Informed
Mon, 05/19/2014 - 4:50pm
“…shoved down everyone's throat...”

coasterfan
Wed, 05/21/2014 - 1:05pm
“Crammed down our throats…”

Do we hold a pistol to their head threatening to kill them if they don’t swallow Jesus? Really guys, don’t ya think you’re being a tad melodramatic? Hyperbolism is the last vestige of the irrational.

WeThePeople1965

Telling people that they are wrong for their differing opinion, and then proceeding to tell them what they do wrong in their life (as if you really know them) like a righteous saint (as if you have nothing better to do), well, explains why they think you're trying to shove it down their throat.

thinkagain

Here’s a novel idea, if you're so bound and determined to end up in the fiery pit, just skip the comment when you see the user name thinkagain.

Stop It

The fire and brimstone approach, yet again.

WeThePeople1965

Oh yes, the scare-manipulation.

WeThePeople1965

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WeThePeople1965

Why? Because I give a rational argument?

From the Grave

Hi~my name is God. I've created you in My image. I've given you FREE WILL, the same as I have. But if you don't live exactly as I want you to, I will send you to the fiery depths of HELL to live in eternity with the Devil(whom I have no apparent control over, even though I am all powerful). Did I mention that I am a loving god? Good luck!

thinkagain

" Shall the thing formed say to Him that formed it, why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor?"

God .. is .. God. He may not be the God that you want, but I hardly think he cares one iota what you think.

You want a God that will always make you happy, spreading love, rainbows and unicorns throughout the land, without asking anything in return. Brother, do you ever have a rude awakening a comin’.

Whoever told you “God is only Love” was probably smoking some really good ganja.

GOD IS HOLY! And our sin has separated us from Him.

Yes Indeed, the Father expects righteousness and holiness, but we all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.

The answer is Jesus Christ. HE is the fulfillment of God's holiness and love. God, in the form of Jesus, came to us and offered Himself as propitiation for our sins. Jesus hung on the cross because He loves us. He gives those who accept His sacrifice, victory over sin and death.

Jesus said IF we deny Him, then HE will deny us before the Father.

That's why Jesus is the key, and life's supreme question becomes, what will you do with Christ?

WeThePeople1965

If they know you're going to be 'saved' then why put them through life if they know what's going to happen. God should have destroyed earth before disease, murder, rape, etc. started happening. God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son-- so unless murder, rape, disease, etc. are 'love,' he had the power to stop it from the very beginning, and to destroy satan millions of years before certain chimpanzees and Neanderthals evolutionized into humans.

From the Grave

thinkagain, you make God sound like an abusive parent. I'll pass on your God. You're not helping spread the word by being so angry~that just pushes people more and more toward the devil.

thinkagain

You've chosen the wide path like many others.

From the Grave

Are you absolutely sure that you haven't also? Would Jesus spend time on a website criticizing and chastising people with different view than his, or would he try to spread the word of God in a positive and loving way?

jazzbo

Good point , From the Grave.

thinkagain

Yes sir, Jesus is tickled pink that his message of sin and salvation is being spread whenever, wherever.

Now I’ll ask you a question. Would your lord Satan spend his time on a website criticizing the Word of God? Don’t bother answering, we all see he does, every time a Christian comments.

If you can’t handle hearing the truth from me, read the Bible for yourself. Nothing that I’ve said isn’t in there.

From the Grave

The Lord works in mysterious ways. She Moves In Mysterious Ways too.

WeThePeople1965

I don't know how one could call satan their lord if they don't believe in one? If one doesn't believe any concept of the bible, then using it isn't proving anything to them. I would be more likely to believe a Jew.

Nemesis

So, From the Grave, your basic thesis is that God has no right not to meet YOUR expectations? That's awfully presumptious of you, don't you think?

God's world, God's rules. We weren't consulted on them, nor do we have any right to expect that we would be.

themomx6

WeThePeople1965
Wed, 05/21/2014 - 1:20pm

Telling people that they are wrong for their differing opinion, and then proceeding to tell them what they do wrong in their life (as if you really know them) like a righteous saint (as if you have nothing better to do), well, explains why they think you're trying to shove it down their throat.

^^^ Sounds exactly like the homosexual agenda!! :)

WeThePeople1965

There may be some like that, but remember, most don't shame and shun others for differing opinions.

Nemesis

Actually, most supporters of that cause do so regularly.

Nemesis

"Telling people that they are wrong for their differing opinion, and then proceeding to tell them what they do wrong in their life (as if you really know them) like a righteous saint (as if you have nothing better to do), well, explains why they think you're trying to shove it down their throat."

Really? Who on this forum has not told anyone their differing opinion is wrong? You can't express an opinion without implicitly telling those who differ they are wrong. That is the very nature of rational discourse. Why is this one category of disagreement to be characterized as coersive?

Every day, people here express statist, socialist, fascist ideas - I don't see you accusing them of shoving anything down anyone's throats - again, why is this one message characterized as coersive?

WeThePeople1965

Persuading them with the thought of Hades, and saying that a book implies that they are incorrect, is saying they are incorrect. There's no two ways of looking at it.

Statist, socialist, fascist ideators don't reference Hitler, Karl Marx or Joseph Stalin-- clearly illogical people-- for their argument because obviously they are illogical and caused more harm than good. Statist, socialist, fascist ideas don't come from a book written thousands of years ago.

Nemesis

"Persuading them with the thought of Hades, and saying that a book implies that they are incorrect, is saying they are incorrect."

Never said it wasn't. I said people tell other people they are incorrect all the time. Get over it. If you can't stand being told you're wrong, you probably shouldn't be allowed out of an institution without medical supervision.

"Statist, socialist, fascist ideators don't reference Hitler, Karl Marx or Joseph Stalin"

Actually, they paraphrase them all the time without knowing it. They also reference Mao, Woodrow Wilson, Lincoln, and others who held equally statist points of view.

"Statist, socialist, fascist ideas don't come from a book written thousands of years ago."

But they do. Ever hear of a guy named Plato?

WeThePeople1965

"Never said it wasn't. I said people tell other people they are incorrect all the time. Get over it. If you can't stand being told you're wrong, you probably shouldn't be allowed out of an institution without medical supervision."

I didn't make this a discussion over how often people disprove others opinions. I'm confident in my beliefs.

"Actually, they paraphrase them all the time without knowing it."

That doesn't make them socialist of fascist. Socialism and fascism has nothing to do with this discussion.

"But they do. Ever hear of a guy named Plato?"

Socialism has its' origins in the French Revolution. Fascism ideology came from the 1880s. This discussion is not about either.

Nemesis

"I didn't make this a discussion over how often people disprove others opinions. I'm confident in my beliefs."

Look around - this comment thread is primarily about people whose confidence is not as strong as yours and their offense at hearing competing beliefs or being told their own are wrong.

"That doesn't make them socialist of fascist. Socialism and fascism has nothing to do with this discussion."

It has everything to do with public schools.

"Socialism has its' origins in the French Revolution. Fascism ideology came from the 1880s. This discussion is not about either."

A rose, by any other name, would smell as sweet. Nothing is new, just the labels change. Both socialism and fascism are as old as history. Since we're talking about Christianity (among other things) in this thread, the early church consisted largely of socialist communes.

WeThePeople1965

Who are you to say I'm not confident? Public schools have nothing to do with this discussion either. If it happens to be, then in that case, kids should be taught all theories, and decide for themselves.

And okay then, I guess I should challenge socialists, because I have to cover all my bases if I'm going to argue about one thing.

Nemesis

I never said ANYTHING about you not being confident. You might try to read the words on the screen in front of you and not making up your own version.

Yes, ONE way to be consistent would be to challenge EVERY opinion, socialist, or otherwise, that people offer. OR you could take the far easier and enlightened route and just get over the idea of hearing differing opinions, religious or otherwise, and accept that everyone has the same right to disagree that you do. Just realize that being told you're going to hell is no different than being told you're being exploited by the 1% or being told that the music you like isn't cool, or that you're cheering for the wrong baseball team.

ContraryAnn

JESUS!!! Jesus said, as reported in Matthew 6, "5When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men.
"Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.
6 But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you."

PRAY IN PRIVATE, and no one will know you are praying so as to bully you.

ContraryAnn

yes, think again.
JESUS!!! Jesus said, as reported in Matthew 6, "5When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men.
"Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.
6 But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you."

PRAY IN PRIVATE, and no one will know you are praying so as to bully you.
Otherwise they might feel you are bullying them by 'standing on the street corner' to show your holiness.

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