Levy is the only alternative for Perkins Schools

Register
May 1, 2014

 

A question we have heard from some in our community is “why do you continue to put a levy on the ballot? We have said no”

The simple answer is because we have no alternative.

Perkins Schools will have cut almost $4.5 million from our budget over the last two years. We have had our state funding reduced by $2.5 million. We have not had an increase in local taxes in 14 years.

These issues, coupled with continued unfunded mandates from the federal and state governments, have put our district in a difficult financial situation.

With your help, we can begin to emerge from this situation. The levy value of 3.94 mills on a $100,000 home would cost the equivalent of about two trips to Starbucks per month and would allow us to continue to provide a great education for the students of our district.

We have listened to the message from our community during the past four votes. The board has reversed 3.2 mils of inside millage with the rest to be reversed in the near future. No money from this levy will be used for new facilities and all facility plans have been placed on hold.

With the input from the community at four public meetings, we have laid out specifically what would be restored with the passage of this levy. Music and art at the elementary level and reduction in play to pay fees lead the list.

The entire list of restoration is available on the district’s website.

The Ohio school funding mechanism is difficult on communities such as Perkins. It can tear communities apart. Perkins is by any measure the lowest cost school district in the county. We provide a high quality education, however, in order to continue that mission long term, we need your support.

As we move forward, we will strive to continue to listen to the community and use this input to make the best decisions for thestudents of the district and for the needs of this community. Strong schools make a strong community. Let’s continue our Perkins tradition of strong schools AND a strong community. Vote “Yes” for the Perkins Schools Levy.

Perkins Board of Education, Matthew Kosior, Terry Chapman, Bradley Mitchel, Andrew Carroll and Michael Ahner Vote for Erie MetroParks replacement levy on May 6

Comments

MP

The NO voters elected Michael Ahner to be their voice. Michael has spoken by signing the letter above. I hope the NO voters respond by listening to his words. School financing is too complicating to hold grudges. It’s time to move forward.

Thomas Paine

MP I can only hope you are correct. However, I get the feeling the same reasons for voting no will still remain. Even after board member after board member have repeatedly stated over and over again why. I am not sure if anyone else has noticed but some talented administrators, teachers and employees in the Perkins school district have all been in the paper recently applying for jobs at other districts. We are going to be left with nothing if we continue down this path. Each levy that fails leaves me one step closer to considering moving or open enrolling my kids into a different district. Unfortunately moving and selling a home in an area with a declining school district will cost me a lot more than any of the previous levies combined. I only wish the No voters would take their energy and become a solution to the real school funding problems. It starts at the top at the state level with more and more financial responsibilities being filtered down to the local level. Larger communities win, smaller ones like ourselves lose. The more and more we go to a centralized government or centralized business model of doing things the more communities like us get lost in the shuffle.

WeThePeople1965

Of course he wrote that letter. He's being paid to do it! I would vote for it, if I knew my money was going to benefit the teachers who actually do hard work, and the students, and not the top administration. I'd love to see admin salaries.

MP

Board members make about $2000 per year… then donate it back for many of the fundraisers. Its not something someone does for the money,

WeThePeople1965

Not board members, administration. Principals, superintendent. I know what board members make. Why can't top administration cut their salaries if they care so much about the kids? They're making the kids suffer.

soccermom10

Actually Perkins administrators, principals & superintendent, make less than many local school districts. For example, Margaretta pays their superintendent & their principals more than Perkins does.

WeThePeople1965

I didn't ask for a comparison.

samiam

"Perkins Board of Education, Matthew Kosior, Terry Chapman, Bradley Mitchel, Andrew Carroll and Michael Ahner Vote for Erie MetroParks replacement levy on May 6"

Why is the BOE endorsing the Metro Parks levy?

Perkins Resident

Why throw the Starbucks reference into the mix. That's a huge turn off for me. Don't tell me how to spend my money. Pathetic.

Thomas Paine

Seriously? That is what you get out of the letter from the Board? Starbucks. That whole letter, where everything everyone has been complaining about is addressed and you pick Starbucks as why you don't like the letter. C'mon.

WeThePeople1965

No, really, that's just non-chalantly suggesting how I spend my money. Please don't tell me how I'm spending my money wrong to get my vote.

Thomas Paine

And by the way if I am looking to move to a new community and I drive up and down streets and see NO TO EDUCATION signs all over the place, I will keep on driving. It is not a good image for our community. I am sure every potential superintendent when Gunner retires in 2015 has seen those signs as well. Good luck to the board in finding a quality replacement. The childish way ALL of us are acting would embarrass our parents and grandparents if they could see it. And its embarrassing to anyone thinking about living here.

Perkins Resident

I still haven't made up my mind which way I'll vote yet, but these signs came up in a conversation when some out of towners came to visit. After my wife and I explained both sides of the levy to the out of town visitors, they said they would vote no. To top it off, they were both retired teachers.

Thomas Paine

Of course they would vote no too, they probably got the most negative review they could possibly get of the school district and one point of view. I don't agree with some of the things this district has done either. But this letter addresses everything the no voters have discussed. Combine that with a new board member and Gunner retiring what else can they do? The bigger issue and it will continue to get worse is whats happening at the state level. We have compounded that mess with being stubborn and holding grudges as a community. Its time to move on and do what is right. If its possible to turn off the negative switch for 2 minutes, I hope everyone will read this letter without their VOTE NO blue glasses on.

Perkins Resident

I also showed them previous and current articles with the comments on this site. Comments like yours were a turn off to them. Just a heads up.

Thomas Paine

Not sure what I said that's a turn off and I apologize if I have a hard time with all the negativity. I have a hard time believing you didn't start reading the board letter with a sigh and saying here we go again, if the only thing picked out of the letter is Starbucks. Just my opinion that it is not the best way to go reading a letter with an open mind. I also find it hard to believe you haven't already decided to vote no. Obviously both of these are based solely on observations and interpreting your comment(s). Starting the conversation with a negative comment is going to get a negative reaction. Instead of saying; Hey, they moved inside millage, they are not building, they lowered the millage, they are lowering pay to play, they are brining back some programs that people have asked for; you started by being irritated they mentioned Starbucks. (I actually agree its a stupid thing to mention) but I didn't take it as a negative of someone telling me where I can spend my money or the only thing to comment on about the letter. I chose to notice the effort the board is making to listen to us.

Thomas Paine

As a community we are punishing ourselves, the staff of the district, the students, and hurting any possibility of future growth instead of punishing the state for pushing toward privatizing public education, funneling money into ECOT, and charter schools which perform at a MUCH lower level than public schools. My point is we are fighting ourselves instead of who we should be fighting- Columbus. I hope people will see that before 2017 when the district will most certainly be beyond repair.

samiam

Some are voting no because they just don't have the money for an increase; their well has run dry. Everything has increased (gasoline, food, utilities, insurance, etc.) except their wages.

Thomas Paine

I don't think anyone is faulting those no votes at all. At least I hope not. I for one am not. And if my comments come across that way I apologize in advance. This is also why Ohio school funding has been voted unconstitutional, yet nothing has been done about it. Its time to redirect the focus to Columbus instead of ourselves. We have wasted too much time fighting each other. A community our size is at a HUGE disadvantage when it comes to school funding when compared to larger districts. When I say enough is enough its directed to the state and federal levels to stop killing the middle class.

Smoke

So,just because administrators, teachers and employees in the Perkins school system are not happy and may leave the area I'm suppose to fork over more money.I say let them leave.How many of us tax payers are happy with our jobs?This is just another blackmail ploy and they are going nowhere.This all comes down to them wanting more money.

arcman033

You and your unions spent millions making sure SB5 was repealed. Kasich made it very clear that if it was repealed that he would cut funding to schools. You teachers made your own bed now lay in it. Make cuts!!! How about you take pay cuts!! Give up your summer pay!!! Get a part time job. Vote No!!! Enough is enough!! Out with the old teachers, in with the new!

Informed

Teachers don't get "summer pay". They can have their annual salary divided up into 12 months of payments. Huge difference.

Maggdi

That's very true Informed. It's also true that not many of them have to find a job for the two months they are not working. I wouldn't mind working those grueling 12hr days knowing I would have a month and a half off and sick days and personal days.
Don't get me wrong, it's not my chosen vocation and I have as much admiration for those who do a good job. And hopefully they aren't stranded in some 'nightmare' district that prevents them for having their true skills utilized and explored.

Smoke

If the school is solvent to 2017 why should I give them more of my hard earned money now?

Thomas Paine

Well for one the state comes in and moves the millage to state average I believe. Need someone with more knowledge to confirm that is the procedure? I do know Perkins is well below the state average. Anybody commenting have those figures? All I know is the longer we wait the more money it costs us later. I fall into the reluctant pay now or pay later yes voters as I wait for more and more schools to hammer Columbus to fix funding. We aren't the only school going through this, we are however the only school district I know of that has a such a negative no campaign.

Thomas Paine

Smoke

Its not about being happy its about opportunity and being able to do their job as its designed. The more and more funding that is cut and the more state requirements that are added daily the less they can focus on doing their job- educating. Many will leave and take lower paying jobs elsewhere so they can reasonably do what they were hired to do without being treated like some kind of villain. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I disagree it is blackmail. It is obviously about wanting more money or they wouldn't be asking for a levy. Funding is down considerably on both local and state sides. With the current situation in Columbus its falls to us to make up the difference. Unfair? Yes. Am I willing to destroy the school system on the local level to make a point? No. Am I willing to continually pound legislators on the state level about it? Absolutely.

Arcman033. Out with old teachers and in with the new solves nothing. The rules are the same with both groups. Sooner or later nobody is going to want to work here with a community that treats its school district and employees like a horde of lepers. Dig deeper into Kasich and you will see public dollars being moved to private company accounts that cannot be audited by the state auditor(also a republican who opposes this). A lot of crooked things going on with Kasich. Before you argue that I am a liberal or Democrat or whatever the typical comeback is, I am not- moving public funds to private company is not the Republican party I belong to. You will also see funds for Charter schools, private schools and ECOT went up as public school funding went down. SB5 or no SB5 its a bunch of political pandering that once again hurts small communities. It doesn't matter which party it is, both sides are doing this to us on a state and federal level.

WeThePeople1965

The teachers aren't even paid as much as their workload. It's the admins that need salary cuts.

Babo

Also, need to look at why the system employs double dipping retired teachers as administrators or in other positions. Certainly these are jobs that could go to a younger person with fresh ideas and at a lower pay rate. It also encourages retention of good young teachers as they have a chance at a career and don't have to go elsewhere.

observer

I'm going to vote yes this time. The BOA has one last chance to prove to me I can trust them. We shall see.

Manowar

It pains me to hear the comments most people say about Perkins School and the reasons they have for voting against the school levy. The majority have no idea what Board members are doing, the efforts they have made, etc. I would guess most couldn't explain what they would be voting against. The Perkins school board needs a marketing department. All the public has to go on is what they read in the paper. The board has done a poor job of explaining the what's happening in the district. I have read several articles from them and just don't get it. I don't live in Perkins but I wouldn't vote for the school levy if I did. Seems like a bunch of haters confusing things to me, guess it worked, too bad for the kids and the staff at Perkins that have put their heart and sole into their jobs. Just my Opinion, so don't hate on me.

goodtime1212

NO money from THIS levy will go for new facility. That's what we are afraid of. They moved money around after we told them no last time, I do believe no NEW levy money will go to the new school. But the money will come from someplace and that's what they are not talking about. There should be no new school, the voter have said NO. Until they talk about what there plane is for this huge project we will always be NO. There is no trust .

Whiskey Tango F...

Re: Thomas Paine...
Sadly enough, most people commenting here have never even heard about "common sense" or the role that it played during the revolution. Nor have they probably heard of Aesop of any of the fables. Sadly enough it is the company that you keep that prevents you from passing levies. Their reputation precedes them!

A scorpion and a frog meet on the bank of a stream and the scorpion asks the frog to carry him across on its back. The frog asks, “How do I know you won’t sting me?” The scorpion says, “Because if I do, I will die too.”

The frog is satisfied, and they set out. But in midstream, the scorpion stings the frog. The frog feels the onset of paralysis and starts to sink, knowing they both will drown, but has just enough time to gasp “Why?”

Replies the scorpion: “It’s my nature…”

For these reasons and many others I think the majority will vote NO.

Finn Finn

Thomas, your numerous comments ARE a turn off. Continuously throwing around the word "negativity" every time someone says they intend to vote no, no matter what their reason, is manipulative, not to mention annoying. You have an answer for EVERYTHING with nine comments out of 20 posted. You are no doubt one of those "yes" voters, who has voted yes every time, and will continue to vote yes no matter what. You pretend to be so level headed yet you are just as bad as the people who always vote No. Your Pollyanna attitude is not changing any minds, it's only making it easier to vote No.

Doody

No is a negative...just saying...oh,and I want no part of this conversation, I'm just here for the funny grammar and spelling....#publicschooleducated

sugar

I believe Thomas Paine is the same person from last fall who posted in the same style, who was for the levy. TP someone posted there would be no votes due to financial concerns, you say you don't blame them for a no vote, yet have no mercy for them should the levy pass. And Starbucks stuck out at me also, I don't go to Starbucks weekly, ever, it is too expensive, and the analogy is condescending.

Thomas Paine

The system should a levy pass does not show mercy. Its what is wrong with the system. That doesnt change facts the the school needs to be funded and this is the system they have to work with. And I was a yes voter last levy and this one. I was a no voter prior. Once again if its financial reasons I understand completely. This letter addresses everything that can be addressed that is a reasonable request. Making coffee the reason you are upset offers nothing of value to the debate of what direction you want the district to go. That is what I take issues with.

queenjhb

, I don't go to Starbucks twice a week, nor can I afford the tax increase, why not all yes voters pay for this levy and leave the rest of us out of this. Those that can should ,those that can't comfortably afford this increase, or chose not to, should be free to decline. No one is stopping yes voters from filling the coffers for this .

Thomas Paine

Finn Finn. I am sorry you feel that way. But for the record not that its any of your business I was a no voter for multiple Levys when the previous board wanted to build Taj Mahal. No way this community could afford the upkeep after it was built. I was ticked when they moved the millage. Slower than they should have but the no voters got the message across and the board has eased expectations. After attending some board meetings I was a little more comfortable this past levy and am even more so now. By no means do I know everything and I have stated that before. The system for funding is broken and both sides need to fix it now rather than later. The negativity I have mentioned are the no signs all over town. We are the only community I have ever heard of doing something like that. My opinion only The signs are petty and not an image our community should be proud of. They portray our community in a very poor manner.

Wald

All that negativity stems from the superintendent. Vote no 'till Gunner goes.

MP

Gunner is done in 2015… he’s all ready announced it. However, as Thomas Paine has stated, who will want to come here?

Maggdi

Sorry Tom. When I add up All the taxes ( Federal, State, FICA, Municipal, Property), fees and surcharges I pay every year and look at what I have in my pocket at the end of the year and find out that I have worked 3 months out of 12 to pay them, I get a little puckered up when someone tries to convince me that what I already worked for wasn't enough.

goodtime1212

The NO Signs are the tax payers showing there support for what they believe in, they went to the poles, voted NO several times, the BOE and Mr. Gunner did not listen or care.

MP

Did you read the letter? We elected these guys. They are trying to explain WHY!

lifetimeresident

Have always been a YES VOTER but I was hoping to give it a break for at least one year. Why keep shoving this issue down the tax payers throat. Would of been very wise to wait until 2015 to bring this on the ballot.

Maggdi

To this point; Does anyone here know how much it costs to put something on the ballot? 'Cause it ain't free....

MP

May and November elections are no cost to the district.

MP

Did you read the letter? We elected these guys. They are trying to explain WHY!

they do not have the luxury to hope

goodtime1212

The NO signs are the taxpayers showing there support for what they believe in. They went to the poles, voted NO several times but the BOE and Mr. Gunner did not care.

Nam Vet

Maybe when old Gunner takes his paycheck to the bank and pays off the 3,000,000 dollar loan I might vote yes. Till then he can stick it. And the rich board members can help him pay the loan too. Till then I'm VOTING NOOOOOOOOOOO.

SanduskyGuardian

I can see that I am not the only person offended by BH, now Thomas Paine, telling us that if we can or do enjoy a decent cup of coffee now and then we should be willing to commit to funding Gunner's palace for the next 20 years, fountains and all. It is simply incredible Chutzpah, to infer that minor luxuries should be eliminated to pay for the mismanagement of the prior board, which has some members still present on the current board. How many cups of coffee would the 3 million dollars wasted on design plans, plans made AFTER THE NEW SCHOOL LEVY WAS REJECTED, how many Dinner and a movie, how many 6 packs of Strohs, how many packs of cigarettes, would that have paid for? How many cups of latte equal the amount of money the board silently pulled from education to build a stadium after claiming the boosters had it covered, how many cups of coffee do you owe us for that. We are just sick and tired of the trite tropes and condescending arrogance of Gunner, the board, his chief un-employed minion mouthpiece. And if Gunner ever did give us back all the cups of Starbucks that he owes us, how long would it take for some more to magically appear, that just happened to be overlooked beforehand to save the sky from falling when a levy isn't approved. Not a single levy supporter who has spoken out has been honorable, upstanding and truthful, not a surprise at all that the pro-levy people are the ones who stole the votes at the Soldier and Sailor's home. It is the same lies over and over "We haven't had an increase in funds since 1664" as if the revenue and budget has not changed and taxes didn't increase alongside home prices and the total property value with the development of the township. LIES.LIES.LIES, but none compare with the lie of Gunner promising to move to the district. Are we supposed to trust him now? Just do us one favor and quit telling us what we are allowed to buy with our money or how much $100 buys today, we already know, we actually earned our money.

Wald

+1

Perkins Resident

+2

goodtime1212

well said.

Bherrle

For the record, although I agree with a lot of what he says, BH and Thomas Paine are two different people.

Thomas Paine

Sandusky Guardian

Funny thing is I am not offended you have a different opinion than my own. I can disagree with you without being offended. It doesn't appear others can. I will argue that nothing in the boards letter implies where you spend your money whatsoever. Its a comparison of what it will cost. Not a statement to change your habits. Also my opinion but it appears coffee is only thing in that letter to complain about, since everything no voters have fought so hard to accomplish is being addressed in the letter. Coffee.

However, I am offended by "Not a single levy supporter who has spoken out has been honorable, upstanding and truthful" You have no idea who I am. And I don't know you. Not once have I said you weren't honorable, upstanding or truthful. I have disagreed with some of your statements. Big difference. I have called some of you negative. I have also called the signs out in yards petty. Three things define a community- Jobs, Housing, and School districts. All of you have the right to put up the signs, I also have the right to call them tacky and a disservice to our community on so many levels other than the school district.

For Queenjhb, magdi, and samiam and any others in their situation voting no is understandable. Their reason is simple and based on their truths and you cant argue with their logic. I will and can argue with facts that the schools income has gone down even with property value changing and like everyone else costs have gone up. School funding is complicated. Schools are extremely limited on how they can raise funds to offset a downward income and rising costs. Cuts have been made. As cuts are being made new federal and state mandates are being implemented. Adding more costs. The State of Ohio is completely screwed up on how they handle funding education. Blaming Perkins or any other school is pointless. It does nothing other than making everyone in our community mad at each other. Once again pushing levies based on property value to fund education has been ruled unconstitutional in the State of Ohio. And nothing has been done about it for years. That's the only change that can happen to stop the schools from coming back again in August if this levy fails. In the mean time if the state does come in and take over the schools we will all regret it. And before somehow that statement is turned into some kind of threat, it is not, it is reality. Go to the state and look it up if you don't trust the board.

SanduskyGuardian

You forgot to threaten us with having to merge with Sandusky if we don't give you your 50 million for your school. Actually that is a pretty hollow threat at this point since to pay for laptops for every kid Gunner already brought Sandusky to us (open enrollment, fleshing out each and every classroom with Sandusky's top children). And people actually have a good idea who you are, all a person has to do is go to a meeting and see the guy who keeps looking up at Gunner with glowing milky warm eyes. We get your new tack, it is we are supposed to be mad at Columbus for the unconstitutional funding of schools and hand over all of money for the Perkins Versailles without holding the board accountable for all their waste.

Thomas Paine

Ill respond later. In the drive thru at Starbucks getting my coffee.

queenjhb

Thomas Paine, you could've donated that money to Gunner, too bad your own advice didn't stick.

SanduskyGuardian

You know what I might actually fall for? If Gunner does a speech, begging for all the money, and then as theatrics balls up the blueprints of his new campus and declares that the new building is off the table, if Perkins passes the levy that him and the board promises there will be no more talk of a new school, no further attempts to build the school and no more money spent designing a new school. If he could promise that he would actually win. I would also have him declare that this is the last levy, that they suddenly respect the voters, respect democracy (although it is ok to manipulate our fragile heroes at OVA and deprive them of the voting process that some of them became disabled while defending), they respect the fact that the voters have spoken and if we pass this levy there will be no more levies, no more manipulation, no more games with pay to play, that if we pass the levy we will not have any more votes on the levy.

Thomas Paine

The first part could be possible. The second part of no more levies will never happen. It is an unreasonable request. Without major changes. 5 years from now there will be another one even if we pass this one. It is inevitable with how the current funding system is set up. You can be angry about it and continue to vote against any levy. That's your choice. But the need for levies will never change unless our State does. Mentioning the State as the major issue (This does not exclude multiple issues with our districts board, and super which there are many) is not something new its been said on here before during other levy campaigns. Talk to other districts all of them will say the same thing: our state system is horrible. Mentioning the state is not a vote yes or vote no for the Perkins levy campaign speech. Its just information to understand why the schools keep coming back year after year month after month. Maryland spends about the same amount of money as we do per student yet are ranked near the top of education annually. We are near the middle. We should look to implement a similar system as Maryland or other Atlantic Coast states which annually perform better than we do. If you are interested on doing some reading on their system here is a link. http://www.marylandeducators.org... It would create less of a burden on smaller lower income communities. Just food for thought.

MrGadfly

Thomas,

There are four remaining members of the school board from the last four "no" votes. The superintendent is still employed by the school system. These individuals are tainted. A large portion of the community does not trust these individuals.

The superintendent says he is retiring. The school board has rehired many administrators who have previously retired. The community does not trust the board not to follow their same tendency.

Why don't the four old school board members offer their resignation to help pass the levy? Are they interested in moving the school system forward or just protecting their legacies ?

I respect the community members that have "no" levy signs in their yards. They are not afraid of backlash from school administration and employees. They are taking an active role in the future of their community. They are not apathic. They are not mindless drones that blindly follow the will those in charge. You should applaud these community minded individuals not ridicule them. They are not against education. They are against education mandated by those they don't trust.

MP

In the November elections, the candidate receiving the highest number of votes, running on a NO platform, was Michael Ahner. Number two votes was long time incumbent Terry Chapman, beating out another NO candidate, Jay Franklin.
After looking at the situation and understanding the complexities of school finance, the NO voter, Michael Ahner is giving a message to all those the that voted for him. His actions are saying vote FOR the 3.9mil levy- that is what the school and community need.

Thomas Paine

MP

It is a conspiracy. Michael Ahner wouldn't sign that if he wasn't paid. Michael Ahner was coerced into signing it. If Franklin had won they wouldn't ask for this levy because they really don't need more funds. Its all a lie. Gunner forced them to sign it for his own dubious purposes. Next thing we know they will be serving Soylent Green to students for lunch.

Thomas Paine

I applaud them not following like mindless drones however, and this is my opinion there are better ways to show your disapproval then putting a sign in your yard for future residents looking at buying in the area, or future employees looking to moving to the area to see. It sends the wrong message about who we are as a community. So I disagree, I should applaud how they are not being mindless drones. I don't understand what a new board is going to accomplish when they will have to follow the same rules as the old one. I have already heard people griping about Ahner. We have had several new board members in the 14 years a levy hasn't passed. Each levy there is a new reason why people don't want to vote for it. This whole thing is a never ending cycle if we don't fix what is causing the cycle. Change may be needed at the local level as well but nothing will be different if change isn't made at the state level dictating what local elected BOE members and local supers and educators can do. As far as mistrust take that mistrust to a higher level and I would be happy to be part of that group and go after and force the state to change how we are taxed. The local effort is pointless and damaging to our community. You are just going to replace people you mistrust with more people you will mistrust in the future. We have already done that for 14 years.

Perkins Resident

Same can be said for vote yes signs. Those signs could change the mind of a potential home buyer who does not like high taxes. See how dumb that sounds Thomas? Those with vote no signs are exercising their rights as Americans. Period. Just as you feel your opinion is correct on they levy, they feel the same. Don't belittle those with vote no signs and those against the levy shouldn't belittle those with vote yes signs. Respect each others opinions and let the vote decide.

sugar

What new residents? Where are these people coming from? Downtown Sandusky? There is no one coming to Sandusky or Perkins because there is no draw, no well paying jobs. No jobs that can pay the taxes you want. You're insane.

Thomas Paine

Unfortunately I have never heard of anyone looking into moving to a community that is upset by signs supporting its school district. In fact its the first thing many people ask about when moving: How are the schools? I don't care if you have a vote no sign to anything else around the community. Vote no signs for something as vital to the community as the schools is unheard of. Only in Perkins. Once again just my opinion. I think its fair on my end to say I will agree to disagree. Respecting and disagreeing are two different things.

Finn Finn

Many people will agree to disagree with you Mr. Paine. The No signs no doubt galvanized many who thought it was hopeless to try to oppose the school district's ability to put endless levies on the ballot until they finally get what they want. Many folks saw they weren't alone in their feelings and gained the confidence to say out loud that they were indeed voting no and weren't going to be bullied. Many people like YOU try to shame others into voting Yes on a school levy with your BS PRONOUNCEMENTS that those who vote No aren't "supporting their school district" and quite frankly, it sounds like you're P.O. that it didn't work this time.

oldpirate

I would like to hear from the no voters what their plans are to take the school forward and how they plan to pay for it. Don't say just live within your means because with school funding the way it is and unfunded mandates all the time that is not a reality. Even if you ignore it finances will only get more expensive. Tell me otherwise.

Ralph J.

VOTE NO!! There are other alternatives. VOTE NO!!

fredinperkins

I certainly have a trust issue with the decision makers at Perkins Schools but I do agree with Thomas Paine. State funding cuts, unfunded mandates and the total disregard for the state supreme court ruling on funding are a few issues.

We are not the ONLY school district in the state that have these issues. There are over 600 districts in the state. Each one is administered by a superintendent, who usually holds a Doctorate degree, a school board which usually consists of members of the professional sector and a "treasurer" who has a certificate. If ALL of them lobbied to set up a "meeting of the minds" if you will with the Governor, perhaps that would have more of an impact than kicking the proverbial can down the road. Continuing to ask cash strapped community members for money until "THEY" resolve the funding issue is not the complete answer.

SanduskyGuardian

Don't fall for this nonsense. This talk of funding and Columbus is just deflection. Gunner has instructed his people to blame all the faults and shortages on the funding scheme and hope that people will begin to believe that our problems were begun and caused by budget cuts from Columbus. We were dealing with the cuts, we had a cash reserve, then Gunner began buying laptops and tossing around million dollar bills for things like the stadium. The issue is fiscal mismanagement by the board who have been mesmerized by Gunner, the issue is not some state level nonsense that we can neither affect or alter, we can control what is done in Perkins. Do not allow the Gunner-bots to make this about funding. It is malfeasance.

SanduskyGuardian

Come on folks, let's not pretend that we don't know what we are talking about. You go to the public meetings, at the school or the back room of the pizza parlor, they feel you out, if they like you you start getting their secret e-mail and get to go to meetings. Remember how he stood there and gave careful instruction how the "Register Team", that glorious 5 of you chosen to defend the Levy against the newspaper and the "no Bloggers", how you were "free" to mention that there is distrust, you are "ok" mentioning that there were problems in the past, that they can even "lean on" the captain, if doing so will give them credibility and the appearance of neutrality, then the blame must be shifted on Columbus and people compelled to vote yes to rescue their schools from the State. Look at every single pro levy post on here and you will see they follow the formula that their master directed them to use.

fredinperkins

I personally am not "falling" for any smoke and mirrors. Funding and Columbus may be a deflection but it is real. That is why I suggest that all the school districts of Ohio powers that be venture to Columbus on behalf of the STUDENTS and THE TAXPAYER. If they will not or can not then that reinforces your point.

Thomas Paine

Thank you Fredinperkins. And agree if districts arent getting together it does reinforce sanduskyguardians point. Regardless of what people assume here I can just as quickly switch to no vote if there is new information that warrants it. Right now unless there is some reasonable alternative to this current levy that is presented the letter from the board addressed issues I have had in addition to the other information I have gathered and knowing funding in this state is less than stellar I will vote for it. I want to hear ideas that are based on facts and knowledge of school funding.

observer

Brad Herrle, why did you change your screen name?

sugar

That's the name! Brad Herrle! Lol TP is BH!

Bherrle

Wrong.

Finn Finn

Yes, he is. Otherwise, he would be on here spouting (under Bherrle instead of ThomasPayne) his "it's the school funding system that needs correcting" talking point, as if saying it somehow puts money in the pockets of those folks who can't afford any new taxes.

Bherrle

Don't quit your day job Finn , a detective you are not.

Bherrle

I didn't.

Thomas Paine

If you dont believe Columbus is a problem ask any other districts. Call their BOE you will get the same song and dance. Talk to Mr Ahner. By now he has seen reality too. He may paint a completely different picture of what is really going on than what he thought was happening going into this job.Dont listen to me. Dont listen to sanduskyguardian. Dont listen to any anonymous bloggers. Get your own answers from sources you know arent biased. If you still vote yes or vote no that is fine. Its why we have elections. Life goes on pass or fail.

Thomas Paine

All I ask are where are the ideas? Where do you want the district to be in 5 years? How are we getting there? Neither side has effectively answered those questions. At least this time around it appears the board is listening and doing what it can that is reasonable and within the confines of reality.

underthebridge

A few years ago, there were parents who were willing to work on the school funding issue. What happened to them?

MrGadfly

Mr. Paine,

Your solution is pass on the cost of education to the state. Where does the state generate their money? Yep, from the same people that provide money to local government institutions like schools. So rather than take money out of my right pocket to pay local taxes you want me to take money out of my left pocket to pay the state. It's still coming out of my pocket. I would much rather control the purse strings at a local level where my voice is heard.

Thomas Paine

Look at Marylands way of funding. They spend similar dollars per student, perform better, and lower income smaller communities pay less out of their pocket. The current system we have puts a heavy burden on the local tax base which results in blogs like this all over districts like us. With less better paying jobs here and universal mandates from the federal and state level costing more and more money in my opinion leaving the burden on you and I is not the right answer. If you look at the state closely public school funds are being diverted to charter schools, ECOT and others. Effectively putting our public dollars in private hands which you have zero say over. Thats what all of us should be upset about.

oldpirate

Gadfly, You don't control anything. The state takes a good portion of your school taxes and gives the to so called less fortunate districts.
Even choosing to not support the levy will end up costing you to dig deeper into your pockets at a later date. That is a fact you can't escape. Your stand on principle solves nothing.

MrGadfly

oldpirate,

I have a fixed amount of money at my disposal. Do you want me to work a second job so the schools have all the bells and whistles? Is that what you expect everyone to do? Is that how you want people to dig deeper into their pockets?

Here is a fact you can't escape. I have no more money. I have nothing left but principle.

MrGadfly

Mr. Paine,

Good luck telling our state what to do. Have you decided to run for state representative or governor? Are you saying that our state should divert funds from lower income areas to support more bells and whistles for Perkins? I think you may run into little problem with minorities on your concept.

I can see the headlines… Perkins citizens fight helping poor school districts so they have more money for themselves.

Yep, that will go over big.

Thomas Paine

Considering we are a low income district you completely misunderstood my comments.Look at how many kids in the district get free and reduced lunches. But thanks for twisting them around. I get some of the no voters have no more money to give. Its also a fact that if a levy doesnt eventually pass it will get even more expensive. Nobody wants more taxes. Nobody. But school funding is not one of the taxes you can avoid. Eventually the state comes in and forces you to pay them. At a much higher millage. Its a fact. So if its control you want in a screwed up system now is the time to choose less taxes. 2-5 years from now without changes at the state level the path currently chosen costs us more. You can choose not to believe that but its a fact. This is one of the reasons ohios school funding has been ruled unconstitutional.

MrGadfly

oldpirate,

Since you know how everyone should spend there money please fill us in with your wisdom.

Here are some of the local government agencies that continue to request money from taxpayers on a never ending basis.

schools, police, fire, health department, metro parks, roads

Now remember you do not have unlimited funds and if you don't support them now it will cost you more in the future. Please list your priorities.

We all are all waiting on pins and needles for your expert direction.

oldpirate

Gadfly Buy your own island, declare sovereignty and pay taxes to your self.

oldpirate

oh and buy the way you will pay more whatever you do or don't do!

Thomas Paine

Gadfly the common denominator behind all of the local agencies requesting more money are state and federal mandates. Reduce the mandates and give the local agencies and schools say where federal and state dollars recieved go based on things that make sense here not in DC or Columbus.

Thomas Paine

Your comment does bring up a question of my own... Schools the state comes in and forces a higher millage...do any of the other local agencies have something similar? Would be interested to find out.

Thomas Paine

On a side note I really wish we had an organized no contingent that could go after the state and federal level. It would accomplish so much more by eliminating waste so we can use the local, state, and federal dollars more efficiently. I do agree with the no side on so many things I just think they are aiming too low. Replacing board members, super or anybody else is like putting new tires on a Pinto. Its still a Pinto when you are done.

MrGadfly

When old pirate is confronted with common sense he wilts. When someone doesn't bend to his bullying tactics he has no response. Kind of reminds me of the present administration of the school system.

Now, Thomas Paine replies with sensible thoughts. If you can come up with a way to keep our money and self determination from the grips of the state and federal government I'm ready to join your team. The problem is the state and federal government will put you in prison for that type of rebellion.

Maybe I do need my own island.

Thomas Paine

We may both need our own island. Although I still think that where we live now can be fixed in a civil manner. Maybe I am naive though. But I like to think it can be done.

oldpirate

Common sense is to actively support community and make the best of a bad situation. Your community is not going away and it is the taxpayers responsibility to insure that the needs of public services are met. Your dream of going back to the good old days is not realistic. We all pay for the good of OUR community. Tired of the whole bully thing when someone points out where your concept falls short.

Thomas Paine

Old Pirate. While I agree we should support the community and paying taxes is part of that beating people up that consistently say I have no more money isnt going to help. So I can understand Gadfly and others that flat out say I have no more. What I dont get is those that can pay but refuse to see or listen to why the school needs to pass a levy. I dont get the people who find the smallest thing to complain about all the time and offer no way to fix the reason why the school is doing this. I dont understand the people who are upset that we have had a levy every election. There will be another in august if this doesnt pass. I dont get the people who think changing board members is magically going to change facts about school funding. The more we argue and dont fix the why the more we divide the community.

oldpirate

Ignoring the need will only result in those who have No More having to pay even more in the end. The Gov or any elected official has no desire to tackle the school funding mess. They only offer lip service.The no voter is delusional about the schools having total control over spending. Just the fact the so much of our local taxes go to the LESS FORTUNATE districts as well as unfunded mandates.

Thomas Paine

Then thats what we need to force legislature to tackle. Force the state to listen. Its worked on the local level. Look at this board letter compared to previous admins. It may be a bad example but a focused group can accomplish a lot. On a non government scale it made the NFL keep the Browns name in Cleveland. We seem to organize and do it for non essential things why cant we do it for important things like education. If a movement started and every district got together with its local voters things could change.

Ralph J.

I recall old pirate chastising an older widow who could not afford medical care or medicines and was trying to sell her house before it went into foreclosure and was only offered about half of what it was appraised for property taxes. If I recall correctly, old pirate called her selfish. I wonder if that widow is still alive or was booted out of her home. VOTE NO!!

oldpirate

Don't recall all that. With that said I don't care what you think. Despite what your financial situation is, any ones choice to not pass this levy will result in increased costs to all involved. This includes me. The choice to ignore the situation solves nothing. Voting no changes nothing only prolongs it.You can't escape the tax man and that is reality.

MrGadfly

oldpirate,

First, I ask you to prioritize by importance all the local government organizations that rely on taxpayer dollars but I have not received a reply. Why?

Second, we are not ignoring the situation as you imply. We are trying to make a valued decision with the funds available to us.

Third, you are correct, at this time, we cannot escape the taxman but we still have the ability to control how much and where the money is spent.

The community said "no" to a $100 million dollar extravagant expenditure. Remember the fountain? The community then said "no" to moving money ,designated by them, from the general fund to a building fund. If this event would have occurred the general public would have abdicated any further control over new buildings. Are you suggesting we give up those rights and responsibilities ?

I will fight tooth and nail the loss of public input into government taxation. If you don't agree, then you might as well just hand over all your property and money right now. Remember, "You can't escape the tax man and that is reality". So when are you giving up your property and rights ?

Thomas Paine

Gadfly I agree with you on almost everything you just posted. But I think we are quietly losing local control of costs while we fight each other. I read an article recently that our country is no longer a democracy but an oligarchy. I honestly believe continuing to vote no (I have no argument on the building and millage- I was a no voter then too) on the local level is a waste of resources. My view on this levy is voting yes now keeps the costs at bay for maybe 5 years giving people time to go after higher levels of government to get control back. If we don't do something about the massive centralizing of government and business neither the yes or no votes mean much of anything. If you haven't seen the article its interesting. http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2...

Finn Finn

"My view on this levy is voting yes now keeps the costs at bay for maybe 5 years giving people time to go after higher levels of government to get control back."

The more you talk Rherrle, the more you p_ss people off, just like you did the last time on this blog. Your repetitive, mind-numbing comments like the one above about passing it now to keep the "costs at bay" is YOUR opinion sir, and a load of c_ap. And then, when the District comes knocking again in 5 years asking for more money, you will then blame the citizenry for not "going after higher levels of government to get control back." Your tactics are ridiculous and transparent. But keep talkin' BH/TP, keep talkin'.

Thomas Paine

Finn Finn. I am not the one who is upset. I am sorry my view upsets you. Its just my view. Like you we both go to the polls and we both can believe what we want to believe. I am not forcing you to do anything you don't want to do, nor am I trying to bully you or pull the wool over your eyes, deceive or have any kind of hidden agenda. Everything I believe and why is here. I have voted no in the past, learned some things along the way and feel the current plan and even the previous one offered, while not perfect were reasonable. I am offering a different opinion than your own which is not a coercion tactic. Its meant to open up a discussion and debate about how to fix things. I assume we both want a good school district? If you don't then having this conversation is pointless. I don't think your opinion is a load of c_ap. I do think how you approach people with a different view however is. It is difficult to have a discussion when both sides think they are right and automatically assume there is some hidden agenda. Both sides have some truth to them and its going to take both sides to fix it. Until then the conversation continues. I am pretty confident we will be having this same discussion in August. And I can guarantee you that the schools will come back again in 5 years if it passes. Guarantee it. Its the nature of the current broken system. I also sincerely hope either side is not voting just to spite the other side. For me voting is emotionless. I may be passionate about my opinion but it doesn't mean its right. I am looking and willing to engage in a conversation as to why my opinion is wrong. Prove to me why I am wrong and I will gladly listen do a good enough job and I will change my opinion. Telling me its a load of c_ap doesn't convince me I am wrong or offer any reason for me to think about my opinion or change it. I want a real debate. One where both of us learn something and come away with knowledge and respect for each others opinions. One where we can find a consensus and move on. If having an intelligent discussion p_sses people off so be it. All I am asking for is real reasons other than things based on emotion as to why I should vote no and if I do where are we going with the district. Once again respecting your opinion and agreeing with it are two different things. I don't expect everyone to agree with mine. I enjoy the conversations because If I only surround myself with people I agree with I never will never learn anything new. And oddly enough I agree with some of your views from earlier. Take this post however you want.

Thomas Paine

For those that say I cant afford anymore. Please vote no. But don't be upset If I can afford it and vote yes. My mind numbing repetitive comments show up again. Under the current system small communities across Ohio are all struggling. All I ask is what needs to be done to fix the divide and make the system more equitable? Change school funding? School Income tax? County Schools versus district? Merging districts? I don't know what the answer is but its out there somewhere. Just voting yes or just voting no just perpetuates the real issues. My viewpoint may be different than most but just no or just yes do not work for me.

Finn Finn

You are way too long winded. No one wants to read your opinion repeated in countless different ways. Take that for what it is worth. Not trying to insult you, just educate.

What you would like people to do is vote Yes on this levy, and thennnnnnn, find a different solution to school funding. My opinion is that you are not really interested in finding a solution to the so-called school funding problem, you just want to throw observations out, repeat them, confront people to find a another solution, and if they have no ideas, well then, so be it. Pay up and shut up.

Many people feel that school districts' budgets are out of control. Between high teacher salaries, teacher pensions and benefits, administration salaries, ENDLESS NEW PROGRAMS that need funding, over abundance of athletic programs, unnecessary aides and personnel, there is no way in h_ll there will ever be enough tax revenue, local, county or state, to FUND IT ALL. But in this day and age, the attitude seems to be "well, that's just the way it is. Deal with it. Fork it over. We have to have this and we have to have that." Well, it's simply not possible anymore. The overburdened taxpayer simply can't afford it. What is it about that FACT that you don't understand? You can't have it all. Of course, making a statement like this sends some people to the coronary ward.

We have anointed teachers as some sort of saints who shouldn't be criticized for their hefty salaries and pensions. When a handful lose their jobs because of cut-backs, there are some who act as though the world has fallen off its axis. Yet, when my husband or I lose our jobs, no one bats an eye.

There are some of us in this world who do with what we have or can earn ourselves. But from your posts, it seems like this idea is completely off the table for you. KEEP the pay to play. Somewhere in history, these kids and their spoiled parents got the idea that they should be able to play sports and have someone else pay for it. Gee, how considerate.

At the end of the day, people do what they have to do to make it after high school. They go to college, or they go to work. If they have the drive, determination, smarts - they'll be just fine.

Have I made myself clear now, or are you still in a quandary?

Thomas Paine

You are correct on a lot of points. I disagree I dont want to find a solution to a very real funding problem. The endless new programs are being forced on districts from above and not being funded. More admin staff is for unecessary government paperwork. I agree with pay to play or club sports. If its not academic its shouldnt be funded. My other concern is if you rely completely on a local tax base with lower incomes to supply education we will fall behind. Education and access to it shouldnt be based on the areas income. You are right something has to give. The days of graduating high school and going straight to a job is increasingly difficult and somewhat a thing of the past so education and what we experienced as kids is going to be different on a global scale. Just like you I am a concerned citizen. I just happen to disagree with the path district voters are taking us down when I look around at other districts outside of Erie County.

Finn Finn

I disagree that the endless new programs are being FORCED on districts from above and not being funded. While some programs are in fact, mandated by the state, many programs / classes are not mandated, they're just there because, "well other schools offer this and that and the other thing, why should we be deprived?" The I'M ENTITLED TO EVERYTHING mentality as long as someone else pays for it. I also disagree that more administrative staff is necessary for government paperwork. You throw out these broad, all encompassing statements like they're fact, when it's really only RH/Thomas Paine saying it. You state in an earlier post, "I am always amazed at the amount of people who believe everything that appears online without looking for any kind of reference to where the information came from" yet you do EXACTLY the same thing. Throw it all out there. Hope something sticks; like, "education and access to it shouldn't be based on the areas income." It isn't. All children have the right and access to a public school education, no matter where they live.

You say that I'm right, something has to give. But from your post, it sounds like you are not really sincere when you say that. You always go back to the same old, let's pass this levy first then worry about other ways to fund the school.

You agree with pay to play sports. Why don't you use one of your hundreds of posts to say that? The District has stated, if the levy passes, some of that (HARD EARNED TAXPAYER) money will be used to reduce pay to play. If that's the case, then the District shows their priorities are all screwed up. Really, use the money it took them five tries to get to reduce pay to play? Really? It's like talking to the wall!

I don't buy your "oh, I agree", "I'm just like you",or "I disagree but let's work together" presentation on this board. If the idea is to appear sensible and not tainted by emotion, it's not working. Really, show more respect for our intelligence.

Thomas Paine

I have stated before don't believe me either. Look it up. Do the research. Find real sources. You have no idea who I am. I don't believe info from either side until I can see the unedited source material.

On Mandates: Signed by several Supers across the state. Would you like to comment that 17+ superintendents are either being untruthful or don't know what they are doing?From 2012 http://www.morningjournal.com/ge...

On Local Income : http://www.ed.gov/news/press-rel...

From 2012 http://www.dispatch.com/content/...

From 2007 http://www.ohiocoalition.org/lis...

http://usmayors.org/73rdAnnualMe...

http://www.ohioschoolboards.org/...

http://www.pressrepublican.com/0...

I can continue with more sources if you would like.

Where are your sources?

Finn Finn

Your "sources" are actually articles about school districts whining about mandates and having to make cuts to pay for them. I'm supposed to be impressed? I suggest the schools go to the taxpayer and find out how he or she has been making ends meet for the past decade. After reading these "sources" it's clear where you get your one-sided information. You are either being manipulative, or you really just don't see it.

Anyway, after seeing the election results, you and your alter ego Rherrle can take a break on this story for a while and then get back to work come August.

Thomas Paine

As far as pay to play I know I am not going to get everything I want. Its part of a compromise. As long as there is still some skin in the game for students playing athletics, I feel that no new mega buildings, a partial reversal of millage move, and lower millage for operations is well worth that compromise. The current levy seems to be a fair mixture of what most no voters want and the needs of the district. If you disagree with that that's fine. If you want more cuts that's ok too. Its your choice. It is hard to work together and iron out differences if one side consistently accuses the other of not being truthful and having an entitled attitude and refuses to accept facts from any professional in the education industry (including our own elected board). I am a public school grad, and the community supported my education. Now its my turn to do the same and give back. It is my civic duty to do that.

oldpirate

What will your inaction change? There are only three possible ends to this.
1.Pass the levy and move on.2. Wait till the state takes over and they will tell you how much more you pay or 3. which is the school disbands and you will pay more at a rate depending where you live and what district students are sent. All area districts pay a higher rate. If this levy puts the financial burden of putting you under, your problems are much greater than you realize. I support them all and yes I am retired. Everyone is on a fixed income, pay period to pay period, retired or not. This is costing ,you and me as well, more the longer it goes on. You choose to support what you want but realize you solve nothing. You will pay more. The only thing that remains to be determined is who you will pay.

oldpirate

Thomas I have made the prediction before that in the near future there will be a movement of consolidation. First will be for the schools then the community to follow to merge with Sandusky. In my opinion money will not fix Sandusky's issues and they will look to gain some positives from merging with Perkins Schools. City wise Sandusky is landlocked from any growth. They need to acquire Perkins to grow along with the fact they will gain a 1% tax from all the Perkins residents. I see this being discussed within the next two years.

Thomas Paine

I have no doubt that is where this is going. Without a viable school district Perkins has no identity. Sandusky schools has made some significant strides the last few years. If you look at their new plans for 5 years its very similar to what Perkins was attempting.

oldpirate

Watch it Finn somebody might call you a bully. From your general statements
I would make a haphazard prediction that your not the sharpest pencil in the box and are full of issues of where you have been wronged.

Ralph J.

Who are you calling a bully oldpirate? I found how you bullied that poor old widow who had no money left. You need to be reminded who the real bully is here.
http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...
PerkinsVoter
Tue, 02/19/2013 - 11:37am
I remember many years ago when band members would go door to door and sell things. The booster club can have a paper drive and collect aluminum cans for sports. Do the boosters still sell citrus fruit? Asking the voters for more money is easy. The hard part is raising funds by doing some work. I have to work for my money. Churches raise money by having bake sales and bingo. At one time I was able to save about 10 percent of my money for retirement. My retirement money goes to my checking account to pay for more taxes. Soon I will have no more savings to pay taxes and I will not be able to live in my house. First to go will be all of my possessions which are in my house. Next will be my house which will probably sell for about half of what the county says it is worth. The way things have been going for me and others, the schools will go after grave lots and put a tax on them. If that doesn't work, they will dig me up, sell my casket for scrap and use my body for fertilizer. I haven't made arrangements for my funeral yet because they are to expensive.
oldpirate
Tue, 02/19/2013 - 1:07pm
Perkins voter I can't imagine the state of our society if there were a majority of people as self centered as you. Your life would be perfect if you could just suck off of society without any of the responsibilities most feel we sacrifice for our community's better good. If you are as miserable as you let on, why not isolate yourself someplace where you answer to no one.
VOTE NO!! VOTE NO TO BULLIES!!

underthebridge

Terrible.

Finn Finn

Really. You thought this comment was adding something of importance to the issue?

FYI - "your" should be "you're". Clearly, YOU'RE not the sharpest pencil in the box. You might want to read up on sentence construction as well. Have a nice day.

Ralph J.

Who is the bully now Old Pirate?
VOTE NO!! VOTE NO TO BULLIES!!

Thomas Paine

Lets all vote no because we dislike what anonymous bloggers say! My question is how do you know what Perkinsvoter said is real? Why do all of you believe anonymous bloggers? And not believe heavily regulated audited financials prepared by professionals or reports prepared by educated professionals working in their field. Is it because its easier than doing the research? I am amazed by the CSI attitude of people. Not everything can be simplified into a neat package from beginning to end that is solved in 42 minutes without commercials. Who cares what anonymous bloggers say?

Ralph J.

Why do all of you believe anonymous bloggers?

Dr. Information

@TP. This is why blogs survive. Its easy to get on here behind a name and discredit anything with a simple "it isn't true" post. Do you know how many times people on this site have posted opinions as truth with no link or accountability for their statement. Happens nearly every minute on here.

This is why I think we should demand that the SR go to FB accounts to log in. Sure there may be a few fake accounts here and there but they can easily be banned and people will get tired of having to go through all the new email, new FB account, new SR account just to bully someone online.

Its amazing how intolerant most people are on here to people who want to vote yes.

Thomas Paine

Agreed. I am always amazed at the amount of people who believe everything that appears online without looking for any kind of reference to where the information came from. If there is a credible source behind the information I am willing to listen. It seems referenced information is taboo. Although there are many yes voters who have zero tolerance as well.

Ralph J.

Nobody is stopping a voter to vote yes or no. I posted a link about Old Pirate calling a widow self centered. Here is another alternative idea. Sometimes unpopular choices must be made. Merge.

http://www.morningjournal.com/ge...

Ralph J.

Why do all of you believe anonymous bloggers? Who cares what anonymous bloggers say? So said Thomas Paine. Is Thomas Paine a registered voter using that name?

Thomas Paine

I am also not asking you to believe me. I am asking you to look up facts from sources. Nobody else on here has remotely suggested the idea.

Ralph J.

VOTE NO!

Ralph J.

When was the last time that the Perkins Boosters had a citrus fruit sale? VOTE NO!!

Thomas Paine

Do you really want to fund a school district with oranges?

Ralph J.

So why was selling oranges discontinued? Easier to ask for more money from the public? The public has to work hours and weeks for their money. Where was the effort to make money for the school as was in the past? Every action to raise funds for the school helps. Was that stadium more important than the education for students? New campus with water fountain? Move back all of the operating funds. Get your priorities straight. Look at your tax bills from previous and how much went to the school. If your tax bill is less than before, send in the difference to the school. If your tax bill is more and you are paying more in taxes to the school, you are being forced to pay more to the school without a vote. Those who pay less should stop being hypocrites and pay more voluntarily instead of telling people how to spend their money or not spend on coffee or a pizza. VOTE NO!!

Doody

Why are you telling me to buy oranges? I have an allergy to oranges. Have you no compassion? I don't want to spend my hard earned money buying citrus. If you make me spend my money on citrus, you'll get nothing but blood oranges, Sir...nothing but blood oranges.

Ralph J.

Stick it TP!!

Dr. Information

You are either for or against it. No need to attack each other for having an opinion on why you wan to vote either way.

Thomas Paine

Agreed.

MrGadfly

Everyone please exercise your right to vote.

Vote as you wish on this levy but please vote. Don't squander this right. Don't take it for granted.

Have a great day.

Thomas Paine

Agreed please vote! Lets hope we have higher than a 40% turnout.

coasterfan

The surprising thing about all the above posts is that no one mentions the REASON the Perkins Schools - and MOST Ohio public schools needs money. Gov. Kasich severely cut state funding to public schools.

This had 2 results:

1. It pushed the burden of taxation from the state level to the local level. In order to keep our local school running, we have to make up the funding difference by paying higher local tax rates.

2. It allowed Kasich to say "I cut taxes". Yeah, you did, but you eviscerated something we Americans typically have valued: educating our young. So, either we pony up more $ locally to make up for the funding you denied, or our school cuts teachers and programs.

Makes sense, doesn't it? NOT. In a misguided effort to "make sure we don't pass on our debt to our children", he has presided over massive cuts to Education FOR those children. This is what we have come to expect from the anti-Education Republican Party, and Kasich doesn't disappoint his misguided followers.

A "Rainy Day" fund/surplus of millions of dollars now sits in the state's coffers in Columbus. Meanwhile, schools are hurting, and roads are in deplorable shape, and our Governor is patting himself on the back while denying Ohioans of basic services we have come to expect over the past century.

The man has done enough damage. Ohio deserves better.

oldpirate

Ralphie saw a post you made on the search for city leader. You stated that you had guests on Between the Lines. The term "0ur guest" implies some ownership. Is this really you Matt? Would hate to find out that the Register is placing comments trying to drive discussion in a effort to sell papers.

Keep Focused

"Ralph J.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 10:25am

City of Sandusky engineer Aaron Klein and Chief Planner Rebecca Corrigan were our guests on Between the Lines today. They talked about their jobs, where the city is currently and where they think the city is going in the future.

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

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